View Full Version : Sandy Hook back in the (alternative) news: Wolfgang Halbig investigates, gets threatened
sellersm
02-14-2014, 14:43
Seems like the guy's got some credible bona fide & is asking some valid questions (have to listen to the youtube interview)...
Article: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=15503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roDPt1WYYY
Wolfgang W. Halbig doesn’t believe anyone was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012, and he’s looking for some answers. So many answers, in fact, that he was paid a visit by some police investigators telling him to back off.Mr. Halbig isn’t your average “conspiracy theorist.” He’s worked in public education as a teacher, dean, assistant principal, principal of an alternative school and as the Director for School Safety and Security for the Seminole County Public Schools, a school district of approximately 65,000 students.A former Florida State Trooper and United States Customs Inspector, Mr. Halbig was invited by the U.S. Department of Justice to train over 3,500 school police officers, school superintendents and school principals. He travels the country providing presentations and keynotes to a variety of school board associations and conferences and is a nationally-recognized school safety and security expert and consultant, who has provided safety training and school assessments for more than 4,000 school districts nationwide.
spqrzilla
02-14-2014, 15:27
[facepalm]
Sorry. I don't buy anything he's selling.
Kraven251
02-14-2014, 17:20
I think this guy belongs in the "gives us a bad name" thread.
He's asking important questions--long listen but they are good questions. Compare and contrast with the way Columbine was handled.
JeffCo released as much as they could and, despite the criticism, helped the community understand what happened. The school was repaired with a new library. There were memorials. There were conversations.
SH was bulldozed. Records are sealed. No one is allowed to ask questions. And CT LE is going outside the state to intimidate people into silence.
I find that interesting... It could just be they want to spare the parents the pain of having all this info out the open. I get that and respect it. But this event was also used to infringe upon the rights of 320M other people who aren't allowed to understand what happened or ask questions.
trlcavscout
02-14-2014, 17:49
Nothing credible or consistent has come from the whole story, why discredit him? I don't get into any conspiracies or believe hardly anything but something stinks to high heavens in CT besides the state gobment. Parents laughing at press conferences, conflicting videos and 911 tapes, conflicting coroner reports, the handling of or lack their of information. Even the guy credited with hiding kids in his driveway was later proven to be out of town at the time. Smells like Obama.
Good to see someone questioning.
This guy's tin foil is cutting off circulation to his brain. Oh, hold on.....maybe I'll reserve judgement until the NFL answers his questions.
Really???
ANADRILL
02-15-2014, 07:50
So Sandy Hook was an inside job?
With the way the world is today, I am open to believing a lot of this stuff could be a possibility. The lies in the media, the lies from our government, the inside deals, secret programs that get exposed when they go wrong. The list goes on and on and on. Just how deep does this rabbit hole go?
HoneyBadger
02-15-2014, 09:35
Just how deep does this rabbit hole go?
You REALLY don't want to know...
[pileoshit]
One thing is certain: We, the general public, will NEVER know the full story of Sandy Hook, 911, the World Trade Center bombing, the Boston Marathon bombing, Aurora theater shooting, ad infinitum.
So Sandy Hook was an inside job?
We don't have to jump to conclusions just to be allowed to ask good questions. That's the trap that the PC Lib culture has set; you either follow their narrative or you are forced to own an alternative for which you are mocked.
Why can't we just ask good questions and demand honest answers? Maybe all of this can be explained. Maybe it can't. I don't know.
But if my rights have been taken from me because of it, shouldn't I know?
----
(No, I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but people had every right to ask questions and seek answers)
(No, I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but people had every right to ask questions and seek answers)
I don't think it was an inside job either, but there's a lot that remains unanswered, like how the Saudi royal family fit in, and how much the CIA knew ahead of time.
spqrzilla
02-15-2014, 12:42
http://zapatopi.net/afdb
How many people had to be involved in SH? If it were a hoax, that's a lot of mouths to keep shut.
I don't buy the whole story. Too many holes but to say it didn't happen...?
