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-pretty sad weekend for a whole lot of families :(
rockhound
03-09-2014, 13:14
scary stuff,
stolen passports used to board the plane, one repoprt showing that stolen passports are used to board planesd all the time.
no debris field to be found, plane just disappears.
scary stuff,
stolen passports used to board the plane, one repoprt showing that stolen passports are used to board planesd all the time.
no debris field to be found, plane just disappears.
Just read piece of debris found. Now in process of verifying.
Rooskibar03
03-09-2014, 14:26
The geniuses over at CNN were reporting "the black boxes may hold the keys to the mystery".
No shit Sherlock but you kinda need to find the plane first.
ChunkyMonkey
03-09-2014, 16:25
RIP
patrick0685
03-09-2014, 17:12
yea pretty interesting events...will be very interested as to what happened...RIP
Amazing to have a 777 disappear like that without so much as a mayday.
Wonder if it will end up being like the EgyptAir flight where the pilot decided to take his crew and passengers to meet Allah
Just gotta hope it was quick for those innocent folks. I'm amazed at the amount of flights everyday and stuff like this happens only a few times a year.
RCCrawler
03-09-2014, 19:34
Copied from another site.
Malaysia Plane Crash & Things that make you go hmmm...So apparently there were 20 people from Freescale out of Texas lost their lives in the Malaysia Jet crash today.
Bummer... that sucks!
But my 'I'm fawking bored so let's check into things' receptors went off & I started looking into what could have been happening in the company - that might have warranted dropping a 777 full of people into the sea.
Well wiki was a yawner.. at first... (ok accidents and weird coincidences happen alll the time ) but then the last line talked about this nifty new chip they just came out with - is the tiniest ever - and meant for internal use hmmm... could be interesting ... lets have a look!
Kinetis
On 26 February 2013, Freescale Semiconductor announced the creation of the world’s smallest (by size) ARM-powered chip. The Kinetis KL02 measures 1.9 by 2 millimeters and is a full microcontroller unit (MCU), meaning the chip sports a processor, RAM, ROM, clock and I/O control unit. The chip competes with the Atmel M0+ offerings, which are the low-power leaders in the industry [17] One application that Freescale says the chips could be used for is swallowable computers. Freescale already works with a variety of health and wellness customers. Both the Fitbit and OmniPod insulin pump use Freescale chips. The new chip was on display at 'Embedded World' in Nuremberg, Germany from February 26, 2013 to February 28, 2013.[18]
Holy Shit!
http://www.wired.com/design/2013/02/...-tiny-arm-chip
The creepiest part ... "Though it’s going to be available for general retail, Freescale says that the KL02 was specifically designed in response to a customer’s request. (They aren’t saying who.)"
Gosh who could possibly want an easily assimilated micro computer that keeps track of your every move, thought, and can cause your body to release or not release chemicals into your system?
To the conspiracy minded out there.. don't forget that air france disappeared without a mayday as well. A catastrophic malfunction happened, isn't the first time. Hope they all went peacefully.
sent from a soup can and some string..
HoneyBadger
03-09-2014, 21:34
Very interesting quote from the other site... Certainly makes you think.
To the conspiracy minded out there.. don't forget that air france disappeared without a mayday as well. A catastrophic malfunction happened, isn't the first time.
Air France flight 447 was an Airbus A330. Boeing builds a stronger airframe with a different operational mindset, IMO. The 777 has been one of the safest aircraft produced.
Even after a pilot error with 777 Asiana Airlines flight 214 clipping the sea wall on landing in San Francisco, only 3 fatalities and the rest of the 307 aboard survived.
Aloha_Shooter
03-10-2014, 12:20
I think def90's point is that planes can disappear without a mayday. Destructive reactions can build up without the pilot's notice -- and the pilot himself may be unable to cope with the event to the point of not issuing a mayday. You can build the strongest airframe in the world with the best autopilot software but a bad pilot can make it all irrelevant.
I am puzzled by the lack of a debris trail. It implies whatever happened not only went down fast but maintained most of the structural integrity of the aircraft (of course, the stronger airframes made by Boeing made be an element of this but recall TWA 800 had a pretty significant debris trail).
ruthabagah
03-10-2014, 12:56
I think def90's point is that planes can disappear without a mayday. Destructive reactions can build up without the pilot's notice -- and the pilot himself may be unable to cope with the event to the point of not issuing a mayday. You can build the strongest airframe in the world with the best autopilot software but a bad pilot can make it all irrelevant.
I am puzzled by the lack of a debris trail. It implies whatever happened not only went down fast but maintained most of the structural integrity of the aircraft (of course, the stronger airframes made by Boeing made be an element of this but recall TWA 800 had a pretty significant debris trail).
You are right it is puzzling too. Wings part and rudder component should be found floating since they are mostly honeycomb composites.
And about the stronger frame claim, lets not forget that the fuselage of the A330 lost in the southern atlantic was found partly intact
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Within a week of resuming of the search operation, on 3 April 2011, a team led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_Hole_Oceanographic_Institution) operating full ocean depth autonomous underwater vehicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_underwater_vehicle) (AUVs) owned by the Waitt Institute discovered, by means of sidescan sonar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidescan_sonar), a large portion of debris field from flight AF447.[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447#cite_note-stone-124)Further debris and bodies, still trapped in the partly intact remains of the aircraft's fuselage, were located in water depths of between 3,800 to 4,000 metres (2,100 to 2,200 fathoms; 12,500 to 13,100 ft) รข€‹"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
HoneyBadger
03-10-2014, 13:12
I'm going to blame Iran. That or the unions.
Is it even remotely possible that the plane did not crash and it landed intact somewhere? I know in the CONUS, we have a very good radar network where we can track everything, but over the ocean between pacific islands... not so much.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-10-2014, 13:35
Aliens.
Undocumented citizens.
Aloha_Shooter
03-10-2014, 13:49
I'm going to blame Iran. That or the unions.
Is it even remotely possible that the plane did not crash and it landed intact somewhere? I know in the CONUS, we have a very good radar network where we can track everything, but over the ocean between pacific islands... not so much.
The fact they haven't found a debris trail would have led me to emergency landing somewhere but the Vietnamese seem to imply they had it on radar and lost contact just before it entered Vietnamese air control. I would love to know what they meant by "lost contact". I imagine the searchers and investigators are going crazy over this one as well.
muddywings
03-10-2014, 14:45
I'm going to blame Iran. That or the unions.
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You might be right: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/10/malaysia-airlines-china-probe/6260177/
The fact they haven't found a debris trail would have led me to emergency landing somewhere but the Vietnamese seem to imply they had it on radar and lost contact just before it entered Vietnamese air control. I would love to know what they meant by "lost contact". I imagine the searchers and investigators are going crazy over this one as well.
I think I read that there is a theory that it turned around. If it did, then the losing contact could simply be a function of being out of range. The ocean can be mighty big...
ruthabagah
03-10-2014, 15:09
Might be a conspiracy....41909
Just read a crawl on Fox saying there investigating emp activity
Was there ever really a plane?
BPTactical
03-10-2014, 16:53
Even it the AC was gently set on the ocean there would be debris.
Even if it burned in vertically at 800 mph there would be debris.
This AC landed somewhere.
Stolen and all aboard are hostages somewhere in the m east.
This AC landed somewhere.
I agree completely. No way this thing is still flying around on one tank of gas several days later.
