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Mista Bukit
04-20-2009, 07:55
Today is the anniversary of the columbine tragedy and the media will cover the story all day. I wish they would put as much effort in helping us remember the 9-11 tragedy.
The1andOnlyKC
04-20-2009, 09:41
Today is the anniversary of the columbine tragedy and the media will cover the story all day. I wish they would put as much effort in helping us remember the 9-11 tragedy.
Funny I said the exact same thing last night when we were watching the news. Funny no one forgets Columbine, but 9-11 we sure forget.
You know, it was tragic, it is in the past, the media is the ones making the 2 fuk'n idiot morons a "legend".
Get over it move on let the families remeber.
My dad in FL said they heard about it again. And why does the rest of the world need to be reminded?
The kids at the school now were in 2 Grade when it happened for Christ's sake.
Even one of the girls they interviewed said she would like it to be more private as she has moved on.
Media "why do we have copy cat shootings"
cause your dumb asses keep hyping/senstaionalizing this type of crime.
media " lets talk to the janitor that was at ths school at the time"
What a bunch of shit we have for news nowdays.
I do tend to agree with that statement..
I do have a slightly differant prespective on it,,, Up to the last couple of months, My sister lived across Pierce from Columbine..All four of My nephews Graduated from there,, though long before..And, I have a friend that has lived on the south side of Clement park, since 1998..
I hope I never head about Columbine again. NPR has been running Columbine stories all last week. Columbine is nothing but a tool for ratings and attention. No one actually gives a shit, they just say the stupid, "Never forget" so they can feel good amongst their equally stupid peers.
No one learned anything from Columbine, schools are still under law to be Clinton's Gun Free Victim Zones.
M2MG
HunterCO
04-20-2009, 11:43
No one learned anything from Columbine, schools are still under law to be Clinton's Gun Free Victim Zones.
M2MG
+10000
Back before are shall issue CCW law my permit was valid in a public school. I carried in the very grade school I started 1st grade to vote.......................The funny part was I never got this overwhelming urge to shoot the place up. I went to cast my vote nothing more, the only thing that changed was now I have to leave my gun in my car. I can only assume this is because they want more victims. More victims means they can scream louder for more gun control.
Jackass libs might as well put a neon sign on every school proclaiming we can out do columbine!![Rant1]
To continue to harp on the whole 9-11 thing would be an insult to the Islamic faith. [NoEvil]
Forgive and FORGET is the way of the liberal media!
I will remember the victims and ignore the politics and people using this tragedy for their own ends. I think the victims would have wanted it that way.
GhostRider
04-20-2009, 13:30
My wife knew one of the girls who died and her grandmother. She still wears a button pin on one jacket in the winter. but that is to remember her when she was happy not the event. I too with the press would let it go. We don't need any more copy cats.
AUSyTyIN
04-20-2009, 16:12
Strange, I see it as the other way around for most of the year. As a guy who was a student in the school at the time, I tend to notice the media attention. I knew 13 of the 15. Trust me, I am highly conflicted with the current gun ban politics, but I am a member on this site, so you can guess which way I lean towards...
I was a charter member of the "Heart of Columbine", an organization that was trying to reach out to other schools who went through similar experiences. That organization lost all of its funding shortly after 9-11. It has since withered and died
No one learned anything from Columbine
M2MG
I highly beg to differ. I would argue that there have been countless shootings prevented because of what was learned at Columbine. The main thing that has changed is that when a student cries out for help through demented writings, teachers, parents, counselors, and friends all take note and do what they can to put the student at ease. There have been countless acts that have been stopped in the planning stages. I can provide 400+ pages worth of proof if you really want to see it.
I do think that if some of the faculty had been carrying, that the loss of life wouldn't have been so great.
Here's a little known fact for you guys, did you know that the school police officer actually got off 3 shots at them shortly after the incident started? They were still outside the school, and he shot at them from 50+ yards away with his service pistol (sorry, I'm not sure what he was carrying). Unfortunately all of his shots missed.
My School Ninja wasn't armed. Why was yours?
