View Full Version : A couple of people with guns could of stopped this.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/01/knife-men-china-train-station/5924345/
and people think that once all the guns are gone all will be good in America. [facepalm]
They obviously need stricter knife control like the british have.
muddywings
03-01-2014, 13:53
Holy shit that's a high body count!
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kidicarus13
03-01-2014, 14:04
Holy shit that's a high body count!
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Damn, sure is!
wctriumph
03-01-2014, 14:14
Remember that in African nations in the recent past whole villages were ethnically cleansed (wiped out) by groups with nothing more than machetes and clubs.
Remember that in African nations in the recent past whole villages were ethnically cleansed (wiped out) by groups with nothing more than machetes and clubs.
100,000-200,000 in Rwanda alone...
blacklabel
03-01-2014, 14:31
Hasn't this happened (20+ body count) in knife attacks in China before?
Hasn't this happened (20+ body count) in knife attacks in China before?
There were a bumch of hammer attacks.
ChunkyMonkey
03-01-2014, 14:54
Hasn't this happened (20+ body count) in knife attacks in China before?
Japan too
HBARleatherneck
03-01-2014, 15:00
22 children were stabbed at a school in China same day as the newtown shooting here.
March 2010 8 children murdered with knife at elementary school in China.
April 2010 16 students and a teacher wounded by dirtbag with knife.
April 2010 28 students and two teachers wounded and a security guard. children were mostly age 4.
April 2010 dickhead goes after preschool children with hammer and injures them. then sets his own ass on fire.
May 2010
I cant keep typing it, check the link. There are evil people everywhere. guns or no guns, knives or no knives, evil exists and will always exist.
March 2010 Main article: Nanping school massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanping_school_massacre)
On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-sohu_fujianxiongshaan-7) 41, murdered eight children with a knife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanping_school_stabbings) in an elementary school in Nanping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanping),[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-BODEEN_AP-8) Fujian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujian) province;[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-FlorCruz_china.attacks-9) The attack was widely reported in Chinese media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China) (called 南平实验小学重大凶杀案),[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-sohu_fujianxiongshaan-7) sparking fears of copycat crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crimes).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-FlorCruz_china.attacks-9) Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-BODEEN_AP-8) Media reported a history of mental health issues, but police stated that Zheng had no history of mental illness, contradicting earlier reports. Zheng said that he performed the attack after being turned down by a girl and suffering "unfair treatment" from the girl's wealthy family.
April 2010 Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-SKY_CANAVES-10) in Leizhou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leizhou),[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-beyond_tragic-11) Guangdong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong) another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-psychiatric_check-12) at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-FlorCruz_china.attacks-9) Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou, but was on sick leave due to mental illness[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-psychiatric_check-12)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-13) He was sentenced to death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment) by a court in Zhanjiang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhanjiang) in June.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-sentenced_to_death-14)
On April 29 in Taixing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taixing),[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-BODEEN_AP-8) Jiangsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiangsu), unemployed 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-28_kindergarten-15) and stabbed 28 students and two teachers after stabbing the security guard;[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-FlorCruz_china.attacks-9) most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-Al_Jazeera_April_29-16) The attack was the second in China in just two days.
On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weifang),[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-BODEEN_AP-8) Shandong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandong), then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-FlorCruz_china.attacks-9)
May 2010 An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanzhong), Shaanxi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaanxi) on May 12, 2010;[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-BODEEN_AP-8) early reports were removed from the internet in China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China), for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-BODEEN_AP-8)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-leaves_9_dead-17) The attacker later committed suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide) at his house; he was the landlord of the school,[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-EDWARD_WONG-18) Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-EDWARD_WONG-18)
On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology (海南科技职业学院), a vocational college (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_college) in Haikou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haikou), Hainan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan), more than 10 men[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-College_students_stabbed-19) charged into a dormitory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dormitory) wielding knives around 2:30 am;[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-Says_13_Hurt-20) after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously.[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-Says_13_Hurt-20) The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge) and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-dormitory_rampage-21)
August 2010 On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindergarten) in Zibo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zibo), Shandong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandong) province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime. There was no known motive.[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-New_attacks_on_Chinese_schools-22) Since the start of the year, a total of 27 people had died and at least 80 were injured in various knife attacks.
