Court ok's banning American Flag during Cinco De Mayo celebrations

[TFOGGER]

I think my head is going to explode....

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/school-can-ban-american-flag-shirts


A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that a California high school did not violate the rights of its students when it ordered children wearing American flag t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo to turn them inside out.
Administrators at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill had argued that concerns over violence between white and Latino students during the holiday celebration were serious enough to override questions of free speech, according to a report (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/27/american-flag-shirt-ban_n_4870160.html) by the Associated Press.
A three-judge panel from the 9th circuit court of appeals agreed unanimously that prior problems between students on the holiday raised sufficient security concerns to justify the order.


Seriously? WTF? Instead of dealing with the root of the problem, they choose to penalize the victims. Essentially the 9th Circuit says "Es por los Ninos!"....

[Rucker61]

I tried posting this three times yesterday and once this morning, but couldn't post the links. Your title is almost word for word what I came up with . And yes, it's totally nuts. A friend told me that Google is really expanding their hardware team and is looking for experience hires in that area. I told him no freaking way would I move to California, even for a large pay increase and better benefits.

[asmo]

Its for the children.

The other way to handle this is for more violence to happen on the 5th of May - then by the courts own ruling they would have to prevent the donning of the Mexican flag as well.

[BPTactical]

Hey 9th Circus[fyou]

[T-Giv]

Ay Caramba. [facepalm]

[muddywings]

I wonder if the school takes down the flag from the flagpole that day. Hell, this is CA, they probably don't fly it at all.

ETA: and isn't the inability of the school to maintain proper safety and decorum in school, the school's fault?
ETA2: I still think public schools should enact school uniforms

[Whistler]

Saw this on another forum but my opinion is the same - Think it went the wrong direction, ban Cinco de Mayo and celebrate American holidays, here, in America. Problem solved.

[KS63]

Fuck California

[Teufelhund]

From the article:
The appeals court said in its decision that ensuring students’ safety is reasonable cause to place limits on student rights.

I think the Courts should have to cite the section of the Constitution which grants them the authority to place limits on an American's rights.

[RblDiver]

I think the kids in those schools should turn the tables and start threatening to beat up those wearing the Mexican flag. Then by this decision, they'll have to start banning the wearing of that!

[funkymonkey1111]

the whole damn place has gone apey

[newracer]

What is not detailed in the article is if they made students wearing shirts with the Mexican flag also turn them inside out. If they actually did (I doubt it) I would be less angered by the event.

[Kmanbay]

Fort Collins school did roughly the same thing three weeks ago.

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20140204/NEWS01/302040057/Fort-Collins-school-ban-Merica-Day-draws-protesters

The difference was the outrage here.

It also happened at Skyline High school in Longmont a few years ago.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2006/04/more-us-flag-banning-cases-reported/#!

I find it appalling that the American flag could be banned in a public place for any reason, but the flag can be burned in a public place as a protest.

We have lost our way as a nation by bowing to the bulls#!7 feelings of non-Americans or anti American religions of peace.

Old Glory should fly high and proud at EVERY public place or proudly emblazoned on any fixture on any and every day of the year.

[StagLefty]

Man I feel for you younger members-I'm glad I'm in the winter of my life.

[speedysst]

They tried that in Ft. Collins and all hell broke loose. My solution is to display the French flag. Its red/white/blue and only those who actually know what May 5th is about would understand.
Saw this on another forum but my opinion is the same - Think it went the wrong direction, ban Cinco de Mayo and celebrate American holidays, here, in America. Problem solved.

[Hound]

Are you kidding me? What is this.. Cinco De Mayo is one day that America is not America? Incredible!!

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

You guys are racists.

[BPTactical]

Man I feel for you younger members-I'm glad I'm in the winter of my life.

Ice Age is more like it......





Remember though, this is from the "school" that felt it was appropriate to fly the Messican flag above the US flag.
If you ask me the school provoked this response from American Citizens.



Can we just have a 10 million jack hammer march on the San Andreas fault already?
Please......

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Ice Age is more like it......

