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Ah Pook
03-06-2014, 23:03
Almost as good as the guy who wants to sue his rescuers. [Roll1]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/06/us/california-drunken-gambler-las-vegas-casino/

'I am not a sore loser,' says gambler suing Vegas casino after losing $500K

A California man who lost $500,000 at blackjack and pai gow is suing a new Las Vegas casino, alleging he was too drunk to be allowed to gamble over a 17-hour period just before Super Bowl weekend. Mark A. Johnston of Ventura, California, is claiming he shouldn't have to pay the Downtown Grand Las Vegas Hotel & Casino the $500,000 debt because employees served him so much alcohol that he suffered a blackout and was unable to remember the losses or even his gambling, the lawsuit alleges.
In an interview Thursday with CNN, Johnston contended he was plied with liquor and victimized in an old-time hustle.
"Just picture a drunk walking the street and he's drunk, and someone pickpockets and takes his money from him. That's how I characterize it," Johnston said. "I feel like it's the days of old Vegas, the way they've been extorting me with letters and attorneys."
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140306152952-dnt-nv-man-sues-casino-00000107-story-body.jpg'Blackout' drunk sues casino over $500K
The casino, which opened last November, declined to comment on the lawsuit, citing pending litigation, said spokeswoman Nicole Neal.
Johnston said that he's not being a bad loser.
"I am not a sore loser. I've lost half a million. I've lost 800,000. I've lost a lot of money. This has nothing to do with that," the veteran gambler said. "Obviously I can afford what I lost."
Johnston, 52, a former owner of a Los Angeles car dealership, was standing beside his $250,000 Mercedes-Benz as he insisted his lawsuit was about a bigger issue.
"This is about you almost killing me," Johnston said. "What if I had gone to bed that night, with all those drinks in me, and I threw up on myself and I choked and died?"
Johnston acknowledged some responsibility for his drinking -- as many as 20 drinks while gambling over 17 hours on top of about 10 drinks before even stepping into the casino.
"My responsibility is, look, I had some drinks at the airport, on the plane. At some point, that's my responsibility," Johnston said. "The unfortunate part about it for them is, they have a bigger responsibility than I do."
Johnston was referring to how the casino must follow Nevada laws on how complimentary drinks are given to gamblers.
In fact, the Nevada Gaming Control Board is now investigating the Downtown Grand, formerly the Lady Luck Casino, on whether it violated gaming regulations, said Karl Bennison, chief of the board's enforcement division.
Those regulations prohibit casinos from "permitting persons who are visibly intoxicated to participate in gaming activity" and from providing "complimentary service of intoxicating beverages in the casino area to persons who are visibly intoxicated."
"We are investigating this thoroughly," Bennison said. "We are aware of this matter. We'll see if there are regulation violations."
The casino could face a license revocation or fines or both if the violations are substantiated, Bennison said.
Neal, the casino spokeswoman, also declined to comment about the state investigation.
Johnston, a frequent gambler in Las Vegas, had always been a cash player at casinos and was never issued a line of credit more than $25,000. Still, in the past 10 years, he had never drawn on any casino line of credit, the lawsuit said. He worked in real estate and car sales and was the owner of a Mercedes-Benz dealership in west Los Angeles.
During Super Bowl weekend, however, he and a female friend flew from the Burbank, California, airport to Las Vegas, and he had consumed several alcoholic drinks by the time the couple ate dinner at a restaurant run by the Downtown Grand Casino, according to a sequence of events described in the lawsuit.
At dinner, Johnston was visibly drunk, which was also observed by an old friend, a law professor at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas who joined the pair for dinner.
Johnston was so inebriated that he had no recollection of leaving the restaurant onJanuary 30 or the subsequent 44 hours, when he gambled in the casino and took out markers totaling $500,000.
He lost all that money at the Chinese domino game pai gow and at a private blackjack table during 17 hours of uninterrupted gambling and drinking, until the late afternoon of the following day.
Johnston takes prescribed medication that increases the intoxicating effects of alcohol, and a casino host who invited Johnston to the Downtown Grand was aware of Johnston's use of the medication, the suit alleged.
"Mr. Johnston, an experienced gambler, was dropping chips on the floor, confusing chip colors, and slurring his speech badly, and he was unable to read his cards or set his hands properly," the lawsuit said.
"To her shock, after sleeping for seven to eight hours, (Johnston's female friend) found Mr. Johnston still gambling at the blackjack table, and still heavily intoxicated, late in the afternoon of January 31, 2014," the suit said.
The suit recounts how Johnston took out two lines of credit for $100,000 each in the span of 21 minutes after 2 a.m. on January 31.
By 10:52 a.m., Johnston had taken out a third marker, for $50,000. Almost two hours later, he signed another marker for $250,000, the suit said.
Johnston lost it all. Moreover, the casino allegedly reneged on providing Johnston with a 20% discount on repaying the $500,000, which would have reduced the debt to $400,000, the lawsuit claimed. The casino also allegedly demanded that Johnston repay the $500,000 debt 46 days early, before a March 31 deadline, said the lawsuit, which was filed in February.
In the days after losing the $500,000, Johnston went to the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, one of his preferred Las Vegas gaming destinations, but a Downtown Grand representative called the Hard Rock and told them of Johnston's debt, cautioning them about doing business with Johnston and "sullying Mr. Johnston's good name in the process," the lawsuit said.
The lawsuit seeks to nullify the gambling losses and seeks compensatory as well as punitive damages "in an amount sufficient to deter the Downtown Grand from similar conduct in the future," the suit said.

