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lowbeyond
02-18-2014, 20:00
http://www.stripes.com/news/army/soldiers-don-fake-belly-breasts-to-better-understand-pregnant-troops-exercise-concerns-1.168786

Maybe im getting trolled here by a satire site...Am i ?


Soldiers don fake belly, breasts to better understand pregnant troops' exercise concerns

Soldiers don 'pregnancy simulators'
By Seth Robson
Stars and Stripes


Published: February 16, 2012



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Sgt. Michael Braden, 29, of Everett, Wash., wears an "empathy belly" pregnancy simulator at Camp Zama on Feb. 14, 2012.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkygJFFvobs

CAMP ZAMA, Japan – The Army is ordering its hardened combat veterans to wear fake breasts and empathy bellies so they can better understand how pregnant soldiers feel during physical training.

This week, 14 noncommissioned officers at Camp Zama took turns wearing the “pregnancy simulators” as they stretched, twisted and exercised during a three-day class that teaches them to serve as fitness instructors for pregnant soldiers and new mothers.

Army enlisted leaders all over the world are being ordered to take the Pregnancy Postpartum Physical Training Exercise Leaders Course, or PPPT, according to U.S. Army Medical Activity Japan health promotion educator Jana York.

Developed by the Army in 2008, the course includes aerobics classes, pool sessions and classroom studies on the physiology of pregnant women. The NCOs learn special exercises for pregnant women, who shouldn’t push themselves too hard or participate in high-impact activities such as snowboarding, bungee jumping or horse riding, York said.

During the training, each NCO must wear the pregnancy simulator for at least an hour.

“When they first come in, the males are typically timid and don’t feel they have the knowledge to teach female soldiers,” she said. “However, after three days their confidence rises.”

Sgt. Michael Braden, a helicopter crew chief who has served in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kosovo, said he was less than enthusiastic about taking part.

“I didn’t want to do it,” said Braden, 29, of Everett, Wash.

The 78th Aviation Battalion mechanic said he was ordered to do the training even though he doesn’t have any female soldiers in his unit and doesn’t see himself as the right sort of person to run the aerobics classes that make up a large portion of the PPPT training.

Despite his misgivings, Braden strapped on the empathy belly and spent Tuesday morning learning low-impact aerobics moves like the “grapevine” and the “V-step.”

“This whole thing is pretty uncomfortable,” he said of the 25-pound pregnancy simulator. But, “body armor is a lot heavier.”

Braden said he didn’t know there was such a thing as physical training for pregnant soldiers before he started the course.

“I’ve learned that being pregnant is no excuse to avoid PT,” he said.

According to an Army fact sheet about the program, “moderate exercise promotes a more rapid recovery from the birth process and a faster return to required physical fitness levels.”

An Army study showed significant Army physical fitness test failures, height/weight failures, and increased injury and illness rates when active-duty soldiers who don’t take part in physical exercise during pregnancy return to their unit, according to the fact sheet.

The program, which is mandatory for pregnant soldiers, was set up to get them back to their units quickly after they give birth, according to Staff Sgt. Latoya Nieves-Gonzales, who is helping York train the NCOs at Camp Zama.

“Pregnant soldiers were trying to do [regular Army] physical training and they couldn’t do a lot of the exercises,” she said.

Soldiers have six months to meet the Army’s height and weight standards and pass a physical training test after they give birth, she said, adding that nine pregnant soldiers do PPPT training at Camp Zama each morning.

“In the last year, we have only had one soldier who didn’t meet those standards and she was already in the weight-reduction program before she got pregnant,” she said.

Female soldiers typically add 25-30 pounds during a pregnancy, said Nieves-Gonzales, who put on 20 pounds before the birth of her own son, Xavier, six years ago in Würzburg, Germany.

That was before PPPT training was mandatory.

“My unit said: ‘You can’t do PT with us so just sleep in,’ ” she said.

Still, soldiers used to mounting up with rucksacks and rifles were not too keen on the idea of strapping on a big belly and fake breasts.

“I’m not looking forward to wearing the pregnancy simulator,” said Sgt. Matthew Prout, a 26-year-old member of the 88th Military Police Detachment at Camp Zama.

The Army Combatives instructor said he was worried that the frontal weight would throw his balance off during aerobics routines.

“It gives me a better sense of what the pregnant woman is going through as she is going the exercises,” he said. “It will allow me to see both sides.”

It never occurred to Prout, when he joined the Army, that he’d learn to train pregnant soldiers, he said.

“My initial view of the Army was just kind of – we train, we fight,” he said. “But my eyes have been opened up to the family aspects of the Army as opposed to just the single soldier view.”

Prout, who is single, said he hoped the PPPT training would help him relate to his future wife when she gets pregnant.

“A lot of people when their wives get pregnant just say, ‘good luck,’ but I will be able to be there step by step,” he said.

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USMC_5-Echo
02-18-2014, 20:22
Wow....I really thought I had seen it all but now I think I really have.

