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ChunkyMonkey
02-26-2014, 17:44
http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/02/26/its-true-government-agents-are-infiltrating-online-communities/


It’s true: Government agents are infiltrating online communities

Wednesday, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:43 PM MST

If you have been following Glenn since his days at Fox News, you may remember the expose he did on Obama ‘regulatory czar’ Cass Sunstein and his nudge theory. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2010/09/28/glenn-beck-from-nudge-to-shove/) One of Sunstein’s more disturbing ideas involved government operatives infiltrating online communities in order to disseminate false information. As Glenn describes it, the goal was to “pose, infiltrate, and discredit.” Anyone who actually took Sunstein’s words at face value were mocked and labeled conspiracy theorists. But, as it turns out, it was all true

“The English version of the NSA is the GCHQ… The English NSA has now revealed that that’s exactly what our government is doing,” Glenn said on radio this morning. “What Cass Sunstein proposed in a purely academic setting – that was his excuse – the British NSA has now verified. That’s exactly what we are doing. And so there are operatives posing as regular citizens on our web sites and in our organizations. I mean how crazy is that? Wake up, America! Wake up!”
Glenn Greewald – the former Guardian reporter who worked to publish the material exposed by Edward Snowden – released a thorough report on his new website, FirstLook.org, dissecting the data.
Greenwald reports (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/):

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series (http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/27/22469304-snowden-docs-reveal-british-spies-snooped-on-youtube-and-facebook?lite) of articles (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/war-anonymous-british-spies-attacked-hackers-snowden-docs-show-n21361) about “dirty trick” tactics (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/snowden-docs-british-spies-used-sex-dirty-tricks-n23091) used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/NEWS/snowden_youtube_nbc_document.pdf) classified (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_anonymous_nbc_document.pdf) GCHQ (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_cyber_offensive2_nbc_document.pdf) documents (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/snowden_cyber_offensive1_nbc_document.pdf) presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/is-the-five-eyes-alliance-conspiring-to-spy-on-you/277190/). Today, we at the Intercept are publishinganother new JTRIG document (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/), in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”

By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums.

Later in the article, Greenwald actually references Sunstein and explains “these GCHQ documents are the first to prove that a major western government is using some of the most controversial techniques to disseminate deception online and harm the reputations of targets.”

Not surprised! So who's among us? [Coffee]

Zundfolge
02-26-2014, 17:51
Wouldn't it be funny if Glenn Beck was one of these government agents?

SideShow Bob
02-26-2014, 17:59
Aw crap, now my cover is blown............ Exit stag left.................[tinhat]

RblDiver
02-26-2014, 18:06
Not surprised! So who's among us? [Coffee]

You totally gave me a bad deal at one time somewhere! And you gave me cancer! And you kicked my puppy!

...Are you discredited yet? I get paid per sadface of my targets, er, people who totally have ruined my life, yeah, that's it!

TFOGGER
02-26-2014, 18:23
Meh...the .gov agents can kiss my hairy white...hey, do you hear helicopt--

ChunkyMonkey
02-26-2014, 18:25
Meh...the .gov agents can kiss my hairy white...hey, do you hear helicopt--

Meh, dont worry about the UN/Swedish black helicopter. I'd worry about the drone... you wont hear it coming.

trlcavscout
02-26-2014, 19:03
I know a few here, wonder which one is the snitch haha


i am leaning towards that old tattoo'd up guy, Magoo, wazoo or whatever his name is?

Aloha_Shooter
02-26-2014, 19:03
<sends Rosie O'D to go kiss TFOGGER's hairy white ...>

OtterbatHellcat
02-26-2014, 19:04
i am leaning towards that old tattoo'd up guy, Magoo, wazoo or whatever his name is?

lol

cstone
02-26-2014, 19:07
[Wave]

Jamnanc
02-26-2014, 19:13
This report is obviously not true and anybody who believes it is an idiot.

blacklabel
02-26-2014, 19:16
This report is obviously not true and anybody who believes it is an idiot.

With all of that logic and reason, you Mr. Government man have completely changed my mind.

davsel
02-26-2014, 19:19
Not it !

Great-Kazoo
02-26-2014, 19:25
Wouldn't it be funny if Glenn Beck was one of these government agents?

Timothy Leary was.

OtterbatHellcat
02-26-2014, 19:27
Yeah, Tim was.

Limited GM
02-26-2014, 19:45
Tis probably a long standing member so as not to draw attention. Probably would play it safe by making alliances, such as holding group events for the locals. Possibly changes board names when the heat is on. Has no clear indication of having a job. Disabled would be a good cover. Possibly tatted up to blend in from past undercover work. Can't shoot for sheet. Uh...wait......I'm never going to Windsor again.

[LOL]

sellersm
02-26-2014, 20:14
Probably makes disturbing videos of poetry.


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spyder
02-26-2014, 20:23
This is all untrue. None of this is happening... All of you are conspiracy theorists! I'm reporting all of you!

merl
02-26-2014, 20:23
http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/02/26/its-true-government-agents-are-infiltrating-online-communities/
Not surprised! So who's among us? [Coffee]

Not surprised either. Question, would you care or say anything differently if someone here openly identified themselves as an ATF or FBI agent?

