View Full Version : Are You Kidding Me?? (OC)
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 18:39
I just went into 2 different very crowded stores on South Broadway in the Littleton area. I was in one very busy small liqour store for about 5 minutes. I was in another very very busy grocery store for about 10-12 minutes. This time I was carrying my S&W 9mm which is of decent size. As far as I could tell, not one soul noticed that I was open carrying!!
I'm brand new with this open carry thing. I just started a few days ago.(I've carried concealed for years) It seems with each open carry my nerves settle a little more. I'm amazed how alert it makes me. People are so consumed with whatever they are doing, it seems BG's would have a big number of easy targets. I can't see a BG choosing an alert armed man (or his family) for his next target?
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Bryan
GunTroll
04-29-2009, 18:43
How'd your op go?
The other way to look at is this....
I see a person who's in the open, and armed you are the first one I take out.
I would rather conceal and blend until the time comes. Open carry ups the anti and makes you a first target if something does happen.
Just my .02
Yes, person who's armed are ones who will be [most likely] taken out first. Usally ones that are on uniform open carry. That is why they usually wear body armor/ballestic vests.
However, Open carry is 10000000x better than not carrying at all. Carrying is better than not carying. IMHO. :)
ryanek9freak
04-29-2009, 19:19
Yes, person who's armed are ones who will be [most likely] taken out first. Usally ones that are on uniform open carry. That is why they usually wear body armor/ballestic vests.
However, Open carry is 10000000x better than not carrying at all. Carrying is better than not carying. IMHO. :)
YOu got that damn right. I've been carrying mine everywhere, and nobody seems to care much. Especially here in the springs, we're pretty gun loving people here, with all the military.
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 19:31
You guys couldn't be more wrong about open carry. The things you are saying are just myths that are easly explained away once you start learning about open carry. It's your right to open carry. The 2nd A says to keep and bear arms, not hide them under your coat. Do you think a bad guy is going to try and make an alert armed man his next target? Not very likely. To each his own though.
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 19:34
How'd your op go?
It was very tough. I can set off a metal detector butt naked. [ROFL2]I have a titanium bracket and six titanium screws in my neck! Not really sure about the metal detector though![ROFL1]
good to hear on the open carry. I wouldn't mind doing this myself, but need to research the info a lot. cops don't know if you are concealed, but they see you open carry and start to wonder a touch or at least question you on it.
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 19:42
good to hear on the open carry. I wouldn't mind doing this myself, but need to research the info a lot. cops don't know if you are concealed, but they see you open carry and start to wonder a touch or at least question you on it.
I sent you a pm with a link.
Mikester
04-29-2009, 19:55
It seems like at least 2-3 calls a week that the SO is called on for people that open carry. Someone gets freaked and calls the cops, then you have to sit there with 2 cops while they figure out if your a BG or GG. No thanks, it may be my right to open carry, but its not worth the hassle. Concealed carry all the way.
theGinsue
04-29-2009, 19:59
Growing up, my dad used to open carry all around the state (Gunnison, Crested Butte, Silverton, etc.). I tried this with a Blackhawk .357Mag in Crested Butte back in '05 after camping for a few days. I got tons of odd stares from folks. I was kindly asked (it was an implied demand) by the PD to secure the gun in my truck. I did - with me with it...left town.
If I open carry, i will bring the paperwork with me to show it is fine. they question it and I pull it out.
You guys couldn't be more wrong about open carry. The things you are saying are just myths that are easly explained away once you start learning about open carry. It's your right to open carry. The 2nd A says to keep and bear arms, not hide them under your coat. Do you think a bad guy is going to try and make an alert armed man his next target? Not very likely. To each his own though.
All though I completely agree, I would rather sling my AR across my back.
But I don't feel like sitting and chatting with the fuzz every time I turn around.
I seriously doubt that I'm completely wrong, maybe a little paranoid about making myself an open target as that is not how I'm trained. A determined criminal doesn't give a shit who's armed or not. They will take out the threat and carry on.
Mikester
04-29-2009, 20:30
If I open carry, i will bring the paperwork with me to show it is fine. they question it and I pull it out.
Yea and they will still detain and disarm you....run your information to make sure your not wanted and then tell you to be on your way. Seriously, is it worth the hassle??
