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I'm wondering if anyone here might be able to tell me what kind of tree this is. I realize a photo of it with full leaves in July would be preferable but this is all I can offer at the moment (bark, leaves, tree) -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/tree_zps202c6ecf.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/leaf_zps5c9d5594.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/hatidua/bark_zps717aac81.jpg
Might email the Tree Farm in Longmont if you don't find out there. I've used them to price out trees from claims I've worked in the past.
BPTactical
03-12-2014, 10:25
Elm, not sure what variety but it is identical to the one in my yard.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-12-2014, 10:26
Betcha dsboutdoors can tell ya.
I emailed The Tree Farm but have not heard back from them so I posted here figuring someone might be able to tell what it is. Apparently there's a sequel to the pine bark beetle, the "ash borer" so I'm just hoping this isn't an ash tree...
Check with jrtheo8. That's what he does.
Sent via my Mobile Work Avoidance Device
Elm...
I think (not 100% sure) it's an Ash. Doing a little googling, it looks like elm leaves have sawtooth edges and ash leaves, more or less, don't.
BPTactical
03-12-2014, 10:42
I think (not 100% sure) it's an Ash. Doing a little googling, it looks like elm leaves have sawtooth edges and ash leaves more or less don't.
Just going by what the guy who trimmed it a couple years ago said it was.
And yes, the Ash Borers are on their way. Ashes are really nice trees but I planted maples instead, because of the threat from the borers. [Mad] (Not that there's anything wrong with maples, I'd just like a little more variety.)
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 10:44
Betcha dsboutdoors can tell ya.
That my friend is an Ash tree. Maybe a Marshall seedless ash. Or some other type of green ash.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 10:47
Right now the only place in CO that has the ash bore is in Boulder. But they do expect the AB to be a major epidemic soon.
Just going by what the guy who trimmed it a couple years ago said it was.
The leaves look very similar between the two. The elm leaves I googled look more round than the ones in the picture hatidua posted. [Dunno][Dunno]
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 10:49
http://www.creeksideboulder.com/mag/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/e6b919ac0dced1ec66d0cf1ac3ed2243/windward/ip000544_1.jpg
Actually I think it's a Summit Ash because of the rough bark. Marshall are more a smooth bark.
Well, I was hoping it wasn't an ash but it looks like it is (I just heard back from the state dept of agriculture and they also say it's an ash).
Bummer, it really does shade the entire backyard in Summer...
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 11:02
I wouldn't get rid of it just yet. The Dep. of Agg. is doing what they can to control AB right now. Enjoy it as much as you can until it gets out of control.
My wife received a letter from a company that took out a very large tree in our backyard several years back (dead Siberian Elm) suggesting that there is a course of 'treatment' for the ash borer problem. We'll keep it until it's thoroughly dead, which hopefully isn't too soon, but it's certainly not news we were hoping for.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 11:14
Good read for ya.
http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_25062047/broomfield-denver-begin-testing-emerald-ash-borer-infestation?source=email&utm_source=Emerald+Ash+Borer+Update+2-10-14&utm_campaign=Emerald+Ash+Borer+Update+2-10-14&utm_medium=email
Good read for ya.
http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_25062047/broomfield-denver-begin-testing-emerald-ash-borer-infestation?source=email&utm_source=Emerald+Ash+Borer+Update+2-10-14&utm_campaign=Emerald+Ash+Borer+Update+2-10-14&utm_medium=email
thank you/
This reminds me I have several trees that need to be identified that I haveto picture and send off to the county or something. I am afraid I have a couple Russian Olive trees.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 11:35
thank you/
You bet. If you are looking to replace it, check out Maple trees "Autumn Blaze" to be more specific. Also ornamental pear trees would be a good choice. [Beer]
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 11:38
This reminds me I have several trees that need to be identified that I haveto picture and send off to the county or something. I am afraid I have a couple Russian Olive trees.
Russian Olive trees are defiantly on the "Obnoxious Weed list" and should be removed if you get a chance.
If you are looking to replace it, check out Maple trees "Autumn Blaze" to be more specific.
Awesome trees. [Awesom] I also have a Bowhall maple (columnar) that's turning out to be pretty nice. A good choice if there isn't a lot of room around the tree.
Russian Olive trees are defiantly on the "Obnoxious Weed list" and should be removed if you get a chance.