Pot meet kettle. Hehehe

[BPTactical]

Pot meet kettle. Hehehe

Nah, Stan has me beat, he even has to throw his cat food in the blender before he can grub.


Your on quite the roll Scotty, you get laid recently?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Nah. Just some recent "self discovery" in the shower.

[muddywings]

Nah. Just some recent "self discovery" in the shower.


http://i.imgur.com/IRPxKKA.gif

[ROFL1]

[BREATHER]

The French had the right idea right around 1789... Say hello to Madam Guillotine.....

[rbeau30]

It is things and times like this I wonder if the justices on the supreme court either cannot speak/understand the language in which the Bill of Rights was written in, or if they have a completely different copy altogether.

[BPTactical]

http://i.imgur.com/IRPxKKA.gif

[ROFL1]


I see your[ROFL2] and raise you a [LOL] and a [ROFL3]

[roberth]

[ROFL1]

I see your[ROFL2] and raise you a [LOL] and a [ROFL3]

That was HILARIOUS!!

I like the idea of flying the French flag on the 5th of May.

I've been toying with the idea of burning mexi-flags on the 5th of May too - I'd probably get charged with a few felonies though.

[mcjhr]

I have a feeling that American flag t-shirt sales will be going up this year.....

[ZERO THEORY]

the whole damn place has gone apey

http://i.imgur.com/utNXKZM.jpg

[Whistler]

They tried that in Ft. Collins and all hell broke loose. My solution is to display the French flag. Its red/white/blue and only those who actually know what May 5th is about would understand.

Forgot about that one, thanks for raising my blood pressure again.

<Rant warning>

Well while we're struggling to take our gun rights back let's go ahead and take our Country back, Political Correctness has run it's course - no more Mexican-American, African-American, Irish-American, Martian-American, blah blah blah. If your (legal) permanent address is in THIS country you are an AMERICAN, period. You take your damn hat off during the Pledge of Allegiance, stand and put your hand over your heart during the National Anthem, celebrate American holidays, speak English, eat hotdogs and apple pie dammit! Love this Country that has adopted you, providing the opportunity you sought and shelter from the oppression you fled! You want to celebrate your heritage? Nothing at all wrong with that, tipple a Scotch whiskey in celebration myself on occasion, even been said I may have worn a kilt once or twice but do it on your own time and not at public funded institutions. Don't like it? You are free to GTFO and don't let the door hit you in the ass! Does that make me racist? Hell no - I don't care what your race is, it makes me an American! </rant>

No rant on America is truly complete without a John Wayne quote:


"My hope and prayer is that everyone know and love our country for what she really is and what she stands for. May we nurture her strengths and strengthen her weaknesses so that she will always be a "Land Of The Free, and Home Of The Brave." ~ John Wayne

[GhostRider]

Hey 9th Circus[fyou]
THIS over and over again

[electronman1729]

Is anyone down for going to the Sinko Day Mayo celebration in Denver this year while wearing American Flag T-shirts?

[Tinelement]

Still backing 'Merica Mondays

[Eric P]

Don't call the 5th of May anything but the 5th of May. Ignore and shun any mention of the fake holiday on the 5th of May.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Still backing 'Merica Mondays

Best team in the world.

[ben4372]

Man I feel for you younger members-I'm glad I'm in the winter of my life.
Inspiring. Thanks.

[Rucker61]

Don't call the 5th of May anything but the 5th of May. Ignore and shun any mention of the fake holiday on the 5th of May.

We always celebrate the 5th of May at our house. It's my youngest's birthday.

[MrPrena]

Why does stupid crap like this only happens Here?

[Bailey Guns]

I wonder if the school takes down the flag from the flagpole that day. Hell, this is CA, they probably don't fly it at all.

ETA: and isn't the inability of the school to maintain proper safety and decorum in school, the school's fault?
ETA2: I still think public schools should enact school uniforms


Well, I don't think so. Those that do violence or violate laws or school policy are squarely to blame. Not the schools or the kids wearing American flags on their t-shirts. Wearing uniforms is almost no different than telling kids they can't wear a t-shirt with a flag on it. Although I understand what you're getting at, I think if personal responsibility was given a higher priority and taught at home and at school, we wouldn't have things like this happening.