August 2011 Eight children, all aged four or five,[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-8_toddlers-23) were hurt in Minhang District (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minhang_District), Shanghai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai) when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_workers) slashed the children who were 3 to 4 years old with a box-cutter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-cutter).[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-asia-pacific_14706819-24) The woman had worked there for years, but was thought to have psychiatric problems.
September 2011 In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gongyi),[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-asia-pacific_14909839-25) Henan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henan) by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-asiapcf_9_14-26) Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-Chinese_Street-27) The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-content_23411291-28)
December 2012 Main article: Chenpeng Village Primary School stabbing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing)
On 14 December 2012, a 36 year-old villager in the village of Chenpeng, Henan Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henan), stabbed 23 children and an elderly woman at the village's primary school as children were arriving for classes.[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-29) The attacker was restrained at the school, and later arrested.[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-30) All of the victims survived and were treated at three hospitals, though some were reportedly seriously injured, with fingers or ears cut off, and had to be transferred to larger hospitals for specialized care.[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29#ci te_note-31)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29
UrbanWolf
03-01-2014, 15:13
This might be the largest number of death so far. Ninja attack?
100,000-200,000 in Rwanda alone...
All on Clinton's watch because they "didn't want another Somalia." Something to the effect of 800% more efficient killing in a short period of time than Hitler during the holocaust. That too could have been stopped, by men with guns from Belgium and Canada who were there when it all went down!
This might be the largest number of death so far. Ninja attack?
Religion of Peace. They don't like the Han moving into their area.
All on Clinton's watch because they "didn't want another Somalia." Something to the effect of 800% more efficient killing in a short period of time than Hitler during the holocaust. That too could have been stopped, by men with guns from Belgium and Canada who were there when it all went down!
I guess I just don't see the U.S. as being on the hook to solve or prevent every atrocity in the world. I personally don't consider either Somalia or Rwanda as being worth a single American life. Best that we deal with our problems and let them deal with theirs.
10mm-man
03-01-2014, 19:52
This might be the largest number of death so far. Ninja attack?
Nope! Said it was radicals from: The region is home to a large Muslim Uighur minority .
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570996/At-27-dead-109-injured-gang-knife-wielding-men-attack-train-station-China.html#ixzz2ulUhadt9
Does it surprise you it was Muslims?
HoneyBadger
03-01-2014, 20:10
Maybe they should ban people. Yep, "people" seems to be the common factor at play in all of these stabbings.
[facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm]
I guess I just don't see the U.S. as being on the hook to solve or prevent every atrocity in the world. I personally don't consider either Somalia or Rwanda as being worth a single American life. Best that we deal with our problems and let them deal with theirs.
Meh, not sure about Somalia, but you can't pretend that Rwanda wasn't genocide. And considering a little known fact- Clinton inaugurated the National Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., just 8 short months prior to Rwanda and in his speech he claimed "Never again." That's the thing that irks me... not so much that we should get involved all the time, but if you're going to make a claim like that, then in less than a year not follow through, that's pretty low. I think we have a moral obligation to prevent genocide if possible, such as the stationing of UN troops in the country in question, who were ordered to not get involved. What a great message that sends...
Sorry for the derail.
speedysst
03-01-2014, 21:14
100,000-200,000 in Rwanda alone...
Actually, in roughly 100 days it was closer to 800,000 people killed. Pres Clinton and the UN were unwilling to intervene. The PBS documentary "Ghosts of Rwanda" was very informative. Whether or not the US should have intervened I'll go with "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Death toll is now up to 33 and there were 130 injured.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/01/knife-men-china-train-station/5924345/
and people think that once all the guns are gone all will be good in America. [facepalm]
Things much worse than that had happened in China. In 2001, one man murder 108 people in just one night:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shijiazhuang_bombings
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2001-04-29-bombing.htm
Which is my favorite story to share with my American friends who believe in gun control. I still believe that if he had guns, he would have killed many less, because among the 108 killed he really wanted to murder about 20 of them. I believe the lack of firearm made him more desperate. But that's just my speculation.