Big ocean. Complicated machinery. Dangerous world. I'm always surprised it doesn't happen more often. We get lulled into just how routine it is to put a few hundred tons of steel six and half miles in the sky and make it go 400 miles per hour. It is still safer than driving down I-25 during rush hour.
I'm guessing that if the plane "destructed" at altitude that there would be a large debris field and that if the plane "destructed" at point of impact with the surface of the ocean that the debris field would be limited if any..
Finding an object the size of a airliner seat in an area the size of the south china sea or pacific ocean is a lesson in futility. I actually talked to someone yesterday about this and they thought that the entire surface of the earth was under radar contact.. enough said.
sent from a soup can and some string..
Aliens.
A South China Sea triangle? I read on Saturday that they found an oil slick off the coast of Vietnam, but nothing else. It had to go somewhere... Alpha Centuari is still somewhere... [Coffee]
Might be a conspiracy....41909
Let's just hope Kate survived... [Love1]
The 2 oil slicks off the coast of Vietnam were found to be unrelated.
A Puzzle With No Pieces: What Happened to Malaysia Plane? (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/puzzle-no-pieces-what-happened-malaysia-plane-n49121)
The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is so baffling that veteran aviation investigators say they are struggling to come up with a plausible theory in the absence of any wreckage.
There are only a handful of scenarios that could explain how a usually reliable wide-body jet could seemingly vanish from a clear sky with no distress call and no obvious debris field.
And for every circumstance that would seem to support one theory, another undercuts it.
"It's a thousand-piece puzzle, and we have two pieces and we're trying to make a picture with that," said John Goglia, a former member of the National Transportation Safety Board.
"I'm totally confused, to be honest with you. Nothing makes sense."
Added former NTSB investigator Greg Feith, "You can't rule anything out at this point."
I'm going to blame Iran. That or the unions.
Is it even remotely possible that the plane did not crash and it landed intact somewhere? I know in the CONUS, we have a very good radar network where we can track everything, but over the ocean between pacific islands... not so much.
Yes, very possible.. take control of cockpit, kill the ACARS system, transponder, ELT, and fly low, it could have made it to North Korea.
HoneyBadger
03-11-2014, 09:53
The plot thickens:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311
In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.
Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.
"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.
That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.
There was no distress signal or radio contact indicating a problem and, in the absence of any wreckage or flight data, police have been left trawling through passenger and crew lists for potential leads.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-leaves-relatives-with-anger-and-phantom-phone-calls/2014/03/10/fdb78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html
One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ) that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.
A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.
Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers’ numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.
The phantom calls triggered a new level of desperation and anger for some. They tried repeatedly Sunday and Monday to ask airline and police officials about the ringing calls and QQ accounts. However unlikely it was, many thought the phones might still be on, and that if authorities just tracked them down, their relatives might be found. But they were largely ignored.
Showing that someone is online is pretty meaningless I think. It probably shows I'm viewing this site 24 hours a day for the past several years since I never turn off my main computer and browse from several different devices.
BuffCyclist
03-11-2014, 10:05
Very interesting HB. But one question comes up with that second article, why would their cell phones be on? They were on a plane and cell phones are supposed to be turned off or in airplane mode, neither of which will ring when called (it'll only go to voicemail). That makes me question if they are being held captive somewhere and some managed to hide their cell phones and turn them on. Sure, might be far fetched, but the search crews should quickly be able to rule it out by tracking them (I believe that network providers and possibly 911 have the capability of turning the GPS receiver on remotely to obtain a location).
[tinhat]
Alternatively, maybe they're being held captive and are being infected with the T-Virus (or other zombie-like state inducing virus) and then will be magically found floating at sea, rescued and returned to civilization to infect the rest of the world. [Panic]
But seriously, it's very mysterious and I hope we find out what happened to the plane!
BuffCyclist
03-11-2014, 10:06
Showing that someone is online is pretty meaningless I think. It probably shows I'm viewing this site 24 hours a day for the past several years since I never turn off my main computer and browse from several different devices.
This is also true, a lot of chat sites (Gmail, Facebook, uh, others) will still show you as active/online even hours after you've logged off or even closed the browser window).
One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ) that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.
A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.
grief-stricken family members hoping beyond hope
clodhopper
03-11-2014, 11:16
Lets see.... survived plane crash.... lost at sea..... what to do? OH YEAH! I need to update my facebook! I will get around to calling for help later.
RblDiver
03-11-2014, 11:29
I was reading somewhere that a probable explanation is the numbers were handed to the Chinese (for processing or somesuch), hence why they might be "active."
Zundfolge
03-11-2014, 12:11
Ah HA!
I KNEW it!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1371708/stolen_passport_users.jpg
Very interesting HB. But one question comes up with that second article, why would their cell phones be on? They were on a plane and cell phones are supposed to be turned off or in airplane mode, neither of which will ring when called (it'll only go to voicemail). That makes me question if they are being held captive somewhere and some managed to hide their cell phones and turn them on. Sure, might be far fetched, but the search crews should quickly be able to rule it out by tracking them (I believe that network providers and possibly 911 have the capability of turning the GPS receiver on remotely to obtain a location).
[tinhat]
Alternatively, maybe they're being held captive and are being infected with the T-Virus (or other zombie-like state inducing virus) and then will be magically found floating at sea, rescued and returned to civilization to infect the rest of the world. [Panic]
But seriously, it's very mysterious and I hope we find out what happened to the plane!
I don't turn off my cell when the plane takes off.....I'm such a rebel
HoneyBadger
03-11-2014, 12:50
I don't turn off my cell when the plane takes off.....I'm such a rebel
This... This is your fault!
This just in, passengers not turning off cell phones suspected to have caused problems with airplane electronics.
I don't turn off my cell when the plane takes off.....I'm such a rebel
On United, mobile devices are no longer required to be switched off. Airplane mode. Laptops must be off for whatever reason. Fire hazard?
On United, mobile devices are no longer required to be switched off. Airplane mode. Laptops must be off for whatever reason. Fire hazard?
If you get something that sends a signal, cell phone, wifi, whatever, it messes with the navigation instruments. Specifically when navigating off of the VOR. If you hold a device up to the VOR on the instrument panel or near the antenna it throws it completely off and makes it useless. Most planes usually navigate using GPS but some times they have to use the VORs and if someone decides to be a rebel when they do this, well, you better hope you are not flying a VOR approach to minimums in bad weather.
On United, mobile devices are no longer required to be switched off. Airplane mode. Laptops must be off for whatever reason. Fire hazard?
Yea I just flew United like 2 weeks ago they didn't care about laptops either(even thought they said there supposed to be off) the girl sitting next to me had a huge one with like a 20" screen interneting the whole flight
If you get something that sends a signal, cell phone, wifi, whatever, it messes with the navigation instruments. Specifically when navigating off of the VOR. If you hold a device up to the VOR on the instrument panel or near the antenna it throws it completely off and makes it useless. Most planes usually navigate using GPS but some times they have to use the VORs and if someone decides to be a rebel when they do this, well, you better hope you are not flying a VOR approach to minimums in bad weather.
Proof and reference please.
If you get something that sends a signal, cell phone, wifi, whatever, it messes with the navigation instruments. Specifically when navigating off of the VOR. If you hold a device up to the VOR on the instrument panel or near the antenna it throws it completely off and makes it useless. Most planes usually navigate using GPS but some times they have to use the VORs and if someone decides to be a rebel when they do this, well, you better hope you are not flying a VOR approach to minimums in bad weather.