I'm not saying SOMETHING didn't happen at Sandy Hook, that probably killed a number of people. I'm just not at all certain that the story we've been told has anything to do with what actually occurred.
Zundfolge
02-15-2014, 14:48
I can't figure out what is worse. Kook conspiracy theorists? Or the automatic assumption that anyone espousing a conspiracy theory is a kook?
ZERO THEORY
02-15-2014, 15:19
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, nor am I a detractor of them. Just consider this: if you said 100 years ago that people would be systematically sterilized you'd get laughed at. If you said that people were going to be secretly infected with syphilis, you'd get eye rolls. If you said that the Philadelphia police would literally bomb an apartment complex to kill hippies, no one would take you seriously. But guess what? They all happened.
It's not inconceivable to me that false flags occur right here on US soil.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, nor am I a detractor of them. Just consider this: if you said 100 years ago that people would be systematically sterilized you'd get laughed at. If you said that people were going to be secretly infected with syphilis, you'd get eye rolls. If you said that the Philadelphia police would literally bomb an apartment complex to kill hippies, no one would take you seriously. But guess what? They all happened.
It's not inconceivable to me that false flags occur right here on US soil.
Add: deliberate infection of people in subways, radiologic experiments on unknowing subjects, giving smallpox infected blankets to indigenous people, etcetera. The government has done some truly horrible shit in the name of "the greater good", or through actual evil intent.
Big John
11-09-2014, 05:59
I'm just and average shooter. Nothing special. But I find it very hard to believe that the shooter was able to kill at will basically without anyone getting out. Zero injuries. Per the ME, some were shot 11 times. I personally do not think I could pull this off on my best day. I've read that his kill ratio was 96.xx%. I haven't vetted this info. But if it's true, I have to call the official narrative BS.
I've never heard of people not being ALLOWED to see their loved ones. I find it hard to believe that the shooter disfigured them all.
ZERO injured in triage area.
The school had better security after the event by far than it ever did before. Why pulverize without leaving a trace unless there was something to hide...
These are just a few of the many things that are wrong with this story. I've never been a tinfoil activist. But, if the story stinks, I'm not going to look the other way just so folks won't call me mean names.
While I have you guys dawning yer foil... I've always had a problem with THREE buildings falling into their own footprint.
The story stinks... Not saying someone didn't walk in and start killing kids, but it seems like they are hiding something...
As long as the guy is just asking questions, I see no problem with him.
Big John
11-09-2014, 07:44
The story stinks... Not saying someone didn't walk in and start killing kids, but it seems like they are hiding something...
As long as the guy is just asking questions, I see no problem with him.In the interest of full tinfoil disclosure... I don't think anyone died there that day.
HoneyBadger
11-09-2014, 08:41
Nice thread revival![zombie1]
In the interest of full tinfoil disclosure... I don't think anyone died there that day.
I've seen evidence to support the notion that at least some of the children that were proclaimed dead showed up in later photos and videos... Very strange indeed, especially when combined with some of the other established "facts" from that incident.
I also read a conspiracy theory a few weeks ago claiming that nuclear bombs are not a real thing -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just firebombed and our government, along with other nuclear powers, have just been using pretend nukes for strategic political posturing. Allegedly, all the photo/video/empirical evidence we have of nuke testing was all just fabricated.
There is a lot of garbage on the internet, and there isn't a perfect filter. Even Snopes has been proven to be wrong or intentionally hiding something several times before. Be sure to use your thinking cap. :)
[Sarcasm2]
I saw a movie about astronauts going to the moon, but it didn't really happen. The reason the federal budget is so big is they are still paying everyone not to talk.
I heard this national leader telling everyone that the Holocaust is a hoax. Why would anyone believe that?
Dinosaurs? Are you kidding me? Who ever saw one of those?
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For some things proof is not necessary. Those things are known by faith. I have faith in God. People require proof.
