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.455_Hunter
03-25-2014, 13:05
When I got my permit in June 2004, I was covered by my August 1999 Army Expert Pistol Qualifacation. In June 2009, my renewal was technically still in that 10 year window, so the topic was not discussed.
Will I need new training for my June 2014 renewal?
Thanks,
Hunter
When I got my permit in June 2004, I was covered by my August 1999 Army Expert Pistol Qualifacation. In June 2009, my renewal was technically still in that 10 year window, so the topic was not discussed.
Will I need new training for my June 2014 renewal?
Thanks,
Hunter
Yes, you'll need a class or proof of competition participation. Training credentials are valid 10 years from issuance.
NO, not required for renewals, just the initial. IF you were to transfer your permit from one county to another, there may be some scrutiny of your original. I have heard of a few people needing another one for various reasons related to the insufficiency of their original.
.455_Hunter
03-25-2014, 13:41
IF you were to transfer your permit from one county to another, there may be some scrutiny of your original.
Yes- I am transferring from Jeffco to Boulder.
Great-Kazoo
03-25-2014, 13:55
Yes- I am transferring from Jeffco to Boulder.
Worse they can say is No.
Why transfer the permit? Just renew the permit in the issuing county.
Some will accept your old ccw as proof of training. Some make you get a new cert like Denver.
.455_Hunter
03-25-2014, 14:22
Just renew the permit in the issuing county.
If its going to be a pain in the butt in one but not the other, I will take the path of least resistance.
BladesNBarrels
03-25-2014, 17:02
From Jefferson County's Renewal Form, it indicates training has to be within ten years or other qualifying experience:
PROOF OF FIREARMS TRAINING
(Please check one pertaining to your application submittal.)
… A training certificate from a handgun training class (as defined in C.R.S. 18-12-202.5) obtained within ten years preceding submittal of this application. It must be the original training certificate or a photocopy that includes the original signature of the class instructor.
… Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States Armed Forces (DD214) within three years preceding submittal of this application.
… Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States Armed Forces (DD214) that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within ten years preceding submittal of this application.
… Evidence that, at the time of this application is submitted, the applicant is a certified instructor.
… Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service.
… A certificate showing retirement from a Colorado Law Enforcement Agency that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within ten years preceding submittal of this application.
BUT, on the Sheriff's website, it also says:
The "Proof of Firearms Training" on the back of the application does not pertain to JCSO renewals applicants, unless the applicant is renewing a permit from another county.
AND, it continues
If the address on the driver's license or ID doesn't match the application, the applicant is required to provide other proof of residency, such as a lease/rental agreement, property tax statement, utility bill or vehicle registration.Per C.R.S. 42-2-119 (1) (a), whenever any person, after applying for or receiving a driver's license or motor vehicle registration number, moves from the address named in such application or in the license or registration issued to such person or when the name of the licensee is changed, such person shall within 30 days notify the department in writing of such person's old and new address, and the number of any license or registration held by such person.
.455_Hunter
03-25-2014, 17:26
I just spoke to Jeffco and they said I would NOT need new training.
I just spoke to Boulder and they said they would call me back.
Who knows...
I would like to have my permit be from the county I am planning on living in for the 40+ years.
I just spoke to Jeffco and they said I would NOT need new training.
I just spoke to Boulder and they said they would call me back.
Who knows...
I would like to have my permit be from the county I am planning on living in for the 40+ years.
Question #1: Why would you even want to live in Boulder for the next 40+ years?
Sent via my Mobile Work Avoidance Device
My understanding was that you got 1 renewal, then you had to reapply from scratch(including a current approved credential). I'll have to review the pertinent CRS again.
Great-Kazoo
03-25-2014, 18:37
I just spoke to Jeffco and they said I would NOT need new training.
I just spoke to Boulder and they said they would call me back.
Who knows...
I would like to have my permit be from the county I am planning on living in for the 40+ years.
Renew where you reside now, worry about it next renewal period.
My understanding was that you got 1 renewal, then you had to reapply from scratch(including a current approved credential). I'll have to review the pertinent CRS again.
I've renewed my permit the last 20 + years, by submitting another application, mark it RENEWAL wait for call.
.455_Hunter
03-26-2014, 12:52
Question #1: Why would you even want to live in Boulder for the next 40+ years?
Ah yes, the same old tired refrain... [facepalm]
UPDATE- Boulder County says I do NOT need refresher training for my transfer/renewal.
Thanks for your input!