The people that owned the house let a billion saplings/seedlings sprout underneath these two. I reclaimed the space, but at the expense of my skin. The friggin thorns are a PITA. And they have some coating that makes them extra ouchy.
This reminds me I have several trees that need to be identified that I haveto picture and send off to the county or something. I am afraid I have a couple Russian Olive trees.
If you do have Russian olives and plan to tackle them yourself you can probably only take the brush to a landfill. Most organic/recycle places won't take it.
OP, I'd keep it until it starts going south then call to get it removed. Company I once worked for loved to prolong the inevitable, costing the client money.
You bet. If you are looking to replace it, check out Maple trees "Autumn Blaze" to be more specific. Also ornamental pear trees would be a good choice. [Beer]
+1
Or hackberry tree.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 12:28
The people that owned the house let a billion saplings/seedlings sprout underneath these two. I reclaimed the space, but at the expense of my skin. The friggin thorns are a PITA. And they have some coating that makes them extra ouchy.
Ohhh ya they are. When we were kids, my younger brother started climbing our tree. A year later he was complaining about his hand hurting. Had some X-Ray taken and he had a 2" thorn that had gone into his hand from the side and through the pinky bone, and it heeled over the thorn. At the time it happened he didn't say anything as he was afraid he'd get in trouble. Has a very nice scar from the removal surgery.
BPTactical
03-12-2014, 12:35
So if it dies and you dig it up do you have an "Ash hole" in the yard?
Russian Olive trees are defiantly on the "Obnoxious Weed list" and should be removed if you get a chance.
While there is an effort to remove Russian Olive because they are non native and invasive in some habitats, I disagree with blanket removal of existing trees. Russian Olive is an outstanding wildlife resource tree, which is why the Colorado State Forest Service sold and planted them widely for windbreaks and wildlife shelterbelts.
The olives are used by mammals and many birds like turkey, quail, pheasant, robins, waxwings, mockingbirds and more. Russian Olive is also attracts insects which bring in warblers, finches, etc. There are shelterbelts all over eastern and western CO that are full of wildlife principally because of Russian Olive and other berry producing plants sold to ag land owners by the State Forest Service.
The thorns are nasty for sure which is why nobody wants wood chips from them. I've had many tractor tire flats from the thorns. But, Russian Olive on my property are not invasive, they only grow where I plant them, and I'm not taking them out.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 13:20
While there is an effort to remove Russian Olive because they are non native and invasive in some habitats, I disagree with blanket removal of existing trees. Russian Olive is an outstanding wildlife resource tree, which is why the Colorado State Forest Service sold and planted them widely for windbreaks and wildlife shelterbelts.
The olives are used by mammals and many birds like turkey, quail, pheasant, robins, waxwings, mockingbirds and more. Russian Olive is also attracts insects which bring in warblers, finches, etc. There are shelterbelts all over eastern and western CO that are full of wildlife principally because of Russian Olive and other berry producing plants sold to ag land owners by the State Forest Service.
The thorns are nasty for sure which is why nobody wants wood chips from them. I've had many tractor tire flats from the thorns. But, Russian Olive on my property are not invasive, they only grow where I plant them, and I'm not taking them out.
That's fine to each his own. I just know they had been Ban for sale for about 25 years in Colorado. And the Colo. Dept. Of Agg. would like to see them gone. Just saying.
R
ussian olive
is designated as a
“List B” species in the Colorado
Noxious Weed Act.
It is required to
be either eradicated, contained, or
suppressed depending on the local
infestations.
For more information
visit
www.colorado.gov/ag/csd
and click on the Noxious Weed
Management Program. Or call the
State Weed Coordinator at the
Colorado Department of Agriculture,
Conservation Services Division,
303-239-4100.
Here's a link for the rest of the article.
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1191397772565&ssbinary=true
Are the olives, olives I can eat? Cuz, I have other fruit producing trees in the yard, and it looks like the previous previous owner had a desire for fruit producing trees. I caught the Plum trees on the late part of the fruit season, and they were very very yummy.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 13:35
Are the olives, olives I can eat? Cuz, I have other fruit producing trees in the yard, and it looks like the previous previous owner had a desire for fruit producing trees. I caught the Plum trees on the late part of the fruit season, and they were very very yummy.
No, Olives are not edible for humans. Animal and birds yes.
Are the olives, olives I can eat? Cuz, I have other fruit producing trees in the yard, and it looks like the previous previous owner had a desire for fruit producing trees. I caught the Plum trees on the late part of the fruit season, and they were very very yummy.
