Anti Hunters Cyber Bullying Colorado Huntress

[CO Hugh]

Here is an article on a local woman.


http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/03/27/colorado-hunter-in-cross-hairs-after-online-bullying-by-anti-hunting-activists/

Other links to story:

http://outdoorchannel.com/article.aspx?id=22325

News Posted 01-21-2014

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Colorado Hunter In Cross Hairs After Online Bullying By Anti-Hunting Activists


DENVER (CBS4)- A picture of a hunter posing on Facebook with her kill, a mountain lion, has put her in the cross hairs of groups that oppose hunting. She claims she’s being harassed online by animal activists- some have threatened her life.
“My first hunting experience was when I was three years old,” said Charisa Argys.
Argys lives in Buena Vista and grew up with a love of hunting after being introduced to the sport by her father.
“It’s always been quality time for us. It’s always been a time when we got to get away,” said Argys.
In February 2013 she hunted and shot a 175-pound male mountain lion. She posted pictures of her kill on the internet.
“I am very proud of what I had accomplished that day,” said Argys.
One year later that picture would result in online threats.
“My picture had been placed on an animal rights activist page,” said Argys.
That picture quickly made the rounds in cyberspace as anti-hunting organizations picked it up and re-posted it, along with hundreds of comments, some of them hurtful.
“They were calling me horrible names. They were saying they wanted to kill me, they wanted to see me dead, they called me fat, they called me ugly, they called me the B-word, they called me the C-word,” said Argys. “There really wasn’t anything they weren’t willing to call me and to say.”
One comment reads, “The only answer is to take out these psychopaths. Problem solved — animals saved.”
Another comment calls for “an eye for an eye.”
And another, “You are a disgrace to those of us who respect life, human and animal. I’d love to hunt YOU and hand YOUR head on my living room wall.”
“You know it was definitely cyberbullying. These were not just threats but I would say they were terroristic threats,” said Argys.
Argys’ shooting and killing the mountain lion is legal in Colorado.
“Absolutely it’s legal. It’s part of wildlife management,” said Colorado Parks and Wildlife spokesman Mike Porras. “You may not like hunting, we understand that. But there’s a right way and a wrong way to express your opinions.”
Porras said Argys is not the first female hunter to be the target of attacks on the internet.
“I mean there are Facebook pages harassing women that have posed with their harvest,” said Porras.
Argys said she did not expect that type of reaction when she posted her picture on the internet, “I had no idea that this type of behavior was going on.”
Argys said Silva Wadhwa, a former reporter with CNBC based in Germany, claims to have started the firestorm.
In a Facebook message to Argys, Wadhwa wrote that she doesn’t agree with trophy killing. She went on to state, “But I do not and will not ever condone or encourage insults, threats or death wishes.”
Argys said the internet comments continue but she vows not to be intimidated, “If I don’t stand up for myself and I don’t take a position on what I feel passionate about how can I expect my children to stand up if it happens to them?”
She also plans to keep hunting.
“It was an extreme hunt and it was well worth it,” said Argys.
According to the Colorado Parks and Wildlife, Argys hunted her mountain lion in an area where there is an effort to reduce the number of wild cats.

[Zundfolge]

The greatest response to threats delivered via the internet that I've ever seen is Ann Barnhardt's ... she made a video critical of Islam and has since received many death threats from "muzloids" around the world. She would give them flight numbers to fly into DIA and then driving directions to her front door and taunt them into showing up and killing her because she knew that anyone that was going to threaten her via the internet was a feckless coward and would never follow through with it (and if they did, they'd end up having to face down her with a pink, Hello Kitty AR15).

[KevDen2005]

The greatest response to threats delivered via the internet that I've ever seen is Ann Barnhardt's ... she made a video critical of Islam and has since received many death threats from "muzloids" around the world. She would give them flight numbers to fly into DIA and then driving directions to her front door and taunt them into showing up and killing her because she knew that anyone that was going to threaten her via the internet was a feckless coward and would never follow through with it (and if they did, they'd end up having to face down her with a pink, Hello Kitty AR15).

I like it

[trlcavscout]

So these bad ass's target women? Nough said.

[Delfuego]

This is why you just don't play with Facebook.