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 20:40
A right not used will be a right soon lost. If it seems like I am on a campaign to recruit open carriers, I probably am. It just seems so important to me that we exercise our rights given to us in the constitution. The left has never tried harder to take our gun rights. We as gun owners should be vigilant in our fight against them, up to and including open carry. I have carried open in the mountains when elk hunting for years. No one up there has ever even paid one once of attention to me there. It's just a way a life. It should be a way of life here. Let me tell you though it's a whole new deal carrying in a big city. Kind of a rush! LMAO
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 20:46
Growing up, my dad used to open carry all around the state (Gunnison, Crested Butte, Silverton, etc.). I tried this with a Blackhawk .357Mag in Crested Butte back in '05 after camping for a few days. I got tons of odd stares from folks. I was kindly asked (it was an implied demand) by the PD to secure the gun in my truck. I did - with me with it...left town.
This is what I am talking about. That cop should have been prosecuted for violating your rights. He was the criminal, not you. It's time to stand up and exercise our rights. A lot of guys are carrying voice recordes and some are even carrying concealed video recorders to keep the bad guy cops that don't understand our rights and the law from putting a bogus charge on them. You guys say it's not worth the hassel to protect our second A rights! WTF This country needs an enema!
Jumpstart
04-29-2009, 20:54
A right not used will be a right soon lost. If it seems like I am on a campaign to recruit open carriers, I probably am. It just seems so important to me that we exercise our rights given to us in the constitution. The left has never tried harder to take our gun rights. We as gun owners should be vigilant in our fight against them, up to and including open carry. I have carried open in the mountains when elk hunting for years. No one up there has ever even paid one once of attention to me there. It's just a way a life. It should be a way of life here. Let me tell you though it's a whole new deal carrying in a big city. Kind of a rush! LMAO
I concur!
Mikester
04-29-2009, 21:07
This is what I am talking about. That cop should have been prosecuted for violating your rights. He was the criminal, not you. It's time to stand up and exercise our rights. A lot of guys are carrying voice recordes and some are even carrying concealed video recorders to keep the bad guy cops that don't understand our rights and the law from putting a bogus charge on them. You guys say it's not worth the hassel to protect our second A rights! WTF This country needs an enema!
Good lord....here we go again....the damn cops infringing on our rights!
Here's the deal slappy....someone called the cops on him because they were afraid that he had a weapon..happens all the time. The cop talked to him and asked him to put it in his vehicle as to not scare anymore people. It's a reasonable request. But keep up with the voice recorders trying to catch us dirty cops....you'll quickly turn into yet another douche bag I have to deal with on a daily basis.
On a side note....I would encourage you to open carry in Denver. I'd love to read about it in the paper.
I would say that running around open in Liberal Denver or the ever turning Kolorado is a choice for each to make for themselves.
I'm very active in protecting all our rights. This is my battle.
Mikester
04-29-2009, 21:14
I would say that running around open in Liberal Denver or the ever turning Kolorado is a choice for each to make for themselves.
I'm very active in protecting all our rights. This is my battle.
Now don't get me wrong....I'm very pro 2nd amendment....but unlike some, I don't have a hard on for open carry.
theGinsue
04-29-2009, 21:17
I chose to leave because the town had nothing that compelling me to stay and I didn't care to remove the gun. BUT I also realized that my carrying was creating a disturbance. Enough of that is a violation of the law. I liked the idea of open carrying and I was conscious of the fact that I was exercising my rights. I did not like the idea that by exercising my rights I was creating a problem and making othersuncomfortable with my presence. Had I had a reason to want to stay in Crested Butte a little longer, I would have quietly done as I was asked and secured the gun in my truck. Given the circumstances, it would have been the right thing to do.
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 21:33
Good lord....here we go again....the damn cops infringing on our rights!
Here's the deal slappy....someone called the cops on him because they were afraid that he had a weapon..happens all the time. The cop talked to him and asked him to put it in his vehicle as to not scare anymore people. It's a reasonable request. But keep up with the voice recorders trying to catch us dirty cops....you'll quickly turn into yet another douche bag I have to deal with on a daily basis.
On a side note....I would encourage you to open carry in Denver. I'd love to read about it in the paper.