There are enough nut jobs out there there that would follow a scenario the gov cooked up. (hollywood)
philadelphia experiment
lockheed martin engineer talks about the real aliens on his deathbed
Edward Snowden
Big John
11-09-2014, 10:16
Nice thread revival![zombie1]
I've seen evidence to support the notion that at least some of the children that were proclaimed dead showed up in later photos and videos... Very strange indeed, especially when combined with some of the other established "facts" from that incident.
I also read a conspiracy theory a few weeks ago claiming that nuclear bombs are not a real thing -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just firebombed and our government, along with other nuclear powers, have just been using pretend nukes for strategic political posturing. Allegedly, all the photo/video/empirical evidence we have of nuke testing was all just fabricated.
There is a lot of garbage on the internet, and there isn't a perfect filter. Even Snopes has been proven to be wrong or intentionally hiding something several times before. Be sure to use your thinking cap. :)I'm trying my best to use the search before I post.
I've see a lot of things that beg questioning. What I haven't seen is anything that put's it to rest. When the official report came out, it offered more questions and contradictions to the official narrative and truly no answers.
hurley842002
11-09-2014, 10:22
I'm trying my best to use the search before I post.
I've see a lot of things that beg questioning. What I haven't seen is anything that put's it to rest. When the official report came out, it offered more questions and contradictions to the official narrative and truly no answers.
I appreciate you joining AND actively participating, not just using the forum for the trading post or other things.
Sometimes threads need to be revisited.
BushMasterBoy
11-09-2014, 10:26
philadelphia experiment
lockheed martin engineer talks about the real aliens on his deathbed
Edward Snowden
The aliens are real. We killed their president in the summer of 1963.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q0NjXqAy8M
Big John
11-09-2014, 10:37
I appreciate you joining AND actively participating, not just using the forum for the trading post or other things.
Sometimes threads need to be revisited.I'm certainly not here for any kind of agenda. Just looking to hang out and meet some good people. Thanks for noticing though[Beer]
HoneyBadger
11-09-2014, 12:04
I'm certainly not here for any kind of agenda. Just looking to hang out and meet some good people. Thanks for noticing though[Beer]
We appreciate it. And we appreciate that you are using the search function instead of starting 100 new threads about everything under the sun. [Beer]
I'm just and average shooter. Nothing special. But I find it very hard to believe that the shooter was able to kill at will basically without anyone getting out. Zero injuries. Per the ME, some were shot 11 times. I personally do not think I could pull this off on my best day. I've read that his kill ratio was 96.xx%. I haven't vetted this info. But if it's true, I have to call the official narrative BS.
I've never heard of people not being ALLOWED to see their loved ones. I find it hard to believe that the shooter disfigured them all.
ZERO injured in triage area.
The school had better security after the event by far than it ever did before. Why pulverize without leaving a trace unless there was something to hide...
These are just a few of the many things that are wrong with this story. I've never been a tinfoil activist. But, if the story stinks, I'm not going to look the other way just so folks won't call me mean names.
While I have you guys dawning yer foil... I've always had a problem with THREE buildings falling into their own footprint.
Pretty easy to keep people from escaping a classroom when there is only one door in or out, and the shooter is standing in it. The school didn't have better security after. It never reopened, and was bulldozed.
And on 9/11, the 3 buildings did not all fall in their own footprint. The North tower keeled over and fell onto multiple other buildings.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/September_17_20011.jpg
http://www.chizeng.com/nhd/images/damageextent2.png
http://www.globalsecurity.org/eye/images/wtc_010917-n-7479t-508.jpg
Big John
11-09-2014, 14:32
Sorry, but I call a 1xx story building falling into that small area it's own footprint. My eyes are blinded by foil though[tinhat]
KestrelBike
11-09-2014, 14:40
I'm not saying SOMETHING didn't happen at Sandy Hook, that probably killed a number of people. I'm just not at all certain that the story we've been told has anything to do with what actually occurred.
I think the question of what specific weapons were used (pistol vs AR vs shotgun) have a large potential to be lied about/covered-up. The murderer using a pistol or shotgun, not a big deal politically. Him using an AR = bonus points for dems.