Makes my blood boil every time I see something like this come out of CA or anywhere else.

I wish it was still cool to be proud to be American.

[tmleadr03]

It is a celebration of the Mexican army beating the French in ONE battle in a war they lost to the French over renigging on their debt to the French and a few others.

The celebration always makes me laugh. Don't care if they burn a flag. They are celebrating beating the french, once.

[clark]

sinco de mayo anguish

Most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellmann's mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.

This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.

The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day. The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.

[rockhound]

thats funny right there, i dont care who you are

[rockhound]

este es no su tierra

[MrPrena]

while we are at it, let's add.....
Ramada(n), YankeePoor, Boxing day, Buddah's Birthday, Some other Greek mythology gods' birthdays.
Why not add other thanksgivings and Lunar new year as an official holiday too? 150 holidays out of 365.25 would be nice.

I can imagine making tons of $$$$ by being a flag sales person.


[blah-blah]

[zteknik]

sinco de mayo anguish

Most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellmann's mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.

This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.

The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day. The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.

[facepalm]Now that makes complete sense!!![ROFL1]

[Eric P]

Thanks for the history lesson. Never cared enough to look up the meaning of it. Thought it had something to do with the day tequila or other beverage was invented...

[Ronin13]

It is a celebration of the Mexican army beating the French in ONE battle in a war they lost to the French over renigging on their debt to the French and a few others.

The celebration always makes me laugh. Don't care if they burn a flag. They are celebrating beating the french, once.
I always laugh at the 5th of May for that very reason... Real big achievement Mexico. Like that's a big feat. [LOL] And it wasn't until the US stepped in (after we ended our own Civil War here) that the French retreated back to France.

I still don't understand how the celebration got big in America, it didn't even happen here, Lincoln remained neutral in the conflict.

[kidicarus13]

I still don't understand how the celebration got big in America, it didn't even happen here,

America needed an "official" day to consume alcohol between President's Day and Memorial Day.

[MrPrena]

America needed an "official" day to consume alcohol between President's Day and Memorial Day.

We already have St. Patrick's day for that. [Beer]

[roberth]

UNAmerica needed an "official" day to consume alcohol between President's Day and Memorial Day.

FIFY

[Ronin13]

We already have St. Patrick's day for that. [Beer]
THIS!

[whitbaby]

Kwanzaa anyone??

;->

[Ridge]

This is a sign that Mexico needs to invade and occupy in order to protect it's citizens.

[tmleadr03]

This is a sign that Mexico needs to invade and occupy in order to protect it's citizens.
Pleas please please let this happen.

[nynco]

I am not going to argue about the merits of wearing the flag. Its OK either way to me. But I think what the school was trying to do was keep the kids from killing each other. Its a school, kids really don't have the rights like adults to wear what they want. Just like some schools ban thing that are gang colors.

Now don't get me wrong!!!! The US flag is not a sign of gang anything. Its our flag.

But I can see where in this case, it could be seen as a way for both sides to start fighting and the school has the paramount responsibility to the safety of the students.

[asmo]

But I can see where in this case, it could be seen as a way for both sides to start fighting and the school has the paramount responsibility to the safety of the students.

Then, by that logic, the school should have banned both the US and the MX flag. Its like the school banning the colours for MS13 but telling the Crips to go all out on blue that day. Shows a little bias e.g. it shows that there is preferential towards a specific group. Which.. is.. prejudicial.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Si.

[nynco]

Then, by that logic, the school should have banned both the US and the MX flag. Its like the school banning the colours for MS13 but telling the Crips to go all out on blue that day. Shows a little bias e.g. it shows that there is preferential towards a specific group. Which.. is.. prejudicial.

I agree the school should have for both flags.

[Whistler]

Toss that logic out in any other country and see where it goes. Not an American holiday, screw them and screw political correctness that makes anyone think hiding the American flag is EVER correct. Bring back the Pledge, bring back school color guards, bring back our Country.