AUSyTyIN
04-20-2009, 16:31
My School Ninja wasn't armed. Why was yours?
Dunno, never bother to ask him. I figured all police officers were armed though...was yours an actual cop, or just security?
Strange, I see it as the other way around for most of the year. As a guy who was a student in the school at the time, I tend to notice the media attention. I knew 13 of the 15. Trust me, I am highly conflicted with the current gun ban politics, but I am a member on this site, so you can guess which way I lean towards...
I was a charter member of the "Heart of Columbine", an organization that was trying to reach out to other schools who went through similar experiences. That organization lost all of its funding shortly after 9-11. It has since withered and died
I highly beg to differ. I would argue that there have been countless shootings prevented because of what was learned at Columbine. The main thing that has changed is that when a student cries out for help through demented writings, teachers, parents, counselors, and friends all take note and do what they can to put the student at ease. There have been countless acts that have been stopped in the planning stages. I can provide 400+ pages worth of proof if you really want to see it.
I do think that if some of the faculty had been carrying, that the loss of life wouldn't have been so great.
Here's a little known fact for you guys, did you know that the school police officer actually got off 3 shots at them shortly after the incident started? They were still outside the school, and he shot at them from 50+ yards away with his service pistol (sorry, I'm not sure what he was carrying). Unfortunately all of his shots missed.
I don't mind you quoting me and then challenging what I say. But have the guts to quote my entire statement and not chop it into bits so you change the subject. I know plenty of what happened at Columbine which I can not divulge for reasons that are none of your business.
Now if you want to challenge my obvious reference to how Federal Gun Free Zones have helped criminals shoot unarmed kids and adult it's game on.
M2MG
AUSyTyIN
04-20-2009, 16:50
I don't mind you quoting me and then challenging what I say. But have the guts to quote my entire statement and not chop it into bits so you change the subject. I know plenty of what happened at Columbine which I can not divulge for reasons that are none of your business.
Now if you want to challenge my obvious reference to how Federal Gun Free Zones have helped criminals shoot unarmed kids and adult it's game on.
M2MG
Sorry, I was taking what you said as two quasi-separate points. Things were learned from Columbine. But the gun free zones matter obviously hasn't been changed. I meant no offense, it was a misunderstanding, but when you said "nothing was learned" it did set me off a bit, because I know that there was a lot learned. But now I see what you were referring to.
San Yisdro CA,,Twin Towers NYC,,POW/MIA,,The Amish School in PA,,Oklahoma Federal Building OK,,Waco,,Ruby Ridge....
I hate Mondays...true story too...first school shooting I knew of,,her reason?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJi8UMuvuGU&feature=related
http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/mondays.asp
Well when I went to High school 100 years ago we had race riots and 3 people got shot 1 died, we never held a vigil every year and we moved on. No one complained that the guns just showed up and did the killing. Not much was ever talked about afterwards either. I don't remember any of my classmates becoming crazy over it. We didn't have weeks and years of media coverage. It happened they reported we moved on. And NO memorial.
People now days are all pussies, and have to be politiclly correct so I stil say fuk it and get on with life..
Hell the news said it was the blackest day in CO history,, BULL shit what about Sand Creek Massacre.....
I don't mind you quoting me and then challenging what I say. But have the guts to quote my entire statement and not chop it into bits so you change the subject.
People do this, so that they can highlight on the one part of what you said, that they are commenting on. It has nothing to do with guts.
No one learned anything from Columbine
M2MG
I would beg to differ also. This is the biggest event leading to the way police operate now. Before this, regular street cops were not taught how to deal with "active shooters" without SWAT being there. The SOP changed to instead of sitting around for 90+ minutes for the SWAT guys to suit up, you wait for the second or third officer to get there and get your ass in there, move methodical through the building, and eliminate the threat. Police training with the AR15 progressed so that regular street officers were now as educated as SWAT members 15 years ago. CQB and proper formations for movement were mastered, making cops the first responders that they had been hyped as for so long.