No.. No it doesn't. Not in any way shape for form. I have proven this using hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of electronics in multi-million dollar labs. It is utter and complete bullshit.
Not to mention that all modern airplanes have an emergency sextant on board in case of electronics failure.
No.. No it doesn't. Not in any way shape for form. I have proven this using hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of electronics in multi-million dollar labs. It is utter and complete bullshit.
Can't tell if you are being serious or not... I guess I will say get out of the lab, and get into a cockpit.
Can't tell if you are being serious or not... I guess I will say get out of the lab, and get into a cockpit.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/cell-phones-interfere-plane-instruments.htm
They used something that was strong enough to basically microwave your brain and nothing was affected
ChunkyMonkey
03-11-2014, 13:37
Ah HA!
I KNEW it!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1371708/stolen_passport_users.jpg
In fact, they have been looking at a completely wrong location. Malaysian Military was tracking the aircraft changing direction and was flying low over the Malacca Strait.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/11/288911719/no-terror-link-seen-between-stolen-passports-missing-malaysian-jet
http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2014/03/map-malaysia-flight-zoomed-300.png
So you are telling me it is magic when I hold my cell phone up to the CDI needle in the cockpit? Not only does it interfere with the VOR, it also messes with voice communications. I had a student one time that brought his daughter along and she sat in the back seat. Coming back to the airport we were getting all sorts of interference on the comms. I turn around and look at her and she says she got bored looking out the window and is on her phone. As soon as she turns it off everything works fine. Have had plenty of other times when phones were left on and we could barely understand our clearance prior to takeoff because someone left their phone on.
Fact is electronic signals close to the instrument or antenna of the aircraft can affect Navs and Comms. I have seen it and experienced it many times in slow planes and fast planes.
Can't tell if you are being serious or not... I guess I will say get out of the lab, and get into a cockpit.
I know a pilot who flys for UPS and asked him about it awhile back. He says he has never seen any proof that it messes with anything. Only thing he has seen was when a jump seater plugged in his laptop and instrument went dead when he unplugged it all was normal.
Then again I'm not a pilot never have been nor claim to be so I'm no professional just speaking from what I've heard. But I've also heard a lot in my time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0O1_FYzbjw
It is a frustrating feeling when you are trying to get cleared for an Approach when the weather is bad and you can barely hear the controller over that sound.
How many pax on cell phones does your UPS buddy fly around?
We're not talking about cell in the cockpit, we're talking about the passenger compartment.
ChunkyMonkey
03-11-2014, 14:35
Actually, we are talking about a missing flight, damn it!!!! [Flower]
Actually, we are talking about a missing flight, damn it!!!! [Flower]
Hahaha!!
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What about a meteor strike? One in a billion chance, but it COULD happen.
Very strange stuff going on. Can be multiple things from mid air explosion, terrorist/high jacking that took the airplane to another country low level. Poor radar coverage in that area of the world. Vietnam routinely has radar outages, or no radar coverage at all.
Hopefully some sort of solid news comes out soon.
HoneyBadger
03-11-2014, 15:47
What about a meteor strike? One in a billion chance, but it COULD happen.
I think Kim Jong Un simply willed the plane to disappear.
Can't tell if you are being serious or not... I guess I will say get out of the lab, and get into a cockpit.
Absolutely serious. In a previous life we verified this for several DoD and civilian agencies. It is utter and complete bullshit.
I can make a cool device that *will* dangerously and harmfully mess with the planes electronics, comms and nav systems. But it won't be a common phone, laptop, or tablet.
NFATrustGuy
03-11-2014, 16:17
Hey Asmo...
Can you make me something that will momentarily block cell phone coverage? I'd love to be able to zap people who insist on talking on their cell phones while eating at a restaurant. I'm thinking I could just hold down a button long enough for them to drop the call. I'd do it as many times as it would take so that they go someplace else to make the call if it's really that important. Of course I won't deny that this process will undoubtedly provide hours of entertainment!
Hey Asmo...
Can you make me something that will momentarily block cell phone coverage? I'd love to be able to zap people who insist on talking on their cell phones while eating at a restaurant. I'm thinking I could just hold down a button long enough for them to drop the call. I'd do it as many times as it would take so that they go someplace else to make the call if it's really that important. Of course I won't deny that this process will undoubtedly provide hours of entertainment!
You mean something like:
Dw03eZ4QtgE
They are illegal in the US.
NFATrustGuy
03-11-2014, 16:32
You mean something like:
...Video...
They are illegal in the US.
Bummer.
But hey only illegals will have them.
Bet you can get one on east Colfax.
Rucker61
03-11-2014, 17:04
But hey only illegals will have them.
Bet you can get one on east Colfax.
Or any Hong Kong night market or electronics store.
If someone in the cockpit went rogue and commandeered the aircraft and took it to another location...it may show up again some day as a piloted missile loaded with fuel and explosives.
At over 6 miles high, those aircraft are subject to natural phenomenas that aren't limited by FCC regulations. Electronics in the cabin won't bring down a commercial airliner.
Bummer.
Doesn't mean you can't get one. Just that they are illegal.
What about that astroid?
And my mags are now illegal.
10mm-man
03-11-2014, 23:17
Cloaked it, and made it disappear: http://www.examiner.com/article/malaysia-jet-hidden-by-electronic-weaponry-20-ew-defense-linked-passengers
Malaysia jet hidden by Electronic Weaponry? 20 EW defense-linked passengers
Cloaking technology
New electronic weapons allow jamming, blinding, deafening and more, so that a plane could possibly vanish from radar detection and security systems would not be activated. Basic radar Electronic Counter-Measure strategies (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://www.spectrumsignal.com/publications/Electronic_Counter_Measures.pdf) used in electronic warfare (EW) are: 1) radar interference, 2) target modifications, and 3) changing electrical properties of air.
For example, a U.S. intelligence assessment described to The Daily Beast (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/16/israel-s-secret-iran-attack-plan-electronic-warfare.html) by current and former U.S. intelligence officials, concluded any Israeli attack on Iran would go far beyond fighter plane airstrikes and would likely deploy EW against Iran’s electric grid, Internet, cellphone network, and emergency frequencies for firemen and police officers.
ruthabagah
03-12-2014, 06:04
Faa notice: 777 fuselage crack.... bad timing.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgad.nsf/0/d91639a24674ca8f86257c920050edf7/$FILE/2014-05-03.pdf
http://youtu.be/V3eHovvwEiU
They are illegal in the US.
Also use of a cell phone during flight is illegal (federally) in the US.... So the passenger KAPA had- broke federal law, could be fined by FAA, I think that's the worst of it though. No conclusive evidence that cell phones interfere with any avionics/communication. But the FAA is probably just being cautious. So we can rule out a cell phone knocking this flight out of the air. Still, my question remains... Could it be something else is responsible? Such as:
42011
rockhound
03-13-2014, 06:01
conflicting reports that rolls royce is claiming their engines on board downloaded flight data up to 5 hours after the plane disappeared from radar.
Let's hope that lessons can be learned that help to prevent a repeat if at all possible. I cannot fathom how hard this must be for family members of those onboard.
Colorado_Outback
03-13-2014, 12:48
I would have thought a piece of equipment that expensive would have some sort of GPS/lo jack device. But I guess they dont up and go missing very often either..
rockhound
03-13-2014, 15:39
they rely on the planes transponder, but that was turned off
HoneyBadger
03-16-2014, 10:12
This article clarifies the big question that everyone wants an answer to:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html
...and the answer is a resounding "No. Nobody has a clue wtf is going on here."