However I don't agree with the title "A couple of people with guns could of stopped this". If there's a chance that a couple of civilians in the train station would carry guns then the attackers, who apparently had planned very carefully, wouldn't choose to use knives in the first place.
They obviously need stricter knife control like the british have.
I don't know about UK, but during the 2008 Olympic games, valid ID is required to buy kitchen knife in Beijing.
However I don't agree with the title "A couple of people with guns could of stopped this". If there's a chance that a couple of civilians in the train station would carry guns then the attackers, who apparently had planned very carefully, wouldn't choose to use knives in the first place.
I think it's a better illustration of the illusion that killings are the fault of "guns". Getting rid of a tool, does not rid the evil that is a part of humankind.
I guess it makes people feel better that they think they are 'doing something' for their safety. It doesn't force them to come to the reality that their expectation of safety in the world that we live in is a false hope and defies natural law.
rockhound
03-03-2014, 08:38
However I don't agree with the title "A couple of people with guns could of stopped this". If there's a chance that a couple of civilians in the train station would carry guns then the attackers, who apparently had planned very carefully, wouldn't choose to use knives in the first place.
Gman did you notice his profile???
newb from boulder HMMM. I hate to be the one to harp on stereotypes, but this statement sure seems to fall in line with what we have come to expect from a boulderite. Disclaimer: I may be way off base.......
There are plenty of instances where the shooter, when confronted with security or private individuals who were properly armed with guns, gave themselves up or killed themsleves rather than continue their rampage.
The arapahoe high schooler and the mall shooter in Portland were the latest that come to mind.
this recent thread is of a 7 News story that ran recently about private individuals who defended themselves with their guns.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/126747-7-News-Reports-on-Firearms-Used-in-Self-Defense
These people were completely unarmed. Does that not also seems to be the SOP of these types of attacks. Whether the perp has a gun or ten ninjas with blades they never attack people who would be able to defend themselves.
The ststement that a few poeple on this train with concealed carry permits or hell even a law abiding citizen with a knife of his own may very well have made a difference.
I am not looking to start a fight, but you are way off base.
Gman did you notice his profile???
newb from boulder HMMM. I hate to be the one to harp on stereotypes, but this statement sure seems to fall in line with what we have come to expect from a boulderite. Disclaimer: I may be way off base.......
I merely pointed out that the assumption that the attackers would keep using knives when civilians could be armed was wrong. The place I happen to live at had nothing to do with the validity of my reasoning. And, as to what Gman said, I actually totally agree with it.
There are plenty of instances where the shooter, when confronted with security or private individuals who were properly armed with guns, gave themselves up or killed themsleves rather than continue their rampage.
In this instance, 4 of the attackers were shot dead by an armed police officer. They kept charging at the officer after he had fired two warning shots, with only knives in their hands. So they didn't look like the kind who would give up or kill themselves.
Meh, not sure about Somalia, but you can't pretend that Rwanda wasn't genocide.
I'm not pretending squat. What I'm saying is that I don't think genocide in a far off land by group A vs group B is worth billions of U.S. dollars and countless lives of American citizens to stop it. Should we sacrifice some of ours to save a bunch of theirs? That's not a bargain you'll ever sell me on.
The world isn't a fair place. Was not, is not, won't be. Sure there have been genocides, and there will continue to be genocides well into the future, humans are animals and will remain so.
If you really want to go help oppressed people in foreign lands, there are a great many flights leaving DIA every single day that will take you there. My mother-in-law returned from Kigali last week and apparently they still need a fair bit of help in Rwanda, I'd suggest you get right on that.
what gun is this?
41653
Looks like a Type 79
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