It's not a reasonable request to infringe on our constitutional rights. If you are a cop and you think you have the right to ask me to put my constitutional rights in the car then your days are numbered. He has the right to have that weapon! Not you are any other cop has the right to take it away from him. It's going to change in Denver soon also. Denver will be contested again in court very soon and they will lose. I'm glad all cops aren't as dumb as you! Most of themn are good guys.
theGinsue
04-29-2009, 21:40
These are supposed to be friendly discussions where we are encouraged to express different viewpoints.
PLEASE, lets not go the personal attack route! PLEASE!
Colorado Luckydog
04-29-2009, 21:54
These are supposed to be friendly discussions where we are encouraged to express different viewpoints.
PLEASE, lets not go the personal attack route! PLEASE!
Your right, I let him get under my skin with the name calling. However I did send him a pm and told him what I think.
This country has some very basic rights and guidlines( The Constitution) that have kept us great for a lot of years. There are those that would take these rights and change those guidelines. Then there are those that will die to protect them. I am of the latter.
ryanek9freak
04-30-2009, 06:18
Now don't get me wrong....I'm very pro 2nd amendment....but unlike some, I don't have a hard on for open carry.
No offense Mike, but if that's how you feel, then why don't you try concealing your duty weapon and see how far that gets you.
I bet a criminal would see you as a MUCH easier target if they didn't see a weapon on you. Most of the Springs officers I have dealt with are suprisingly supportive of my decision to open carry. I've only been questioned one time, and they were very professional about it.
Chief_of_Scouts
04-30-2009, 08:52
....someone called the cops on him because they were afraid that he had a weapon..happens all the time. The cop talked to him and asked him to put it in his vehicle as to not scare anymore people. It's a reasonable request.
No, it is not. In fact it is completely unreasonable and as a citizen, I interpret it as an unlawful request. If the person open carrying is not handling the gun, brandishing or menacing, then the person "afraid" is making a false claim. With the exception of Denver, OC is legal in Colorado, plain and simple. (check local laws for applicable local ordinance)
On a side note....I would encourage you to open carry in Denver. I'd love to read about it in the paper.
Is that your professional legal advice?
I guess I need to start open carrying now.
Jumpstart
04-30-2009, 09:28
I don't close or open carry, but either way if I want to, that should be my option as per the 2nd. I don't think I need to be paperworked to conceal carry either. All this does is compromise law abiding citizens and their privacy (the 4th Amendment) IMHO.
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68Charger
04-30-2009, 09:35
I believe the overall goal of the open carry movement is to change public perception of an armed citizen...
why is it that people don't freak out when they see an armed Police officer, but panic & call one when they see someone dressed in normal attire that's armed?
They're well within their rights, they have no ill intent- but it scares some people.... which is what the open carry movement is trying to change... it would take time, but if it was common, and every time somebody called the police they were told "he's not doing anything illegal, and he has a right to arm himself" rather than dispatching an officer to harass him (if they don't have cause to believe he's a danger, then yes, I think it's harassment), then eventually they would all learn we're not going to accept their behavior of panic, and they've just to go learn to deal with it..
it's a culture change that has to occur- and in some places (as mentioned in this thread) the culture already accepts it... if someone is told it's not illegal, and that we WON'T ask him to put it away, and if you continue to place these complaint calls without cause, you'll be ticketed for false reporting (or other appropriate charge for harassing the police dept)
I didn't read MOST of the posts in this thread, so excuse me if someone beat me to this.
I always get such a laugh out of people saying that someone open carrying would get "taken out" first. What a joke. Anyone who believes that watches too many movies. No one robbing a liquor store wants to shoot anyone. They use a gun because it gives them a force advantage over someone who is unarmed. They don't want to use the gun in most cases, and rely on the unarmed person not realizing that. People robbing places with guns aren't any more aware than the sheep inside. If they see someone inside with a gun, then they'll just move on, the same that they would if they saw a uniformed cop standing in there. I promise you that no one is running into a busy grocery store with a gun, and scanning a crowd, looking at everyone's hips to see if they might be carrying. It's such a stupid comment to make that it is embarrassing.