One of the pilots had a flight simulator in his house? Okay.... So like Microsoft flight sim with dual monitors or what? Media is getting desperate to invent some sort of motive or connection.
I'm going to stick with my gut on this one and say Iranians are responsible, but it's unknown whether the plane had enough fuel to make it as far as Iran.
This article clarifies the big question that everyone wants an answer to:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html
...and the answer is a resounding "No. Nobody has a clue wtf is going on here."
One of the pilots had a flight simulator in his house? Okay.... So like Microsoft flight sim with dual monitors or what? Media is getting desperate to invent some sort of motive or connection.
I'm going to stick with my gut on this one and say Iranians are responsible, but it's unknown whether the plane had enough fuel to make it as far as Iran.
Perhaps, if as some experts have proposed, they killed all on-board based on the elevation maneuvers? Perhaps they then dumped the bodies over the ocean? That's what, 35k-40k pounds? Would there then be enough fuel to make that trip?
This article is really grasping....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html
'Democracy is dead': 'Fanatical' missing airliner pilot pictured wearing political slogan T-shirt as officials reveal flight MH370 could have been on the ground when last satellite signal was sent
Great-Kazoo
03-16-2014, 10:39
Perhaps, if as some experts have proposed, they killed all on-board based on the elevation maneuvers? Perhaps they then dumped the bodies over the ocean? That's what, 35k-40k pounds? Would there then be enough fuel to make that trip?
with a friendly airstrip to refuel, nothing is impossible.
This article clarifies the big question that everyone wants an answer to:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html
...and the answer is a resounding "No. Nobody has a clue wtf is going on here."
One of the pilots had a flight simulator in his house? Okay.... So like Microsoft flight sim with dual monitors or what? Media is getting desperate to invent some sort of motive or connection.
I'm going to stick with my gut on this one and say Iranians are responsible, but it's unknown whether the plane had enough fuel to make it as far as Iran.
Pretty nice one
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1723168.1394940777!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-pilots16n-13-0315.jpg
I want my pilots to be practicing in there off time
HoneyBadger
03-16-2014, 11:05
Pretty nice one
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1723168.1394940777!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/article-pilots16n-13-0315.jpg
I want my pilots to be practicing in there off time
Okay so what does this prove? That the guy loves his job? Like I said, the media is really reaching around (yes, I just said that) for some sort of excitement.
Okay so what does this prove? That the guy loves his job? Like I said, the media is really reaching around (yes, I just said that) for some sort of excitement.
Exactly I bet a lot of commercial pilots have simulators
HoneyBadger
03-16-2014, 11:14
So the latest article says he was an anti-government extremest and may have been trying to make a political point... I don't buy it. If he was trying to make a point, he would have done so by now. Disappearing doesn't make any political points.
Great-Kazoo
03-16-2014, 11:24
So the latest article says he was an anti-government GUN OWNING extremest and may have been trying to make a political point... I don't buy it. If he was trying to make a point, he would have done so by now. Disappearing doesn't make any political points.
sounds familiar?
HoneyBadger
03-16-2014, 11:30
sounds familiar?
Frighteningly so.
BPTactical
03-16-2014, 11:31
China
Rooskibar03
03-16-2014, 11:35
It's being outfitted with the EMP and new transponder identity as we speak. Headed for somewhere over the east coast.[tinhat]
It's being outfitted with the EMP and new transponder identity as we speak. Headed for somewhere over the east coast.[tinhat]
If they were going to do something like that I would think they woulda stole something a little lower profile
HoneyBadger
03-16-2014, 11:56
Every pilot I've ever known had a simulator even 15 years ago. Some of them had far nicer setups.
Some of my best introductions came from pilots & simulators.
Anyone remember "Chuck Yeagers Air Combat?" Shit fit on a single 1.5mb floppy disk. 3d combat flight sim, covered three wars, probably 100 scenarios, probably 40 planes, included complete audio, (radio, gunfire, damage, chuck Yeager, briefs, etc.) pictures of each plane, etc. etc. Way ahead of it's time. The enemy AI seemed better than Microsoft Combat Flight Sim (600+mb). I still marvel, as a programmer, at how they fit all that in 1.5MB. Blows my mind...
I DO remember spending hours and hours playing that. There were some memorable Yeager quotes in there, and you would always get a quote that was dependent on how you performed in that mission. The mountains were little green pyramids... Lol
I DO remember spending hours and hours playing that. There were some memorable Yeager quotes in there, and you would always get a quote that was dependent on how you performed in that mission. The mountains were little green pyramids... Lol
I loved that game... Then Pro Pilot came out and I played that constantly. Dozens of flights from Denver and Jeffco to Vail and CO Spgs. Then got to fly a 777 simulator at the old United facility at Stapleton. It's really not that hard. This whole thing sounds like a W.E.B. Griffen novel I read about terrorists stealing a commercial jet and planning to crash into Philadelphia.
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Wackowars.com is speculating that it's in Iran..... http://www.infowars.com/flight-370-passengers-may-still-be-alive-pirated-boeing-777-may-return-to-skies-as-stealth-nuclear-weapon/
HoneyBadger
03-16-2014, 13:14
Wackowars.com is speculating that it's in Iran..... http://www.infowars.com/flight-370-passengers-may-still-be-alive-pirated-boeing-777-may-return-to-skies-as-stealth-nuclear-weapon/
I win. Alex Jones says so.
BPTactical
03-16-2014, 13:43
China
68Charger
03-16-2014, 13:50
China
umm, that's where it was bound in the first place- Bejing... and 2/3 of the passengers are Chinese.
You'd think it the Chinese wanted to take it, they'd just steal it out of the hanger overnight [Beer]
BPTactical
03-16-2014, 14:37
umm, that's where it was bound in the first place- Bejing... and 2/3 of the passengers are Chinese.
You'd think it the Chinese wanted to take it, they'd just steal it out of the hanger overnight [Beer]
Maybe the AC was not what they "Wanted".....
SideShow Bob
03-16-2014, 14:53
Maybe the AC was not what they "Wanted".....
Industial espionage ? They could have bought off an insider with a whole lot less hassle than taking the entire plane and 230 odd passengers for the 20 company reps on board.
The pilot has 33 years in at Malaysia Air, my bet is on the copilot(6 years). Given 8+hours fuel(based on what the "news" reports say), they've got an operational range of 3600+miles...that circle includes most of Asia, the Middle East, a fair chunk of Africa, the 'Stans... lotsa places where they could fly in basically unnoticed, given a fair knowledge of radar coverage.
Also use of a cell phone during flight is illegal (federally) in the US.... So the passenger KAPA had- broke federal law, could be fined by FAA, I think that's the worst of it though. No conclusive evidence that cell phones interfere with any avionics/communication. But the FAA is probably just being cautious. So we can rule out a cell phone knocking this flight out of the air. Still, my question remains... Could it be something else is responsible? Such as:
42011
I can tell you right now that we hear cell phone static as they search for towers in our headsets up front as idiots turn them on while we're on approach. Not sure where your getting your expert data. Saying that flying 777 ....in a sim under guidance of an instructor isn't that hard is like saying that being a cop is easy because your fired a gun. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Can't tell if you are being serious or not... I guess I will say get out of the lab, and get into a cockpit.
