Snipers Hide being sued by Tactical Rifles.net [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

jerrymrc

02-15-2014, 22:43

Even bumped heads with main moderator over minor crap- his posts to me were a bit harsh . Haven't posted there in many years. Never that problem on this site, thank goodness.

I see we need to dial up the "asshole/god" complex for the staff so that many may feel at home like some other places. [LOL]

I will say that it seems like staff intervention around here has almost reached an all-time low. I guess many have found jobs these days. [Flower]

mcjhr

02-15-2014, 23:46

I see we need to dial up the "asshole/god" complex for the staff so that many may feel at home like some other places. [LOL]

I will say that it seems like staff intervention around here has almost reached an all-time low. I guess many have found jobs these days. [Flower]

Please no! :)

Maybe it is just a good breed of people?

theGinsue

02-16-2014, 00:00

Maybe it is just a good breed of people?

Naw, that can't be it.

Hound

02-16-2014, 01:29

I see we need to dial up the "asshole/god" complex for the staff so that many may feel at home like some other places. [LOL]

I will say that it seems like staff intervention around here has almost reached an all-time low. I guess many have found jobs these days. [Flower]

This forum does a good job. I appreciate the thankless work the mods do around here.

Jim B

02-16-2014, 01:53

I will say that it seems like staff intervention around here has almost reached an all-time low. I guess many have found jobs these days. [Flower]
Sounds like you've discovered a new leading economic indicator. [Beer]

TheBelly

02-16-2014, 08:12

Sod them- not a fan of that site. Joined there way back when they were just starting. My member number was low 3 digit . Fine for a bit but after a few years got fed up with rude members. Speak your peace and get crucified. Simple questions were ridiculed by those "pros". Even bumped heads with main moderator over minor crap- his posts to me were a bit harsh . Haven't posted there in many years. Never that problem on this site, thank goodness.

I can echo this sentiment.

When I first joined (snipers hide), I was posting in a topic that I felt strongly about. I knew I was right (how to actually measure your zero distance). What I was suggesting was a lot of work, yes, but it was a way to get something done without throwing technology at the problem, such as a laser range finder. That was met with instant heart burn coming from the sight owner. I just told him that we may have to agree to disagree on this topic. I then asked a professional (during instruction time) the same question... And guess what? I was right.

.I have a hard time getting over the whole, "it's my site so I can act like an ass but you can't." Attitude. True as that statement may be, I shows more about that guy than it does me.

They have a really neat classified section, along with their reloading and semi-auto shooting sections, is the only real reason I visit there.

TheBelly

02-16-2014, 08:24

What exactly are they suing them for?

I've never posted at SH but have perused it a bit.

Libel, slander, and (I don't know how) assault..

basically, TR built a rifle that the customer thought didn't live up to the price tag. The customer tried to resolve it with TR, but got a 'you don't know what you're talking about' response. Customer takes gun to another gunsmith. That gunsmith made a video of everything that he (the gunsmith) saw was wrong with the gun (the list was fairly extensive). Then the new gunsmith rebuilds the rifle and, according to the customer, it now shoots like a dream.

all of this is documented in posts on snipers hide, which is why they're getting thrown in the loop.

This same tactic has been fought and successfully defended by yelp and Angie's List.

bogie

02-16-2014, 08:52

Good info there but why bother with trying to get in a "discussion"?

Lawsuit = 'Merica

SA Friday

02-16-2014, 12:42

Libel, slander, and (I don't know how) assault..

basically, TR built a rifle that the customer thought didn't live up to the price tag. The customer tried to resolve it with TR, but got a 'you don't know what you're talking about' response. Customer takes gun to another gunsmith. That gunsmith made a video of everything that he (the gunsmith) saw was wrong with the gun (the list was fairly extensive). Then the new gunsmith rebuilds the rifle and, according to the customer, it now shoots like a dream.

all of this is documented in posts on snipers hide, which is why they're getting thrown in the loop.

This same tactic has been fought and successfully defended by yelp and Angie's List.
Do you have a link to this info? Sounds interesting. You just gotta watch a train wreck for the intrinsic entertainment value.

hatidua

02-16-2014, 12:46

Sod them- not a fan of that site.

Unfortunately, there's no single site that is tops in all things. While some personalities are abrasive (I'm on a fair number of ignore lists), in order to get the best info in every sector requires a bit of web surfing. SnipersHide (and Frank in particular) might rub some the wrong way but that site has a wealth of long range shooting info on it that isn't cohesively available in a lot of other places.

