Gotta love health insurance

[brianakell]

Payment on new policy recieved, and confirmed by "provider" Jan 4th. Errors etc on policy. Been upgraded to "blue" multiple times. Have direct lines for 4 people. No one calls back, and voicemail boxes are full, so can't even leave messages. Next option, sit on the phone


all




day



long....

So far Im at 2 hours and 43minutes of hold, and very brief conversations. Not getting off the phone until I get my policy cards emailed over. But even just having a policy number sure would be novel.

When is the right time to use this [flamingo] anyway?

[brianakell]

After a month and a half, multiple calls, supervisors etc, and 3hours 28minutes on one call today... Just got told "one issue is there are no contracted doctors within 30 miles"

"There's nothing within 30 miles, at all, maybe a vet clinic."

"Well Im trying to see what we can do about that"

Wow, happy to take my money, but having a hard time issuing a policy because I dont live in a city, really? Wow, I guess nearly all of Wyoming is screwed! [LOL]

[Colorado_Outback]

Just wait, once you do get a policy you'll be treated guilty of insurance fraud until proven innocent when you submit a claim.

[brianakell]

Just wait, once you do get a policy you'll be treated guilty of insurance fraud until proven innocent when you submit a claim.

Oh I know. Fortunately, family rarely sees the doc.

Coming up on 4 hours.

oh, 3hr 58minutes, so close to 4hrs....
manager of the supervisor I was talking with requested he get of the phone and take care of other cases.

Promises a call back BEFORE 6pm tonight. And claims his personal voicemail box is not full either. Who wants to start a betting pool on those 2 statements?!

Im waiting on a yes or no. If a yes, I need policy cards today (doc is shutting office tomorrow, no ins #, means I pay, which means I wasnt insured)

[Colorado_Outback]

Me too, first time in a couple years I had to go in. Got an xray, some pills and a PT appt. United HC is convinced that my injury was the fault of someone else, car or work accident.. Today when I call them after work will be the 6th time ive had to contact them to try to get my claim approved, all the time being treated like a liar/criminal.

Insanity. is the only word to describe it.

Best of luck!

[mcjhr]

Sounds like its working perfectly! Wait until they add "do you own a firearm?" On your visit sheet....... :)

[Great-Kazoo]

I just knock on my agents door.

getting approval from an 800 Tank u berry much number, that's a different story. Have you asked for a mainland CSR?

[3beansalad]

and wait until you need a prescription for something... my asthma med used to be less than $25. Yesterday's refill: $59.01

Excellent.

40807

[hatidua]

M United HC is convinced that my injury was the fault of someone else, car or work accident.. Today when I call them after work will be the 6th time ive had to contact them to try to get my claim approved, all the time being treated like a liar/criminal.

-sounds a whole lot like dealing with Allstate after the September floods here in Boulder...our first claim in 22 years and they treated us like dirt.

[rbeau30]

Sounds like its working perfectly! Wait until they add "do you own a firearm?" On your visit sheet....... :)

Everyone knows the answwer to that one.

[Colorado_Outback]

HA. I lectured my sons DR about that the other day when he asked. Told him it was none of his business and got the beginning of a "Its a child safty issue.." speech.

When I cut him off and said "If its a child safety issue than why didn't you ask how I secure my household cleaners or if I have a hot tub?"

Blank stare.. Hahaha

[rbeau30]

When I cut him off and said "If its a child safety issue than why didn't you ask how I secure my household cleaners or if I have a hot tub?"



Exactly.
New thing at school now is when a kid is having a bad day the teacher send's the kid to the counselor's office and they get grilled about "is everything okay at home?" for 20 minutes.

[brianakell]

and wait until you need a prescription for something... my asthma med used to be less than $25. Yesterday's refill: $59.01

Excellent.

40807

Look north. :wink:

[Great-Kazoo]

Everyone knows the answwer to that one.

$10 says we will read someone's post a how would you answer that question thread

[Great-Kazoo]

Exactly.
New thing at school now is when a kid is having a bad day the teacher send's the kid to the counselor's office and they get grilled about "is everything okay at home?" for 20 minutes.


FWIW: IF your child answers ANYTHING but Good, you will be contacted by a school rep, social services and or a local LE. Not necessarily in that order.

