John Elway's Support for 2nd Amendment Rights in Colorado?

[james_bond_007]

Bottom Line: Has anyone approached John Elway and asked him to help support the Colorado 2nd A rights?

Often politics is a matter of popularity, rather than qualifications: EX: Politicians Clint Eastwood, Shirley Temple, Hulk Hogan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, etc.
Not to say that those individuals are/were not qualified, but rather to say it was more likely they achieved their political office by their celebrity rather than by their political merits.

Since Coloradans are almost as passionate about Broncos' football as Alabamans are about the University of Alabama (or Auburn) football program(s), I wondered how many people might change their attitude about guns if one of their football heroes was to speak out on behalf of gun owners and gun rights.

Looking through a few quotes, I found this from John Elway's Piers Morgan interview:

Morgan shifted to the topic of gun violence. He mentioned the Aurora theater shootings and asked Elway his views.
"I'm still kind of waiting to hear both sides of it," Elway said. "I'm a gun owner and I'm a hunter and I enjoy that and I respect the Second Amendment."
Morgan asked about people owning "military-style rifles that can pump out 100 bullets a minute."
"I don't own a machine gun," Elway replied. He said he didn't see a reason anyone would need one and said "that's the side I'm waiting to hear about." ***

To me, it seemed like he was holding back his real views and did not want to start scrapping with Piers Morgan. If you consider the line between Left and Right, he certainly was not on the Left side of it; he owns firearms so he's not straddling it; and if you ask me, he was posturing himself to be a bit on the Right side. It seemed like he just didn't want to come out and say "How Far" to the right he was standing on the issue during this interview.

So...

I wondered if anyone has approached John Elway to see if :
1) Would he perhaps help educate Coloradans about firearms (Tittle I vs Tittle II ; they look scary but are not; etc.)
Note: If John Elway was going to speak in public on a topic that a) did not interest you or b) to which you were opposed, you'd probably stop and listen anyway, and even NOT heckle him, because ....well he's "John Elway", your hero.
And if he's your hero, you'd want to be MORE LIKE HIM, even softening your views a bit to align more with his views.
Kind of an "If it's good enough for John, it's good enough for me" attitude.

2) Is he really an advocate ?
3) Given a less hostile forum than Piers Morgan, would he be interested in speaking out on behalf of 2nd A rights ?
4) What if John Elway showed up to the hearings next week, armed with a well written, succinct pro-gun speech ?
Wouldn't it be all over the news ?


The message might end up something like:
"If these bill are good enough for John Elway, they are good enough for me!"
"If you are anti-gun, you must be anti-Broncos"
...you get the drift.

We can speculate IF John Elway WOULD or WOULD NOT or WHY and WHY NOT take this position...but I wondered if anyone has taken the time and bothered to ASK him ?

Isn't it worth "a shot" (pun intended) ?
[Coffee]




***REF: Broncos' John Elway riffs on guns, politics and the Super Bowl with Piers Morgan - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22449809/broncos-john-elway-riffs-guns-politics-and-super#ixzz2skhiz2Pl) http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22449809/broncos-john-elway-riffs-guns-politics-and-super#ixzz2skhiz2Pl

[Great-Kazoo]

One obstacle is Politics. How does it affect his interactions with Bowlen, and other bronco investors.

[spleify]

Call him and ask if he will speak on behalf of the pro 2A community.... that will likely be your biggest obstacle, actually getting in touch with him.

[james_bond_007]

Call him and ask if he will speak on behalf of the pro 2A community.... that will likely be your biggest obstacle, actually getting in touch with him.

Maybe if we had an attractive 20-something year-old, busty, female member, that would do the trick ???

On the other hand, maybe some RMGO $$$ might start the conversation ?

or

We have a pretty diverse membership.
I'd be surprised if "someone" on here does not know him well enough to talk to him ?

[Great-Kazoo]

Maybe if we had an attractive 20-something year-old, busty, female member, that would do the trick ???