I was in HS at the time of the shootings, just down the road. While I attended I thought our SRO was kinda a goober... Now that im older, I have learned more respect for the SOB! I still see him every now and then, and have had a few chances to pick his brain. I have learned since then about his history as a SWAT cop, and how many subjects he is a master trainer at. That guy knew every little hiding spot in the school, and had 3 AR's and 3 shotguns in a safe in an undisclosed place in the school. He may have been everybodies best bud that attended that school, but he was prepared with the tools and knowledge to deal with a threat.
We Are All Columbine
That's the first thing you've said in years that I can agree with.. it was a tragedy.. should be mourned as such.. screw the media that plays on it for their own ends. It was a horrific event and much like 9/11 I remember where I was when it happened. We should all learn from the tragic events that led to this. As a parent it has influenced my parenting and the way I look at the world.
R.I.P.
Mista Bukit
04-20-2009, 20:22
All tragedies are a disaster to someone on a personal level but this just illustrates who the media and the current people in power consider friends and enemies or even worse who they are attempting to be friends and enemies with.
Enemies column
Inanimate objects such as guns and anybody that supports their 2nd amendment rights
American citizens that gather peacefully to voice their opinion on how they believe the government is being run
Our military that is trying to do a dirty job in spite of having their hand tied behind their back.
The US border patrol working under worse rules of engagment than the military
Any large company that dares to make a profit.
Fox news, talk radio and any body else that publicly disagrees with the current administration
Anybody that works hard and greedily wants to keep their earnings
Friends and want to be friends:
Any politician that votes the right (left) way, it doesn’t matter if they are criminals, crooked or just stupid
Castro, Chavez, Putin and any other communist leader that has expressed distain for the US
Achmadinajd and all of the of the other Muslum fanatics that want to impose sharia law world wide
Any other foreign leader that bashes the US to score political points to divert attention from their own failures as leaders
Illegal aliens who are over running us and bankrupting our system
Any left wing nut job spouting the “party line” that have no relation with reality such as the group that claimed 90% of the guns used in Mexico came from gun shows in the US
Any lazy person that believes that they are entitled to others passions for the simple reason they exist
Cop killers, terrorists and other criminals that are either voicing their frustration or just trying to make a living in this terrible country that never gave them a chance
Sorry for the rant, I could go on and on
[Rant1][Rant1][Rant1]
All tragedies are a disaster to someone on a personal level but this just illustrates who the media and the current people in power consider friends and enemies or even worse who they are attempting to be friends and enemies with.
Al Sharpton was in front of a classroom of 5th graders and asked them what a tragedy is? One little girl said if a bus load of children drove off a cliff, that was a tragedy.
Al said no that would be a great loss.
Another little girl said if a car crashed and a family was hurt or worse.
And Al said again with smuggness for knowing the answer. No little girl that would be an accident.
Then finally Little Johnny stood and said, "A tragedy would be if Al Sharpton's plane crashed killing him."
Al Sharpton said yes that's right. That is a tragedy... but can you tell me why?
Little Johnny said, "Its a tragedy because its not an accident and it's no great loss."
[ROFL2]
A re-dramatization is on the History Channel right now.
Idiot newsreaders on the local beat I can understand (but not for a week beforehand) national reporting is just the usual shameless chase for ratings and currying favor with like-minded peers.
A few links for yall:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1724377020080117
those two kids that did columbine were nuts, but somehow I don't think it would have ever happened if they hadn't been bullied so much.
theGinsue
04-20-2009, 23:05
I might be inclined to agree with you if they hadnt gone after everything that moved - including many of those that thought were their friends.
those two kids that did columbine were nuts, but somehow I don't think it would have ever happened if they hadn't been bullied so much.
Well, I was bullied a lot in 3rd grade,,, And I never felt the need to shoot up the school..
those two kids that did columbine were nuts, but somehow I don't think it would have ever happened if they hadn't been bullied so much.
