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BREATHER
03-04-2014, 13:20
I was planning on learning how to distill alchohol for when the shit hits the fan, you know for fuel and possible consumption....It is freaking illegal to distill alchohol in this pussified state BUT you can grow weed... WTF ... Of course I am cancelling my plan because I am a law abiding citizen.......bwahahahahaha
It is illegal to distill alcohol in all 50 pussified states.
Sharpienads
03-04-2014, 13:41
It's only illegal if you get caught... kinda....
It is also illegal to grow pot depending on who you ask.
thvigil11
03-04-2014, 13:46
Illegal to distill for consumption. Not illegal to distill for fuel or scientific purposes. Playing with grey areas here, but just wanted to clear up that point
buffalobo
03-04-2014, 13:48
First rule of Whiskey Club.
Lobbed from my electronic ball and chain
thvigil11
03-04-2014, 13:51
I should clarify. Fuel meaning alcohol based, not ethanol. Making ethanol is illegal, Other fuels, methanol, alcohol, etc are good to go.
Hmm. I thought it was just illegal to distill and distribute, but it was ok for personal consumption?
Illegal to distill for consumption. Not illegal to distill for fuel or scientific purposes. Playing with grey areas here, but just wanted to clear up that point
Without a permit from TTB it is illegal to have any ethanol in your still regardless of intended use. TTB.gov has forms for the permits you need. No grey areas in the case of ethanol in a still. You can own a still, but only for water or essential oils.
10mm-man
03-04-2014, 13:54
Distill if you want to, not a felony nor misdemeanor : http://www.clawhammersupply.com/blogs/moonshine-still-blog/7269700-is-it-legal-to-make-moonshine-in-colorado
If this is wrong please let me know...
Without a permit from TTB it is illegal to have any ethanol in your still regardless of intended use. TTB.gov has forms for the permits you need. No grey areas in the case of ethanol in a still. You can own a still, but only for water or essential oils.
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Distill if you want to, not a felony nor misdemeanor : http://www.clawhammersupply.com/blogs/moonshine-still-blog/7269700-is-it-legal-to-make-moonshine-in-colorado
If this is wrong please let me know...
It is still illegal under federal law even if it is only a petty offense under Colorado law.
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It is still illegal under federal law even if it is only a petty offense under Colorado law.
I wonder if the ATF has been given the same directives the DEA has been regarding state laws that conflict. :)
clodhopper
03-04-2014, 14:24
http://homedistiller.org/intro/legal
I was planning on learning how to distill alchohol for when the shit hits the fan, you know for fuel and possible consumption....It is freaking illegal to distill alchohol in this pussified state BUT you can grow weed... WTF ... Of course I am cancelling my plan because I am a law abiding citizen.......bwahahahahaha
Good one.
I love when people give out wrong information about this.. Distilling, FOR ANY REASON, without paying the tax-man and satisfying his rules is a federal no-no..
Under Federal rules administered by TTB, it depends on how you use the still. You may not produce alcohol with these stills unless you qualify as a distilled spirits plant (see earlier question). However, owning a small still and using it for other purposes is allowed. You should also check with your State and local authorities - their rules may differ.
A still is defined as apparatus capable of being used to separate ethyl alcohol from a mixture that contains alcohol. Small stills (with a cubic distilling capacity of a gallon or less) that are used for laboratory purposes or for distilling water or other non-alcoholic materials are exempt from our rules. If you buy a small still and use it to distill water or extract essential oils by steam or water extraction methods, you are not subject to TTB requirements. If you produce essential oils by a solvent method and you get alcohol as a by-product of your process, we consider that distilling. Even though you are using and recovering purchased alcohol, you are separating the alcohol from a mixture -distilling.
and
You may not produce spirits for beverage purposes without paying taxes and without prior approval of paperwork to operate a distilled spirits plant. [See 26 U.S.C. 5601 (http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t26t28+1770+0++%28%29%2 0%20A) &5602 (http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t26t28+1771+0++%28%29%2 0%20A) for some of the criminal penalties.] There are numerous requirements that must be met that also make it impractical to produce spirits for personal or beverage use. Some of these requirements are paying special tax (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_49.htm), filing an extensive application (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_151.htm), filing a bond (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_231.htm), providing adequate equipment (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_277.htm) to measure spirits, providing suitable tanks (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_273.htm) and pipelines (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_274.htm), providing a separate building (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_131.htm) (other than a dwelling) and maintaining detailed records (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_732.htm), and filing reports (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_792.htm). All of these requirements are listed in 27 CFR Part 19 (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/27cfrpart019.htm).