No, not really palatable. The fragrant flowers and berries will be sticky with sugars in spring which attracts native bees, and which in turn may pollinate your other fruit trees.
DSB, you were right to point out that Russian Olive has been deemed noxious, and I'm all for removing truly noxious weeds. But I think the campaign to eradicate Russian Olive is misguided, often by young foresters looking for a project and a cause. Russian Olive is often lumped with Tamarisk which is highly invasive along western rivers and lowland waterways. Tamarisk have few redeeming qualities and little wildlife value compared to the damage they do to riparian habitats. Tams choke out native cottonwoods and other valuable trees and shrubs.
Buffaloberry is a similar, close relative of Russian Olive which is also native to Colorado from the Dolores River drainage south to Cortez. It's a great wildlife shrub, and is sold by the CO State Forest Service. I've planted a lot of Buffaloberry, along with chokecherry, mountain mahogany, honeysuckle, sumac, Forstiera and other berry shrubs. It's not as hardy as Russian Olive and won't grow into a tree, but it's a great wildlife food resource.
If the OP does not mind me adding to the "Tree ID/Arborist" thread, I'll have the bettah half post a couple pictures of them.
I think if I keep good care of them they won't get out of hand like they were. It almost looked like a bush, but after I got all the seedlings out of there the trees were obvious.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 14:20
Tamarix was a nice looking plant at least the plume was. But much like some other water seeking plants, it's roots grew so deep in search of water it would break water and sewer lines to survive and thrive. They would choke out other plants for more water. Out in the plains and non resident areas Tamarix and RO would do just fine but in the Denver Metro and residential areas they said no way hoseay. Buffaloberry, chokeberry, and the others you mention, etc. are fine because they have a short root system and don't seek out a water source per say. They play nice and don't kill off other plants.
cadetcandi
03-12-2014, 15:01
If the OP does not mind me adding to the "Tree ID/Arborist" thread, I'll have the bettah half post a couple pictures of them.
I think if I keep good care of them they won't get out of hand like they were. It almost looked like a bush, but after I got all the seedlings out of there the trees were obvious.
Hello All, I'm the bettah half. LOL. Here are the pictures of the trees that he is speaking of. I think I posted in the right thread. LOL, if not sorry. There are 2 photo's per tree, 1 far away and 1 up close and personal. Sorry, but for some reason the 2nd photo for each loaded sideways on the post. 41987419894199141993
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 15:18
Hello All, I'm the bettah half. LOL. Here are the pictures of the trees that he is speaking of. I think I posted in the right thread. LOL, if not sorry. There are 2 photo's per tree, 1 far away and 1 up close and personal. Sorry, but for some reason the 2nd photo for each loaded sideways on the post. 41987419894199141993
Does it have a flower to it? And do you know leaf color?
The new pics look like a cherry of some sort. Never mind there are some nasty thorns on it. Hawthorne of some type?
Fyi to the op. There are very effective treatments for the ash but are not cheap.
Does it have a flower to it? And do you know leaf color?
Don't know about flower, we bought it at the end of summer. The leaves I want to say, one was a frosty green and the other one was a dark leathery green. If I have to wait that is okay too.
The leaves were skinny and longish.
The trees have the same peice of cloth tied on it like all the other trees on the property, so I figured it wasn't there by accident.
The new pics look like a cherry of some sort. Never mind there are some nasty thorns on it. Hawthorne of some type?
I also would like to mention that the branches are eyeball height... I may just remove them for that reason. I have to push the lawnmower around them weekly.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 15:40
The new pics look like a cherry of some sort. Never mind there are some nasty thorns on it. Hawthorne of some type?
Fyi to the op. There are very effective treatments for the ash but are not cheap.
Sup V. long time no see. I was thinking prunus family on the 1st one. The 2nd tree definatly has some nasty thorns on it, I was thinking Shepherdia ?? Hard to tell on both of them. Stumping me a my cohorts.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 15:54
Ok now that I look at the 1st one again I do believe it to be a Russian Olive tree. Great big thorns on it.
http://www.cooperativeconservationamerica.org/images/Russian%20olive.jpg
Still thinking about the 2nd.
They both seem like the ends of the branches are thorns. Normally a tree has a bud or something at the ends of each branch and sub-branch... these just end in big sharp pointy things. The leaves do look like that in thee closeup you posted. I think perhaps the two trees are two different varietys? The leaves were shaped similar but have different texture.