There is this guy I know who has been permitted in CO since 1989 and even when applying under the new law, proof of training was the prior permit. I don't know where people are coming up with this "theory" that you have to get retrained to renew. I have spoken with at least 5 counties over the years and none of them have a recert requirement.
Ive had several (5+) ccw students tell me they have a permit and Denver will not allow a renewal since there original credentials were over 10 years old.
The law is unclear at best. It states in the requirements for a permit application that the training credential must have been issued within the last 10 years, but it doesn't specify if that applies to renewals,
CRS 18-12-203:
...
(h) Demonstrates competence with a handgun by submitting:
(I) Evidence of experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competitions or current military service;
(II) Evidence that, at the time the application is submitted, the applicant is a certified instructor;
(III) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces within the three years preceding submittal of the application;
(IV) Proof of honorable discharge from a branch of the United States armed forces that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application;
(V) A certificate showing retirement from a Colorado law enforcement agency that reflects pistol qualifications obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application; or
(VI) A training certificate from a handgun training class obtained within the ten years preceding submittal of the application. The applicant shall submit the original training certificate or a photocopy thereof that includes the original signature of the class instructor. To the extent permitted by section 18-12-202 (5) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=75627f45372e69f969bea50ec6e0aefb&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-203%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=7&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-202&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLzVzt-zSkAW&_md5=62744de98249a81ac197ce155f355609), in obtaining a training certificate from a handgun training class, the applicant shall have discretion in selecting which handgun training class to complete.
I know on my recent renewal with Jeffco, they didn't ask to see any training credentials.
The law is unclear at best. It states in the requirements for a permit application that the training credential must have been issued within the last 10 years, but it doesn't specify if that applies to renewals,
I know on my recent renewal with Jeffco, they didn't ask to see any training credentials.
Well, Boulder county sheriffs website says this:
"The “Proof of Firearms Training” section on the second page of the application does not pertain to renewals."
http://www.bouldercounty.org/safety/firearms/pages/cwprenew.aspx
Great-Kazoo
03-27-2014, 15:43
I know on my recent renewal with Jeffco, they didn't ask to see any training credentials.
As markco & i mentioned, your permit, is proof of training. IF your permit expires, then yes, proof of training within the last 10 yrs is required.
The question is: Is this simply policy that will vary by county, or is there some basis in law somewhere? I couldn't find any legal reference to an exemption for renewals.
as far as I can tell it's just Denver playing games in the grey area of the law since it's not defined.
kidicarus13
03-27-2014, 21:53
as far as I can tell it's just Denver playing games in the grey area of the law since it's not defined.
As far as I can tell Denver is run by asshat liberals
Great-Kazoo
03-27-2014, 22:44
As far as I can tell Denver is run by asshat liberals
Now? . Always
You can always walk into the renewal office, fire off a desk pop and call it training.
The county did not require it, but I wanted to get training to learn what is current with all the legal stuff. Renewal time was a good reminder.
I renewed my permit for Denver in August. It had been 10 years since my certification. I took a CCW class and it cost $49. I forgot some stuff, it was worth it to take a class again.
Well, Boulder county sheriffs website says this:
"The “Proof of Firearms Training” section on the second page of the application does not pertain to renewals."
http://www.bouldercounty.org/safety/firearms/pages/cwprenew.aspx
They only need you to bring your checkbook and existing permit - it's all about the money.
My understanding is that if the present certificate is lapsed, new class time, if it's current, not required. In Denver, all bets are off, cause, well, you know...it's not actually part of Colorado. As we know it.
... it was worth it to take a class again.
I agree. There is always something new that we can learn from taking a class (stuff that YouTube cannot teach).
.455_Hunter
06-20-2014, 11:58
Well folks, I submitted seven weeks ahead of my expiration date, and got the renewal in the mail with one week to go.
Everybody at the Boulder County Sheriff's office was very polite and helpful!
ClangClang
07-30-2014, 09:02
I just submitted in Boulder County and used my USPSA membership card as my proof. The receptionist at the desk mentioned she had never seen one before but cheerfully allowed me to apply. She also gave me the business card of the actual approver, saying that if there was an issue, she would contact me and let me know.
Anybody else ever use a USPSA card as proof of participation in organized shooting? I also have a UT non-resident CCW which had a 4 hour class as part of the process that I could use for backup if there's an issue.
As an aside, the receptionist did tell me that they're tracking about 30 days for approvals, so that's nice :)
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