[Irving]

-sounds a whole lot like dealing with Allstate after the September floods here in Boulder...our first claim in 22 years and they treated us like dirt.

Did you complain or give a bad survey?

[rbeau30]

FWIW: IF your child answers ANYTHING but Good, you will be contacted by a school rep, social services and or a local LE. Not necessarily in that order.

Yeah, Pretty soon the public schools will be "Obamajugend" training camps where they are used to spy in every household the children live or visit. If parents or any other adult in the household speaks ill of the current regime, they will get interrogated by the "School Counselor".


$10 says we will read someone's post a how would you answer that question thread

LOL, I won't be posting my opinion there that's for sure.

[3beansalad]

Yeah, Pretty soon the public schools will be "Obamajugend" training camps where they are used to spy in every household the children live or visit. If parents or any other adult in the household speaks ill of the current regime, they will get interrogated by the "School Counselor".

This reminds me, my kids' school district is trying to give every student an iPad. A silent monitoring device you bring into your home willingly, if the theories are to be believed.

Back to bitching about healthcare now.

[rbeau30]

I just recently switched to the health care system after spending 15 years with Tricare. I thought Tricare was bad. Sheesh.

[BPTactical]

HA. I lectured my sons DR about that the other day when he asked. Told him it was none of his business and got the beginning of a "Its a child safty issue.." speech.

When I cut him off and said "If its a child safety issue than why didn't you ask how I secure my household cleaners or if I have a hot tub?"

Blank stare.. Hahaha

Beautiful retort.

[rbeau30]

HA. I lectured my sons DR about that the other day when he asked. Told him it was none of his business and got the beginning of a "Its a child safty issue.." speech.

When I cut him off and said "If its a child safety issue than why didn't you ask how I secure my household cleaners or if I have a hot tub?"

Blank stare.. Hahaha


Wife said why didn't they ask you if you had outlet covers on all your outlets? Or if your medicine cabinet has locks on em?

Steak knives? you know that Knife block needs to be away from children. I think I would just leave all that stuff on the stupid questionnaire blank from now on. You want some information about my child's health? Look it up in his records!




http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/510721/resized_all-the-things-meme-generator-people-got-hurt-ban-all-the-things-b8a077.jpg

[Colorado_Outback]

Pretty sure I stole it from someone here but damn it felt good to use it. Just wish I could have walked out at that point.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

[Metalhed]

Health care costs went up for me
Kaiser went up $40 a pay period and the copays did too

The 1% cola I got this year, was eaten up by health care, I am $11 poorer each payperiod now

[rbeau30]

1300/month family coverage here.

[opie011]

1300/month family coverage here.

Yep $1000 here for wife, one child and me. Affordable my a$$! My uncle has a pre existing condition and since obamacare wont deny anyone, he had to go that route when he lost his job....all for the low low price of $1700/mo for just him.

[Rooskibar03]

1300/month family coverage here.

Same here, $1292, but the doesn't include the 200 per month for RX that effing Kaiser doesn't cover for the Mrs.

Oh and thats after the so called discount rate for no tobacco and company contribution.

Where the hell is my subsidy?

[Ridge]

I had an MRI done June 22nd last year. Every few weeks, my insurance company would send a letter asking me to detail my pre-existing conditions. I would comply, and a month later, I'd receive another request. I had my doctor's office reply, a month later, another. My doctor's office sent my entire medical history. A month later, another request. Repeat ad naseum for 7 months. Multiple times I'd call and ask for an update, be told to give it two weeks. Finally, I went to my company's HR department and asked them to get involved. 3 days later, they agree to pay out for the claim. 204 days after my appointment. And 4 months after I paid the entire thing myself (they billed my insurance $981, they billed me $1,911 when I agreed to pay it). As of now, I get to wait two weeks for a refund. In the meantime, I'm paying damn near criminal interest rates on the credit card balance that I had to use to cover the visit.

This past weekend, I had to re-enroll in my coverage. My current plan has been discontinued, so the only option was to get a plan that costs triple over my old plan. Let's hope they actually give a fuck about me if something happens this year.