So getting down on your hands and knees is not an option when cutting out the seedlings that sprout up underneath these buggers.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 17:33
I'm 98% sure the 1st on is Russian Olive. The redish bark threw me off at first. Kind of has a white powder on the branches and leaves if you rub it. I'd yank that one out. Not a good yard tree, messy when it drops the olives.
The 2nd one has stumpped me and 5 of my partners. I'm thinking it might be " Shepherdia " variety.
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Stumped on 2nd tree as well.
The leaves didn't look like that, they have narrow leaves like the other one. If my memory serves me.
I think cadetcandi has pictures of them in the summer, we will try to find them.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-12-2014, 18:40
The leaves didn't look like that, they have narrow leaves like the other one. If my memory serves me.
I think cadetcandi has pictures of them in the summer, we will try to find them.
Cool, leaves and flower if any. We'll get dis damn ting ID'ed
Wife and I are both in the bus and can't figure it out. Waiting for the pics with the leaves. Either way, with thorns like that, cut it down.
DSB you will be seeing me soon enough now the weather is getting better
If we're going to turn this into a landscaping thread, I have about 100' of bushes I'm going to remove soon. One of them has some serious thorns on it.
If we're going to turn this into a landscaping thread, I have about 100' of bushes I'm going to remove soon. One of them has some serious thorns on it.
I'm in. :)
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-12-2014, 21:50
You guys love talking about wood so much.
You guys love talking about wood so much.
I will likely be contacting you about moving the swamp cooler from my back yard to my roof this summer as well. We'll see how the money flows first.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-12-2014, 21:54
I will likely be contacting you about moving the swamp cooler from my back yard to my roof this summer as well. We'll see how the money flows first.
Right on. I typically refer that work to a buddy of mine. Very good guy, good prices too.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 07:51
DSB you will be seeing me soon enough now the weather is getting better
I'm surprised I haven't seen ta yet. [Beer]
The pictures we have are from the porch and far away... they show no detail on the leaves at all.
Well, my tree has sadly been confirmed to be a 'green ash'. I live squarely in the middle of where this problem is getting started here in Boulder. The trunk on the tree is 38" in diameter at a point 2' above ground. I've received one quote already in terms of treatment, any arborist's feel like adding a bid on this one?? PM me if you deal with this sort of thing, thanks
Tree borers are usually controlled by spraying from the base of the tree up the trunk a few feet with a tree oil/pesticide combination. Tree oil is mineral oil that smothers the eggs of insects, and the insecticide increase effectiveness. A garden sprayer will work, and there may be over the counter, non restricted use pesticides that will work. A variety of treatments are found with a google search.
You might first call the local state extension service or state forest service office for recommendations, if you're inclined to do it yourself.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 14:11
The pictures we have are from the porch and far away... they show no detail on the leaves at all.
Ok. I think we have a winner. I / we believe it to be a " Sea Buckthorn " botanical name is " Hippophae Rhamnoides "
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Hippophae_rhamnoides_MS_0169.jpg http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608055721512535667&pid=1.7
[Beer]
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 14:17
http://www.zelen.cz/images/galerie/galerie800/images/galerie/hippophae_rhamnoides_01.jpg
Those leaves look like what I saw this summer.
hmmm at least I can make some jam out of the fruit. :-D
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 14:39
Those leaves look like what I saw this summer.
hmmm at least I can make some jam out of the fruit. :-D
It may not exactly be a Sea Buckthorn but it is defiantly in the same family. Let me know if it gets the berries this spring. I wonder where the former owner got it. I know I don't carry it nor any of my competitors. The berries may not be edible. Watch the birds and see if they eat them.
I'll definately take close ups of the leaves and flowers/berries if there are any. I know it is not on the list of "approved shrub/tree palette" on the HoA documents. LOL yeah I wonder where it did come from.
Thank you very much for your help!.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 14:57
I'll definately take close ups of the leaves and flowers/berries if there are any. I know it is not on the list of "approved shrub/tree palette" on the HoA documents. LOL yeah I wonder where it did come from.
Thank you very much for your help!.
You're very welcome. It's what I do. I'd rather be shooting that's for sure. HOA may have a conniption fit if they see it?? You may want to do some research on your own about root habit. Just so you don't have any broken water or sewer lines in the future. I did see some pictures where the roots tore up an asphalt pathway.