[davsel]

I'm all in favor of hunting what ever you wish, but,

Argys said she did not expect that type of reaction when she posted her picture on the internet, “I had no idea that this type of behavior was going on.”
Really?

[Ah Pook]

Internet tough guys.

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Internet_b6df65_1012659.jpg


Looks like the cat was taken cleanly and humanely.

[akumadiavolo]

Meh, don't cry over shit you get when posting things on the internet, no matter who you are or what it was.

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.

If you don't want to take your lumps, don't post it online. And no matter what quit crying like a little baby when you attention you don't want from something you put out there yourself

[hurley842002]

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.

I'm not a hunter myself, but there is a lot of fail in this post...

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.


You're so full of shit. When is the last time you hunter with you bare hands, or just a rock? I hunt to kill, feed my family and I do so in a ethical and legal manner. However - I use the quietest camo, most scent absorbing under layers, clearest glass, straightest bullets, i use topographic maps, I ride in a vehicle to get there, water proof boots etc. some times I win sometimes I lose.

[PSS]

Meh, don't cry over shit you get when posting things on the internet, no matter who you are or what it was.

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.

If you don't want to take your lumps, don't post it online. And no matter what quit crying like a little baby when you attention you don't want from something you put out there yourself

Yep. Full of shit.

[hurley842002]

You're so full of shit. When is the last time you hunter with you bare hands, or just a rock? I hunt to kill, feed my family and I do so in a ethical and legal manner. However - I use the quietest camo, most scent absorbing under layers, clearest glass, straightest bullets, i use topographic maps, I ride in a vehicle to get there, water proof boots etc. some times I win sometimes I lose.

Judging by the tone of his post, he probably doesn't hunt (likely doesn't agree with it), so since he doesn't, he thinks people who do hunt should use the hardest, least successful means possible. Kind of like people who don't like guns think you should have the smallest capacity mags to defend yourself with.

[PSS]

The argument between hunting methods have been around ever since mankind have been domesticated. Inline vs tradition muzzleloading. Traditional archery vs modern archery. Semi auto vs bolt action vs single shot. Rifle vs archery. Just get sick and tired of the elitist bs. Hunting should be a deep almost spiritual experience with nature. The means are not so important. Clean kills and not being wasteful with the kill is far more important than method. I BTW hunt with a compound bow, bolt action rifle, and a handmade Henry Trade rifle replica.

[Colorado Osprey]

Less than 1% of all hunters take 90% of the hunted game.
Most are just donating to protect wildlife and improve the state parks (yes that is where most of license fees go)

Most hunters are so unsuccessful that it is more or less camping and hiking with a gun.

I personally received a comment from someone I knew that said it was unfair to be able to hunt with a shotgun. It's too easy. You can't even miss. Or so he stated.

I took him to a sporting clays range to try it. Out of 250 rounds fired, he didn't even hit ONE clay!! He changed his mind that day.

Hunting, whether it is shooting a standing animal at close range, hitting a flying bird or attempting to shoot a fleeing animal takes trained skills. Maybe the primary skill is finding the game in the allowable season. Sometimes it is a difficult shot. Sometimes it is getting close enough to even take a shot. These are all skills that can be taught; but most are not born with.

I have no problem with anti-hunters and their opinion. Most have no idea how their food arrived in the grocery store. (fruits and vegtables included) They think meat comes in styrofoam containers.
Most of the time it just shows an intelligence level.

[sniper7]

Meh, don't cry over shit you get when posting things on the internet, no matter who you are or what it was.

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.

If you don't want to take your lumps, don't post it online. And no matter what quit crying like a little baby when you attention you don't want from something you put out there yourself


You failed the internet. Congratulations. Please don't post on something so haven't a clue about. You point yourself out as an ignorant asshole. Nobody likes ignorant assholes.

[sniper7]

As to the woman, I wouldn't post something you aren't willing to take flak on. But if I received death threats some some liberal anti-hunting douche bags I would invite them to try to take their threat to the next level. When I was finished I would get them mounted as well.

[Irving]

I'd get their number, then call them and say, "F YOU!" Haha, that'd show 'em.