I have not carried open for a few years now, but when I did I never had anyone call the cops on me or freak out because I had a GUN!!! like Ryan said it went unnoticed pretty much all the time, and its not like you could easily miss a Springfield 1911 TRP Operator. If an officer told me to put it in the car I would laugh and request he call his SGT out, at which point his SGT would explain to him THE CONSTATUTION!! I have more than one cop in my family so I am not cop bashing.
I got pulled over a few years ago and the officer asked to see my ID, I opened my wallet and when I pulled out my ID he saw my CCW permit, at which point he asked me if I was carrying. when I replied no he looked puzzled and said " why the hell not?"
what a cool cop.
jackmode9316
04-30-2009, 13:10
Well, why the hell not then? Inquiring minds want to know.
ChunkyMonkey
04-30-2009, 14:08
When you OC, use your judgment. Dont wear a hoodie w/ ripped jeans and have crossdraw holster! [ROFL1]
I only OC otw to shooting range, at shooting range and otw back. I have never had any issue. Couple months back in boulder at the quizno's, a plain clothed cop and a uniformed one spotted me in line ahead of them. I told them I was otw to the range at Lyons. They seemed to be annoyed more by the fact they might have to leave their spot in the sandwich line. The plain clothed one told me to be careful because they cannot have anyone complain about it. We ended up sitting next to them and got to chat up light conversation about the ammo shortage etc. Cool guys.[Beer]
The plain clothed one told me to be careful because they cannot have anyone complain about it.
What the hell did he mean by that? I would have asked him.
jackmode9316
04-30-2009, 14:58
I agree, so what if someone complained. Let them whine if they must, after all it is legal.
All the dispatchers have to do is this:
"Hello police? I'm shopping and there is a man with a gun here!"
"Okay, what is he doing?"
"It looks like he is shopping for milk. But he has a gun!"
"Is he holding the gun, or is it holstered?"
"It's attached to his hip in some sort of modified cell phone holder!"
"Sounds like it's holstered. Go ahead and call us back if he does something against the law." CLICK
Having a loud conversation is a "disturbance" but it's not worth calling the cops over.
ChunkyMonkey
04-30-2009, 15:36
Why does every event have to be a drama of our rights?
The cop was telling me if someone complained about OC, he has to respond to it. Nothing wrong w/ that statement. I wasn't offended whatsoever. Why would I want to be smartass and challenge a LEO?
We can exercise our rights all we want. Just be respectful to others' right. When some morons exercise their right to complain about your open carry, the LE have the obligations to check you out. You want to be loud and up in their face about your right, it is YOUR right. Why would one want to attract attention to him/herself, beats me! I personally don't need the hassle.
The cop already talked to you. If someone complained, then he'd say, "I already talked to that guy." We all realize that the police are obligated to check things out, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to remind the public that no one is breaking any laws.
If someone calls the police about loud music at 12 noon are the police obligated to respond? No, they can tell the person to deal with it until after 9:00pm. How is a gun any different?
ChunkyMonkey
04-30-2009, 15:44
Different is, cops have to run my ID if someone complains about my open carry. I know a few guys that carry everyday, mostly security guys. They dress properly and usually wear some kind of tags that hinted SECURITY. They don't get hassled at all. My issue is people who OC and dress like he/she is homeless. If one walked around in my neighborhood, I have no doubt call LEO on him.
Back to my original post.. just be respectful and dress properly if you want to OC.
A private security guard has no more right to carry than a private citizen. Might as well get one of those stupid fake badges that says "Concealed Carry Permit Holder" on it so you can get into trouble for impersonating an officer.
Colorado Luckydog
04-30-2009, 16:33
Different is, cops have to run my ID if someone complains about my open carry. I know a few guys that carry everyday, mostly security guys. They dress properly and usually wear some kind of tags that hinted SECURITY. They don't get hassled at all. My issue is people who OC and dress like he/she is homeless. If one walked around in my neighborhood, I have no doubt call LEO on him.
Back to my original post.. just be respectful and dress properly if you want to OC.
Cops do not have to run your ID if someone complains about your open carry. What they should do is inform the one complaining that you are not breaking the law and please do not call back unless you do.
ryanek9freak
04-30-2009, 17:12
I walked all over Colorado Springs Dodge, looking at the new Ram's, while I was waiting for a computer re-flash on my truck. I had my gun in plain sight the whole time, inside the dealership, and the only comments I got were "Nice Gun", and "Is it a Colt?" from the same salesman.