On the other hand, maybe some RMGO $$$ might start the conversation ?

or

We have a pretty diverse membership.
I'd be surprised if "someone" on here does not know him well enough to talk to him ?

DO NOT EVEN CONTEMPLATE INVOLVING RMGO AT ALL. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.

[blacklabel]

I don't see Elway taking RMGOs money anyways. I'm pretty sure money is has last problem and bad publicity is his first. I don't imagine he wants to become a political figure or pawn and would bow out of any attempt, hence the middle of the road answer he gave Morgan.

[mountainjenny]

DO NOT EVEN CONTEMPLATE INVOLVING RMGO AT ALL. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.

+1

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I wondered how many people might change their attitude about guns if one of their football heroes was to speak out on behalf of gun owners and gun rights.

Ask yourself this: If John Elway was a big gun hater, would it affect your opinion on guns? Broncos football? The man himself?
I'm assuming no, no, maybe.

I just don't see this being a huge revelation to folks. Who is still on the fence anyway?

[ChunkyMonkey]

When he was campaigning for Mitt, I had assumed that his stand on 2A is as flimsy as Mitts.

[spleify]

Ask yourself this: If John Elway was a big gun hater, would it affect your opinion on guns? Broncos football? The man himself?
I'm assuming no, no, maybe.

I just don't see this being a huge revelation to folks. Who is still on the fence anyway?

I definitely see your point but if you look at it as "we" are pro 2A because we are properly educated of the sport and enjoyment of legal gun ownership that maybe someone who is against it or "on the fence" may take a second look at the big picture if someone influential promotes it. Not to all, but certain celebrities have influence on groups of people.

With all of that being said I will agree with previous statements that I doubt Elway would want to take on another "project", I'm sure he has enough on his plate already.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I definitely see your point but if you look at it as "we" are pro 2A because we are properly educated of the sport and enjoyment of legal gun ownership that maybe someone who is against it or "on the fence" may take a second look at the big picture if someone influential promotes it. Not to all, but certain celebrities have influence on groups of people.

This is an interesting point. I might be too opinionated, or just different in how I form my own opinions.
If I need to know whether I should run a 4-3 or 3-4 defense, I'd be curious of his opinion.
Gun stuff? He's just as influential to me personally as Piers Morgan. Or Philip Seymour Hoffman. Or Tom Cruise. Or Richard Sherman and Pete Carroll.

But the interesting part is the bolded. If you are on the fence, or "a big anti" and suddenly it was John Elway who swayed you, do we want this person advocating for our side suddenly? Other than their simple vote, my initial reaction is not. I want the "we" you describe above. Although I do like that maybe they do re-evaluate, so [Dunno] …Maybe. But I want them to come to their own educated conclusion rather than blindly following someone else. Especially a celebrity.


With all of that being said I will agree with previous statements that I doubt Elway would want to take on another "project", I'm sure he has enough on his plate already.

Even if he didn't, he may just be sort of a Fudd who doesn't care all that much.
I enjoy shooting a lot.
If I were just silly wealthy, I might not shoot at all (or care at all) as I spend my life worthlessly chasing sportscars, exotic vacations, the perfect beer, etc, etc, etc.

[theGinsue]

"I don't own a machine gun," Elway replied.

"Machine gun"? He's already been indoctrinated against semi-auto's and "military style" firearms. Before he could possibly speak as a Pro-2A supporter, he'd need to be educated.


He said he didn't see a reason anyone would need one and said "that's the side I'm waiting to hear about." ***

He's also one of those people who thinks "want" isn't sufficient to meet the Second Amendment, it has to be a "need".

And as far as RMGO, they garner more negative publicity to our cause than they do for it. I recommend everyone stay as far away from them as you can.

[Rooskibar03]

Call him and ask if he will speak on behalf of the pro 2A community.... that will likely be your biggest obstacle, actually getting in touch with him.

I sold him two cars in the past when he was out of the dealership game. Have me his personal cell phone number, answered every time I called.

[stevelkinevil]

When I was still working at a local shooting range Elway came in and did some shooting. I got a picture with him, nice enough guy.