Sorry, but I call a 1xx story building falling into that small area it's own footprint. My eyes are blinded by foil though[tinhat]
Gravity is a pretty powerful force on something with as much mass as a building of that size. It would take a wind with gusts approaching hundreds of miles per hour to even begin to change the course of a building collapse. I know I know, physics usually aren't the friend of the conspiracy theorist. There are a lot of question marks for me that surround both of these events but the way the buildings collapsed on 9/11 isn't one of them.
BPTactical
11-09-2014, 14:56
Did something happen that day at Shady Hook.
Yes.
What exactly happened we shall never know.
The preponderance of evidence does not support the official narrative IMO.
Too many "anomalies" to the story.
Every massacre has survivors.
We know this to be true, we all saw the kids marched out of the school that day.
Where are they now?
Think about it- after every mass shooting regardless if it is a school, business, military base, naval shipyard etc there are always the "Exclusive Interview with XXXXX shooting survivor" stories in the media.
Not on Shady Hook.
I understand the sentiment behind tearing down the school but why did the contractors have to sign confidentiality agreements? Surely the grotesque part of that day was long gone.
Personally I would be more interested in what they didn't see.
The "laughing parents" are quite curious as was the giddy coroner.
The CT police sequestering every bit of information on the incident?
Surely you would want to share information so measures can be taken to prevent another similar incident.
The narrative doesn't fit.
Links to laughing parents and giddy coroner?
Think about it- after every mass shooting regardless if it is a school, business, military base, naval shipyard etc there are always the "Exclusive Interview with XXXXX shooting survivor" stories in the media.
Not on Shady Hook.
Personally, I wouldn't want to have to have a six year old kid retell the brutal murder of all their friends, but here is one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9750471/Connecticut-school-shooting-six-year-old-stayed-alive-by-playing-dead.html
68Charger
11-09-2014, 16:24
Sorry, but I call a 1xx story building falling into that small area it's own footprint. My eyes are blinded by foil though[tinhat]
It also depends on the design of the buildings... The WTC towers were built with steel reinforced concrete pillars on the outside that gave them their strength...
Those same pillars helped to contain debris, etc during their collapse...
I'll entertain some conspiracy theories, but most if not all of the 9/11 theories are based on junk science
It also depends on the design of the buildings... The WTC towers were built with steel reinforced concrete pillars on the outside that gave them their strength...
Those same pillars helped to contain debris, etc during their collapse...
I'll entertain some conspiracy theories, but most if not all of the 9/11 theories are based on junk science
Exactly. It's not like a typical steel framework building. There was a concrete center column housing the elevators and stairways, and the metal exterior walls. Everything inside that was just trusses. No other support beams.
KestrelBike
11-09-2014, 17:39
Links to laughing parents and giddy coroner?
Laughing parent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEfn065PkCQ
Dunno anything about the coroner, but I do remember that there were hella-conflicting reports purportedly from the coroner or examiner immediately after the shooting. I'm not going to go look for links for those.
Big John
11-09-2014, 17:52
Did something happen that day at Shady Hook.
Yes.
What exactly happened we shall never know.
The preponderance of evidence does not support the official narrative IMO.
Too many "anomalies" to the story.
Every massacre has survivors.
We know this to be true, we all saw the kids marched out of the school that day.
Where are they now?
Think about it- after every mass shooting regardless if it is a school, business, military base, naval shipyard etc there are always the "Exclusive Interview with XXXXX shooting survivor" stories in the media.
Not on Shady Hook.
I understand the sentiment behind tearing down the school but why did the contractors have to sign confidentiality agreements? Surely the grotesque part of that day was long gone.
Personally I would be more interested in what they didn't see.
The "laughing parents" are quite curious as was the giddy coroner.
The CT police sequestering every bit of information on the incident?
Surely you would want to share information so measures can be taken to prevent another similar incident.
