Sig Safety Features

[B-Ry]

For the P250 and P229s, I know they don't have a manual safety, so what is used to keep them safe while concealed carrying? I'm a newb!

[ChrisC]

B-Ry
I use both a Sig 229 and 239 for concealed carry and I use the decocker to carry them in Double Action with the hammer down. The first pull of the trigger will be Double Action and then every subsequent trigger pull will be Single Action.

[B-Ry]

That's kinda what I thought. So any pull of the trigger will discharge the gun, though it is a 10 lb trigger pull, correct? I dunno if I like that.

[ChrisC]

You are correct any pull of the trigger in a DA/SA handgun will fire it. I have not measured the DA trigger pull on either of my Sigs so I am not sure if it is 10 lbs or not. It is really a personal preference as to the condition you want your carry weapon to be in. With a DA/SA I definitely practice the transition of the first shot being DA and the following shots being SA.

[Irving]

You need to tackle this problem from a different angle. If you are carrying, and are worried that you will pull the trigger when you don't mean to, then you need to find a new way to carry. I've been carrying my M&P with NO manual or active safety, and NO double action trigger pull for about a year now. As long as you don't pull the trigger, the gun won't fire.

[7idl]

That's kinda what I thought. So any pull of the trigger will discharge the gun, though it is a 10 lb trigger pull, correct? I dunno if I like that.

1st: Get some training
2nd: practice
3rd: still don't like it? Get a 1911 variant-
- grip safety
- thumb safety
- firing pin safety (MkIV variants and newer, IIRC)

most modern auto's will not fire unless you pull the trigger. Something you shouldn't be worried about IF you follow the rules for firearms ;)

worried about someone grabbing it and using it against you.. the 1911's carried cocked and locked will help vs the average thug as they'll just point and pull the trigger...you on the other hand, will have trained on it's use and know to thumb the safety down when you go to use it ;)

Some HK's, Berrettas and others will do this as well.

[Irving]

It's kind of like a fixed blade knife. You wouldn't carry a fixed blade without a sheath right? And you'd certainly keep your fingers away from the blade while handling right?
And you probably wouldn't cut yourself just by drawing and inserting into the sheath right?

Same thing as a gun. You learn that the trigger is the dangerous "No touchy!" part. Once you get used to it, it's really not as scary anymore.

[Graves]

I use the ol' keep your finger off the trigger method, it's the only safety method Ive ever needed (that and training)

[B-Ry]

I guess with the right holster it wouldn't be an issue. But I was also thinking it would be good to have a manual safety for people using it who are use to one. I really prefer not to have a grip safety though.

Also, I was about set on the P229, but then I was thinking that the aluminum frame wouldn't last as long as a polymer frame since aluminum will fatigue at some point. I've heard <10,000 rounds. It would probably take me forever to get that round count, but I will likely have the gun for a very long time.

[bjl913]

I guess with the right holster it wouldn't be an issue. But I was also thinking it would be good to have a manual safety for people using it who are use to one. I really prefer not to have a grip safety though.

Also, I was about set on the P229, but then I was thinking that the aluminum frame wouldn't last as long as a polymer frame since aluminum will fatigue at some point. I've heard <10,000 rounds. It would probably take me forever to get that round count, but I will likely have the gun for a very long time.

the aluminum frame is not a bad thing. They are pretty darn strong. I just picked up a P226 that was used as a range training gun for about 10+ years. all springs and the barrel were replaced and this thing is still a tack driver. I wouldnt have any issues with carrying it. The beretta M9 is an aluminum frame also, and both the sig, and the M9 passed the military standards. If its good enough for US military service, its definately good enough for me!

With the double action/ single action/ no safety debate, the pull is about 7 to 9 lbs on my sig in double action. Its also a pretty long pull for that first shot. VERY smooth though. Unless you intentionaly put your finger in the trigger guard and squeeze the trigger, that gun wont go off. I havnt been through tons and tons of training, but I can get that first round in double action in the X ring almost every time from the holster. Just practice with it. Sigs are great guns!

[B-Ry]

Hmm, 10 years old you say? Ok, you talked me back into it. Now I just have to get past the extra price compared to the polymer.

[bjl913]

yup! at least 10 years at the gun shop, i havnt had the serial number checked to see when it was made, but its one of the older models with the old style grips on it. great piece! Sig is know for their "hell and back reliability", to quote their tagline. Good luck /w the decision, and let me know if you need anymore info, just drop me a PM!

~Ben

[B-Ry]

How much harder is the 229 to keep concealed with the 1.5" thickness? I stay very warm and if I have to wear a thicker layer it's not for me (but still awesome for a non carry).