[Bailey Guns]

I had an MRI done June 22nd last year. Every few weeks, my insurance company would send a letter asking me to detail my pre-existing conditions. I would comply, and a month later, I'd receive another request. I had my doctor's office reply, a month later, another. My doctor's office sent my entire medical history. A month later, another request. Repeat ad naseum for 7 months. Multiple times I'd call and ask for an update, be told to give it two weeks. Finally, I went to my company's HR department and asked them to get involved. 3 days later, they agree to pay out for the claim. 204 days after my appointment. And 4 months after I paid the entire thing myself (they billed my insurance $981, they billed me $1,911 when I agreed to pay it). As of now, I get to wait two weeks for a refund. In the meantime, I'm paying damn near criminal interest rates on the credit card balance that I had to use to cover the visit.

This past weekend, I had to re-enroll in my coverage. My current plan has been discontinued, so the only option was to get a plan that costs triple over my old plan. Let's hope they actually give a fuck about me if something happens this year.

Hmm...

Reminds me of this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115963-Devil-s-Advocate-What-is-wrong-with-the-ACA

[tmleadr03]

Hmm...

Reminds me of this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115963-Devil-s-Advocate-What-is-wrong-with-the-ACA

Hmmm... reminds me to ask if you understand what the phrase "Devils Advocate" means.

Because clearly most of this forum doesn't understand it at all.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I had an MRI done June 22nd last year. Every few weeks, my insurance company would send a letter asking me to detail my pre-existing conditions. I would comply, and a month later, I'd receive another request. I had my doctor's office reply, a month later, another. My doctor's office sent my entire medical history. A month later, another request. Repeat ad naseum for 7 months. Multiple times I'd call and ask for an update, be told to give it two weeks. Finally, I went to my company's HR department and asked them to get involved. 3 days later, they agree to pay out for the claim. 204 days after my appointment. And 4 months after I paid the entire thing myself (they billed my insurance $981, they billed me $1,911 when I agreed to pay it). As of now, I get to wait two weeks for a refund. In the meantime, I'm paying damn near criminal interest rates on the credit card balance that I had to use to cover the visit.

This past weekend, I had to re-enroll in my coverage. My current plan has been discontinued, so the only option was to get a plan that costs triple over my old plan. Let's hope they actually give a fuck about me if something happens this year.


Hmm...

Reminds me of this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115963-Devil-s-Advocate-What-is-wrong-with-the-ACA


I was JUST thinking, wasn't pony the biggest PPACA fan on this board?
There were more than just "devil's advocate" questions. I seem to recall him in defense several times.

[tmleadr03]

I was JUST thinking, wasn't pony the biggest PPACA fan on this board?
There were more than just "devil's advocate" questions. I seem to recall him in defense several times.

I recall this happening after he was personally attacked several times.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I recall this happening after he was personally attacked several times.

That may be the case, and while I don't think the personal attacks are productive in discussion, my personal opinion is that it no longer fits what the phrase "devil's advocate" means.
He was clearly defending the policy - I followed less the ad hominem defenses.


-This isn't a "told you so" or a delicious irony observation, either. It isn't schadenfreud - I'm sincerely disappointed for the people this hurts - even the cheerleaders.
I am curious how the opinion has held up over time and experience, though.

[tmleadr03]

That may be the case, and while I don't think the personal attacks are productive in discussion, my personal opinion is that it no longer fits what the phrase "devil's advocate" means.
He was clearly defending the policy - I followed less the ad hominem defenses.


-This isn't a "told you so" or a delicious irony observation, either. It isn't schadenfreud - I'm sincerely disappointed for the people this hurts - even the cheerleaders.
I am curious how the opinion has held up over time and experience, though.


Other people attacked him. I realize this is hard to comprehend but if you are attacked you respond. But that does not mean that just because you are attacked and you defend yourself you are actually defending the topic you were playing devils advocate for.


And lets be absolutely clear. You have NO CLUE what the phrase "Devils Advocate" means.

[Sharpienads]

Hmm...

Reminds me of this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115963-Devil-s-Advocate-What-is-wrong-with-the-ACA

First thing I thought of as well.


Hmmm... reminds me to ask if you understand what the phrase "Devils Advocate" means.

Because clearly most of this forum doesn't understand it at all.