The narrative doesn't fit.This is the only photo I've ever seen of kids leaving the school.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Teacher-leading-students-away-from-Sandy-Hook.jpg
Big John
11-09-2014, 18:00
Laughing parent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEfn065PkCQ
Dunno anything about the coroner, but I do remember that there were hella-conflicting reports purportedly from the coroner or examiner immediately after the shooting. I'm not going to go look for links for those.Here is a short version of the coroner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3KYBS64R8
Here's the full press conference...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVLCSqoZYqY
Here is a short version of the coroner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3KYBS64R8
The uploader of this video has other great hits, like how Israel's Iron Dome is fake, the US using chemtrails to cause the drought in California, and that the James Foley beheading and Tucson shooting were fake, as well.
Hey kids that lived,,, "where are they now"???
For a future internet page.
It might snow tomorrow, it might be cold, depends.
StagLefty
11-09-2014, 18:58
It might snow tomorrow, it might be cold, depends.
"Depends" won't help with either snow or cold !
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I just remember the medical examiner saying zero exit wounds and I just couldn't buy that.
I just remember the medical examiner saying zero exit wounds and I just couldn't buy that.
Yeah well he wasn't scripted on that fact.
trlcavscout
11-09-2014, 19:16
I'm certainly not here for any kind of agenda. Just looking to hang out and meet some good people. Thanks for noticing though[Beer]
Whats your angle?
Big John
11-09-2014, 19:28
Whats your angle?Extreme vertical.
trlcavscout
11-09-2014, 19:38
Hahaha! You haven't been hanging out with the great kazoo huffing fumes over there have you?
Big John
11-09-2014, 19:40
Hahaha! You haven't been hanging out with the great kazoo huffing fumes over there have you?[NoEvil]
OtterbatHellcat
11-09-2014, 22:43
Hoax?
Big John is ACTUALLY Kazoo.
HoneyBadger
11-09-2014, 22:47
Hoax?
Big John is ACTUALLY Kazoo.
LOL!
HoneyBadger
11-10-2014, 22:58
Interesting bit: http://www.truthandaction.org/fbi-publishes-report-stating-nobody-died-sandy-hook/2/
It alleges that the FBI crime numbers didn't include the children at Sandy hook, so therefore, it must have been a hoax. ...Or something like that.
This appears to be a less-than-credible source linking to another less-than-credible source, but it does throw a bone to those who believe in a conspiracy.
GilpinGuy
11-10-2014, 23:20
How many people had to be involved in SH? If it were a hoax, that's a lot of mouths to keep shut.
I don't buy the whole story. Too many holes but to say it didn't happen...?
This is right on. Somebody involved would say "fuck it" and write a book or do some cable news interview and be instantly wealthy. The guy who supposedly killed Bin Laden just did. Or is that a conspiracy too? [Coffee]
Big John
11-11-2014, 06:15
This is right on. Somebody involved would say "fuck it" and write a book or do some cable news interview and be instantly wealthy. The guy who supposedly killed Bin Laden just did. Or is that a conspiracy too? [Coffee]^^This^^ is what makes it pretty easy to pull off. There are more holes in the story than tiny shreds of truth. Yet John Q. Public eats it up because they don't want to be deemed a tinfoil nut.
I sit and watch planes making tic tac toe patterns in our sky probably 3 out of 7 days a week. I've watched them fly a wheel spoke pattern into a storm that turned into a f'n gully washer. I watch these things turn into clouds. Yet, I'm a nut and those are simply ice crystals that are coming from a plane's exhaust. Too many people would have to be complicit if something nefarious were going on so it has to be on the up and up.
Chad4000
11-11-2014, 11:12
I remember watching the original coverage and hearing that there were two shooters. and that one came from the woods there. Watched it live.. now nothing on that...
yeah all a little crazy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMINqFGNr-w
[tinhat]
68Charger
11-11-2014, 11:36
This is right on. Somebody involved would say "fuck it" and write a book or do some cable news interview and be instantly wealthy. The guy who supposedly killed Bin Laden just did. Or is that a conspiracy too? [Coffee]
Wealth doesn't do you any good if you're wearing cement shoes in the East river....