Well, I'm sure he thought you were a murderer. What did you expect him to say to you? "Hey buddy, ten bucks says you can't murder me with less than 3 rounds!"
lol
ryanek9freak
04-30-2009, 17:28
LOL! I woulda said, "You're on buddy, I'm carrying DRT (dead right there) frangible ammo. One shot and you'll bleed into your chest cavity in minutes!"
theGinsue
04-30-2009, 17:31
Colorado Springs Dodge? You were 5 minutes from my house. Watch those folks - they meet the stereotype of car salesmen to the "T".
ryanek9freak
04-30-2009, 18:41
Yeah, I know a couple of them pretty good. Honestly, all car salesman are hurting pretty bad right now. I actually feel bad for them, for the first time ever.
Chief_of_Scouts
04-30-2009, 20:34
Cops do not have to run your ID if someone complains about your open carry. What they should do is inform the one complaining that you are not breaking the law and please do not call back unless you do.
+1, in fact I agree with this statement so much, here's another +1!
ryanek9freak
05-01-2009, 05:51
[quote=foxtrot;114966]And as reasons I have stated before, there are situations that the difference between open carry and concealed carry leaves you bleeding on the pavement. If your intention behind open carry is assuming it will deter EVERY bad instance that can happen to you, you are running with severely flawed logic, and in the possible, but unlikely event that it doesn't deter - or perhaps even attracts the wrong kind of attention, it's your life to lose." End quote
I totally agree Foxtrot, I mean even cops get fired on all the time without warning. I carry open, more or less to break the stigma of firearms being on ones self. I want them to become as normal as a cell phone attatched to your hip. Besides, this is Colorado, WTF ever happened to having a peacemaker on your hip all the time anyway? Stupid progress.....
I think more than anything people see some one OC dressed in all black BDU's
(Battle Dress Uniforms for those who don't know) and walk around as though they are a member of some swat or MARSOC or some shit.
Just looking normal and blending in when you OC is a good thing.
ChunkyMonkey
05-01-2009, 11:17
Cops do not have to run your ID if someone complains about your open carry. What they should do is inform the one complaining that you are not breaking the law and please do not call back unless you do.
I wish I can say the same... for those who haven't met me [Tooth][Tooth].. I get stereotyped from time to time.
jackmode9316
05-01-2009, 11:51
I wish I can say the same... for those who haven't met me [Tooth][Tooth].. I get stereotyped from time to time.
Explain?
ChunkyMonkey
05-01-2009, 13:15
LOL.. you just have meet me once of these days. [Beer]
SSChameleon
05-01-2009, 13:20
MB888 - I think it's your accent.
ChunkyMonkey
05-01-2009, 13:22
Bull.. so being 6' and 270 lbs..and constantly running my mouth about being from North Korea doesn't affect anything!?!?!? [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL1]
ChunkyMonkey
05-01-2009, 13:23
ok, wifey just told me north korean can hardly grow beyond 5'4".. scratch that part.
Richard K
05-01-2009, 14:42
Do you think the sheeple who are frightened/concerned about open carry and call authorities will become acclimated to OC or do you think it's possible that when told by the cops it's legal, they will jump on the bandwagon for more restrictive gun control? I can see it now, "guns are everywhere being carried in the open, we need more gun control and I'll vote for it". Seems to be self defeating to me.
GunTroll
05-01-2009, 14:44
^above^ good point.
jackmode9316
05-01-2009, 15:32
Thats a pretty good point Richard.
I personally will probably Carry Concealed, simply because I am somewhat of a private person, and would prefer to talk to LEO's or whoever as little as possible. I also am not sure that I want ANYone else to know either.
Colorado Luckydog
05-01-2009, 20:20
Do you think the sheeple who are frightened/concerned about open carry and call authorities will become acclimated to OC or do you think it's possible that when told by the cops it's legal, they will jump on the bandwagon for more restrictive gun control? I can see it now, "guns are everywhere being carried in the open, we need more gun control and I'll vote for it". Seems to be self defeating to me.