[hurley842002]

I'd get their number, then call them and say, "F YOU!" Haha, that'd show 'em.

Lol

[Ah Pook]

I'd get their number, then call them and say, "F YOU!" Haha, that'd show 'em.
Do they have a Yelp page?

[02ducky]

Meh, don't cry over shit you get when posting things on the internet, no matter who you are or what it was.

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.

If you don't want to take your lumps, don't post it online. And no matter what quit crying like a little baby when you attention you don't want from something you put out there yourself


Like others have said this post is so full of fail

[hatidua]

In a society where everyone gets a trophy, anything other than 100% praise isn't going to work out very well.

[spqrzilla]

Meh, don't cry over shit you get when posting things on the internet, no matter who you are or what it was.

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.

If you don't want to take your lumps, don't post it online. And no matter what quit crying like a little baby when you attention you don't want from something you put out there yourself

Here's the deal for me. I won't tell you how to hunt. You don't tell me how to hunt. And then I don't have to embarrass you again.

[USMC_5-Echo]

I'd get their number, then call them and say, "F YOU!" Haha, that'd show 'em.

That reminds me of a story that I read awhile back where the author had an encounter with another guy and ended up calling him whenever he was having a bad day and say "you're an a$$hole" and hang up. Then after awhile he got bored of the single person and he had a run in with another guy who was selling a car so he wrote down that guy's phone number and address. Then he decided to have the ultimate fun and called guy 1 and said "you're an a$$hole" but instead of hanging up he waited. Guy 1 says "oh you're still on the phone, when I find you I'm going to beat you up." So the author gave guy 2's name and address. He then went to the address and watched the show.

[Ah Pook]

That reminds me of a story that I read awhile back where the author had an encounter with another guy and ended up calling him whenever he was having a bad day and say "you're an a$$hole" and hang up. Then after awhile he got bored of the single person and he had a run in with another guy who was selling a car so he wrote down that guy's phone number and address. Then he decided to have the ultimate fun and called guy 1 and said "you're an a$$hole" but instead of hanging up he waited. Guy 1 says "oh you're still on the phone, when I find you I'm going to beat you up." So the author gave guy 2's name and address. He then went to the address and watched the show.
http://www.icanhasinternets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/dwZ10.jpg

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

^^^. Hahaha that's some funny shit tharr.

[Gman]

This is why you just don't play with Facebook.
Face...wut? Never heard of it.

[battle_sight_zero]

Meh, don't cry over shit you get when posting things on the internet, no matter who you are or what it was.

But IMO shooting a animal hiding in a tree is not hunting, it's killing. Hunting is tracking an animal and killing it with a weapon you make yourself. Not using the latest tech you bought that someone else made in a factory that your are far too stypid to even understand to kill something.

If you don't want to take your lumps, don't post it online. And no matter what quit crying like a little baby when you attention you don't want from something you put out there yourself

This how you hunt mountain lions. You track them to a tree. They are not typically running around on the ground for a hunter to take a shot. When I hunt deer in the Fall I sometimes come across them because I hunt the same areas they do. They alway are in the high ground waiting for deer to pass and they always see me before I see them. As fast as they run there would be no chance of getting one if I was hunting them. I dont belive this hunter did any thing unethical, if she did DOW would be all over it. I applaud her for being a female hunter.

[buffalobo]

The Internet. The best place to be an expert with no knowledge, understanding or experience.

Lobbed from my electronic ball and chain.

[buffalobo]

Flinched and duped post.

[Zombie Steve]

How do you suppose that cat got so big?

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/images/smilies/whistling.gif

[Geology Rocks]

Find out organizations that have the photo posted and sue every single one of them for stealing your protected property. She has the copyright of that photo and I doubt they have her permission. Help them help animals by putting their ass out of business.

[Ronin13]

Find out organizations that have the photo posted and sue every single one of them for stealing your protected property. She has the copyright of that photo and I doubt they have her permission. Help them help animals by putting their ass out of business.

Not on FB... Everything you post on there voids your personal copy write. It says so in their terms and conditions.

Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk

[rockhound]

facebook sucks, that is all

when i was a kids growing up we had five kids to feed on a rural sherrif's salary. if we did not hunt we did not eat. we have hunted everything from squirrel to black bear and everything in between. the rabbits were about the only thing you could count on for a meal. everything else was a crap shoot as far as getting your tag filled.

[akumadiavolo]

You're so full of shit. When is the last time you hunter with you bare hands, or just a rock? I hunt to kill, feed my family and I do so in a ethical and legal manner. However - I use the quietest camo, most scent absorbing under layers, clearest glass, straightest bullets, i use topographic maps, I ride in a vehicle to get there, water proof boots etc. some times I win sometimes I lose.

3 years ago, wild boar hunting in Florida with my Uncle. We used knives and spears that we fashioned ourselves just for the hunt. We melted down the metal and made our own blades(my Uncle is a practicing blacksmith). Every bit was home made, other than the raw metal, which was scrap. Is that good enough for you? I have gone whitetail/fox/coyote/varmint hunting with a home made bow and arrows many times. So no, I am not full of shit.


Here's the deal for me. I won't tell you how to hunt. You don't tell me how to hunt. And then I don't have to embarrass you again.

I am not telling anyone how to hunt, I am just explaining that modern hunting has little challenge and is nothing compared to what it used to be in my opinion. You can hunt however the hell you please, and I will have whatever opinion of it I want. You having a different opinion doesn't embarrass anyone, but you thinking it might shows how much you seem to think of yourself. I know it goes against popular opinion in a circle such as this, but who cares, are people not entitled to have a different opinion anymore? Does everyone need to conform to your world view?


Judging by the tone of his post, he probably doesn't hunt (likely doesn't agree with it), so since he doesn't, he thinks people who do hunt should use the hardest, least successful means possible. Kind of like people who don't like guns think you should have the smallest capacity mags to defend yourself with.

As posted above, I have hunted many times and fully support it. I have been hunting hundreds of times in the last couple decades with dozens of people and dozens of different hunting styles. But I do think hunting should involve tracking and using skill to kill an animal, not tech, piss bottles and waiting.


You failed the internet. Congratulations. Please don't post on something so haven't a clue about. You point yourself out as an ignorant asshole. Nobody likes ignorant assholes.

I know a lot about hunting and have been doing so for over 20 years. I am not an ignorant asshole at all, you just seem to be a little intolerant and don't seem to be able to take someone else's opinion if it disagree's with yours. Sorry, I just don't qualify most modern hunters as true hunters anymore. Don't like that? Though, deal with it. Getting pissy on the internet may make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't accomplish anything. BTW nobody like assholes at all, and you have shown yourself to be a world class on with that antagonistic reply. Job well done.

[akumadiavolo]

I hate it when we turn on each other, but we'll intentioned or not, you came across as a pretentious hipster "I was hunting with toothpicks before it was cool" asshat.

Google 'persistence hunting' and then get back to me on challenging hunting methods.

Galaxy Note II + Tapatalk 2

That's fine, I was just stating my opinion as I see things. When I get behind the wheel of a car to take it around the track I prefer to have a car without all the modern electro-nanies on it. Am I a pretentious car hipster too for not wanting TCS and ESC on my sports car? I think all equipment in competitive sports(particularly Olympics, lots of issues with it there) should be standardized so everyone is on equal footing and no one has an advantage because their team has better gear, and winners are based on actual skill of participants, not a team of engineers behind the scenes. Sport hipster? I just like to see skill take precedence over tech.

I just often prefer the more "pure"(for lack of a better word) versions of things and a lot of the stuff surrounding modern hunting has taken away the skill of it all. I understand it does help new people get into it more easily and does have it's advantages as well, it's just not something I would take actual pride in when given all of the modern advances to make it easier.

I do happen to fall on the opposite side of the fence as well at times. I also play golf and there are the die-hards that say modern clubs and balls make the game easier(they do) and have ruined it and everything since the Big Bertha era should be banned. But I will take the newest hotness for my days on the course any day. But I also don't launch into childish attacks when people state their differing opinion on that issue.