TFOGGER
02-26-2014, 20:34
I, for one, welcome the helpful agents of our gloriously beneficient governmental agencies...

Irving
02-26-2014, 20:57
Not surprised either. Question, would you care or say anything differently if someone here openly identified themselves as an ATF or FBI agent?

We have both already.

Great-Kazoo
02-26-2014, 20:59
Tis probably a long standing member so as not to draw attention. Probably would play it safe by making alliances, such as holding group events for the locals. Possibly changes board names when the heat is on. Has no clear indication of having a job. Disabled would be a good cover. Possibly tatted up to blend in from past undercover work. Can't shoot for sheet. Uh...wait......I'm never going to Windsor again.

[LOL]



You have a pass, AND CHECK waiting .

Great-Kazoo
02-26-2014, 21:00
Not surprised either. Question, would you care or say anything differently if someone here openly identified themselves as an ATF or FBI agent?


Not at all


We have both already.

yes we do. more than folks realize. Same for every gun board.

HoneyBadger
02-26-2014, 21:08
i am leaning towards that old tattoo'd up guy, Magoo, wazoo or whatever his name is?
[LOL]

Zundfolge
02-26-2014, 21:27
Question, would you care or say anything differently if someone here openly identified themselves as an ATF or FBI agent?

I have always posted here as though there were government agents watching (because I'm sure they are ... hell even in a non collapsing America where law enforcement still worked within the constitution it would be prudent for them to keep an eye on what's said on the internet in public forums).

But this article is saying something more then "they're watching", its saying that there are likely government agents out there posting misinformation and working on entrapping people (which makes sense, afterall where do you think all these wannabe jihidis that the FBI keeps supplying with fake explosives are found?). Of course its one thing when they're trying to entrap criminals and terrorists, its yet another when they're trying to push a political agenda.

I'll go one further, I can think of at least three members here (no I'm not going to name names, not publicly and not in PM so don't ask) that I would not be surprised to find out were government agitators ... I have no proof that they are, nor any serious suspicion that they are, but it wouldn't surprise me if I found out they were.

America is so fucked up these days.

Big E3
02-26-2014, 21:45
I'm convinced they crop up here every once in a while, somebody will say something in a post that makes me think they are so far out in left field they couldn't possibly even own a gun. Then they try to defend themselves and say more stupid stuff until they are flamed and banned. I doubt anybody infiltrating this site would get to far in persuading us to back the Obama agenda.

Great-Kazoo
02-26-2014, 22:55
America is so fucked up these days.


These day's ? Agent provocateurs, have been active since recorded time.

<MADDOG>
02-27-2014, 00:19
That would be me... Sorry fellas. I've been lurking since 04' posting random shit four times a year to throw you off my NSA monitoring of right wing, gun toting, prepping/IDGF, liberal/libertarian, beer/whiskey drinking, and military/nerd aholes! [LOL]

ChunkyMonkey
02-27-2014, 00:37
I'm convinced they crop up here every once in a while, somebody will say something in a post that makes me think they are so far out in left field they couldn't possibly even own a gun. Then they try to defend themselves and say more stupid stuff until they are flamed and banned. I doubt anybody infiltrating this site would get to far in persuading us to back the Obama agenda.

No, those are just dumbasses like NYNCO.. You are looking more for a wolf in sheep's clothing.. making us look 'tard.

<MADDOG>
02-27-2014, 00:44
No, those are just dumbasses like NYNCO.. You are looking more for a wolf in sheep's clothing.. making us look 'tard.

My observation: without NYNCO; some of you guys would be bored in this forum...

There is no way he could be an informant. A KGB/Al Qaeda agent would have called "uncle" by now! [LOL]

Edit: and he has challenged some of the members on this board with meaningful debate; and he doesn't get too butt-hurt either...

ChunkyMonkey
02-27-2014, 00:46
My observation: without NYNCO; some of you guys would be bored in this forum...

There is no way he could be an informant. A KGB/Al Qaeda agent would have called "uncle" by now! [LOL]

Hell no, I prefer AK>M16 argument over that tard.

Irving
02-27-2014, 00:47
I think this site needs NYCO. In a good way.

<MADDOG>
02-27-2014, 00:59
I think this site needs NYCO. In a good way.

+1

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking"

Sorry guys; I don't think any of us want to be drones...

rondog
02-27-2014, 01:38
If there is/are/were any gooberment spies here, you can bet your ass they'd meld right in and not stand out like a sore dick. Anti-gun spies, they're a different story. Arguing about stupid shit, taking contrary positions, trying to stir things up.

Pros won't be detected, IMO. Shame on 'em if they do, they ain't very pro in that case.

wctriumph
02-27-2014, 02:01
I confess, its not me.

[Coffee]


TEA

III

ray1970
02-27-2014, 06:20
They're here. They already paid me a visit. I gave them names. Some of you will be seeing them soon.

buffalobo
02-27-2014, 07:25
They're here. They already paid me a visit. I gave them names. Some of you will be seeing them soon.