Spirits may be produced for non-beverage purposes for fuel use only without payment of tax, but you also must file an application, (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_910.htm) receive TTB's approval (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_911.htm), and follow requirements, such as construction (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_965.htm), use, (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_995.htm)records (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_982.htm) and reports (http://www.ttb.gov/spirits/regs/19_988.htm).
SamuraiCO
03-04-2014, 16:15
For SHTF keep it simple. Beers, honey mead, wine. Many ingrediants last a long time and can be stored ahead of time.
Understand the process to distill you don't have to put one together. It is possible to have parts because they have multiple uses. Distilling wines and setting aside again makes your brandies.
Don't forget about those pretty poppies you can grow in your garden.
hollohas
03-04-2014, 17:11
I should clarify. Fuel meaning alcohol based, not ethanol. Making ethanol is illegal, Other fuels, methanol, alcohol, etc are good to go.
Ethanol IS alcohol. In fact, in common practice when people say "alcohol" (meaning for consumption) they are actually referring to ethanol. Ethanol is short for Ethyl alcohol and is only one type of alcohol. Scientifically, "alcohol" is a more generic term for a class of organic compounds. Fuel ethanol (E85) is basically the same shit you drink but it's been distilled to a lower water content and denatured by adding it to gasoline.
You can only distill ethanol at home for fuel if you have permits and it must be denatured. ANY distillation of ethanol at home without permits is illegal...in all 50 states.
thvigil11
03-04-2014, 17:30
Well. I learned something new today. I humbly withdraw my previous thoughts. Good thing I've never engaged in said activities. [mop]
A quote from a favorite shirt of mine..
41685
JustAGuy
03-04-2014, 19:54
Concealed is Concealed.
osok-308
03-04-2014, 20:13
Ethanol IS alcohol. In fact, in common practice when people say "alcohol" (meaning for consumption) they are actually referring to ethanol. Ethanol is short for Ethyl alcohol and is only one type of alcohol. Scientifically, "alcohol" is a more generic term for a class of organic compounds. Fuel ethanol (E85) is basically the same shit you drink but it's been distilled to a lower water content and denatured by adding it to gasoline.
You can only distill ethanol at home for fuel if you have permits and it must be denatured. ANY distillation of ethanol at home without permits is illegal...in all 50 states.
Thank you for that. I was about to step in and say something until I saw your post.
And once again the Google is strong, but the phone call is weak. Have a nice day.
Badger
GilpinGuy
03-04-2014, 23:29
Funny how it's legal to grow and possess something that has only one use, which is intoxication - recreational weed.
But making something that you can have a drink or two of with basically no effect at all is illegal - whiskey. Yes, you can get intoxicated with it as well, but not always.
Frankly, I don't give a shit if you do either one as long as you don't cause anyone else harm. The only "harm" of making your own whiskey is the gov doesn't get it's beloved taxes.
Still waiting for the list of other uses for Whiskey.
Still waiting for the list of other uses for Whiskey.
numbing agent for personal civil war surgery reenactments [ROFL1]
Frankly, I don't give a shit if you do either one as long as you don't cause anyone else harm. The only "harm" of making your own whiskey is the gov doesn't get it's beloved taxes.
The very first tax in this union of states was a tax on the making of alcohol. Without it we would have never paid for that thing called the Revolutionary War.
Limited GM
03-05-2014, 16:28
numbing agent for personal civil war surgery reenactments [ROFL1]
WIN!
Colorado_Outback
03-05-2014, 17:26
Still waiting for the list of other uses for Whiskey.
It cures AIDS! duh.
You cannot mix whiskey and pot.
It's on the internet, read it believe it.
Funny how it's legal to grow and possess something that has only one use, which is intoxication - recreational weed.
But making something that you can have a drink or two of with basically no effect at all is illegal - whiskey. Yes, you can get intoxicated with it as well, but not always.
Frankly, I don't give a shit if you do either one as long as you don't cause anyone else harm. The only "harm" of making your own whiskey is the gov doesn't get it's beloved taxes.