I'll confess to surfing the web rather widely in pursuit of varied views:

Disaster preps and insight: Louisianashooters.com -they had a front row seat for Katrina and the aftermath
NFA related: silencertalk.com / nfatalk.com
Gun Control (what the anti's have in store for us): Calguns.net - a look at what all those CA license tags in CO have designs on.
small bore specific: rimfirecentral.com

While I enjoy CO-AR, my keyboard wanders from time to time and SnipersHide, from what I've seen, isn't the devil.

SA Friday

02-16-2014, 13:00

Nevermind, I found it.

http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/137906-warning-%7E-tr-%7E-my-experience.html

Mick-Boy

02-16-2014, 13:05

Unfortunately, there's no single site that is tops in all things. While some personalities are abrasive (I'm on a fair number of ignore lists), in order to get the best info in every sector requires a bit of web surfing. SnipersHide (and Frank in particular) might rub some the wrong way but that site has a wealth of long range shooting info on it that isn't cohesively available in a lot of other places.

I'll confess to surfing the web rather widely in pursuit of varied views:

Disaster preps and insight: Louisianashooters.com -they had a front row seat for Katrina and the aftermath
NFA related: silencertalk.com / nfatalk.com
Gun Control (what the anti's have in store for us): Calguns.net - a look at what all those CA license tags in CO have designs on.
small bore specific: rimfirecentral.com

While I enjoy CO-AR, my keyboard wanders from time to time and SnipersHide, from what I've seen, isn't the devil.

You just have to be careful with the AAC bias on silencer talk but there's definitely a lot of good (and bad...) information scattered around the various forums.

hatidua

02-16-2014, 13:34

You just have to be careful with the AAC bias on silencer talk

-all too aware, sadly.

Each site seems to have their pet brand (there's a shrine to all things BCM on M4Carbine...and I only have BCM uppers but that's a prime example).

MarkCO

02-16-2014, 13:48

Yes, Frank can be like a bad combination of a prickly pear with diaper rash at times, but he does know long range stuff. That said, getting sued for voicing an opinion on a forum, really? There are like three of these now where companies have sued their customers for an opinion. I've heated up a few companies, most recently Froglube and Fireclean, for providing feedback on products. I literally had death threats when I posted the whole issue of lead in Glock barrels in the 1990s, and I have been deposed by a Glock attorney, but never sued by them, in fact I have kept them from getting sued several times. The problem becomes one of vetting on the interwebs...combined with the power of the forums to create or destroy sales, sometimes based on a 17 years olds experience from playing COD in mom's basement.

There is very young guy here in Colorado who was posting this and that about his "kit" on another forum and I happened to know who it was because he had used the site to PM me about shooting 3Gun. He was shooting 2 Hi-points and an 500 at a 3Gun match and wearing a war belt. I jokingly asked him if his STI, POF and M2 were all in the shop at the same time. He giggled, but I have not seen him since.

Mick-Boy

02-16-2014, 13:57

-all too aware, sadly.

Each site seems to have their pet brand (there's a shrine to all things BCM on M4Carbine...and I only have BCM uppers but that's a prime example).

Yep. And pet personalities. There are some forums that have members it's absolute anathema to disagree with. That's bad juju and unnecessarily stifles discussion IMHO but at the end of the day the site owners have the say.

Back on topic, I remember reading that thread when it was 3-4 pages long. I had no idea it turned into such a nut roll. Best of luck to Sniper's Hide.

hatidua

02-16-2014, 14:29

most recently Froglube

snake oil.

MarkCO

02-16-2014, 14:34

snake oil.

I will trade you 2 bottles of FL for each bottle of snake oil. [dig]

hatidua

02-16-2014, 14:37

Gave away my last bottle of snake oil last month, have fun with that stuff, I prefer Colgate. FrogLube is a joke.

MarkCO

02-16-2014, 14:45

Gave away my last bottle of snake oil last month, have fun with that stuff, I prefer Colgate. FrogLube is a joke.

Never bought any, but I did get a bottle at a match, ran it though a simple test protocol, threw the rest away. FrogLube has great marketing...

HoneyBadger

02-16-2014, 15:41

Never bought any, but I did get a bottle at a match, ran it though a simple test protocol, threw the rest away. FrogLube has great marketing...
Given the radical differences between their product and everything else out there, I think it was worth a try. [Dunno]

Either way, I hope TR eats the court costs (and their pride) on this one...

SA Friday

02-16-2014, 16:19

Money is better spent and you will get a very high end lubricant with a quart of synthetic motor oil.