Guylee
02-18-2014, 20:29
Some of those guys look like they're pregnant already.

<MADDOG>
02-18-2014, 20:34
The ARNG post doesn't surprise me, as I seen enough of those turtles when I was in to know what to expect; but this... Is sad.

I sure hope the Chinese and Russians are this politically correct nowadays...

SamuraiCO
02-18-2014, 20:45
This is the kind of crap the military wastes money on that reeks of diversity training corporate america has us all gagging on. Touchy feely doesn't kill the enemy. Someone somewhere in the Pentagon needs to be gone and save us all some money.

Danimal
02-18-2014, 20:50
Not surprised. It was heading this way when I was in. There was a huge push to have female members on DC casualty response teams. That is great because a 100lb female is going to have a lot of fun hauling my 200 lb ass out of a space during a fire up ladder wells. But don't worry, they are trained to bend your knee over their shoulder and drag you up. Great.

mcjhr
02-19-2014, 01:10
UHM......this just makes me uncomfortable. Orders are orders?

BPTactical
02-19-2014, 06:21
But do they get to experience the impregnation?

You know, that way they get the entire experience......[Train]

rockhound
02-19-2014, 06:59
thanks bert, always willing to take it too far [LOL]

this is ridiculous, i am all for equality and fairness to women, but i fail to see how this is helpful to anyone. If we are so desperate that we have to consider that our pregnant female soldiers are going to be in the field and need to mantain their physical ability to fight and so will be doing physical training with the other troops at 8 months in then we seriously need to rethink how we are running our military.

ANADRILL
02-19-2014, 07:42
WTF? Might as well come and take us over now. This gov't has turned the greatest nation into a sissy state...

Dave
02-19-2014, 08:27
Actually, what I got from this is that at least they are now requiring pregnant females to do PT in the mornings. When I was in it was like SSG Gonzales said, they slept in and showed up for morning work formation. At least now they keep to a more normal Army schedule for the mornings. Not sure why a guy needs to wear the belly setup to instruct the PT sessions though. Might be better for the women there to have another woman conduct the sessions anyway.

Aloha_Shooter
02-19-2014, 09:52
It sounded to me like at least one of the objectives of the program was to instill confidence they could lead pregnant soldiers through PT instead of just ignoring them. It looks stupid as hell and I'm glad it wasn't part of any of MY training but I understand why it might be necessary to keep pregnant soldiers fit through their pregnancy and why it would be hard for a physically fit young 20-something guy to empathize with someone who just got her center of gravity thrown off with 25 extra pounds in her front midsection.

T-Giv
02-19-2014, 12:42
Good Lawd. That is all I can say about this one. [facepalm]

crashdown
02-19-2014, 12:56
So what do the women wear to know what a guy with morning wood feels like when exercising???

KestrelBike
02-19-2014, 22:57
Some of those guys look like they're pregnant already.
Ahhh glad someone said it.

TheGrey
02-20-2014, 23:55
I have come to the conclusion that it’s an idea that has some merit.

Stay with me, here.
When I went through Basic, we were my TI’s first female flight. (USAF. Much love and respect to every one of you that served, no matter the branch. I know Basic varies for each branch, but there are similarities, so I hope you’ll take that into account.) My TI had been in at least six years. Frankly, he wasn’t quite certain what we could do with us (not that…get your mind out of the gutter!) and that proved frustrating for him, and enormously frustrating for us. For example: we’d be marching, and he would begin a Cadence Call, only to stop it abruptly, mid-statement, and mutter, “Can’t say that, ya’ll are females…”

We had a brother flight, and by unspoken agreement, we were in fierce competition with them. To be honest, they were hopeless with most things. At PT time, we’d be required to do modified push-ups and chin-ups, which our brother flight’s TI would gleefully point out was unfair. (We agreed there, too, and worked on male PT exercises on our own time, so we could bet them on even ground. Frankly, we worshiped the ground Tsgt Dustin walked on…and anyone that didn’t agree kept it to themselves. That Honor Flight banner was ours.) When the Pararescue guys came around, asking if anyone in our flight was interested in trying out, no one from our Brother Flight stepped up. Five females from my Flight stepped up to give it a shot. The point is, being gung-ho is not limited to XY chromosomes.

But I digress. If a woman joins the military on a delayed entry, and ends up pregnant by the time she’s supposed to go into Basic, why should she not go? Is pregnancy an ending? Should pregnancy mean she can’t serve her country? As long as she can do those modified exercises, and maintains the weight levels the regulations lay out, I don’t see the problem. Having the guys that teach PT wear those things makes them more aware of the limitations imposed by pregnancy….but a pregnant woman should still be able to conduct their duties. There was a hell of a lot of malingering when I was in- this would definitely curtail that.
Those of you talking about a 100-pound woman trying to carry your 200-pound body out of the line of fire- not everyone is in a combat role. Support roles such as supply, maintenance and the like don’t require someone to bench-press 200 pounds. They have to be within their physical fitness standards, but there are both male and females that could not meet those requirements.