Marijuana has medicinal purposes, though. How many positive effects does whiskey have, besides sterilization?
Marijuana has medicinal purposes, though. How many positive effects does whiskey have, besides sterilization?
Umm some people use it as an anti depressant...
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Umm some people use it as an anti depressant...
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Same for MJ.
My grandma used to rub on our gums when teething. Was told it worked.
There is evidence that whiskey has been a component of much fertilization as well as sterilization. [Beer][bad-banana][Queen][Help]
It's also helps with self esteem by helping white people dance and impress people
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The oponions of people who don't/haven't EVER used pot, rank right next to those who have NEVER owned/used a gun.
The oponions of people who don't/haven't EVER used pot, rank right next to those who have NEVER owned/used a gun.
Have to agree with that to a degree
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BREATHER
03-06-2014, 12:50
Well then, for the efficiendos of MJ, which of you(and you know who you are) answer truthfully when buying a gun from a dealer(GUN DEALER) lolbwahahah. I know one guy that let his medical card expire so he could buy a gun, his words not mine...
Colorado_Outback
03-06-2014, 13:07
Well then, for the efficiendos of MJ, which of you(and you know who you are) answer truthfully when buying a gun from a dealer(GUN DEALER) lolbwahahah. I know one guy that let his medical card expire so he could buy a gun, his words not mine...
Probably about the same percentage as those who knowingly abuse alcohol and check NO on the question right above it.
Colorado_Outback
03-06-2014, 13:10
The oponions of people who don't/haven't EVER used pot, rank right next to those who have NEVER owned/used a gun.
Drugs are bad MMMMMKKK.
Nancy told me so!
http://cdn.history.com/sites/4/2013/05/305450554first-ladies-reagan.jpg
Don't anyone twist my words on this either. Just because domeone doesn't use meth, doesn't make their opinion on possibly being effected by people who do less valid.
sportbikeco
03-06-2014, 14:00
Well then, for the efficiendos of MJ, which of you(and you know who you are) answer truthfully when buying a gun from a dealer(GUN DEALER) lolbwahahah. I know one guy that let his medical card expire so he could buy a gun, his words not mine...
Having a current MMJ licence does not mean you won't pass the CBI check.
Having a current MMJ licence does not mean you won't pass the CBI check.
But if you falsify the 4473 by answering no to " Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug?", you have just committed a federal felony. Chances of being prosecuted for such are virtually nil, but as long as MJ is still illegal on a federal level, having a red card pretty much rules out the purchase of a firearm.
I haven't been around the stuff for twenty plus years, but since the use of the product is legal in Colorado, it seems it would be easy to sign it since it's not unlawful nor are they addicted. It is a state background check now and the pot is legal in the state.
I haven't been around the stuff for twenty plus years, but since the use of the product is legal in Colorado, it seems it would be easy to sign it since it's not unlawful nor are they addicted. It is a state background check now and the pot is legal in the state.
The Feds don't care if Colorado thinks it's legal.
http://www.atf.gov/files/press/releases/2011/09/092611-atf-open-letter-to-all-ffls-marijuana-for-medicinal-purposes.pdf
OPEN LETTER TO ALL FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received a number of inquiries regarding the
use of marijuana for medicinal purposes1 and its applicability to Federal firearms laws. The purpose of this open
letter is to provide guidance on the issue and to assist you, a Federal firearms licensee, in complying with Federal
firearms laws and regulations.
A number of States have passed legislation allowing under State law the use or possession of marijuana for
medicinal purposes, and some of these States issue a card authorizing the holder to use or possess marijuana under
State law. During a firearms transaction, a potential transferee may advise you that he or she is a user of medical
marijuana, or present a medical marijuana card as identification or proof of residency.
As you know, Federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3), prohibits any person who is an "unlawful user of or addicted to
any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802))" from
shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition. Marijuana is listed in the Controlled
Substances Act as a Schedule 1 controlled substance, and there are no exceptions in Federal law for marijuana
purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State law. Further, Federal law, 18
U.S.C. § 922(d)(3), makes it unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to
any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person is an unlawful user of or addicted to a
controlled substance. As provided by 27 C.F.R. § 478.11, vian inference of current use may be drawn from evidence
of a recent use or possession of a controlled substance or a pattern of use or possession that reasonably covers the
present time."