[Beer]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0O1_FYzbjw
It is a frustrating feeling when you are trying to get cleared for an Approach when the weather is bad and you can barely hear the controller over that sound.
How many pax on cell phones does your UPS buddy fly around?
Killing it
Great-Kazoo
03-16-2014, 17:30
umm, that's where it was bound in the first place- Bejing... and 2/3 of the passengers are Chinese.
You'd think it the Chinese wanted to take it, they'd just steal it out of the hanger overnight [Beer]
Or reposes it.
Latest news is the iPhone 6 was one the plane. It interfered with the navigation and the black hole app for iPhone 6 worked. Poof!
jreifsch80
03-16-2014, 19:03
We need to call chuck norris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UCFBS4a5I
StagLefty
03-16-2014, 19:33
We need to call chuck norris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UCFBS4a5I
AKA "the ginsue " :D
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BPTactical
03-16-2014, 19:51
China
Hillary Clinton
“What difference, at this point, does it make?”
I loved that game... Then Pro Pilot came out and I played that constantly. Dozens of flights from Denver and Jeffco to Vail and CO Spgs. Then got to fly a 777 simulator at the old United facility at Stapleton. It's really not that hard. This whole thing sounds like a W.E.B. Griffen novel I read about terrorists stealing a commercial jet and planning to crash into Philadelphia.
Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalkhow we're the graphics on the real 777 SIM?
My buddy is a crew chief on a Blackhawk and said there simulators graphics were not even Nintendo 64 quality
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/s403x403/1012281_10152051914709998_1321112203_n.jpg
how we're the graphics on the real 777 SIM?
My buddy is a crew chief on a Blackhawk and said there simulators graphics were not even Nintendo 64 quality
A level 4 is a tad better than that. I've never been in a Blackhawk sim but most civilian level 4's are "realistic" enough to fully certify the pilot.
how we're the graphics on the real 777 SIM?
My buddy is a crew chief on a Blackhawk and said there simulators graphics were not even Nintendo 64 quality
$60 game + $90 B777 expansion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYPvzmOV580
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhCTvflODQ
theGinsue
03-17-2014, 11:42
We need to call chuck norris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-UCFBS4a5I
AKA "the ginsue " :D
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I can be ready to go "wheels up" in just under an hour (maybe a tad longer if the drive-thru @ Bikini Coffee is backed up). I just need a plane and an official "go" order.
I can tell you right now that we hear cell phone static as they search for towers in our headsets up front as idiots turn them on while we're on approach. Not sure where your getting your expert data. Saying that flying 777 ....in a sim under guidance of an instructor isn't that hard is like saying that being a cop is easy because your fired a gun. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Careful with your logic and experience there, a tv show says otherwise.
One thing I will add though. I think a novice can fly a triple seven fairly well in ideal conditions. I know because i did it years before i had the training. Where a pilot becomes a professional is when conditions are not ideal and things start breaking and you get away from normal flying. You are basically walking the aviation tight rope at that point.
how we're the graphics on the real 777 SIM?
My buddy is a crew chief on a Blackhawk and said there simulators graphics were not even Nintendo 64 quality
Sounds like they haven't gotten any better then. One of our hawk pilots in Hawaii had a home PC in 2002 that made MS flight sim 2000 look better than the Army's simulator.
Since I watched a lot of ancient aliens and doomsday stuff on H2 this weekend I'm going with the pilot of flight 370 was an alien in disguise that delivered the plane and people on board and they vanished by flying along a magnetic ley line which masked the transport beam from the cloaked alien craft in orbit.
Sounds like they haven't gotten any better then. One of our hawk pilots in Hawaii had a home PC in 2002 that made MS flight sim 2000 look better than the Army's simulator.
Since I watched a lot of ancient aliens and doomsday stuff on H2 this weekend I'm going with the pilot of flight 370 was an alien in disguise that delivered the plane and people on board and they vanished by flying along a magnetic ley line which masked the transport beam from the cloaked alien craft in orbit.
And the Winner of the Reynolds for the Best Tin Foil Hat story is...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/
KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA—Following a host of conflicting reports in the wake of the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 last Saturday, representatives from the Kuala Lumpur–based carrier acknowledged they had widened their investigation into the vanished Boeing 777 aircraft today to encompass not only the possibilities of mechanical failure, pilot error, terrorist activity, or a botched hijacking, but also the overarching scope of space, time, and humankind’s place in the universe.
The airline, now in its fifth day of searching for the passenger jet carrying 239 passengers and crew, has come under fire for its perceived mishandling of the investigation, whose confusing and contradictory reports have failed to provide definitive answers on everything from how long the missing plane remained aloft after losing contact with air traffic controllers, to whether the flight made a radical alteration in its heading, to the very dimensions of space-time and the nature of reality, and what exactly it is that brought us into existence and imbued us with this thing we call life.
Additionally, the airline confirmed it had expanded its active search area to include a several-hundred-square-mile zone in the Indian Ocean as well as each of the seven or 22 additional spatial dimensions posited by string theory.
Where's Dr. Who when you need him...[facepalm]
Where's Dr. Who when you need him...[facepalm]
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140303113929/mlp/images/7/73/Dr._Hooves_with_3D_glasses_walking_with_Rose_S4E16 .png
Scanker19
03-17-2014, 15:40
Where's Dr. Who when you need him...[facepalm]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNwuYQI6Zs
Rooskibar03
03-17-2014, 15:55
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm251/cmuthard03/7ba6e4a2d7e7709e75313b479907c44a_zps4fe2a863.jpg
BPTactical
03-17-2014, 19:52
No, what we need is Herve' Villachase, otherwise known as "Tattoo" on "Fantasy Island"......that lil fucker always knew where the plane was......
"Boss, de plane, de plane.."
[Coffee]
I can tell you right now that we hear cell phone static as they search for towers in our headsets up front as idiots turn them on while we're on approach. Not sure where your getting your expert data. Saying that flying 777 ....in a sim under guidance of an instructor isn't that hard is like saying that being a cop is easy because your fired a gun. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
I'm just going off what I've heard on the subject... don't shoot the messenger- and no need for the vitriol- I was like 14 when I flew the sim, and despite not doing much else but take off, landing and flying around, it was easy to accomplish those tasks. I'm sure IRL is much more difficult, which is usually why you have to have countless hours before even being considered for anything outside of a single engine prop.
how we're the graphics on the real 777 SIM?
My buddy is a crew chief on a Blackhawk and said there simulators graphics were not even Nintendo 64 quality
This was years ago, pre-9/11, so they were about as good as they could be for the time and cost of the sim. It was maybe 12 months after the 777 went into service, I can't say for sure. Maybe '99 or '00.
Here is an interesting theory. http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68ere
Someone used the Infinite Improbability Drive.
thvigil11
03-17-2014, 20:38
I think they crashed on some weird island with a fog monster, number station and all kinds of other weird crap that are actually part of some guys dream.
No, what we need is Herve' Villachase, otherwise known as "Tattoo" on "Fantasy Island"......that lil fucker always knew where the plane was......
"Boss, de plane, de plane.."
[Coffee]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ286Fpq7Fs
I'm just going off what I've heard on the subject... don't shoot the messenger- and no need for the vitriol- I was like 14 when I flew the sim, and despite not doing much else but take off, landing and flying around, it was easy to accomplish those tasks. I'm sure IRL is much more difficult, which is usually why you have to have countless hours before even being considered for anything outside of a single engine prop.