[Ronin13]

3 years ago, wild boar hunting in Florida with my Uncle. We used knives and spears that we fashioned ourselves just for the hunt. We melted down the metal and made our own blades(my Uncle is a practicing blacksmith). Every bit was home made, other than the raw metal, which was scrap. Is that good enough for you? I have gone whitetail/fox/coyote/varmint hunting with a home made bow and arrows many times. So no, I am not full of shit.
Forgive my skepticism, but I don't believe that for one second. You melted down the metal and made your own blades? That makes no sense whatsoever, why would anyone do that? And now I have not been boar hunting yet, but something tells me that sticking one with a spear/knife would either make it run away and you can never catch it, or turn and gore the hell out of you. You criticize people for using "modern" methods stating it has little challenge... but then go completely opposite and say you hunted like the aboriginal Australians with spears? I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night... if you're actually not completely full of shit on this, I apologize, but I have a really hard time believing anyone would "smith" their own rudimentary weapons then actually go and hunt wild boar with them, successfully. I will believe the homemade bow and arrows though.

[sniper7]

3 years ago, wild boar hunting in Florida with my Uncle. We used knives and spears that we fashioned ourselves just for the hunt. We melted down the metal and made our own blades(my Uncle is a practicing blacksmith). Every bit was home made, other than the raw metal, which was scrap. Is that good enough for you? I have gone whitetail/fox/coyote/varmint hunting with a home made bow and arrows many times. So no, I am not full of shit.


Let let me guess, you used dogs in this scenario? Or you chased them down in a vehicle. Or they were trapped in a pen. Because there is absolutely no way you got one with a knife or spear running around Florida. So you are a straight up hypocrite. Why the fuck do you need to kill wild boars when you can buy fresh bacon anywhere? Ham is cheap at walmart. So yes, you are full of shit.


As posted above, I have hunted many times and fully support it. I have been hunting hundreds of times in the last couple decades with dozens of people and dozens of different hunting styles. But I do think hunting should involve tracking and using skill to kill an animal, not tech, piss bottles and waiting.

hundreds of times and this is the opinion you have, and you never once posted in our hunting forum here in nearly 3 years? Bullshit. You have been playing big game hunter too much. You and your video game testing job (unless you lie about that) don't count as being out in the woods hundreds of times. Get back to your moms basement and ask for more brownies....



I know a lot about hunting and have been doing so for over 20 years. I am not an ignorant asshole at all, you just seem to be a little intolerant and don't seem to be able to take someone else's opinion if it disagree's with yours. Sorry, I just don't qualify most modern hunters as true hunters anymore. Don't like that? Though, deal with it. Getting pissy on the internet may make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't accomplish anything. BTW nobody like assholes at all, and you have shown yourself to be a world class on with that antagonistic reply. Job well done.

I am very intolerant of ignorant people. Obviously you have never been on a big cat hunt, you don't know what is involved and you won't bother to research it. You don't know the cost involved, the time spent by the guide and hunter, the risk to the dogs, the challenge of just finding fresh tracks after a fresh snow at 1am. The hikes you take to see if the cat is the right one, the chance of losing the cat, the possibility the day you get up and get ready to go the DOW has closed the unit as the quota has been filled.

so please explain to me oh hunter among animal killers, where on your high horse and hundreds of hunts have you been and what lack of modern technology did you use to get there? Did you drive in a vehicle to your hunting grounds? Fly on an airplane?
Do you hunt birds? Do you process your own game? Do you keep it cold in a home made freezer or turn everything to jerky or salt it? Please please please explain to me what makes you believe you are better than this girl, than anyone on this board who hunts and how in your mind you really think you are a true hunter and not an ignorant worthless hypocrite who is a video game tester in his moms basement and absolutely FULL OF SHIT?

[CO Hugh]

in before the lock

[HoneyBadger]

Lol that escalated quickly...




in before the lock

Yep!

[akumadiavolo]

Forgive my skepticism, but I don't believe that for one second. You melted down the metal and made your own blades? That makes no sense whatsoever, why would anyone do that? And now I have not been boar hunting yet, but something tells me that sticking one with a spear/knife would either make it run away and you can never catch it, or turn and gore the hell out of you. You criticize people for using "modern" methods stating it has little challenge... but then go completely opposite and say you hunted like the aboriginal Australians with spears? I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night... if you're actually not completely full of shit on this, I apologize, but I have a really hard time believing anyone would "smith" their own rudimentary weapons then actually go and hunt wild boar with them, successfully. I will believe the homemade bow and arrows though.