HoneyBadger
11-11-2014, 12:10
What if there was a massive government conspiracy, conspiring to suggest massive conspiracy theories so people didn't see the bigger picture, that the government conspiracy was hiding within the suggested conspiracies, concealing the massive conspiracy which created the conspiracies? Blinding the public from seeing the big conspiracy by distracting us with smaller off the wall conspiracies so we don't see the big picture....
We're all in...
http://38.media.tumblr.com/e8ae048463507af11b6244ee9ff2fa2f/tumblr_monkj8gYH31rerzc4o1_400.gif
The matrix...
Somebody has been huffing too many chemtrails!
[ROFL1]
What if there was a massive government conspiracy, conspiring to suggest massive conspiracy theories so people didn't see the bigger picture, that the government conspiracy was hiding within the suggested conspiracies, concealing the massive conspiracy which created the conspiracies? Blinding the public from seeing the big conspiracy by distracting us with smaller off the wall conspiracies so we don't see the big picture....
What if conspiracy theorists were just generally people who's pattern-recognition center of the brain was overactive, causing them to see patterns and attribute motives where none existed?
68Charger
11-11-2014, 13:01
What if there was a massive government conspiracy, conspiring to suggest massive conspiracy theories so people didn't see the bigger picture, that the government conspiracy was hiding within the suggested conspiracies, concealing the massive conspiracy which created the conspiracies? Blinding the public from seeing the big conspiracy by distracting us with smaller off the wall conspiracies so we don't see the big picture....
We're all in...
http://38.media.tumblr.com/e8ae048463507af11b6244ee9ff2fa2f/tumblr_monkj8gYH31rerzc4o1_400.gif
The matrix...
Best explanation for Alex Jones.... you may have something there....[tinhat]
Big John
11-11-2014, 16:00
What if there was a massive government conspiracy, conspiring to suggest massive conspiracy theories so people didn't see the bigger picture, that the government conspiracy was hiding within the suggested conspiracies, concealing the massive conspiracy which created the conspiracies? Blinding the public from seeing the big conspiracy by distracting us with smaller off the wall conspiracies so we don't see the big picture....
We're all in...
http://38.media.tumblr.com/e8ae048463507af11b6244ee9ff2fa2f/tumblr_monkj8gYH31rerzc4o1_400.gif
The matrix...
Zactly! Only one of them would have this kind of knowledge of conspiracy theory protcol.[Eek1]
52179
Awww got to be all serious like. Man, I bet the 'man is paying you to cover up the massive conspiracy of conspiring conspiracies... Man.
That ammo ain't gonna pay for itself. :-D
On a side note: For those that don't know, I hate alex jones. I've always removed his links.
Thanks for doing this. Sometimes I find myself wondering if AJ isn't just an act put on by some on the left to discredit those who believe in America.
Then I snap out of it and remember that Jones' existence, as well as his audience, are much more easily explained by stupidity than conspiracy.
68Charger
11-11-2014, 16:39
On a side note: For those that don't know, I hate alex jones. I've always removed his links. I hope the government, in a massive conspiracy, gives him a fatal gonabuttsiphilaidscer. It would be fitting. I am the enemy of conspiracy theorists. Most of them anyway.
And that's how I feel about AJ, WND and many conspiracy blogs... I also know that's the way you feel- so that was the point of the joke... [Beer]
I do like the thought-provoking type of theories... but when they just keep pursuing in the face of conflicting evidence (and don't even change their narrative)... then I know they're full of [pileoshit]
I thought mentioning AJ or referencing him, on this site, was a bandable offense. [Sofa][Rock]
68Charger
11-11-2014, 19:54
I know chem pretty well, so I think super thermite's formula is actually ReTeArDs.
I see what you did there.. looks like some real nasty stuff!! Radioactive, Unstable, and just all around seems stupid to deal with. [Beer]
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