View Full Version : Adams County is limiting CCW applications.
What kind of horseshit is this? Adams County is now limiting the amount of applications they will accept during their sessions.
http://www.co.adams.co.us/sheriff/CHP/35%20CHP%20app%20limit%20012609.pdf
Also, I found a link that shows that Adams County won't accept certificates from training unless there was live fire. Anyone have any experience with this? My certificate just says that I passed, it doesn't say anything about having different portions of the class.
RCCrawler
04-16-2009, 16:01
Also, I found a link that shows that Adams County won't accept certificates from training unless there was live fire. Anyone have any experience with this? My certificate just says that I passed, it doesn't say anything about having different portions of the class.
They weren't requiring this in December.
I think it is an old link that they have on their site. They probably don't care, or just use it to deny people that they don't like. Thanks.
Here is the link, first highlighted portion.
http://www.co.adams.co.us/sheriff/CHP/InstructorsList.pdf
RCCrawler
04-16-2009, 16:49
Right, I saw that before I went in and turned my stuff in. On separate pages they have different info. They do not require shooting.
That is good to know. Thank you. Now if only I can find the list I made of all the places I've lived over the last ten years. Being a young renter sucks balls when someone asks you to list EVERY place you've ever lived. I don't even want to remember some of the places/people I've lived at or with.
Right, I saw that before I went in and turned my stuff in. On separate pages they have different info. They do not require shooting.
Jason, Yeah, I'm on here too - not on RCC much anymore....
Adams county HAD required range time for a long time.... If I remember correctly it was in the instructions they had with the application. I know I was required to when I did it a few years ago.
Did you have it? I'm wondering now, my wife wants to get her CCW now and I'm looking at instructors.
All-
If you are cool with the officer doing the leg work, you won't have problems. These guys have to deal with bottom feeders all day. If someone goes in looking like and acting like one, they are going to give them a hard time. A couple of my good friends are cops, if you could hear the stories they tell you would understand. I'd feel better if they walked around in body armor and .50 BMGs.
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Greg
StagLefty
09-03-2009, 15:21
I just had a shitty experience with them.Took everything they had required on their application and was told I needed a state issued birth certificate and a DD214 long form. When I asked where it asked for either one of those on the application she said "they're not on there,it's on the Sherrif's web page". Why isn't it on the app ? "I don't know I run into this frustration all the time" Gee you may be able to eliminate it by putting ALL that's required on the app. Decided the hell with it and went back to work !
So now they want a long form? Maybe I'll just wait till I move out of Adams County.
StagLefty
09-04-2009, 17:06
So now they want a long form? Maybe I'll just wait till I move out of Adams County.
I've checked several other counties since this happened and haven't found anyone else that requires those 2 documents. I thought this was a state run program,so there wouldn't be any confusion ? Except Denver of course ! What the hell does a birth certificate prove when your 63 ? It seems to me a CBI check and proof of training should be more than enough. I've been an NRA Instructor for 15 years. Sorry for the rant I just hate jumping through hoops for no reason.
That's irritating because I have issues with my birth certificate that I don't know how to fix. Oh well, I'll get to it some day.
Bailey Guns
09-05-2009, 08:12
See...instead of applying for a concealed permit you should have become president. No birth certificate required.
Aloha_Shooter
09-05-2009, 08:37
Submit your application to a sheriff in another county. It's a statewide permit but I believe processing was left to the county sheriffs and they were free to set their own procedures but you can also "shop" for a sheriff. El Paso County won't put you through all that garbage.
Bailey Guns
09-05-2009, 11:49
You can try "shopping around" for a sheriff to issue a permit to you, but it'll probably be a waste of time (though some might issue permits to those who reside outside their jurisdiction). You generally must submit the application to the sheriff in the county where you live, a county where you maintain a second home, a county where you rent/lease business property or to the sheriff who originally issued you the permit in cases of renewals.
18-12-205 is pretty specific about where to submit your application -
(2) (a) An applicant shall complete the permit application form and return it, in person, to the sheriff of the county or city and county in which the applicant resides, to the sheriff of the county or city and county in which the applicant maintains a secondary residence or owns or leases real property used by the applicant in a business, or to the sheriff that previously issued a permit to the applicant. The applicant shall sign the completed permit application form in person before the sheriff. The applicant shall provide his or her signature voluntarily upon a sworn oath that the applicant knows the contents of the permit application and that the information contained in the permit application is true and correct. An applicant who knowingly and intentionally makes a false or misleading statement on a permit application or deliberately omits any material information requested on the application commits perjury as described in section 18-8-503 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=18-8-503&sid=5ae26baf.54ec967d.0.0#JD_18-8-503). Upon conviction, the applicant shall be punished as provided in section 18-1.3-501 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=jump&iid=COCODE&d=18-1.3-501&sid=5ae26baf.54ec967d.0.0#JD_18-13-501). In addition, the applicant shall be denied the right to obtain or possess a permit, and the sheriff shall revoke the applicant's permit if issued prior to conviction.