Ha, yeah nice try.


That may be the case, and while I don't think the personal attacks are productive in discussion, my personal opinion is that it no longer fits what the phrase "devil's advocate" means.
He was clearly defending the policy - I followed less the ad hominem defenses.


-This isn't a "told you so" or a delicious irony observation, either. It isn't schadenfreud - I'm sincerely disappointed for the people this hurts - even the cheerleaders.
I am curious how the opinion has held up over time and experience, though.

I would feel bad for the cheerleaders if I thought it would actually be a wake up call. Sadly, I don't think it will.

[tmleadr03]

Ha, yeah nice try.

So tell me O Wise One. What does that phrase mean?

[Sharpienads]

So tell me O Wise One. What does that phrase mean?

You misunderstand. I'm saying Ridge wasn't playing devil's advocate as much as he would like you to believe, regardless of what the thread title is.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Other people attacked him. I realize this is hard to comprehend but if you are attacked you respond. But that does not mean that just because you are attacked and you defend yourself you are actually defending the topic you were playing devils advocate for.

And lets be absolutely clear. You have NO CLUE what the phrase "Devils Advocate" means.

Correct. I believe I made the distinction perfectly clear - he was defending the topic.

Your opinion: I have "no clue" what "the phrase 'Devils Advocate' [sic] means." And that's perfectly fine.
My opinion: He started with Devil's Advocate as a guise and moved right into actual defense over the course of several subsequent threads.



Edit: Or just ask him. You can attack my opinion because of your interpretation of what he says, or you can just ask him, "Ridge - were you actually for the PPACA in any form or were you truly setting up debate using Devil's Advocate as a position to initiate conversation?

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115963-Devil-s-Advocate-What-is-wrong-with-the-ACA?p=1344395&viewfull=1#post1344395 - We don't have to agree on this one. Sounds pretty clear there are at least one part of it he seems to like. Maybe that's what Devil's Advocate means to you, in which case we don't agree on what it means. ;)

[tmleadr03]

Correct. I believe I made the distinction perfectly clear - he was defending the topic.

Your opinion: I have "no clue" what "the phrase 'Devils Advocate' [sic] means." And that's perfectly fine.
My opinion: He started with Devil's Advocate as a guise and moved right into actual defense over the course of several subsequent threads.


LOL. I figured you would try to defend yourself but instead you come back and state blatantly that while you don't know what you are talking about you believe you are still correct.

And no, that is not opinion, that would clearly be fact.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

LOL. I figured you would try to defend yourself but instead you come back and state blatantly that while you don't know what you are talking about you believe you are still correct.

Check the edit afterthough, if you'd be so kind, and then explain exactly what I do not know. :)

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

You misunderstand. I'm saying Ridge wasn't playing devil's advocate as much as he would like you to believe, regardless of what the thread title is.

This is precisely what I am saying as well. $0.02


It has been pointed out recently I do not know what I am talking about, however.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I would feel bad for the cheerleaders if I thought it would actually be a wake up call. Sadly, I don't think it will.

That part is well taken - the part I feel bad about is all the waste and inefficiencies this creates. Regardless of what the various opinions on whether or not we should have it.
In other words, I feel bad because of the positive aspects of this discussion, I'm less concerned with the normative.

[tmleadr03]

Check the edit afterthough, if you'd be so kind, and then explain exactly what I do not know. :)

You do not know what the phrase devils advocate means. I have been very clear on that. So have you quite honestly.

And I have actually talked, in person, with Ridge on a regular basis.


One single point of favor in a 11000 page bill does not mean you are for the bill. I realize agreeing with one line in it makes it clear to YOU that he is completely for the entire bill.

[tmleadr03]

You misunderstand. I'm saying Ridge wasn't playing devil's advocate as much as he would like you to believe, regardless of what the thread title is.

I am saying he was playing devils advocate as much as he was saying. It isn't a belief.

[Bailey Guns]

"Devil's advocate" basically means that one is taking the opposing viewpoint, whether he/she agrees with that viewpoint or not, for the sake of discussion or debate.