I'm not buying this one at all. If you go to places where there is a lot of open carry you see zero oposition. I'm not going to give up my gun rights in fear of turning someone into a left wing liberal. That just doesn't make any sence at all.
I've done both.. I generally prefer concealed for a variety of reasons, being concerned that the cops are going to show up because someone was frightened because they saw a gun on my hip isn't one of them. I'm a CCW holder because I want to be able to carry concealed, not because I feel the need to hide my weapon from public view. This is why I don't concern myself overly about printing or accidentally having my weapon exposed in a store because I'm reaching up for something.
I think there's something to be said for making the OC statement.. whether you want to call it a fashion statement or not, it is a statement that we as gun owners, Constitutionalist and citizens should be able and willing to make.
What I find interesting here is the debate about increasing your potential personal threat level by open carrying. While 95% of the population does not look at things the way those of us who carry (by personal choice or by professional need) do. We are constantly assessing our environments for potential threats and risks. Open carry presents a few additional considerations that I think have been sufficiently hashed out. While I don't agree with some of the statements about clothing and personal presentation of demeanor, I think it is something to take into consideration.
If there are two of us side by side and one is dressed business casual, or even typical contemporary for Colorado and the other is dressed more like most kids do these days, I'm fully understanding why the one dressed down is more likely to be considered a threat. That by no means is justification for those judgements, but it's the social reality we deal with.
If you're already going to draw attention to yourself by OC'ing, you might consider what additional statements you are making with your choice of cloths. Right, wrong or indifferent.. these are the societal flaws we have to deal with. Being aware and remembering that you should always, regardless of your style of dress, social status or what ever pretext you wish to use.. conduct yourself with a higher degree of manners and courtesy is an abosulte must.
As usual, that's my less than humble 2 cents.. take from it what you will or don't.
Richard K
05-01-2009, 22:08
I'm not buying this one at all. If you go to places where there is a lot of open carry you see zero oposition. I'm not going to give up my gun rights in fear of turning someone into a left wing liberal. That just doesn't make any sence at all.
I didn't think you'd be swayed. Excersizing a right doesn't mean flaunting it. When you and others of your mindset continue to open carry don't be surprised when more restrictive gun control comes down the pike. We will all reap what you sow.
ryanek9freak
05-01-2009, 22:33
I didn't think you'd be swayed. Excersizing a right doesn't mean flaunting it. When you and others of your mindset continue to open carry don't be surprised when more restrictive gun control comes down the pike. We will all reap what you sow.
It's exactly that attitude that caused guns to have such a negative connotation today. They should be as common as cell phones.
Colorado Luckydog
05-01-2009, 23:06
I didn't think you'd be swayed. Excersizing a right doesn't mean flaunting it. When you and others of your mindset continue to open carry don't be surprised when more restrictive gun control comes down the pike. We will all reap what you sow.
If people can see me at Walmart with my wife and kids, wearing my gun while protecting my family in a safe manner, maybe we can educate them.
Hiding our guns and hoping they don't notice that we are armed is just short of retarded. The left winged liberals are fighting their fight and you just want to hide your guns and hope nobody notices. JEEEESH![Bang]
Colorado Luckydog
05-01-2009, 23:11
Richard, I should have known you were a LEO! LMAO! You should be able to carry open but not me! WTF! WTF WTF!
GunTroll
05-02-2009, 18:27
[Coffee]I like this debate. Good points on both sides!
Richard K
05-03-2009, 00:16
Richard, I should have known you were a LEO! LMAO! You should be able to carry open but not me! WTF! WTF WTF!
Actually, I need to update my profile. I retired after 36 years. From an LEO perspective I'd prefer open carry since I'd know who was armed. From the perspective of a private citizen and gun owner, I'd prefer that we not inflame non-gun owners and risk more restrictive gun laws.
Colorado Luckydog
05-03-2009, 07:00
Actually, I need to update my profile. I retired after 36 years. From an LEO perspective I'd prefer open carry since I'd know who was armed. From the perspective of a private citizen and gun owner, I'd prefer that we not inflame non-gun owners and risk more restrictive gun laws.