Therefore, any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her State has passed
legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled
substance, and is prohibited by Federal law from possessing firearms or ammunition. Such persons should answer
"yes" to question 11 .e. on ATF Form 4473 (August 2008), Firearms Transaction Record, and you may not transfer
firearms or ammunition to them. Further, if you are aware that the potential transferee is in possession of a card
authorizing the possession and use of marijuana under State law, then you have "reasonable cause to believe" that
the person is an unlawful user of a controlled substance. As such, you may not transfer firearms or ammunition to
the person, even if the person answered "no" to question 1 I.e. on ATF Form 4473.
ATF is committed to assisting you in complying with Federal firearms laws. If you have any questions, please
contact ATFs Firearms Industry Programs Branch at (202) 648-7190.
Arthur Herbert
Assistant Director
Enforcement Programs and Services
1 The Federal government does not recognize marijuana as a medicine. The FDA has determined that marijuana has a high potential for abuse,
has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and lacks an accepted level of safety for use under medical supervision.
See 66 Fed, Reg. 20052 (2001). This Open Letter will use the terms "medical use" or "for medical purposes" with the understanding that such
use is not sanctioned by the federal agency charged with determining what substances are safe and effective as medicines.
That's pretty clear. I've always thought red cards were about getting stoned, not usually used as real medicine. If marijuana is considered real medicine,and you can't use it and own weapons, then doesn't it follow that anyone with a prescription for mind altering painkillers, antidepressant..,, also shouldn't be able to purchase?
Probably about the same percentage as those who knowingly abuse alcohol and check NO on the question right above it.
http://i.imgur.com/eg55xIS.jpg
I find if curious that they chose to keep the language about being addicted to marijuana, when ANY use is prohibited. Seems overwritten. Is that to catch people in "rehab" for a substance as well?
That's pretty clear. I've always thought red cards were about getting stoned, not usually used as real medicine. If marijuana is considered real medicine,and you can't use it and own weapons, then doesn't it follow that anyone with a prescription for mind altering painkillers, antidepressant..,, also shouldn't be able to purchase?
If one is "an illegal user of OR addicted to" any of those, they are technically barred from purchasing or owning firearms or ammo. A legal prescription for a controlled substance does not carry any such penalty. Because MJ is a schedule 1 controlled substance, there is NO legal prescriptions.
GilpinGuy
03-07-2014, 04:19
Marijuana has medicinal purposes, though. How many positive effects does whiskey have, besides sterilization?
I wrote "recreational weed" in my post Ridge. Medicinal pot is another story entirely.
Recreational pot has one and only one use: to get high. No more "positive effect" than getting drunk IMHO.
On many occasions I've had a Crown and Coke with dinner and didn't get drunk, but it tasted damn good. Can't really smoke pot recreationally and not get high. I mean, that's why you smoke for "recreation" to begin with. Nobody takes a tiny hit to taste it and says, "Yummy, that tasted so good. That's enough though."
Of course people drink whiskey to get drunk recreationally. Just like people smoke pot to get high recreationally. Same thing to me. It's the hypocrisy of letting people grow pot but not distill whiskey that bugs me. My libertarian side seeping out I guess.
Again, I have no problem with folks smoking to get high as long as nobody else is affected (kids exposed, driving stoned, etc.). Just like drinking.
FWIW, I grew lots of the shit years ago (never sold it BTW) and smoked way too much when it wasn't legal. Not proud of it now, but ya know, age and wisdom and all that :). I haven't smoked for many years but I'm no anti-legalization zealot, that's for sure.
Whiskey, Women, fast cars.
Never heard a cool phrase for pot heads
Never heard a cool phrase for pot heads
They're working on it...as soon as they find the time...after they finish up their bag of funyons.
Again, I have no problem with folks smoking to get high as long as nobody else is affected (kids exposed, driving stoned, etc.). Just like drinking.
FWIW, I grew lots of the shit years ago (never sold it BTW) and smoked way too much when it wasn't legal. Not proud of it now, but ya know, age and wisdom and all that :). I haven't smoked for many years but I'm no anti-legalization zealot, that's for sure.
Thanks for clearing that up. There ARE people that take a single hit of pot and no more. Not many though.
Whiskey, Women, fast cars.
Never heard a cool phrase for pot heads
Gas, grass, or ass? Only one I can think of.
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