hghclsswhitetrsh
03-06-2014, 23:07
Eh I'm not responsible for my actions either. What's the problem here?

buffalobo
03-06-2014, 23:11
Too bad Darwin keeps getting cheated.

zteknik
03-06-2014, 23:31
Sooo if we loose our jobs can we sue too???[facepalm]

GilpinGuy
03-07-2014, 03:37
Those regulations prohibit casinos from "permitting persons who are visibly intoxicated to participate in gaming activity" and from providing "complimentary service of intoxicating beverages in the casino area to persons who are visibly intoxicated."

This is almost word for word what the Colorado law is. And it is STRICTLY enforced here. Get caught over-serving and you're in deep do-do. Vegas has the reputation of "If you can stand and place your own bets, you can gamble". I'm not sure how well the actual "regulation" is enforced there in general. From my visits there, it not enforced very well.

The key words are "visibly intoxicated". Some hardcore alcoholics can appear pretty damn straight when they're three sheets. I know more than a few Colorado cocktail waitresses and bartenders who were fired from casinos, and casinos that were fined HEAVILY, for over-serving in Black Hawk. It will be interesting to see how this case shakes out. The surveillance videos will be key.

I am not making any excuses for this guy. He made bad decisions. He should pay for them, IMO. But the law has a different perspective.

Think about this: what if the guy won 2 million dollars off of his markers while shit-faced. Can you imagine the casino suing, saying "Hey, our bad. We shouldn't have let him gamble to begin with. We want our money back" Not a chance.

ZERO THEORY
03-07-2014, 07:06
-Get drunk
-Knock up a barfly
-Sue her because you were too loaded to realize she was so sloppy
-???
-Profit?

Bailey Guns
03-07-2014, 08:28
Sooo if we loose our jobs can we sue too???[facepalm]

Only if you lost your job because you were too drunk to work.

glock74
03-07-2014, 10:23
Too bad maybe he won't drink when he gambles now.

tmleadr03
03-07-2014, 13:12
Clearly not the loosest slots.


Probably should have kept a tighter grip on his money.

spqrzilla
03-07-2014, 13:54
That loser sure looks familiar.

Colorado_Outback
03-07-2014, 15:11
"At dinner, Johnston was visibly drunk, which was also observed by an old friend, a law professor at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas who joined the pair for dinner."

"In the days after losing the $500,000, Johnston went to the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, one of his preferred Las Vegas gaming destinations, but a Downtown Grand representative called the Hard Rock and told them of Johnston's debt, cautioning them about doing business with Johnston and "sullying Mr. Johnston's good name in the process," the lawsuit said."

MrPrena
03-07-2014, 15:58
http://i58.tinypic.com/jayi5u.jpg

Mtn.man
03-07-2014, 16:07
Shaking head and LOL.

can't fix stupid, drunk assholes.

CHA-LEE
03-07-2014, 16:23
I want to know how you can gamble with 500K of the casino's money on "credit"......... That is the first mistake there for the casino and the gambler. If he had to keep digging into his own sack of cash to blow through 500K you would think that at some point he would notice that his sack of cash was getting a lot lighter than when it started, regardless of how drunk he was.

Colorado_Outback
03-07-2014, 16:31
So nobody here thinks that the establishment had a responsibility to cut him off when he was visibly intoxicated? Wow.

Credit is common for regulars in Vegas, I know people who will drop 100K in a weekend with out batting an eye, do that at the same casino a couple times and you get all kinds of perks.

GilpinGuy
03-07-2014, 16:37
Credit is common for regulars in Vegas, I know people who will drop 100K in a weekend with out batting an eye, do that at the same casino a couple times and you get all kinds of perks.

We have regulars who blow through $100k a weekend in Black Hawk regularly.

Aloha_Shooter
03-07-2014, 16:40
According to the law, the question will hinge on how visible his intoxication was but frankly ... I put 90% of the blame on him and his companions, maybe 95%. He brags he can afford what he lost ... so pay up and quit writing checks your body can't cash.

Colorado_Outback
03-07-2014, 16:42
We have regulars who blow through $100k a weekend in Black Hawk regularly.

Blows my mind.. Mostly because ive never had/will have money like that.

Does Blackhawk offer credit like Vegas does for High Rollers?

tmleadr03
03-07-2014, 17:01
When I worked in Vegas it was completely common for people to fly in and drop a shit ton of money at the tables.