This was years ago, pre-9/11, so they were about as good as they could be for the time and cost of the sim. It was maybe 12 months after the 777 went into service, I can't say for sure. Maybe '99 or '00.
Fair enough. I won't even watch the news anymore because of the sheer idiocy that's being brought forth. Ronin, I could walk you through maneuvering most jets. "Flying" or "Piloting" the craft if much different. It's an extremely dynamic environment where fuel, weather and systems are constantly changing ( not to mention crazy passengers and Stews ). In a lot of ways it's probably like being a cop.....no two days are the same. Pilots are own worst enemy though. The typical bravado usual includes "It's easy". Most of these guys are crapping themselves on their yearly check rides.
To add ........dropping down to wave top level most likely wouldn't leave you with 8 hours of extra gas.
BPTactical
03-17-2014, 22:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ286Fpq7Fs
Yeah, dat guy!
OtterbatHellcat
03-17-2014, 22:36
#123
Funny sheeeeit!!
To add ........dropping down to wave top level most likely wouldn't leave you with 8 hours of extra gas.
Ok...my thoughts are that the reason they went to a high altitude was to eliminate oxygen and kill or knock out the passengers...then went low to refill the plane with oxygen so the pilots (or whoever was flying the plane at that point) wouldn't have to use the masks.
I suspect someone wanted the plane for use as either a weapon or for terrorism training.
Ok...my thoughts are that the reason they went to a high altitude was to eliminate oxygen and kill or knock out the passengers...then went low to refill the plane with oxygen so the pilots (or whoever was flying the plane at that point) wouldn't have to use the masks.
I suspect someone wanted the plane for use as either a weapon or for terrorism training.
Could be. The incompetence that led up to and followed the plane going missing is sureal.
http://colowyo.smugmug.com/photos/i-MpgQt6T/0/L/i-MpgQt6T-L.jpg
Could be. The incompetence that led up to and followed the plane going missing is sureal.
I'm surprised on the lack of radar coverage. Here I was thinking that everything in the air was tracked, labeled & recorded worldwide as a relic of the cold war and the war on drugs.
hollohas
03-18-2014, 13:04
Why are there something like 26 nations now spending money they don't have to look for this thing? I understand it's important but so important that 26 nations are involved? The USA allows tries to help, China has lots of people on board and Malaysia is the home country, but why so many others? The world can never get 26 nations to work together for the same goal. So my questions is, what in the hell do they know that makes so many countries want to be involved in the search effort?
Why are there something like 26 nations now spending money they don't have to look for this thing? I understand it's important but so important that 26 nations are involved? The USA allows tries to help, China has lots of people on board and Malaysia is the home country, but why so many others? The world can never get 26 nations to work together for the same goal. So my questions is, what in the hell do they know that makes so many countries want to be involved in the search effort?
The potential fame and national pride that goes along with finding something lost...just spit-balling. There is also the training aspect. Technology sharing with those who know what they are doing is "cheap" training. I have now worked several major accidents/fires where the BATF, HMS showed up on site and requested to work alongside. They had no authority, were not called in, but saw it as an uncontrolled event that let them field train agents with no potential downside. There were some agents that sorely needed the training, and another set of eyes was never a bad thing.
Why do millions of Americans spend their weekends on geocaching excursions?
Why do millions of Americans spend their weekends on geocaching excursions?
don't judge us!
Why do millions of americans waste their weekends on pointless internet sights, hitting the refresh button over and over, wishing someone is post whoring?
I heard after 5 days the plane becomes finders keepers. Pretty sure that is a rule we all learned as kids.
Probably a pretty security issue to have an unaccounted for airplane after 9/11.
don't judge us!
Why do millions of americans waste their weekends on pointless internet sights, hitting the refresh button over and over, wishing someone is post whoring?
I was not judging, just pointing out that it is part of human nature to search for things.
I was not judging, just pointing out that it is part of human nature to search for things.
oh okay than. Sort of like the poeple that don't know how to type and have to hunt out for the keys? Oh little kids hide our car keys and think its funny when we have to play hide and seek? yeah. I guess it's in our nature to find/search for things.... still looking for the millions of dollars I lost last year :D
HoneyBadger
03-18-2014, 13:54
don't judge us!
Why do millions of americans waste their weekends on pointless internet sights, hitting the refresh button over and over, wishing someone is post whoring?
Only YOU do that...
[Coffee]
Only YOU do that...
[Coffee]
pretty sure OBC has be beat. :D
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-18-2014, 14:21
Why are there something like 26 nations now spending money they don't have to look for this thing? I understand it's important but so important that 26 nations are involved? The USA allows tries to help, China has lots of people on board and Malaysia is the home country, but why so many others? The world can never get 26 nations to work together for the same goal. So my questions is, what in the hell do they know that makes so many countries want to be involved in the search effort?
Maybe because if they find it, it is not going to be flown into the side of their building?
hollohas
03-18-2014, 14:29
I heard after 5 days the plane becomes finders keepers. Pretty sure that is a rule we all learned as kids.
Ah, that explains it. However, I was thinking something more along the lines of this...
Maybe because if they find it, it is not going to be flown into the side of their building?
ruthabagah
03-18-2014, 16:05
I have to admit that this guy theory makes totally sense... maybe more than the official ones.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
I have to admit that this guy theory makes totally sense... maybe more than the official ones.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
Surprisingly, that makes a ton of sense. I wonder if that possibility has even been brought up?
Aloha_Shooter
03-18-2014, 19:46
Surprisingly, that makes a ton of sense. I wonder if that possibility has even been brought up?
A fire in the cockpit has been brought up repeatedly on Megyn Kelly's show. One of the accident investigators felt it was a likely explanation for loss of comm. It certainly makes more sense than hijacking by a stowaway [facepalm] but doesn't explain the continued transmissions that were supposedly received up to 6 hours after the plane disappeared if the pilots were pulling breakers. What disgusts me is how much speculation there's been by supposedly knowledgeable people with very limited data.
Firehaus
03-18-2014, 20:16
Didn't they confirm the programmed direction change before the last communication from the pilot?
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A fire in the cockpit has been brought up repeatedly on Megyn Kelly's show. One of the accident investigators felt it was a likely explanation for loss of comm. It certainly makes more sense than hijacking by a stowaway [facepalm] but doesn't explain the continued transmissions that were supposedly received up to 6 hours after the plane disappeared if the pilots were pulling breakers. What disgusts me is how much speculation there's been by supposedly knowledgeable people with very limited data.
Yeah. Kinda funny hearing people daily become systems experts on triples by reading USA Today.
HoneyBadger
03-18-2014, 21:02
Thank you to you airline pilots for chiming in. At this point I'm still blaming Iran. Or aliens. Same thing.
Thank you to you airline pilots for chiming in. At this point I'm still blaming Iran. Or aliens. Same thing.