I find it curious that the "devil's advocate" thread started out just that way, but over time the OP made it clear, like others have pointed out, that he was not, in fact, merely playing the devil's advocate. If I recall correctly he even made a statement to the effect that the "preexisting condition" part of O-care was one of the few things about O-care with which he agreed.

Now maybe I'm not clear in what he meant in his post above, but it sounds like the whole "preexisting" thing is taking a bite outta his ass...and his wallet. That's why I said what I said. You may not like it, tmleader, but that's what I meant. Apparently others thought it meant the same thing. The point behind my post was to be careful what you wish for.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

You do not know what the phrase devils advocate means. I have been very clear on that. So have you quite honestly.


Yeah, it is kind of weird, right?
I don't know it. And a couple of other people seem to be using the same working definition and assumptions.



Usually, when I find that I am the only one with a particular thought on something pretty common, I go back and double check all my assumptions on it.
But you shouldn't bother to do that. [Coffee] I'm sure you are right and everyone else is wrong.



One single point of favor in a 11000 page bill does not mean you are for the bill. I realize agreeing with one line in it makes it clear to YOU that he is completely for the entire bill.

This is not the realization I would have come to, personally.
It is one point I found in 3 minutes of looking.
There were several subsequent points he also liked, and that was brought up.

But I guess I'm using everyone else's definition of "Devil's Advocate."

[tmleadr03]

"Devil's advocate" basically means that one is taking the opposing viewpoint, whether he/she agrees with that viewpoint or not, for the sake of discussion or debate.

I find it curious that the "devil's advocate" thread started out just that way, but over time the OP made it clear, like others have pointed out, that he was not, in fact, merely playing the devil's advocate. If I recall correctly he even made a statement to the effect that the "preexisting condition" part of O-care was one of the few things about O-care with which he agreed.

Now maybe I'm not clear in what he meant in his post above, but it sounds like the whole "preexisting" thing is taking a bite outta his ass...and his wallet. That's why I said what I said. You may not like it, tmleader, but that's what I meant. Apparently others thought it meant the same thing. The point behind my post was to be careful what you wish for.

The pre-existing condition from his post was actually covered once the insurance company got its head out of its ass. Clearly stated in that post. Not certain how that applies to the other thread. Considering he probably had this insurance plan from before the ACA was active. But ok. I see how what you want is to have not a devils advocate, but a devil.

[tmleadr03]

Yeah, it is kind of weird, right?
I don't know it. And a couple of other people seem to be using the same working definition and assumptions.



Usually, when I find that I am the only one with a particular thought on something pretty common, I go back and double check all my assumptions on it.
But you shouldn't bother to do that. [Coffee] I'm sure you are right and everyone else is wrong.



This is not the realization I would have come to, personally.
It is one point I found in 3 minutes of looking.
There were several subsequent points he also liked, and that was brought up.

But I guess I'm using everyone else's definition of "Devil's Advocate."

How long is the bill? 11000 pages. There is probably some line or three in that thing that I would like. Doesn't mean I like or am for the bill.

[Bailey Guns]

If you'd stop being so arrogant for just a moment and try to understand what's being said rather than telling everyone else why they don't know what they're talking about it would be helpful.

He mentioned his premiums had tripled over his old plan. It sounded to me like that could've been due to the preexisting condition.

[tmleadr03]

If you'd stop being so arrogant for just a moment and try to understand what's being said rather than telling everyone else why they don't know what they're talking about it would be helpful.

He mentioned his premiums had tripled over his old plan. It sounded to me like that could've been due to the preexisting condition.


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/pot-kettle.jpg

[Bailey Guns]

Ah...the old "I know you are but what am I" excuse. Pee Wee Herman would be proud.

So why don't you give us your definition of "devil's advocate"? That might explain some things.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

How long is the bill? 11000 pages. There is probably some line or three in that thing that I would like. Doesn't mean I like or am for the bill.

I oppose this bill completely in 100% entirety.
Having said that, there is one major thing about it I do like which could easily be implemented without the bill.
That means I am still against it.

You are starting with the ad hominems, I am saying that my personal believe is that Ridge started the thread as a debate, but over several threads it became clear that while he may not like Obama, gun control, liberals, global warming, or the price of tea in China - he did, more or less, like the bill. Arguing for a position you truly believe in doesn't make you a Devil's Advocate or a contrarian for the sake of debate. It means you are standing up for your principles. That's admirable, but let's not call it something it isn't.