On the other hand, if they are in a combat role or field support role that has physical specifications, in my opinion, they should not be any different than the men’s requirements.

mcjhr
02-21-2014, 00:44
I can totally see it from that perspective. another training tool to train. Right now my age and family status sets me back. Hoping I can get in next year. Thank you for your service.

TheBelly
02-21-2014, 05:46
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But I digress. If a woman joins the military on a delayed entry, and ends up pregnant by the time she’s supposed to go into Basic, why should she not go? Is pregnancy an ending? Should pregnancy mean she can’t serve her country? As long as she can do those modified exercises, and maintains the weight levels the regulations lay out, I don’t see the problem. Having the guys that teach PT wear those things makes them more aware of the limitations imposed by pregnancy….but a pregnant woman should still be able to conduct their duties. There was a hell of a lot of malingering when I was in- this would definitely curtail that.
Those of you talking about a 100-pound woman trying to carry your 200-pound body out of the line of fire- not everyone is in a combat role. Support roles such as supply, maintenance and the like don’t require someone to bench-press 200 pounds. They have to be within their physical fitness standards, but there are both male and females that could not meet those requirements.

On the other hand, if they are in a combat role or field support role that has physical specifications, in my opinion, they should not be any different than the men’s requirements.



A pregnant civilian should not show up for military basic training. Wait until after the kid is born. Period.

pregnancy isn't a career ender, but most pregnant service members aren't allowed field time, such as riding in a military vehicle (such as a cargo truck).

what is the weight level required for a pregnant female Airman? <---serious question

Pregnant service members CAN still do their day to day duties....with limitations. This is for the already trained individual, though.

about the 'not everyone is in a combat role' bit: just stop it. You never know when something is going to happen. Here's an extreme example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Ramp_disaster This doesn't count all the examples that happen every week, yet go un-mentioned.

waxthis
02-21-2014, 10:27
A pregnant civilian should not show up for military basic training. Wait until after the kid is born. Period.

pregnancy isn't a career ender, but most pregnant service members aren't allowed field time, such as riding in a military vehicle (such as a cargo truck).

what is the weight level required for a pregnant female Airman? <---serious question

Pregnant service members CAN still do their day to day duties....with limitations. This is for the already trained individual, though.

about the 'not everyone is in a combat role' bit: just stop it. You never know when something is going to happen. Here's an extreme example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Ramp_disaster This doesn't count all the examples that happen every week, yet go un-mentioned.

Hot topic indeed. However I have to agree with Belly on this one. Over the years the Military has been focused on catering to every "sensitive" need that arises for fear of political repercussions. It needs to stop.........Guess I'm just old school.

TheGrey
02-21-2014, 12:25
A pregnant civilian should not show up for military basic training. Wait until after the kid is born. Period.

pregnancy isn't a career ender, but most pregnant service members aren't allowed field time, such as riding in a military vehicle (such as a cargo truck).

what is the weight level required for a pregnant female Airman? <---serious question

Pregnant service members CAN still do their day to day duties....with limitations. This is for the already trained individual, though.

about the 'not everyone is in a combat role' bit: just stop it. You never know when something is going to happen. Here's an extreme example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Ramp_disaster This doesn't count all the examples that happen every week, yet go un-mentioned.

Hi Belly! :)

I'm not a doctor, but I would think that a pregnant female during the first trimester would be okay for basic training. Personally, I would defer my enlistment until after I had the baby, but who knows what people's circumstances are? I had girls in my flight that showed up for Basic with every worldly possession they owned, having nowhere else to turn. Does that still happen? I don't know.

I'm not sure what the USAF guidelines are for weight levels for pregnant women.

Extreme examples- that Green Ramp Disaster is certainly one. What a horrible situation! In an emergency situation, there are always things that can be done, be it calling for help, fetching supplies, etc. I notice in the article that it states the paratroopers were the ones to move the injured troopers from the wreckage; I'm equally sure there were other people on hand that provided some measure of support during that incident.

Conditions such as pregnancy (temporary) do inhibit a number of actions, certainly. Pregnancies vary with each individual. Some women can work right up until delivery, others have issues throughout.

TheGrey
02-21-2014, 12:39
Hot topic indeed. However I have to agree with Belly on this one. Over the years the Military has been focused on catering to every "sensitive" need that arises for fear of political repercussions. It needs to stop.........Guess I'm just old school.

Well....yes and no. Pregnancy is a temporary physical issue. "Sensitive" needs that go beyond the pale ("I don't like the way he told me I should be doing my job! I'm upset now! Waaah!") really ought to be reigned in or used to focus on the very real sexual harassment/abuse that goes on, instead of wasting resources on a butthurt prima donna.

My personal opinion is this: if the female soldier gets pregnant and is unable to perform her regular duties in the field she is in, she should be moved to a support role that she can perform while pregnant. Even personnel that have injuries are benched with support roles until they are declared fit for duty.