Why would anyone build a car when they can just buy one? Why would anyone build their own home, or grow their own food? Hell, why even hunt when you can go to a store? My Uncle is a blacksmith by trade so it's not like making a few simple hunting tools is difficult. From start to finish it was an afternoon project. And why wouldn't I? It's a new experience I had never had and it was awesome.

Yes, spearing it does make it run, then you track it and finish it with a knife if you got a good enough initial hit. He says most of the time the boar does shake the spear and get away and you never see it again. My Uncle does this every season and I just joined him the one time. I wouldn't have the ability to do it on my own, but with his help it was a fun and successful hunting experience.

I was just giving an example that I was asked for. He asked when the last time I did it was and I told him. It's not like I am doing this all the time, just the once in fact, most of my hunting is with the bow I made for varmint and small game.

Do you not believe people would cast their own bullets and reload their own ammo? It's probably a shorter and easier process to make a couple simple blades than it is to do that.


Let let me guess, you used dogs in this scenario? Or you chased them down in a vehicle. Or they were trapped in a pen. Because there is absolutely no way you got one with a knife or spear running around Florida. So you are a straight up hypocrite. Why the fuck do you need to kill wild boars when you can buy fresh bacon anywhere? Ham is cheap at walmart. So yes, you are full of shit.

Using dogs is actually pretty common, but not needed in this case. My Uncle is quite experienced in boar hunting so he does not utilize any tracking help anymore. Spear hunting for boar in Florida is very common, I am not sure why that boggles your mind, I even have other co-workers who have done it as well. I never said people shouldn't hunt, I just said I wouldn't take pride in modern hunting. You don't even seem to grasp the simple concept of what I said so most of that last comment is irrelevant.

hundreds of times and this is the opinion you have, and you never once posted in our hunting forum here in nearly 3 years? Bullshit. You have been playing big game hunter too much. You and your video game testing job (unless you lie about that) don't count as being out in the woods hundreds of times. Get back to your moms basement and ask for more brownies....

I have posted here a total on 100 something times in the years I have been here, hunting, shooting, general or any other topic. This isn't the primary place I talk and I don't really enjoy talking to hunters and shooters online a lot because I run into so many people like you. Then you bust into your ignorant stereotype. Talk about hypocrisy. But that job info is out of date, I am a project manager instead of a tester and now work primarily on business related software. And my house doesn't even have a basement, it's a tri-level. Just FYI.

I am very intolerant of ignorant people. Obviously you have never been on a big cat hunt, you don't know what is involved and you won't bother to research it. You don't know the cost involved, the time spent by the guide and hunter, the risk to the dogs, the challenge of just finding fresh tracks after a fresh snow at 1am. The hikes you take to see if the cat is the right one, the chance of losing the cat, the possibility the day you get up and get ready to go the DOW has closed the unit as the quota has been filled.

so please explain to me oh hunter among animal killers, where on your high horse and hundreds of hunts have you been and what lack of modern technology did you use to get there? Did you drive in a vehicle to your hunting grounds? Fly on an airplane?
Do you hunt birds? Do you process your own game? Do you keep it cold in a home made freezer or turn everything to jerky or salt it? Please please please explain to me what makes you believe you are better than this girl, than anyone on this board who hunts and how in your mind you really think you are a true hunter and not an ignorant worthless hypocrite who is a video game tester in his moms basement and absolutely FULL OF SHIT?

Nope, never been on a big cat hunt. And I don't care if it's how it's done, chasing an animal into a tree and shooting it down is not impressive. Again, I never said people shouldn't do it, but taking pride in it is not something I would do after shooting an animal in a tree.

Those other things are not related to the hunt itself. I do use vehicles to get there, but not for the hunt itself. I don't have a problem with people wearing shoes either, just in case that one was next, since you really went off the deep end there. And again I never said I am a "true hunter" or better than anyone else. You just seem to like to insert your own thought into this despite me not actually having said it.