If the right for me to "keep and bear arms" inflames a non gun owner, that non gun ownwer can kiss my ass! We cannot be so naive that we think hiding our guns will make the dems go away. They want to take all of our gun rights one at a time. We need to be prepared and ready to fight a good fight to protect our rights. We neeed to recruit everyone we can and declare war on the ones that would stand in our way. There are those in the democratic party that think the constitution is out dated and should be re-written. (Obama) What part of "not to be infringed on" do they not get. I can understand the way that you are thinking but you could not be more wrong. Now is the time for us to exercise the rights we still have and to fight for the ones we have already lost. A right not used is a right that is pissed away.
ryanek9freak
05-03-2009, 07:49
If the right for me to "keep and bear arms" inflames a non gun owner, that non gun ownwer can kiss my ass! We cannot be so naive that we think hiding our guns will make the dems go away. They want to take all of our gun rights one at a time. We need to be prepared and ready to fight a good fight to protect our rights. We neeed to recruit everyone we can and declare war on the ones that would stand in our way. There are those in the democratic party that think the constitution is out dated and should be re-written. (Obama) What part of "not to be infringed on" do they not get. I can understand the way that you are thinking but you could not be more wrong. Now is the time for us to exercise the rights we still have and to fight for the ones we have already lost. A right not used is a right that is pissed away.
AND HOW!!!
Colorado Luckydog
05-04-2009, 18:08
Please clarify yourself.
When it comes to our constitutional rights being taken away I lose my cool. I have talked approx 13 of my friends and co-workers into getting their concealed permit this year. I have been directly responsible for close to 50 NRA memberships this year. Even though the NRA is not my favorite I think it serves a purpose. I send pro-gun emais and pm's to all of my co-workers daily. This is the recruitment of which I speak. I do not have my own militia! LOL[Beer]
The war I speak of is not the shooting of democrats![ROFL1] But defeating them by preserving our Constitution and every single right within it!! We need to recruit the sheeple and open their eyes. Trust me, the Dems and even Obama have noticed all of the millions of rounds of ammo and maybe even millions of guns that have been sold. It's not us being armed that alarms them, it's the sheer number of pro gun and gun owners there are. They don't want to be voted out and we have to let them know they will be if they jack with our constitutional rights.
mrgreencom
05-07-2009, 23:03
When it comes to our constitutional rights being taken away I lose my cool. I have talked approx 13 of my friends and co-workers into getting their concealed permit this year. I have been directly responsible for close to 50 NRA memberships this year. Even though the NRA is not my favorite I think it serves a purpose. I send pro-gun emais and pm's to all of my co-workers daily. This is the recruitment of which I speak. I do not have my own militia! LOL[Beer]
The war I speak of is not the shooting of democrats![ROFL1] But defeating them by preserving our Constitution and every single right within it!! We need to recruit the sheeple and open their eyes. Trust me, the Dems and even Obama have noticed all of the millions of rounds of ammo and maybe even millions of guns that have been sold. It's not us being armed that alarms them, it's the sheer number of pro gun and gun owners there are. They don't want to be voted out and we have to let them know they will be if they jack with our constitutional rights.
First of all, thanks, Luckydog! I think your post was the thing that got me thinking of open carry! I guess I was a sheeple, thinking it wasn't even legal. I open carried for the first time today (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=25597&forum_id=13)!
Now for my mini-rant:
Our second ammendment rights have already been largely taken away! The purpose was not for hunting or even protection from BG primarily, but to hold a tyrannical government in check! When it was written, the settlers had the same rifles (a bit better, actually) that the British troops were carrying and that's how they were able to resist, with relatively equal force. Today, we can't have automatics or grenades or rocket launchers (not feasably) and that's strike one against the second ammendment, no equal force. (obviously the military has weapons way out of our reach financially, but the point is most useful weapons have already been legislated against.)
Even the guns we can have, we can't actually "bear". Oh, sure it's our right to "bear arms", but only with a permit or if you're in this city in that state at just the right time and, heaven forbid, not in a school zone. You can have it in your car, but it has to be concealed, no in a case and locked, no the ammo has to be somewhere else.... If they made a law making it illeagal to ________, most everyone would just follow it. That's what's been going on for a long time, and very few stand up against and receive ridicule from gun-owner's as well as non. At what point do you actually use that right to stand against tyranny? I just don't see us sleeping Americans doing anything. [Bang]
Okay, not so very mini I guess, so I'll </rant> there.
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