[bjl913]

I conceal the full size 226, a beretta 92, walther p99, or a full size 1911 without an issue. Im 6 foot, 180lbs, pretty slim build. My usual dress is just jeans and a large t-shirt(large in size, not in fit! I hate these kids that think a large means a 4xx). I carry in my waist band, at about my 4 or 4:30 positon. It may be a little tough to carry dressed so lightly, and you have gotta make sure your shirt is pulled down every time you get out of the car or stand up from a chair, but its really not that bad... just remember, its only obvious to the guy that is actively looking for it! This is just an example of how UNDER dressed you can be and still hide a full size pistol. When I put on a button up shirt, suit, or summer jacket, there are no worries about "printing" or anybody EVER noticing. and if they do, who cares, it happens, your legal... If I was a bigger guy I would have no problem hiding a big ass revolver or desert eagle or something retarded like that. i just dont see what the issue is with people concealing full size guns

The 229 should hide much better though, being smaller than the 226. it will probably be somewhat more comfortable too! Buy holsters, and alot of them, till you find the right one! I used to have tons of extra stuff laying around, but not anymore...

[B-Ry]

Sounds good. I'm a little depressed I missed an awesome opportunity. Yesterday I found a brand new 229 (no night sights) for $700 on the defensivecarry forums. He was in Colorado too! It was posted a week ago but I guess he traded it away yesterday! :(

[B-Ry]

What do you guys think about this:

Buy a P229 in 22LR: $500 + 20 S&H + $20 FFT
Buy the .40 X-Change Kit: $370 with out night sights :(

Then I could shoot it for cheap and still have the 40 caliber.

[COemtbuddy]

I carry the full size P226. I'm usually 6 foot, but can get up to 6"1' on a good day, 250lb. Nobody notices my handgun besides my friends and family, which know that I carry.

[MagicOPromotion]

Do any of you folks know if the frame for the Hopkins and Allen Safety Police is the same for both the .32 and .38 rounds? I havent been able to find that information anywhere. Much thanks for any help. Doug

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

One thing I like about the SIGs, like my 226, is that you can put your thumb behind the hammer while you reholster. Doesn't guarantee that you will not have an ND, but at least might give you a little warning that the trigger is caught and the hammer is coming back.

[SAnd]

The SIGs have a firing pin safety on them. Unless the triger is pulled back the firing pin is blocked from going forward far enough forward to hit the primer.

[gnihcraes]

P228 here, and practiced a couple weekends ago at the north site, drawing and firing, and the double action to single action isn't a big deal. If you need to use the gun, you won't have any trouble shooting that DA first shot...

can't say enough good about the sigs... great guns have owned several.

kc.

[BPTactical]

The SIGs have a firing pin safety on them. Unless the triger is pulled back the firing pin is blocked from going forward far enough forward to hit the primer.

I think this is the type of info the OP was looking for.
Here is what Sig has to offer:
1-Safety intercept notch- Basically a notch on the hammer that engages the sear and prevents the hammer from contacting the firing pin unless the trigger is pulled.
2-Firing pin safety- The little oval shaped plunger in the slide. It physically blocks the firing pin from traveling forward unless the trigger is pulled.
3- Disconnector-Prevents the pistol from firing unless the barrel and slide are locked in battery.
4- Inertial firing pin- If the hammer is resting on the firing pin it will not contact the primer.
5- Rebounding hammer- The hammer does not rest on the firing pin and cannot drive the pin forward if the hammer is struck.
Some of the features are redundant but that is not a bad thing.

Dont hesitate to buy a Sig. They are very well built and safe pistols to carry. There is good reason they are approved for duty carry by so many agencies.
The only drawback is they are a touch heavy.
Jury is still out on the polymer frame models. I dont think Sig did themselves any favors.

[KFinn]

I second everyone that has suggested the SIG. All I want to own are sigs now because of my experiance with the 2 I have. I'll deal with a little extra weight because they just feel natural.

I have a Sig P229 9mm and love it an will never sell it or get rid of her. I carry it often and don't have many issues with keeping it concealed, there is an adjustment I have to make with the angle it sits when I get in a car with Seat bolsters but otherwise no issues.

I also second, that putting your thumb on the hammer and pushing that down with pressure will definitely keep you aware if the trigger is caught when re-holstering. I have never had it start to cock on me.

Yes the DA is a 10lbs. and long pull. In my opinion its not unsafe at all to keep a round chambered. I am thinking of having my gun sent in to get the SRT added.

I personally don't care one bit for their polymer frames and will not ever touch them. I also heard from some one about the implication that is being made by the different internal firing mech. that was adapted or used in Europe and that bringing it State side is a big mistake. I don't know why or understand the statements, just sharing what I heard.