[Ridge]

That may be the case, and while I don't think the personal attacks are productive in discussion, my personal opinion is that it no longer fits what the phrase "devil's advocate" means.
He was clearly defending the policy - I followed less the ad hominem defenses.


-This isn't a "told you so" or a delicious irony observation, either. It isn't schadenfreud - I'm sincerely disappointed for the people this hurts - even the cheerleaders.
I am curious how the opinion has held up over time and experience, though.

Well that's just your opinion, man.

[Ridge]

"Devil's advocate" basically means that one is taking the opposing viewpoint, whether he/she agrees with that viewpoint or not, for the sake of discussion or debate.

I find it curious that the "devil's advocate" thread started out just that way, but over time the OP made it clear, like others have pointed out, that he was not, in fact, merely playing the devil's advocate. If I recall correctly he even made a statement to the effect that the "preexisting condition" part of O-care was one of the few things about O-care with which he agreed.

Now maybe I'm not clear in what he meant in his post above, but it sounds like the whole "preexisting" thing is taking a bite outta his ass...and his wallet. That's why I said what I said. You may not like it, tmleader, but that's what I meant. Apparently others thought it meant the same thing. The point behind my post was to be careful what you wish for.

Pre existing had nothing to do with it. My insurance was ignoring my responses to their requests, our at least failing to make it clear what they wanted. Probably trying to hold out until my plan changed and they could say it's no longer covered.

[tmleadr03]

Well that's just your opinion, man.

OFFS.

"Yeah, well....You know, that's just like your opinion, man."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I cannot tell you how that made me laugh and smile, points aside.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Well that's just your opinion, man.

Ridge, if you truly were never in favor of the PPACA, I am happy to stand corrected on my impressions of where you stood. Likewise, if you do like it, that matters not. I work for an insurer and know plenty in favor of it.

[Ridge]

In your opinion,I am in favor of it, since I do like the concept of a particular clause in it, even if I do hate everything else about it. My thread had been intended to foster a discussion about the program, yet it instantly turned into a bunch of hyper partisan bullshit.

[tmleadr03]

In your opinion,I am in favor of it, since I do like the concept of a particular clause in it, even if I do hate everything else about it. My thread had been intended to foster a discussion about the program, yet it instantly turned into a bunch of hyper partisan bullshit.


Lebowskipony. Your argument is invalid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7EYArRCvNU

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

In your opinion,I am in favor of it, since I do like the concept of a particular clause in it, even if I do hate everything else about it. My thread had been intended to foster a discussion about the program, yet it instantly turned into a bunch of hyper partisan bullshit.

OK, let's not be butt-hurt at me for the grudge of a discussion months back. I neither engaged in hyper-partisan nor personal attacks. Like I said, I'm happy to accept that at face value. It didn't read like that was the case at the time, however. I have no axe to grind here. $0.02

[Ridge]

I'm butt hurt about things you've said this morning. Never mind that thread.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Well, preparation H is said to be helpful.

[Ridge]

It feels good, on the whole.

[Colorado_Outback]

It feels good, on the hole.

FIFY :)

[Irving]

I'm butt hurt about things you've said this morning. Never mind that thread.
It's a good thing too, as being butt-hurt from that other thread would qualify as a pre-existing condition for sure.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

It's a good thing too, as being butt-hurt from that other thread would qualify as a pre-existing condition for sure.


I chuckled.

[Bailey Guns]

Pre existing had nothing to do with it. My insurance was ignoring my responses to their requests, our at least failing to make it clear what they wanted. Probably trying to hold out until my plan changed and they could say it's no longer covered.

Then I misunderstood what you wrote. I stand corrected.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

It's a good thing too, as being butt-hurt from that other thread would qualify as a pre-existing condition for sure.

And I still haven't let a penis enter into my mouth and haven't died in a fire.

No pre existing conditions for this guy.

[Bailey Guns]

And I still haven't let a penis enter into my mouth...

You say that like there's a chance it might happen...

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

You say that like there's a chance it might happen...

Not likely. Haha.

Not like there is anything wrong with that. Just not my style.