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theGinsue
04-28-2009, 21:18
AN ABSOLUTE MUST READ FOR EVERY AMERICAN!
Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard. She appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.

In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, Aviv shared information that EVERY American needs to know----but that our government has not yet shared with us.

Aviv predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted Aviv back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East ) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said that they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.Now for Aviv's future predictions: He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. will occur within the next few months. Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try hijacking a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke--that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.

For example:

1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.

2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is reactionary.

3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates.

Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport w hen/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink, and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. In Israel , security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.


Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate.. (i.e., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.).

The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like a big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.

Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas , they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.

Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U.S. Government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts. The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming',

'recycling' and 'political correctness' will become totally irrelevant.

On an encouraging note, Aviv says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked. He says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.

Aviv also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'home grown'----that means having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U.S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East . These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.

Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terrorist threats we will, inevitably, face. America still has only a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.



So, what can America do to protect itself? From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for its intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U.S. Government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'. Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.

Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out. In fact, in Chicago , someone tried to steal the briefcase!



In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been 'hurt enough' yet by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about our schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City , this was days, in some cases!) He stresses the importance of having a plan that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terrorist emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .

Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow.

Aviv says that the U.S. Government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated.

How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan.

If you believe what you have just read, then you must feel compelled to send it to every concerned parent or guardian, grandparents, uncles, aunts, whatever and whomever. Nothing will happen if you choose not to do so, but in the event it does happen, this particular email will haunt you..."I should have sent this to.....", but I didn't believe it and just deleted it as so much trash from old "terrorist behind every tree" George !!!

Armed Springs
04-28-2009, 21:41
Thank you for your post. It is something I will be thinking about when I lay my family down for bed. All I want is a nice big piece of land out by Fairplay, 10acres or so.... anyone selling?

jackmode9316
04-29-2009, 08:32
Im going to watch Red Dawn again tonight for motivation.

BadShot
04-29-2009, 08:56
The most important and relevant portion of that article is that we should all have a plan to A. Get home B. Rally points (primary and secondary) C. Everyone in the family or your "group" should know these, how to get there and how long to wait for others.

While this all sounds really great, there is no supporting information or factual support to the "meat" of the story. I'm pretty sure that Tom Clancy covered a healthy portion of the attack premise in a few of his books and Jack Bauer has already kicked their asses and foiled several of their plans :)

Still gives pause. If you don't have this type of conversation with your family and loved ones, you are just expected to behave just like the rest of the sheep.

Irish
04-29-2009, 09:59
So should this plan include several people together?
Is there safety in numbers, or are you better off staying small & light?
Will radio work if cell phones don't?
What about transportation? Highways -vs- roads -vs- off road?
I tend to look for the best & plan for the worst.

Pistol Packing Preacher
04-29-2009, 13:16
Great post! Thanks! Amateur radio is an avenue for communications when every thing else is shut down. Most of my kids have their licenses. Repeaters are not needed and this means of communication has been tried and found true! For more info on Amateur radio see: http://www.hello-radio.org/

HunterCO
04-29-2009, 15:27
Yet another chain mail except this one does not tell me I will get raped by ten demons if I don't forward it. Oh no what could it be that is in store for me. [Help]

Mtn.man
04-29-2009, 15:57
Damn black choppers just flew over Again...

Repeats of Jericho are shown on CW2 <G>

GunTroll
04-29-2009, 16:00
Beans and bullets! Get stocked up or else! I suppose you could let the very same evil that we call our current government come and help you. Just look at Katrina to prove they will help and fast too! Granted that city needed a cleansing of some sort.

BadShot
04-29-2009, 17:43
So should this plan include several people together?
Is there safety in numbers, or are you better off staying small & light?
Will radio work if cell phones don't?
What about transportation? Highways -vs- roads -vs- off road?
I tend to look for the best & plan for the worst.

The number and such is you're deal, no one else can decide that for you. Me, I have a family to worry about and a few close and reliable folks that are in the same AO. We've had our discussions in some general senses but it's time to do the near annual update to that conversation.

Elhuero
04-29-2009, 17:44
my anti-terror ideas are likely to be very unpopular, as they are politically incorrect and harsh in the extreme.

RRD3
04-29-2009, 18:59
Weather or not the email chain letter is fake is not really the point. I think the better point of that email is that we Americans are not ready to deal with a problem like Israel does and has for years and years.

Most... not stating anyone here, think that our government will always be there to protect and defend us. Two somewhat recent events come to mind.
The L.A. riots and Katrina.

In both cases it was completely left to each individual to protect their property and life for an extended period of time. No LE or government aid in sight.
I think it's better to prepare and expect the worse. Nothing to lose by preparing and being ready at all times.

theGinsue
04-29-2009, 19:26
I see a few of you are getting the idea behind me posting this in the first place - to get you to think NOW about the what if's for later. (BTW: Not that I trust them, but Snopes claims the story is almost 100&#37; false).

As some of you have pointed out, it doesn't take a terrorist attack to create a situation where you and your family should have disaster plans. Katrina and even the ice storms places like Kentucky experienced this winter are great examples of why plans are needed.

Amateur radios are great - probably the best choice in comm, but what happens when their charge goes out and so is the power.

Generators are good for power, but are noisey and require fuel which may not be readily available. Solar panels are expensive (Unless you're jerrymc who makes his own!) but are quiet and enough of them can charge all of your batteries - during the day. Almost all of CO gets plenty of wind (day and night), so a personal wind turbine is always an option - but the tower needed is bulky and isn't light.

As far as having others with you... Do you think you can protect yourself and your family by yourself? Both day, and night? I doubt it. You want a small group of people you KNOW you can count and and who are very capable people. You can get together and watch each others backs and split shifts to cover all hours of the day while still having people available to handle the daily chores too. If the group gets too big logistics really become an issue. I don't just mean having enough supplies, but the ability to handle hygiene (bathing/bathroom) as well.

RRD3
04-29-2009, 20:33
I think a good group of close friends would be the best way to go. I think I'm pretty set up in the department as we are all former / active military or LE.

If the shit was to really hit the fan, head north to Montana or Wyoming and set up shop [Muaha]

theGinsue
04-29-2009, 21:06
Hmm. If we really have a significant SHTF scenario, both Montana & Wyoming both have short growing seasons. Wyoming has limited water. Also a long way to go having to watch your back the whole way. Getting fuel could be tough.

If travel & fuel aren't big concerns, I like the NW..Oregon. Temporate winters, long growing seasons, etc.

RRD3
04-29-2009, 21:16
I agree with the weather and growing seasons. My concern is population and the ability to out survive those who couldn't make it in territories like WY and MT.