Aloha_Shooter
09-05-2009, 17:36
Thanks for correcting me. I thought I had read you didn't have to use the county of residence but I obviously didn't remember all the conditions.
Bailey Guns
09-05-2009, 17:53
Didn't mean to come across as "correcting". Just meant to inform...sorry if I came across as a "know it all".
StagLefty
09-06-2009, 10:28
That's irritating because I have issues with my birth certificate that I don't know how to fix. Oh well, I'll get to it some day.
Yeah I just found out recently I may have some issue also and I need to get it fixed so I can file for SS in a few years.
StagLefty
09-06-2009, 10:29
See...instead of applying for a concealed permit you should have become president. No birth certificate required.
[ROFL1]
(2) (a) An applicant shall complete the permit application form and return it, in person, to the sheriff of the county or city and county in which the applicant resides, to the sheriff of the county or city and county in which the applicant maintains a secondary residence or owns or leases real property used by the applicant in a business, or to the sheriff that previously issued a permit to the applicant.
Hence my permit being issued in Jeffco as opposed to Adams(county of residence)....I'm usually in Jeffco during their business hours....
I think anyone who submitted an app w/o range time will get turned down. But that's my take on this. I did some searching while I was looking for form 4 info (silencer)...
Here's a link for you to read. It says on there that any course NOT including live fire training is considered inadequate.
http://www.co.adams.co.us/sheriff/CHP/InstructorsList.pdf
The limit on apps is 35 per application session, not a total per month or something like that. It is based on their ability to process apps in a timely manner. I know it took about 15 minutes when I did it, not including the wait to see the deputy.
AND, taken from the application.
• Documentary evidence demonstrating competence with a handgun as specified in section 18-12-203 (1)
(h) of the Colorado Revised Statute. (See TRAINING REQUIREMENTS SECTION for further details)
Training - copy/paste....
Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:
1. Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting
competitions or current military service,
2. Evidence that, at the time the application is submitted, the applicant is a certified instructor.
3. Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States Armed Forces within the
three years preceding submittal of the application, or
4. Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States Armed Forces that reflects
pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application,
5. A training certificate from a "handgun training class" (see definitions) obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application. The applicant shall submit the original training certificate or a photocopy thereof that includes the original signature of the class instructor.
In obtaining a training certificate from a handgun training class, the applicant shall have
discretion in selecting which handgun training class to complete.
I thought that about no live fire as well, but then a bunch of people came out of the wood work saying that they got their certs in Adams without live fire.
StagLefty
09-09-2009, 16:45
Another piece of info just like the birth certificate and DD214 long form that should be stated on the APPLICATION in case folks don't go to the Sheriff's web page.
StagLefty
09-10-2009, 14:39
Sounds like a violation of shall issue to me...
According to RMGO it is.
Aloha_Shooter
09-10-2009, 17:25
Didn't mean to come across as "correcting". Just meant to inform...sorry if I came across as a "know it all".
No problems, I'm glad my mistake was corrected. It's important that we have the right information out there, I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone inadvertently breaking the law.
GoldFinger
09-11-2009, 15:09
Found this on the Adam County Sheriff site - information packet:
The Adams County Sheriff's Office will not accept hunter safety certificates. We STRONGLY recommend training that includes actual live-ammunition range training. We also ask that you personally observe your chosen instructor's credentials, and obtain a copy to present to us, if requested.
Sounds optoinal to me. I just goy my CCW through Adams Count in June, they took 89 of the 90 days they have. My understanding is that they will take the full 90 days regardless of the number of permits they are looking at, they don't even take them to the office for sigining until the 88th day. Good luck.
I'm not even going to worry about if or not.... We are going to go through jim on here for her training. His class is taught AT the range all while going through the legal stuff and shooting..... I wouldn't even think about her not having range time, but, am still leery of all the poorly typed crap on Adams Co web page. Looks like they did that to confuse people. I also like their LIST of approved instructors. It's not legal IMO.... I bet Dudley would have a hay day with them if he ever called to complain....
MuzzleFlash
09-15-2009, 16:52
See...instead of applying for a concealed permit you should have become president. No birth certificate required.
Just say you were born in Hawaii. They'll cover it for you.
Dalendenver
10-31-2009, 21:15
Don't tell anyone but I am an attorney. Don't ask me to represent you, I only do legal and mechanic work for my kids (I was a Master Tech for 21 years).
I have read the statutes several times and if Adams county is requiring live shooting, birth certificate and/or DD214 or any other form they are violating both the spirit and the letter of the law. The statute is very clear on what is required, the application form is uniform throughout the state. The only required identification is a drivers license or state issued or military ID card.
Adams County does not require a live fire course. I've had numerous students get their permit, from Adams County, without it.
I have not confirmed the ID issue.
Mike
Adams County does not require a live fire course. I've had numerous students get their permit, from Adams County, without it.
I have not confirmed the ID issue.
Mike
Hey I took my class from a guy named Mike. Maybe it was you.
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