We were changing the carpet in the casinos and this guy was playing pai gow and had to have THAT table he played on yesterday.

Not only did the casino move the table to a place for him. They cordoned it off so he wouldn't have to deal with the riff raff. He measured his ups and downs over a week of playing in the 100s of thousands. He ended his trip being down 400k. At one point he was up up 700k.

Dave_L
03-07-2014, 17:04
So nobody here thinks that the establishment had a responsibility to cut him off when he was visibly intoxicated? Wow.


Did they force him to drink those drinks or did he order them? I'm just tired of people making bad choices and then blaming them on others. I think it's crazy that a bar can be held liable if someone drinks too much in their bar and gets into a wreck on the way home. If you're old enough to drink, understand the results. It really is THAT simple. It's not everyone else's job to manage YOUR choices.

UrbanWolf
03-07-2014, 17:08
When will kids starting suing their parents for not giving them $100 a week?

Colorado_Outback
03-07-2014, 17:16
Did they force him to drink those drinks or did he order them? I'm just tired of people making bad choices and then blaming them on others. I think it's crazy that a bar can be held liable if someone drinks too much in their bar and gets into a wreck on the way home. If you're old enough to drink, understand the results. It really is THAT simple. It's not everyone else's job to manage YOUR choices.

I hear what your saying, I'm all for holding people accountable for their actions. That doesn't change the fact that the establishment has a LEGAL responsibility not to over serve patrons.
The law is what it is..

As was stated before the CCTV footage will probably tell the tale.

I think he has some legal ground to stand on, but I'm no lawyer. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Colorado_Outback
03-07-2014, 17:17
When will kids starting suing their parents for not giving them $100 a week?

Its all ready happening..
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/living/nj-teen-sues-parents-for-college-education/

Dave_L
03-07-2014, 17:28
I hear what your saying, I'm all for holding people accountable for their actions. That doesn't change the fact that the establishment has a LEGAL responsibility not to over serve patrons.
The law is what it is..

As was stated before the CCTV footage will probably tell the tale.

I think he has some legal ground to stand on, but I'm no lawyer. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Agreed, unfortunately.

I think it'll be funny to watch the kick back from this. Every casino will now watch anyone that wins big, probably look for any sign of being "too drunk" and then take their winnings away.

hatidua
03-07-2014, 17:46
I'm just tired of people making bad choices and then blaming them on others.

This is America, -it's always someone else's fault!

-spill hot coffee in your lap, file a lawsuit.
-get stuck in your car while trying to drive through a flood, file a lawsuit.
-want private college tuition, sue your parents for it.

We are litigation-happy in this country and do not consider ourselves responsible for the ills that come our way, and there are lawyers on every corner lining up to encourage it.

Get drunk in Vegas and lose more than most people earn in five years, hell, that wasn't your fault, - The Casino forced that Jack Daniels on you!

I don't gamble but don't hold it against those that do. That said, if you walk through those doors, I don't have 1oz of sympathy for any loss, no matter how great, and no matter how much alcohol you consumed, go for it!

Ah Pook
03-07-2014, 19:12
Where are the grammar police when you need them? [Peep]

Irving
03-07-2014, 19:45
Where are the grammar police when you need them? [Peep]

Wondering when someone would say something. 20 drinks in 17 hours isn't that much, but add the 7 drinks before hand and the fact that you're drinking for 17 hours straight and I can see some issues.

HOWEVER, the fact that he can remember the amount of drinks he had before and during a 17 hour period tells me he was just fine. Also, if the issue is that they over served him, why is he suing for the amount that he lost and not something else?

tmleadr03
03-07-2014, 21:16
Wondering when someone would say something. 20 drinks in 17 hours isn't that much, but add the 7 drinks before hand and the fact that you're drinking for 17 hours straight and I can see some issues.

HOWEVER, the fact that he can remember the amount of drinks he had before and during a 17 hour period tells me he was just fine. Also, if the issue is that they over served him, why is he suing for the amount that he lost and not something else?

Clearly my post was entirely too subtle.

Irving
03-07-2014, 22:23
Clearly my post was entirely too subtle.

It's just that we all know Germans don't tell jokes.

sniper7
03-07-2014, 23:43
Wondering when someone would say something. 20 drinks in 17 hours isn't that much, but add the 7 drinks before hand and the fact that you're drinking for 17 hours straight and I can see some issues.

HOWEVER, the fact that he can remember the amount of drinks he had before and during a 17 hour period tells me he was just fine. Also, if the issue is that they over served him, why is he suing for the amount that he lost and not something else?

very true, a man of that amount of money must truly believe his liver is worth more than a mere half million.

and the side note to op:
its lose, not loose.

GilpinGuy
03-08-2014, 01:59
Blows my mind.. Mostly because ive never had/will have money like that.

Does Blackhawk offer credit like Vegas does for High Rollers?

No. It is illegal to extend credit in Colorado.

Colorado_Outback
03-08-2014, 08:39
They probably just took a look at his bill and saw the # of drinks that were charged to his room.

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