Yes and no. Yeah, they were bullied, but ALOT of kids are, and 99.9999999 percent dont go off the deep end like that. You could place the blame on the parents and administraters by saying that "they should have seen it coming and gotten them help" but that would be a cop out. Kids are bullied every day, and alot in worse degrees than these 2 were. these 2 had no respect for humanity, and were over the deep end for reasons that we cant fathom(because if you could, i would be scared of you). They took out whatever aggression they had on whoever was around. If they had been out of high school and in the work force, this would have happened at their jobs.
I was bullied like a MOFO in high school, just right down the road from them. I was a heavy metal kid, spoke my mind, and wasnt afraid of other peoples opinions. That made me a target for all the "popular" kids in high school. I was called all sorts of names, made fun of, and all that jazz because i was different, and I never went over the edge. These kids were just fucked in the head, and thats nobodies fault but there own.
AUSyTyIN
04-21-2009, 08:35
Yes, they were bullied, but so was everyone. Hell, I was on the wrestling and lacrosse team (so most would consider me a jock, even though I wasn't) and I was bullied all the same.
Did anyone watch the re-dramitization? I'm pretty sure Eric's state of mind was the primary cause, and Dylan was more or less just going along with it. At least that's what I want to believe.
HunterCO
04-21-2009, 11:06
I guess nobody ever got bullied untill the 90's funny how back in the day kids carried knifes, guns and everything else to school and we never had school shootings.
Hell I had guns in my car a buck 110 knife on my hip at all times and we sure didn't have any school shootings or stabings.
Now a kid gets expelled for a butter knife in his lunch box and we have massacres. A kid gets in a good ol fashion fist fight he is expelled all I got was a meeting with the principle and my parents. Now they call the cops destroy their life with felony charges and exppulsion.
In the end what made me who I am is life experience I got bullied, I bullied others, I kicked some ass, I got my ass kicked. Columbine was created by liberal BS history has proven that.
Hear Hear H CO...
we hunted with our principal after school for quail and doves.
And like I said we had riots, and fights were at least every week (fights not riots), there was no cops to intimidate you and you did time in detetion with the dude you fought with.
And yes we bullied and were bullied.
I know our parents were alot different then. You got you ass kicked even in High shool if you screwed up. Now they reward the kids with cars and ipods, and all that shit. we had JOBS, and Chores,, if we wanted a car well Dad handed you the paper and said here I helped by circling some good work for you. then I will drive you to where YOU can buy a car. I paid my insurance, upkeep and gas.
I played football, wrestling, track, weightlifting team, and went to work every afternoon and saturdays. Didn't really have much time for trouble.
Parents always knew what you were up to no matter what... LOL,,, ESP I think they had.
The media just needs ratings and maybe the anti's have a hand in it as I saw today that there was a gathering on the capital to remember the fallen with a cry for MORE STRICKTER GUN LAWS.
AUSyTyIN
04-21-2009, 12:54
If you two ^ don't mind me asking, when did you graduate? Just curious.
Dunno, never bother to ask him. I figured all police officers were armed though...was yours an actual cop, or just security?
Ours wasn't. But they did have to bring in a bodyguard for him... Seems He got beat up a lot...
Oh, I graduated in '81...
Yes, they were bullied, but so was everyone. Hell, I was on the wrestling and lacrosse team (so most would consider me a jock, even though I wasn't) and I was bullied all the same.
Did anyone watch the re-dramitization? I'm pretty sure Eric's state of mind was the primary cause, and Dylan was more or less just going along with it. At least that's what I want to believe.
I watched it but I couldn't pick up on what was real and what was faked for effect. Since the History Channel spends most of its time talking about Jesus, UFO's and Monsters individually and sometimes a combination of the 3 like "Were there UFO's in the Bible?" And the occasional Global Warming show where they start out with:
1) CO2 coming from cars.
2) Something happens
3) The temperature is rising or falling causeing global warming or cooling.
4) The only way to stop it is by going green and driving a Hybrid. And its all because of step 2 and they don't really elaberate on that opinion very much. So it leads me to assume that the History Channel is being run by the same libtards that run the other media. I have a hard time buying it.
But I digress...