Most guys and gals ( that are worth anything ) who fly for a living will never publicly Monday-morning quarterback an incident until there is a linear line of facts. We will beat it to death in the cockpit or at a bar amongst ourselves but not typically in public. The reason being most people don't understand all of the factors ( system based or not ) involved. Just about everyone you see on CNN, FOX or whatever is an idiot looking for a paycheck and notoriety. So the Captain had a sim in his house? Imagine the media speculation involved with a gun owner after a tragic occurrence if they looked into the persons safe.
rockhound
03-19-2014, 08:46
i blame david copperfield
Most guys and gals ( that are worth anything ) who fly for a living will never publicly Monday-morning quarterback an incident until there is a linear line of facts. We will beat it to death in the cockpit or at a bar amongst ourselves but not typically in public. The reason being most people don't understand all of the factors ( system based or not ) involved. Just about everyone you see on CNN, FOX or whatever is an idiot looking for a paycheck and notoriety. So the Captain had a sim in his house? Imagine the media speculation involved with a gun owner after a tragic occurrence if they looked into the persons safe.
Or if they found the gun owner had a shooting range in his basement... The underlined is about the most telling and factual statement of the year! I never believe anyone on the MSM anymore, especially when it comes to so-called "Experts." I bet the "experts" in aviation piss you off about as much as the "experts" in military piss me off. They never get it right... hence my sig. [Beer]
Or if they found the gun owner had a shooting range in his basement... The underlined is about the most telling and factual statement of the year! I never believe anyone on the MSM anymore, especially when it comes to so-called "Experts." I bet the "experts" in aviation piss you off about as much as the "experts" in military piss me off. They never get it right... hence my sig. [Beer]
I can't even watch it without getting upset.....and that makes my wife upset...so I just get up and leave the room or tune it out when she is watching the five o'clock "entertainment" ( of course Corey Rose with the volume down isn't that bad ). The parrallel you draw with the military is probably spot on.
LOL- five o'clock "entertainment"... That pretty much sums it up. But yes, Corey Rose is... wow... [Love2]
Anyway...
A friend posted this today- I thought it was hilarious!
42399
The "cockpit fire" theory seems to be unsupported by the data, given that the plane made multiple direction changes, hours after the loss of communications.
As soon as N Korea can get some electric they plan to announce they have the plane.
BPTactical
03-20-2014, 15:11
42443
Cheapskate......
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10001294_727532443944706_719723221_n.jpg
BPTactical
03-22-2014, 18:47
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10001294_727532443944706_719723221_n.jpg
[LOL]
Resurrecting this... they found out what happened to the plane, well according to this one blogger:
Seriously, you can't make this up, some loony toons actually believe this conspiracy crap- and it's not a April fool's joke either. Glenn Beck and his radio show gang tear into the nuts that think this stuff is true. [LOL]
http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/04/01/blogger-claims-to-have-uncovered-the-mystery-surrounding-the-disappearance-of-flight-mh370/
I heard it was Godzilla. Years of pent up anger over his portrail in the Asian movies.
I heard it was Godzilla. Years of pent up anger over his portrail in the Asian movies.
I'd believe it!
maybe Godzilla and Loch Ness and Sasquatch went in together. They are tired of people looking for them, so they out this plan together so people are looking for a plane that they KNOW exists. Start searching!
I'd believe it!
maybe Godzilla and Loch Ness and Sasquatch went in together. They are tired of people looking for them, so they out this plan together so people are looking for a plane that they KNOW exists. Start searching!
Holy crap, you just gave me an idea for the next big hit reality tv show, thanks!
I would definitely take an amalgamation between Godzilla, Loch Ness, and Sasquatch over the cell phone up the guy's ass story that beforeitsnews.com published with such fervor and conviction.
I'd believe it!
maybe Godzilla and Loch Ness and Sasquatch went in together. They are tired of people looking for them, so they out this plan together so people are looking for a plane that they KNOW exists. Start searching!
Wow! Now Wonder woman will save us all!!
Wow! Now Wonder woman will save us all!!
If anyone knows how to find an invisible plane, it's her....
If anyone knows how to find an invisible plane, it's her....
I always figured it would be the invisible man
If anyone knows how to find an invisible plane, it's her....
Truth.
rockhound
04-02-2014, 05:59
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10001294_727532443944706_719723221_n.jpg
you boys are amateurs...................
42999
They are looking in the wrong place. They should check on Gilligan's Island.
So much for all this ultra high tech "able to read a license plate" satellite surveillance bullshit. And the rumors for years that the spooks in Cheyenne Mountain know everything about anything in the skies above the planet, anywhere, anytime.
So much for all this ultra high tech "able to read a license plate" satellite surveillance bullshit. And the rumors for years that the spooks in Cheyenne Mountain know everything about anything in the skies above the planet, anywhere, anytime.
Yeah no shit. This astonishes me
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ALIENS don't care bout no spooks, satellites, etc.
ET got plane...
HoneyBadger
04-03-2014, 10:38
So much for all this ultra high tech "able to read a license plate" satellite surveillance bullshit. And the rumors for years that the spooks in Cheyenne Mountain know everything about anything in the skies above the planet, anywhere, anytime.
That's where this comes in to play:
Resurrecting this... they found out what happened to the plane, well according to this one blogger:
Seriously, you can't make this up, some loony toons actually believe this conspiracy crap- and it's not a April fool's joke either. Glenn Beck and his radio show gang tear into the nuts that think this stuff is true. [LOL]
http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/04/01/blogger-claims-to-have-uncovered-the-mystery-surrounding-the-disappearance-of-flight-mh370/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKWe_xnq5_8&app=desktop
So much for all this ultra high tech "able to read a license plate" satellite surveillance bullshit. And the rumors for years that the spooks in Cheyenne Mountain know everything about anything in the skies above the planet, anywhere, anytime.
The N in NORAD Stands for North America right?
US Space command tracks everything larger than a basketball ABOVE 100 km altitude...
The N in NORAD Stands for North America right?
Yeah, but supposedly with their satellite network they can keep track of everything globally, to watch for missile launches and other sneaky things. Supposedly.
They are looking in the wrong place. They should check on Gilligan's Island.
That one's already been played out. There's a pic floating around as well.
I'm still betting that this thing ended up in the 'stans somewhere. It will surface again.
HoneyBadger
04-03-2014, 15:30
Yeah, but supposedly with their satellite network they can keep track of everything globally, to watch for missile launches and other sneaky things. Supposedly.
Honestly, US satellites aren't tracking every airline flight. There are tens of thousands of commercial flights every day. We do have resources that watch for explosions, missile launches, etc, but they would have nothing to do with a missing airliner unless it had a secret rocket engine onboard or it blew up in a spectacular fashion. Our satellites have much more important things to keep track of.
I'm still betting that this thing ended up in the 'stans somewhere. It will surface again.
I'm going to blame Iran. That or the unions.
Singlestack
04-03-2014, 15:38
^^^ I think this is it. Yes, the satellites and sensors can track amazing detail, but they have to be looking at something specific. In general, I don't think they have enough resources currently to track every large object (ship, airliner, etc). For sure, a lot of intelligence resources are looking at things like missile launch locations and probably many sites in the bad actor countries...
HoneyBadger
04-03-2014, 16:41
^^^ I think this is it. Yes, the satellites and sensors can track amazing detail, but they have to be looking at something specific. In general, I don't think they have enough resources currently to track every large object (ship, airliner, etc). For sure, a lot of intelligence resources are looking at things like missile launch locations and probably many sites in the bad actor countries...
Bingo. I don't want to go into more detail here, but I work in the satellite industry and you hit the nail on the head here. Our national defense resources are focused on a lot of things, but commercial flights over the South China Sea don't get much attention.