Then again you go into a stereotypical and ignorant rant about my profession. You are a very good example of why I don't generally like talking to the gun community online. Too many intolerant people who just like to be an ass to others who disagree and are unable to accept anything outside of their narrow world view, it's like being on VWVortex all the time. You are the kind of person that turn so many people off to the shooting world and it's kinda sad.

[Ronin13]

Apples and oranges friend- most people I know who build cars do so from a pre-existing model... and the rest of it, you're comparing something that's totally different to the point I was making. I understand making your own bow, I understand doing a rifle build, but I don't understand going back to a technology that has been proven by history to be beyond obsolete. Spear fishing is one thing, but spear hunting? Maybe I don't get it, but the practice doesn't interest me at all... seems to me to be extremely counter productive.

And pride? You don't think people should take pride in hunting with modern methods? Rifles have been used for hunting since rifles were invented... guess our forefathers can't be proud of putting food on their table, in your eyes. Do you want to put yourself on a more even plane with your prey? Is that why you use knives and spears? I'd rather have a slight advantage (and rely on my skills in using my weapon). That's what separates the men from the animals, our ability to create and use tools. I understand your stance on purity in hunting, but to criticize others for their methods? Being pompous in saying "I wouldn't take pride in shooting an animal" that just comes off as being a massive douche. Not trying to belittle you, just trying to give you a little perspective. Personally, I find hunting a predatory animal, like a mountain lion, to be pretty impressive no matter how it's done. You may disagree, but being an ass about it is probably not the best way to go. Just my advice.

[HoneyBadger]

Not that I know anything about hunting mountain lions, wild boar, or squirrels, but if I was going to hunt dangerous animals, I would want every advantage available. Sure, I recognize the awesome skill that it takes to track an animal through the wilderness on foot and then sneak up on it and kill it cleanly, but if you're trying to put food on the table, why make it harder than it has to be? If it is about challenging yourself, then who cares which method you prefer? You want to kill boar with a spear like a neanderthal. I would rather use an AR-15. Who cares? Get your goddamned finger out of my chili.





Also, hunters are stupid and mountain lions should rule over us like in The Lion King.

[davsel]

I am all about a clean kill. That's the main reason I do not bow hunt - though I have seen amazing clean kill shots with bows, I would rather not take the chance.
Modern hunting tools (guns, scopes) allow for far greater odds of making a clean kill. Stabbing an animal with a stick and tracking it down to finish it off is not my idea of a clean kill.

[akumadiavolo]

Apples and oranges friend- most people I know who build cars do so from a pre-existing model... and the rest of it, you're comparing something that's totally different to the point I was making. I understand making your own bow, I understand doing a rifle build, but I don't understand going back to a technology that has been proven by history to be beyond obsolete. Spear fishing is one thing, but spear hunting? Maybe I don't get it, but the practice doesn't interest me at all... seems to me to be extremely counter productive.

And pride? You don't think people should take pride in hunting with modern methods? Rifles have been used for hunting since rifles were invented... guess our forefathers can't be proud of putting food on their table, in your eyes. Do you want to put yourself on a more even plane with your prey? Is that why you use knives and spears? I'd rather have a slight advantage (and rely on my skills in using my weapon). That's what separates the men from the animals, our ability to create and use tools. I understand your stance on purity in hunting, but to criticize others for their methods? Being pompous in saying "I wouldn't take pride in shooting an animal" that just comes off as being a massive douche. Not trying to belittle you, just trying to give you a little perspective. Personally, I find hunting a predatory animal, like a mountain lion, to be pretty impressive no matter how it's done. You may disagree, but being an ass about it is probably not the best way to go. Just my advice.

That's fine. Most hunters will agree with you. I just prefer to make things I do more challenging instead of less, it really boosts the sense of accomplishment and enjoyment. The racing example I have is a perfect analogy, I am far more impressed and feel better about it when there are no electro-aids than when someone uses every modern advantage they can get. The more challenge you take out, the less enjoyable and less impressive the activity is. That is all I am saying. And I am not saying everyone should be out there spear hunting, I have only done it once myself, it's just a statement about taking pride in doing something that you can only really do because off all of the advantages given to you by other people. To me it's like taking pride in getting an A on a test when you copied most of the answers from your neighbor.