But I don't give them any slack for saying they were bullied either. There are millions of kids that are bullied and never shoot up the place. I knew of one kid that might have shot up the school because he was bullied but he never did. He was to much of a coward to even defend himself physically.
Its as easy to blame the movies that they watched about the same time too. But that didn't make them do it. Clinton was in office at that time and all the BS laws that put out made we wonder why more people didn't snap.
But there is one thing that can be avoided to prevent future crazy's from acting out like this, and that is the media not giving attention to pukes like these. There could be as little of reason that some people shoot up a school as they wanted media attention. The Virginia Tech guy sent out videos to the news so they would "know" his side of it. Good thing for them they don't care about what's really going on and just showed stills of him holding his gun and a few sound byte rants. But they still didn't shut up for weeks about it. Not when they could have blamed the gun and where he bought it and some of the accessories. No Egay doesn't carry any gun parts. The only thing that will do is stop ebay from being sued for the next shooting it won't stop the next one.
Deterance, its an ugly idea for schools. Arming teachers is something I don't think is a good idea because teachers are liberal missionaries that are just sent to corrupt our youth IMHO. And giving them a way to protect themselves goes against everything they stand for. But a dererant like having teachers armed in general would be enough to prevent a student from thinking a school is a unarmed shooting gallery. Gun Free Zone does not have the same warm and fuzzy feeling for me as it does the the dumbshits that thought of it. It says to me that the Constitution has been suspended here and in all the houses within a thousand feet of here. It also says that if your an idiot criminal there is very little reason for you to not pick this place to shoot up. Nobody just going about their day is going risk breaking this rule and the place is unarmed and helpless. If you have a suicidal criminal that isn't to worried about the punishment at all. In fact you will get to show them all. You get your picture on the news and everything. But if there is as good a chance your going to be shot before you get to pull off your plan it doesn't look so appealing anymore. I would say that some of the houses surrounding a school might have police or capable citzens that could help in few minutes it takes STHF before the cops get there to clean up the place. I know of parents that normally sane people ready to get their hunting rifles or what nots out and go to the school to protect their kids. They wouldn't wait three hours to go in either.
But it didn't have to go as bad as it did. And it shouldn't happen again. The copy cats that are doing the same exact thing over and over again and all they can say to stop it is to ban all guns. The pukes that do this even have the same MO.
It seems crazy to go after law abidding gun owners for Columbine and other shootings in general. And it seems criminal and lower than anything to use the people killed to those ends.
GunTroll
04-21-2009, 14:33
+10000
I can only assume this is because they want more victims. More victims means they can scream louder for more gun control.
Jackass libs might as well put a neon sign on every school proclaiming we can out do columbine!![Rant1]
I couldn't have said it better!
theGinsue
04-21-2009, 17:38
I was bullied all through school (Through my sophmore year I was the shortest kid in my school - and finally grew to 6' but still graduated @ just 138lbs). Because of my size I was a perfect target. Couple this with the fact that my dad had a 100% NO FIGHTING policy - in that he included standing up and protecting myself. If he ever found out I'd been fighting, I got my butt kicked @ home next.
Once, I even got my wrist broken by a bully. The same guy came after me a month after I got my cast off and I whipped his butt. That afternoon 3 of his linebacker sized friends came and reminded me of my place in the food chain. My dad never found out!
After HS I was away from my family for 3 months to watch my late grandparents property and I really worked out and bulked up (you can really put on some mass by eating well and bucking hay all summer). From that point forward I swore I'd NEVER be a victim again if I could help it - and I haven't been!
All my life I had access to guns and I NEVER considered using one to exact revenge or even the odds. Those who react that way have deeper seated issues and need help beyond just protection from the bullies.
I am NOT in favor of the ridiculous "Zero Tolerance Policy" that exists in schools these days - common sense must prevail but, sadly, it gets checked at the door and some bullying still continues. I do agree that the schools have many programs in place that can help stave off bullying but they can still improve how they handle most of these situations.
We've got a long way to go and I'm afraid we're headed in the wrong direction.
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