Did anyone else watch the video on the previous link I posted? Dear baby Jesus I would be mad enough to road trip that dude. You can visually see the chamber was cut off-center. WTF? That was the one that really got me. Pretty is what you really pay for, and pretty bedding isn't that big a deal as long as it's solidly done, but the guy didn't have pillars in it and he bedded the action screws in with it??? No wonder people refuse to send it back to him to fix it. WOW….

blacklabel

02-16-2014, 17:17

Sounds like TR needs to get his smithing skills up to par rather than worrying about getting torched on a forum.

TheBelly

02-16-2014, 18:29

Money is better spent and you will get a very high end lubricant with a quart of synthetic motor oil.

this. I have a tube of froglube sitting on the shelf and its sitting right next to a tub of the paste. I haven't touched either since the first time I used it and my weapon jammed. D'oh!

back to your regularly scheduled thread....

jmg8550

02-16-2014, 19:16

TR needs to be put out of business. And magazine writers need to tell the truth about products they review.

TheBelly

02-16-2014, 19:25

spleify

02-16-2014, 19:46

Money is better spent and you will get a very high end lubricant with a quart of synthetic motor oil.

Thats all I've used for years!

Great-Kazoo

02-16-2014, 19:49

Thats all I've used for years!

1qt of syn 30W last almost forever.

spleify

02-16-2014, 19:50

Yeah it a great idea for a gun store or gun builder to admit they are going to sue a forum for things said. Yes, that was sarcasm.

Great way for lots of bad publicity for the store or builder. In a tight community like a gun community we get enough grief from the anti's without being attacked from "one of our own". Some people just gotta have drama in their lives though.

Jer

02-16-2014, 19:50

1qt of syn 30W last almost forever.
You just gotta shoot more.

spleify

02-16-2014, 19:51

1qt of syn 30W last almost forever.

Yes sir. And its so cheap compared to the name brand stuff they try and push out there as "Top quality, super duper, pooper luber".....

Great-Kazoo

02-16-2014, 19:54

Yes sir. And its so cheap compared to the name brand stuff they try and push out there as "Top quality, super duper, pooper luber".....

OOPER DOOPER

https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=H.5049057420446685&pid=15.1

cofi

02-16-2014, 20:21

1qt of syn 30W last almost forever.
I put a little atf in mine

MarkCO

02-16-2014, 20:29

I put a little atf in mine

I actually run a 50/50 mix of Synthetic Royal Purple 30 wt and ATF. If you like Mobil 1, you will like the 30 wt with ATF even better.

spqrzilla

02-17-2014, 00:14

There are people around on the Interwebs perfectly happy to ridicule those who threaten lawsuits for opinion commentary. And sometimes get the defendants some legal help. Like Ken White at Popehat.

Mick-Boy

02-17-2014, 00:31

Why am I suddenly having flashbacks of John Giduck and SOCNET?....

TheBelly

02-17-2014, 00:38

Why am I suddenly having flashbacks of John Giduck and SOCNET?....

Wow. Haven't thought of that in a while!

thebolt

02-17-2014, 11:59

What does lubrication have to do with this Tactical Rifles law suit?

Delfuego

02-17-2014, 12:26

What does lubrication have to do with this Tactical Rifles law suit?Sounds like their customers got f****d without any [sheepshagger]

Mick-Boy

02-22-2014, 04:56

Guns America has a write up about the suit posted. I've got to say, their arguments seem very emotion based and aren't too convincing to me (not that it matters a lick).

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/tacticalrifles-net-sues-the-snipers-hide-the-truth-about-internet-bullies/

MarkCO

02-22-2014, 10:25

Guns America has a write up about the suit posted. I've got to say, their arguments seem very emotion based and aren't too convincing to me (not that it matters a lick).

Um, have you ever met Paul Helinski (author of article)? I have nothing nice to say about him in any manner and avoid anything having to do with him or GunsAmerica. Even a little Google-fu and you will find out.

MrPrena

02-22-2014, 12:29

Member there since 2005, and I really enjoyed being a member there. I just don't have time to do long distance as often as before, so I drop by less than when I initially became a member. It was a very helpful forum. Hope everything gets squared.

XC700116

02-22-2014, 14:19

The comment on the invalid user ID screen shot is what put me over the edge of, "he's just trying to defend a sponsor" to He's actively Lying to defend his sponsor".

He's also actively doing EXACTLY what he is accusing Frank of doing and deleting any dissenting comment or anyone that even points out valid fact. I posted a comment pointing out that that "invalid user ID" thing is generated by nearly EVERY forum on the net when you have a syntax error in the login ID/password, and he didn't even have the stones to allow the post. It's truly pathetic and I've now added GA to my list of companies that can eat a dick.

Along with what I've found by goggling about that ass-hat, yeah, doesn't deserve my business or anyone else that I can persuade.