[Irving]

Yeah, it is never okay to hide the American flag.

[crob1]

Toss that logic out in any other country and see where it goes. Not an American holiday, screw them and screw political correctness that makes anyone think hiding the American flag is EVER correct. Bring back the Pledge, bring back school color guards, bring back our Country.

Well said.

[thebolt]

I sure hope people don't publicly burn the Mexican flags as a symbolic gesture.

[Eric P]

Its a school, kids really don't have the rights like adults to wear what they want. Just like some schools ban thing that are gang colors.

But I can see where in this case, it could be seen as a way for both sides to start fighting and the school has the paramount responsibility to the safety of the students.

Please tell me where in the constitution it says kids don't have rights? If kids have no rights, boot the anchor babies since they have no right to the benefits of being a US citizen.

And where else does it say "public safety" trumps any defined right?

[Ronin13]

I agree the school should have for both flags.
Uh how about no... considering this is America here, and that flag is the flag of this country. If kids don't like other kids wearing THIS NATION'S flag, then they can go fuck off somewhere else. I wouldn't go to Sweden and complain that its citizens were wearing Swedish flags, so why would anyone come to this country and not respect our rights to wear our own colors? Makes no sense. If kids get violent over other kids wear red, white and blue then the kids angry over that should be punished.

[mountainjenny]

I agree the school should have for both flags.


The American flag should never be banned in America. It is our flag!!!!!

Why would anyone think banning our own flag is appropriate?

[MrPrena]

Uh how about no... considering this is America here, and that flag is the flag of this country. If kids don't like other kids wearing THIS NATION'S flag, then they can go fuck off somewhere else. I wouldn't go to Sweden and complain that its citizens were wearing Swedish flags, so why would anyone come to this country and not respect our rights to wear our own colors? Makes no sense. If kids get violent over other kids wear red, white and blue then the kids angry over that should be punished.

I totally agree. This other country flag thing is total nonsense.
See what happens if Mexicans complain about Guatemala's flag, in Guatemala! They will have a totally different result than here.

[BPTactical]

Uh how about no... considering this is America here, and that flag is the flag of this country. If kids don't like other kids wearing THIS NATION'S flag, then they can go fuck off somewhere else. I wouldn't go to Sweden and complain that its citizens were wearing Swedish flags, so why would anyone come to this country and not respect our rights to wear our own colors? Makes no sense. If kids get violent over other kids wear red, white and blue then the kids angry over that should be punished.

Nails it to the wall quite well.


Hey Messico- this message was brought to you by the letters F,O,A and D.

[BPTactical]

Cinco De Mayo? Oh, that imaginary victory when Mexico finally won a battle...against the French!
Seriously doubt the average Latino student even knows why the day is celebrated.

Quite a bit of truth here. My BIL has a few "Nationals" that work in the same place as he.
He has asked them what makes 5 May a holiday. To a man they didn't know the real meaning. To them it was a reason to have the family over and drink.
Pretty sad that a high school educated American has to teach them their own countries history.

[Bitter Clinger]

Quite a bit of truth here. My BIL has a few "Nationals" that work in the same place as he.
He has asked them what makes 5 May a holiday. To a man they didn't know the real meaning. To them it was a reason to have the family over and drink.
Pretty sad that a high school educated American has to teach them their own countries history.

And what is even more pathetic is that MANY Americans say the exact same thing about the 4th of July.

[funkymonkey1111]

And what is even more pathetic is that MANY Americans say the exact same thing about the 4th of July.

also those that are confused that the "4th of July" is a holiday called "independence day"

[Bitter Clinger]

also those that are confused that the "4th of July" is a holiday called "independence day"

yup

[speedysst]

As Robert Steed said "The Constitution did not guarantee public safety, it guaranteed liberty. And sometimes what comes with liberty is tragedy, unfortunately."
Please tell me where in the constitution it says kids don't have rights? If kids have no rights, boot the anchor babies since they have no right to the benefits of being a US citizen.