[Zundfolge]

Elway sounds like a FUDD to me ... I think he's more interested in selling cars and keeping the crony capitalist money flowing from the people's coffers into his team's bank account so I expect he'll side with whatever regime is in power in Denver but won't take positions on controversial issues.

So screw 'im.

[spleify]

But the interesting part is the bolded. If you are on the fence, or "a big anti" and suddenly it was John Elway who swayed you, do we want this person advocating for our side suddenly? Other than their simple vote, my initial reaction is not. I want the "we" you describe above. Although I do like that maybe they do re-evaluate, so [Dunno] …Maybe. But I want them to come to their own educated conclusion rather than blindly following someone else. Especially a celebrity.


Taking Elway out of the equation, or or any celebrity for that matter, you bring up a good point about educating someone and someone drawing their own educated conclusions. Perhaps that is why someone is "gun shy" (yes pun intended) because no one has educated them. This alone is the best part of me teaching students. When they come in and have a firearm and havnt even taken it out of the box yet because they are so scared of it, but after a few hours of "educating" and "training" they walk away with a whole new respect, perspective and an understanding of the firearm. So any time I can have the opportunity to talk to someone who is either scared of guns or plain against them I try and educate them of the joys of gun ownership, not discount their opinions or write them off, I'd like to think that education of safe , proper, responsible firearm handing is a positive thing and not negative.

Education is power and nothing is obvious to the uninformed.

JM2C

[KevDen2005]

DO NOT EVEN CONTEMPLATE INVOLVING RMGO AT ALL. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.

I'm about to derail the the thread...

But all I can say to your comment is...Not my chair, not my problem

And Yes, we should get in touch with Elway and see if he will speak on behalf of our beloved Colorado traditions.

[Geology Rocks]

Next time I see him I will ask. I will also ask Manning.

[BPTactical]

Nobody would take him seriously after the flaming turd called "Super Bowl" anyway.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm about to derail the the thread...

But all I can say to your comment is...Not my chair, not my problem

And Yes, we should get in touch with Elway and see if he will speak on behalf of our beloved Colorado traditions.

OUCH ;)

[Ah Pook]

I'm more concerned with what Barrel Man thinks. [Eek3]

[rondog]

I always figured Elway to be more interested in what's good for Elway.

And Hulk Hogan's a politician now?

[Ah Pook]

I always figured Elway to be more interested in what's good for Elway.

And Hulk Hogan's a politician now?
Jesse the Body did it... Vote Hulkstermania!!

[DavieD55]

Elway sounds like a FUDD to me ... I think he's more interested in selling cars and keeping the crony capitalist money flowing from the people's coffers into his team's bank account so I expect he'll side with whatever regime is in power in Denver but won't take positions on controversial issues.

So screw 'im.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can guarantee you with absolute certainty that the guy is not interested in the Constitution. The guy lives on a completely different planet than most honest hard working taxpaying everyday people. John Elway comes from the planet of prestige and privilege. He is the same kind of a$$hole that we already have way too many of in Congress.

[Great-Kazoo]

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can guarantee you with absolute certainty that the guy is not interested in the Constitution. The guy lives on a completely different planet than most honest hard working taxpaying everyday people. John Elway comes from the planet of prestige and privilege. He is the same kind of a$$hole that we already have way too many of in Congress.

Actually having met and been involved with a few things he was, in the mid 80's, i can say you are wrong. But that's another topic.

[hurley842002]

Actually having met and been involved with a few things he was, in the mid 80's, i can say you are wrong. But that's another topic.

I love when people "can guarantee things with absolute certainty", without knowing anything about the person.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I love when people "can guarantee things with absolute certainty", without knowing anything about the person.

I guarantee all of my guaranties.. That's a guaranty!


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[hurley842002]

I guarantee all of my guaranties.. That's a guaranty!


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Lol

[DavieD55]

I love when people "can guarantee things with absolute certainty", without knowing anything about the person.