While the rules are seriously strict... it does not seem to look too closely at backyards. Technically every time "the land is disturbed even in the backyard I am supposed to submit a design request to the board. Many of the folks look like they don't follow by the rules so much in backyards.
The trees have been there for a while... I may remove the russian olive because I was worried of the same thing you mentioned about the roots. I'll have to read up on the other one some more. The area where they are, is a depression that runs a big length of my yard and it stays pretty moist from the common area irrigation. Water seems to seep right into my yard along the depression right beside these trees. so they should have plenty of water.
I can guarantee you it looks a lot better now than a couple weeks ago when I cut down the forest of them.
When my hops rhisomes get here in the mail, I am really going to see what I can get away with!
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 18:59
Just don't go getting your self in trouble with the HOA. [ROFL2]
Yeah... maybe when I retire I can get a place without hoa.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 19:04
Head West young man, head west.
Head West young man, head west.
I hate commuting, and this company is too good to be true right now... so I'd be a fool to look for anything else. I really need to use my gi bill and pick a new profession i like.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 19:12
I hate commuting, and this company is too good to be true right now... so I'd be a fool to look for anything else. I really need to use my gi bill and pick a new profession i like.
Landscaping?? [Coffee]
Landscaping?? [Coffee]
Horticulture? I couldn't find any colleges that offer a degree nearby... plus I was medically discharged for back issues. :-( Riding around for months with body armor messes you up.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-13-2014, 19:21
Horticulture? I couldn't find any colleges that offer a degree nearby... plus I was medically discharged for back issues. :-( Riding around for months with body armor messes you up.
That sucks. I know the feeling on the bad back issue. Horticulture life does take it's toll.
Yeah... maybe when I retire I can get a place without hoa.
If you can live with HOA tyrants, you are a very patient person. I'm not cut from the right cloth to put up with that sort.
This thread inspired me to get a start on my spring bush-removal project. This is 11 individual bushes, and 7 root bundles from previously cut out bushes. Now only about 25 more to go!
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https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gotf2zsDc2Y/UyT_2Ld-P6I/AAAAAAAAIjI/-EKrzePn7jU/w999-h562-no/20140315_184849_Richtone%2528HDR%2529.jpg
DSB OUTDOORS
03-16-2014, 07:49
Lookin good there Stu. Ive got to get off my ass and start ripping out a bunch of scrub oak. Fire midigation time. I hate fire season living where I do. But its worth it in the long run.
Lookin good there Stu. Ive got to get off my ass and start ripping out a bunch of scrub oak. Fire midigation time. I hate fire season living where I do. But its worth it in the long run.
Yes, no HoA [Rant1]
DSB OUTDOORS
03-16-2014, 10:50
Yes, no HoA [Rant1]
No HOA here. 3 1/2 acres of joy.
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No HOA here. 3 1/2 acres of joy.
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AND you have some delicious venison there too. Ahh well, that type of life is out of my reach me thinks.
I just looked through the HoA's Design guidelines' Lot Landscape Pallette. I shows "Buckthorn" as an authorized Deciduous Shrub.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-16-2014, 18:04
AND you have some delicious venison there too. Ahh well, that type of life is out of my reach me thinks.
[LOL] Well, yes I do have some tasty critters that venture through. But the one's in the pic are cement aka yard art. I did have a Bear attact the buck a few year ago. Laid it over and broke off the antlers.
I just looked through the HoA's Design guidelines' Lot Landscape Pallette. I shows "Buckthorn" as an authorized Deciduous Shrub.
Though it shows Buckthorn on the list of approved. " Columnar Buckthorn " or " Fineline Buckthorn " are the most common and I'm pretty sure yours " Sea Buckthorn " is not on the approved menu.
[LOL] Well, yes I do have some tasty critters that venture through. But the one's in the pic are cement aka yard art. I did have a Bear attact the buck a few year ago. Laid it over and broke off the antlers.
Though it shows Buckthorn on the list of approved. " Columnar Buckthorn " or " Fineline Buckthorn " are the most common and I'm pretty sure yours " Sea Buckthorn " is not on the approved menu.
Fuck HoAs!
Well, If they are the edible sort, and they cooperate, I'd be happy to donate some jam to you for the help in identification!