And where else does it say "public safety" trumps any defined right?

[Alpha2]

American flag = free speech. Hmmm, not seeing a problem here. Just do it, and if and when they attempt to toss your patriotic a$$ in jail, you have the case of a lifetime.

[RblDiver]

In an update to this story, the 9th Circuit has declined an en banc review of the case.

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/ninth-circuit-guts-student-free-speech-upholds-hecklers-veto-of-american-flag?sf31241624=1

I still stand by my earlier assertion that these kids need to threaten the Mexican kids and see if it has the same result!

[speedysst]

I'll just fly the French flag on May 5th. Its kind of the same sentiment.

[Scanker19]

Could one ban the Mexican flag on American holidays?

[Hound]

Just wrong, plain and simple.

[cstone]

Didn't the courts rule that flag burning was legal? All flags being equal under the law, I know which one gets used to start my next fire [Flower]

[The Heretic]

Unreal. I don't have words for this but it makes my heart sad.

[RonMexico]

http://teespring.com/DONTBANAMERICANFLAG

[Great-Kazoo]

Unreal. I don't have words for this but it makes my heart sad.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/138607-quot-The-Homeland-quot

[Eric P]

So what would happen if you ignore this ruling and fly the flag? This is our country, not mexico.

Press the issue to the supreme court. Free speech is protected on both sides.

[buffalobo]

So what would happen if you ignore this ruling and fly the flag? This is our country, not mexico.

Press the issue to the supreme court. Free speech is protected on both sides.
Don't care what would happen. I will fly the flag where and when I choose. I try to follow flag etiquette as best I can and will deal with any consequences when the time comes.

Support the program in the link above and help the folks carrying the fight for our freedoms.

lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

[Aloha_Shooter]

In retrospect, while I agree the school has some ability to limit speech that would cause serious disruptions, it would seem to me their ruling barring American flag t-shirts as opposed to ALL expressions of nationality is a violation of US Code 36 § 175 (c) (i.e., the U.S. Flag Code, Position and Manner of Display):

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.

[MED]

If you want to Celebrate Cinco De Mayo, go back to Mexico and celebrate it!

[roberth]

If you want to Celebrate Cinco De Mayo, go back to Mexico and celebrate it!

Yeah, if they're so proud of their 3rd world shithole why are those effstains here in the first.

[crob1]

Is this ruling because they show THE AMERICAN flag IN AMERICA the same respect? Nah. These photos are from SoCal from a few years ago. They are more emboldened now I'm sure.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p97/Cummins600/RemoveUS-FlagMTB-2006.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p97/Cummins600/BuzzardOverOldGlory.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p97/Cummins600/BurnUSFlagLACA_070325.gif

[Dave]

If you want to Celebrate Cinco De Mayo, go back to Mexico and celebrate it!

So then everyone who wants to celebrate St Patrick's Day needs to go back to Ireland to do so? I get so sick of seeing Irish flags everywhere in mid March. This is America goddamnit!

[crob1]

So then everyone who wants to celebrate St Patrick's Day needs to go back to Ireland to do so? I get so sick of seeing Irish flags everywhere in mid March. This is America goddamnit!

While I agree with your sentiment, it's not the same. The Mexicans are trying to conquer America.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_scariest_pro_illegal_immigration_video_youll_s ee_all_day/

[ZERO THEORY]

In an update to this story, the 9th Circuit has declined an en banc review of the case.

http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/ninth-circuit-guts-student-free-speech-upholds-hecklers-veto-of-american-flag?sf31241624=1

I still stand by my earlier assertion that these kids need to threaten the Mexican kids and see if it has the same result!

http://i.imgur.com/IU5NWh8.jpg

[Dave]

While I agree with your sentiment, it's not the same. The Mexicans are trying to conquer America.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_scariest_pro_illegal_immigration_video_youll_s ee_all_day/

Little bit of sarcasm in my post. I'm more concerned about the ones who fly other countries' flags the rest of the year, regardless of country. Got a Union Jack on your car? Maybe moving to Wales or N. Ireland is better suited to you.