They offered Cheetos didn't they?

hghclsswhitetrsh
02-27-2014, 07:51
They're here. They already paid me a visit. I gave them names. Some of you will be seeing them soon.


You've changed. It's like I don't even know you anymore.

sniper7
02-27-2014, 08:33
Good thing I have THE LIST

Great-Kazoo
02-27-2014, 08:36
They're here. They already paid me a visit. I gave them names. Some of you will be seeing them soon.

So, the address i gave them was correct, didn't want your neighbors getting unwanted visits.

merl
02-27-2014, 08:57
So, the address i gave them was correct, didn't want your neighbors getting unwanted visits.

But where is the fun in that? That neighbor with the loud dog must have a stash of postban mags under the couch :)

kawiracer14
02-27-2014, 09:18
It has to be someone that is constantly selling or buying their guns here on the forum, trying to figure out who they can convince to buy one without going through a Chickenpooper mandated BGC.

jreifsch80
02-27-2014, 09:19
The politburo has ways of sending us to gulags regardless of what we "say" I wouldn't be surprised if people are interrogated and sleep deprived for days only to be made to sign false confessions spelling their doom otherwise to "inform" on people we are the new Soviet Union or more like East Germany

rockhound
02-27-2014, 09:27
in other news, we have discovered that water is wet.

Great-Kazoo
02-27-2014, 09:41
in other news, we have discovered that water is wet.

How wet ?

HoneyBadger
02-27-2014, 09:54
How wet ?

VERY.

asmo
02-27-2014, 10:05
It's obviously Ridge. The ponies are designed to get you to let your guard down and lull you into a false sense of security.

MED
02-27-2014, 10:11
I guess it is a good strategy for those that want control. Screen for the next McVeigh and prevent organization through mistrust. Opposition without organization is difficult if not impossible. ...modern day Schutzstaffel.

Jer
02-27-2014, 11:13
[Sofa]

centrarchidae
02-27-2014, 11:57
If we're going to have BATF running around here, can they at least pickup the pace on getting Form 1's approved?

Dave
02-27-2014, 12:03
It might be a gunsmith who lulls people into a false sense of security by providing quality work and becomes an IP on the forum, but keeps track of who has what and reports it all to his overlords. [Coffee]

hghclsswhitetrsh
02-27-2014, 14:57
It's obviously Ridge. The ponies are designed to get you to let your guard down and lull you into a false sense of security.

Or insecurity and phobia. [fagpole]

Great-Kazoo
02-27-2014, 14:58
Now lets talk about something else.... the nuclear fallout from fuji camera reactors is invading the west coast and making rednecks turn into the hills have eyes. Anyone else heard about this? We need to do something...

[Coffee]

You should post this in the PWT area. it's more coverage

jerrymrc
02-27-2014, 17:40
VERY.

I think the only liquid that is NOT wet has invaded your brain, Just saying.


Tis probably a long standing member so as not to draw attention. Probably would play it safe by making alliances, such as holding group events for the locals. Possibly changes board names when the heat is on. Has no clear indication of having a job. Disabled would be a good cover. Possibly tatted up to blend in from past undercover work. Can't shoot for sheet. Uh...wait......I'm never going to Windsor again.

Amazing how those old 70's light bulbs went off the first time huh?[LOL][Flower]

ray1970
02-27-2014, 18:34
The lightbulbs from the 70's had cameras hidden in them so "big brother" could find out who was a communist. Just saying.

Great-Kazoo
02-27-2014, 18:40
The lightbulbs from the 70's had cameras hidden in them so "big brother" could find out who was a communist. Just saying.

microphones. Cameras were in clocks.

ray1970
02-27-2014, 18:46
microphones. Cameras were in clocks.

Like you even remember the 70's.

[Coffee]

Great-Kazoo
02-27-2014, 18:52
Like you even remember the 70's.

[Coffee]

don't get felonious on me

Jer
02-27-2014, 19:07
I don't trust electronics. I still mail for my plane tickets.

Great-Kazoo
02-27-2014, 19:20
I don't trust electronics. I still mail for my plane tickets.

You don't trust electronics,[ROFL2]

spqrzilla
02-27-2014, 19:31
Wanna see my shiny NSA/GCHQ badge?

By the way, I found it hilarious that Glenn Greenwald was complaining about sockpuppets. Oh, and Thomas Ellers and Rick Ellensburg thought it was funny too.

For those that don't get it, from my friend Patterico:

http://patterico.com/2014/02/27/glenn-greenwald-on-internet-deception-by-the-british-government/

jerrymrc
02-27-2014, 19:34
You don't trust electronics,[ROFL2]

I think he just is not a Solid State kind of guy. Nothing wrong with Vacuum Tubes. [beatdeadhorse][Coffee]

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac44/jerrymrc/audio/canning355Medium.jpg (http://s884.photobucket.com/user/jerrymrc/media/audio/canning355Medium.jpg.html)

Jer
02-27-2014, 20:04
You don't trust electronics,[ROFL2]

[Sofa]

ray1970
02-27-2014, 20:46
I don't trust electronics. I still mail for my plane tickets.

Ha. I don't even use a paper copy. They just scan my phone.