There is a lot of interesting stuff to read on the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
What I was getting at is, can't they use those satellite resources to look for debris on the oceans or crash sites in jungles? Seems like they could devote a little time towards that, but whadafukdoIknow.....
baglock1
04-03-2014, 18:58
So much for all this ultra high tech "able to read a license plate" satellite surveillance bullshit. And the rumors for years that the spooks in Cheyenne Mountain know everything about anything in the skies above the planet, anywhere, anytime.
Don't forget that info like this comes from the same place as the completely silent firearm suppressors, full auto pistols with perfect accuracy, and politicians with a conscience - Hollywood.
Yes, our imagery satellites have VERY good optics, but this comes at the expense of field of view. Why would we want to look at an image of a single plane (and be able to read the time on the pilot's watch) when we're much better served by an image of a flight line and the number of planes and their armament?
With regards to knowing everything, everywhere, it isn't going to happen. Too much info to analyze and most of it is worthless anyways.
Jon Stewart covers CNNs coverage of CNN covering the missing flight
http://www.hulu.com/watch/616624
What I was getting at is, can't they use those satellite resources to look for debris on the oceans or crash sites in jungles? Seems like they could devote a little time towards that, but whadafukdoIknow.....
Think back to when Captain Sulley turned that Airbus into a floatplane on the Hudson a few years ago. Did that plane break up into a million pieces? This plane most likely went into the drink in the same manner and since it was probably not pressurized it slowly filled with water and to the bottom it went. Hell even if was fully pressurized it could have sat on the water for a week or more since no one was looking for it within a few thousand miles of where it may have gone down. My point is, with the autopilot on it could have very easily landed on the surface and then simply sunk all in one piece.
I'm still betting that this thing ended up in the 'stans somewhere. It will surface again.
Our satellites would have spotted it by now. It is not like you can hide this kind of plane in some hanger off of a dirt stip. Any airport that it could have landed at and made it off of the runway has undoubtedly been checked by now. The plane weighs so much that unless it lands at a modernized airport its wheels will probably sink through the pavement of your average po dunk 3rd world Apron. Not to mention there are very few hangars in the world that this thing could even fit inside of.
Think back to when Captain Sulley turned that Airbus into a floatplane on the Hudson a few years ago. Did that plane break up into a million pieces? This plane most likely went into the drink in the same manner and since it was probably not pressurized it slowly filled with water and to the bottom it went. Hell even if was fully pressurized it could have sat on the water for a week or more since no one was looking for it within a few thousand miles of where it may have gone down. My point is, with the autopilot on it could have very easily landed on the surface and then simply sunk all in one piece.
Sully while he did an amazing job, sank the airplane by not pushing the ditching pushbutton. Doing so would have kept that plane floating instead of it sinking into the Hudson over time before they could retrieve it. But in that position I probably wouldnt have remembered either, and can't armchair quarterback doing what he did with what he had, just wanting to point out that the plane would have stayed afloat had that button been pushed.
another thought and a random guess could be he went high to knock everybody out while on oxygen and de pressurizing the plane. Then got down and ditched it in the water near a boat. He sinks the plane full of unconscious people, climbs out the window to the boat and sails into the sunset. The reason behind doing such is anyone's guess. One thing I question is if he turned the ELT off if it would still activate with enough g force or once it hit water.
Sully while he did an amazing job, sank the airplane by not pushing the ditching pushbutton. Doing so would have kept that plane floating instead of it sinking into the Hudson over time before they could retrieve it. But in that position I probably wouldnt have remembered either, and can't armchair quarterback doing what he did with what he had, just wanting to point out that the plane would have stayed afloat had that button been pushed.
And if the plane was depressurized while on an altitude hold before it glided into the water with everyone already asphyxiated several hours back? I am doubting that button got hit in this situation.
But you do bring up a good point here as that functionality is built into modern airliners. I do question if it really works though and for how long. I mean that plane could still be floating down by Antarctica at the moment.
Aloha_Shooter
04-03-2014, 21:49
1. US Space Command ceased to exist as such in 2002 when it was merged into US Strategic Command. STRATCOM -- through JFCC-Space -- now has the responsibility for tracking the 20,000+ objects known to be orbiting the Earth.
2. Spacecraft are not omnipotent. They would have to have a pass over the area during good light conditions and cloud cover can obscure what would otherwise be a good pass. Assume all overhead imagers were grabbing every frame they could -- someone would have to combing through all that imagery to find the golden picture. For all we know, someone is STILL combing through pictures.
3. The "Miracle on the Hudson" is a bad analogy. Sully brought his plane down more or less intact because he was in control to keep angle of attack while reducing his flight speed. If MH 370 was on autopilot until the end, it would have plummeted from altitude when the fuel ran out. It is highly unlikely it would have maintained an attitude to minimize stresses on the airframe when it hit the water.
And if the plane was depressurized while on an altitude hold before it glided into the water with everyone already asphyxiated several hours back? I am doubting that button got hit in this situation.
But you do bring up a good point here as that functionality is built into modern airliners. I do question if it really works though and for how long. I mean that plane could still be floating down by Antarctica at the moment.
I was actually implying intentional depressurization by the pilot/pilots/terrorists.
they out on their oxygen masks, then depressurize. They remain conscious, knock out/kill everyone in the back. Then ditch the plane and sink it. Jut another theory but would explain why it wasn't found if it's at the bottom of the ocean.
What I was getting at is, can't they use those satellite resources to look for debris on the oceans or crash sites in jungles? Seems like they could devote a little time towards that, but whadafukdoIknow.....
One thing you don't... the hassle and cost of retasking an imagery satellite... Just sayin'.
Sully while he did an amazing job, sank the airplane by not pushing the ditching pushbutton. Doing so would have kept that plane floating instead of it sinking into the Hudson over time before they could retrieve it. But in that position I probably wouldnt have remembered either, and can't armchair quarterback doing what he did with what he had, just wanting to point out that the plane would have stayed afloat had that button been pushed.
another thought and a random guess could be he went high to knock everybody out while on oxygen and de pressurizing the plane. Then got down and ditched it in the water near a boat. He sinks the plane full of unconscious people, climbs out the window to the boat and sails into the sunset. The reason behind doing such is anyone's guess. One thing I question is if he turned the ELT off if it would still activate with enough g force or once it hit water.
Sniper, its pretty common knowledge that hitting the ""ROAP" button is part of the process. If someone says they paid attention during the ditching portion of recurrent they're lying. I'm didn't know that the triple had one. That being said Sully probably had the first "successful" under slung ditching in history. It had never happen before. A half degree of tilt would spin and crack that thing like an egg. A gentle, level wing, flame out glide to the ocean surface without someone at the controls is impossible.
ARRRR, it be snatched by air pirates! http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/funnies/airpirates.jpg
The Chinese heard a ping (sonar)today off Australia
We'll have to tell our subs to quiet back down.
Seriously, I hope they find something solid and definitive soon, for the sake of all the crew and passengers families. Those people have got to be going insane over this, they deserve to know WTF happened for God's sake. I can't even imagine what they're going through.
Seriously, I hope they find something solid and definitive soon, for the sake of all the crew and passengers families. Those people have got to be going insane over this, they deserve to know WTF happened for God's sake. I can't even imagine what they're going through.
This is a modern phenomenon. There was a time when we didn't have such expectations. People just left on a journey and were never heard from again.
This is a modern phenomenon. There was a time when we didn't have such expectations. People just left on a journey and were never heard from again.
This is very true. It's crazy how times change. No one know where Amelia Earheart is or what happened.
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