The ends of the buds are starting to green up on both trees. The one you said was Russian olive has similar buds as the other one except they are not as large.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-16-2014, 20:16
Just stick with the it's a "Buckthorn" if they ask. It's on the approved list. OR stick with don't ask and don't tell method. [Coffee]
Ok. I think we have a winner. I / we believe it to be a " Sea Buckthorn " botanical name is " Hippophae Rhamnoides "
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Hippophae_rhamnoides_MS_0169.jpg http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608055721512535667&pid=1.7
[Beer]
Okay, so they are coming to life and both of the trees have little buds like these, one tree has bigger ones than the other and they are in similar locations on the branch. I'll post some real pictures if I can get them tonight.
cadetcandi
04-01-2014, 17:04
Hello, here's what they look like. I'm going to see if I can take better clearer pics in a minute.4296142963429654296542967
cadetcandi
05-05-2014, 19:53
Hello. Wondering if someone might be able to tell me what kind of bush/tree this is. 443854438744389
What the heck is this stuff on the bottom of the branches of my tree? It looks like this is what causes my tree to sap so badly. It is a problem for my neighbor and I. This looks like something that is separate from the tree though. What is this, and is it treatable? When you smash these, the pop with red goop like you can see on my fingers.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-p57lj6YYrtw/U6DMBD0EKzI/AAAAAAAAKJI/RYAfzddr17k/w999-h562-no/20140617_171310_Richtone%2528HDR%2529.jpg
buffalobo
06-17-2014, 21:43
Zombie larvae?
lobbed from my electronic ball and chain
Yeah, the picture came out surprisingly clear and it looks much worse in the picture.
Zombie larvae?
lobbed from my electronic ball and chain
+1
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
Looks like scale. Good luck, those things are nasty. Depending on the tree and the specific bug, I think you can spray a special oil on them when the babies hatch (little bugs hiding under the shells), and then do it again 2 weeks later and again in the winter (or something like that). I'm not a tree guy, but I've definitely seen those before. :(
Just looked it up. That does look like what I have. I never would have noticed this had I not been on my roof looking directly at the tree. So one more thing to worry about around the house...
One other thing... that "sap" you mentioned might also be scale poop. They call it "honeydew" and it can also cause mold, or at least encourage it. If I remember right, a lot of the black mold some of our trees had on them was supposedly caused by scale honeydew.
newracer
06-18-2014, 07:44
That's not sap falling from your tree, it's poop.
DSB OUTDOORS
06-18-2014, 08:05
Looks like scale. Good luck, those things are nasty. Depending on the tree and the specific bug, I think you can spray a special oil on them when the babies hatch (little bugs hiding under the shells), and then do it again 2 weeks later and again in the winter (or something like that). I'm not a tree guy, but I've definitely seen those before. :(
One other thing... that "sap" you mentioned might also be scale poop. They call it "honeydew" and it can also cause mold, or at least encourage it. If I remember right, a lot of the black mold some of our trees had on them was supposedly caused by scale honeydew.
^^^^^ Brian hit it. It indeed tree scale. And that sappy shit is shit called Honeydew. I'd call O-Tool's garden center and ask them if they have a residential spray they might sell. But it is hard to get rid of. I know I don't have any at my shop right now.
DSB OUTDOORS
06-18-2014, 08:43
This what your looking for.
http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/dormant-spray-oil-p-1713.html
Thanks DSB. That explains the black mold on my awning.
DSB OUTDOORS
06-18-2014, 09:06
You bet, I believe it's best to apply the dormant oil in winter just before the scale hatches. I'll see if I can find out when that might be for ya. [Beer]
Thank you. On the chance that I do nothing, what are the risks? I assume the life of the tree in is in peril, but what about other trees in the neighborhood? Also, will getting rid of the scale help the sapping issue (since it's aparently not sap)?
DSB OUTDOORS
06-18-2014, 09:55
This article may help.
Scale Insects
Male scale insect are harmless to trees, but the female scale insect can kill a full grown tree by sucking the sap out of it. Female scale insects are wingless, about ½ inch or less in size and have differing body types according to scale type.
What all the female scale insects have in common is their long, needle-like feeding tube they insert into the tree. The female scale insect will crawl around on a tree until it finds a lodging place, then it will insert it's needle-like feeding tube into the tree and remain in that location for life.
Most trees can be sprayed with dormant oil to smother the scales and their eggs, but some trees, like a Japanese maple of Sugar maple can not tolerate dormant oil spray. For those trees, spray an insecticide on the tree at two week intervals during the late spring and early summer to kill the newly hatching scale insects. Check with the local County Extension Office or nursery to find out which control method is best for the particular tree.