You assume that I know nothing about him. Please enlighten me, what is it that I am missing about John Elway?

[hurley842002]

You assume that I know nothing about him. Please enlighten me, what is it that I am missing about John Elway?

Outside of his football career, and car dealerships, I know nothing about him, so sorry I cannot enlighten you. However if you are going to make such matter of fact, negative assessments about someone, you should at least back it up with some knowledge, an encounter, SOMETHING.....

[DavieD55]

Outside of his football career, and car dealerships, I know nothing about him, so sorry I cannot enlighten you. However if you are going to make such matter of fact, negative assessments about someone, you should at least back it up with some knowledge, an encounter, SOMETHING.....

That looks like more of an attack on me than it does a well thought out answer to my question.

[blacklabel]

That looks like more of an attack on me than it does a well thought out answer to my question.

Victim card, nice play.

Based on your statements about Elway with no reasoning for them, you just come off bitter. Include a reason for your statement about him and you sound knowledgeable.

Wait, did I just attack you?

[hurley842002]

That looks like more of an attack on me than it does a well thought out answer to my question.

LOL if you think that was an attack...... Well then I'm sorry for you little Davie...

Like I said, I cannot answer your question about Elway, as I don't know him on a personal level as I'm assuming you do, but all I can do is assume, because you won't give any info to back your accusations of Elway's horrible character.

[Great-Kazoo]

That looks like more of an attack on me than it does a well thought out answer to my question.

Actually it was a reasoned response to your question / statement. NOW, if you can provide even a smidgin of actual contact with John, other than "Well we purchased a car from his dealership"
I'm sure you'd have our rapt attention.

[Great-Kazoo]

Victim card, nice play.

Based on your statements about Elway with no reasoning for them, you just come off bitter. Include a reason for your statement about him and you sound knowledgeable.

Wait, did I just attack you?


I'm having a [panic]attack. bad enough someone with a name close to mine was banned. Now this shit.

[DavieD55]

My first post was out of line and I'll admit that, but I sure have my doubts about him. I guess we will learn more about where he stands on issues if he decides to become a contender in the political arena. I am sure he is one heck of a nice guy, but so are the many who consistently vote to take more of your money and liberty away from you.

[hurley842002]

My first post was out of line and I'll admit that, but I sure have my doubts about him. I guess we will learn more about where he stands on issues if he decides to become a contender in the political arena. I am sure he is one heck of a nice guy, but so are the many who consistently vote to take more of your money and liberty away from you.

:beer:

[Stone83]

Elway & our 2nd????
WHO CARES WHAT HE THINKS/VOTES/SUPPORTS!!??!?!

He has ONE job and that is to manage the Broncos

[battle_sight_zero]

ELWAY is a Fudd http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2552390

Any gun owner who questions my need and desire to own a so called assault rifle is just a plain hypocrite. Who cares what he thinks, he is not a good person and I hope he stays away from politics.

[hatidua]

ELWAY is a Fudd http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2552390........ I hope he stays away from politics.

-no joke!

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Taking Elway out of the equation, or or any celebrity for that matter, you bring up a good point about educating someone and someone drawing their own educated conclusions. Perhaps that is why someone is "gun shy" (yes pun intended) because no one has educated them. This alone is the best part of me teaching students. When they come in and have a firearm and havnt even taken it out of the box yet because they are so scared of it, but after a few hours of "educating" and "training" they walk away with a whole new respect, perspective and an understanding of the firearm. So any time I can have the opportunity to talk to someone who is either scared of guns or plain against them I try and educate them of the joys of gun ownership, not discount their opinions or write them off, I'd like to think that education of safe , proper, responsible firearm handing is a positive thing and not negative.

Education is power and nothing is obvious to the uninformed.

JM2C

This is a great point as well. I grew up in a huge fudd state. Tons of guns, ALL of them for hunting and I don't hunt. I knew NO ONE with a gun for recreational shooting beyond that, or for protection.
I was pro-2A as a concept, but it was really fun for me to move here and learn. :)