My brother had recommended a systemic pesticide made by Bayer that I can pour into the ground, since it is too late to spray. Also considering getting an injection. Thanks for the new knowledge everyone. Brother thinks I also may have aphids, which explains the sapping and wasps. I know I had aphids on my grape vine before I cut it down.
My brother had recommended a systemic pesticide made by Bayer that I can pour into the ground, since it is too late to spray. Also considering getting an injection. Thanks for the new knowledge everyone. Brother thinks I also may have aphids, which explains the sapping and wasps. I know I had aphids on my grape vine before I cut it down.
Looks like European elm scale. That is if it is and elm tree you have. Looks like it from the branch. The bayer product will not work all that well. Tried the same ingredient for a while with minimal results. It usually takes multiple treatments with multiple types of products at different times of year. If it is a large tree it will be tough to get it under control yourself. I sent you a pm with my number.
Thanks Vince, got the pm. The direction I'm headed sounds like an injection. I'll get some identifying pictures of the tree tonight. My brother seems b to think it is an Ash.
Here are the leaves
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EPgwsB2dEmw/U6TuL9cGCiI/AAAAAAAAKLo/vMt79oVijUk/w999-h562-no/20140620_202718.jpg
And the bark
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XHr9yEe1QUg/U6TuUvcI0SI/AAAAAAAAKMM/a2hPuQrxFUA/w316-h562-no/20140620_202826_Richtone%2528HDR%2529.jpg
You can see how the top side of the bark is black from the infestation.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-99RunVA1gMc/U6TuWScJcVI/AAAAAAAAKMY/hF-pGdFz7BY/w999-h562-no/20140620_202836_Richtone%2528HDR%2529.jpg
DSB OUTDOORS
06-23-2014, 18:41
Hey Stu. Vince's right that is an Elm Tree.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmAhRlwzGieoLEDVnobE0jAEFaaoECY fR6sN0bx-fe7R4AOO0wjg
I don't think injection is gonna help it much at all. Best thing to do is wait it out till fall when it drops it's leaves and spray the Dormant oil on the little bastards just before they hatch in spring.
So spray in fall, spring, or both?
Something about Elm trees that is so majestic. Reminds me of back home.
Something about Elm trees that is so majestic. Reminds me of back home.
Is that sarcastic? I never liked Elms. The ones I grew up around seemed a lot different than mine though. Taller and thinner.
Is that sarcastic? I never liked Elms. The ones I grew up around seemed a lot different than mine though. Taller and thinner.
Nope, Back home they were big and tall, like a big piece of broccoli. I liked how they looked all lined up down the street.
DSB OUTDOORS
06-23-2014, 19:58
So spray in fall, spring, or both?
You need to spray the oil in the late winter / early spring just as the leaves start coming out and the air warms up. That's when the scale starts to hatch / lay eggs. The oil smothers them of oxygen and they die as they try to wake up.
Make sure to keep us updated. We're all curious how your black poop turns out.
You need to spray the oil in the late winter / early spring just as the leaves start coming out and the air warms up. That's when the scale starts to hatch / lay eggs. The oil smothers them of oxygen and they die as they try to wake up.
A trunk application with a product called safari works well. It too is systemic but tends to work a lot better. Can't be done by a homeowner though.
Sako can that trunk application be applied whenever?
Sako can that trunk application be applied whenever?
I am pretty sur but would have to double check. Relatively new treatment. I will check tomorrow at work and can get back with ya.
Thanks. No pressure. This tree issue is pretty much at the very bottom of my priorities list. I posted it up because I wanted to know what the heck I was looking at, and knew this thread existed, but I'm not in a hurry to spend the money on this problem right now.
Thanks. No pressure. This tree issue is pretty much at the very bottom of my priorities list. I posted it up because I wanted to know what the heck I was looking at, and knew this thread existed, but I'm not in a hurry to spend the money on this problem right now.
Nownis the time for the bark banding or a spray with an insecticide. The crawlers are out in late June first part of July.
Any idea on cost? Just a rough estimate. Don't they charge based on diameter of the tree?
Any idea on cost? Just a rough estimate. Don't they charge based on diameter of the tree?
Probably over a 100 for thru spray as it is dependent on dbh. For the future, having it done in may will get the most bang for the buck. Will control some leaf miner, leaf beetles, aphids and scale.
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