People can take pride in whatever they want. I could still enjoy it, but I am not going to brag about how all my tech and advantages let me bag an animal.

That's fine. I don't really care how I come off, I just speak my mind as I see it. And I was not being an ass, there is no more gentle way to say what I said. It was the others who launched into the childish personal attacks, not me. I never called anyone ignorant, a douche, asshole, moron ect. for having an opposing opinion. That was exclusive to other users. I never even criticized others for doing it or taking pride in in, just stating that I have a different perspective. Some people say they take pride in being a hustler/gangsta, would I be a douche for saying I wouldn't take pride in that? To them I probably would be, but that doesn't make it true. It just means that they are taking the issue personally, so to them it appears more offensive than it really is, which is probably what is occurring here. All I did was state an unpopular opinion, I didn't attack anyone or anything like that.

[sniper7]

Using dogs is actually pretty common, but not needed in this case. My Uncle is quite experienced in boar hunting so he does not utilize any tracking help anymore. Spear hunting for boar in Florida is very common, I am not sure why that boggles your mind, I even have other co-workers who have done it as well. I never said people shouldn't hunt, I just said I wouldn't take pride in modern hunting. You don't even seem to grasp the simple concept of what I said so most of that last comment is irrelevant.


You still didn't answer how you hunted them, how your uncle was able to track down and kill with a spear an animal that is mostly nocturnal and almost always requires dogs to kill with a knife or spear unless they have been trapped. Please explain how this happened....post some pictures of your spear and the killed hogs.



I have posted here a total on 100 something times in the years I have been here, hunting, shooting, general or any other topic. This isn't the primary place I talk and I don't really enjoy talking to hunters and shooters online a lot because I run into so many people like you. Then you bust into your ignorant stereotype. Talk about hypocrisy. But that job info is out of date, I am a project manager instead of a tester and now work primarily on business related software. And my house doesn't even have a basement, it's a tri-level. Just FYI.


You said you have HUNTED HUNDREDS of times. So you are telling me you only hunt with your own handmade bow and you find dozens of people just willy nilly without talking to them online who are into the same thing and will hunt with you?Please excuse my cou*bullshit*gh.
Out of all my years of hunting, of all the hunters I have met, of all the animals I have killed, of all the times I've taken animals to the processor and all the hunting shows I've attended and all television shows of hunts I've watched...gives me the knowledge to know you are full of shit.

ill explain to you why hunters don't enjoy talking to you, because of your attitude toward their way of life, toward the way they were raised and your general attitude that what we do is not sporting, hard, or a lifelong learning event. You act like it is nothing to spend the time, money, effort, etc on hunting, all when most people have relatively low success rates. You belittle them by telling them their technology doesn't make them hunters, it makes them killers. I don't care if it is online or in person, I would call you an asshole right to your face if you told me that.


and you are okay using a truck to get to your hunting grounds, probably an atv to help pack it out, but using a bow or firearm to cleanly take an animal is not ethical in your mind and makes anyone who uses them just killers of animals? How many hogs did you stick with your spear that You didn't find?
you are very obviously not a hunter as no hunter I have EVER met has this attitude. Some guys may be purist now hunters and only hunt with a long bow or recurve but I haven't met any who weren't dropping their jaw at a trophy animal taken with a compound. The hunt is much more than the final kill. The hunt is the chase, the opportunity to be outdoors with the animals, to see other animals even if they aren't the game you are after. The hunt is spending time with your friends, your family, and passing down the traditions. Hunters take pride in the fact they contribute so much to the economy of small towns, they fund wildlife programs, they get kids into shooting and hunting and fishing.

so you coming on here belittling people in their way of life makes you an asshole and proves to me you are not a hunter. In my mind you are a troll.
You are right, I am intolerant of people who speak lies about something they know little to nothing about. That is why so many people jumped on your initial post and why your follow up posts were jumped on by me.

with that, I'm done with this thread.

[akumadiavolo]

You still didn't answer how you hunted them, how your uncle was able to track down and kill with a spear an animal that is mostly nocturnal and almost always requires dogs to kill with a knife or spear unless they have been trapped. Please explain how this happened....post some pictures of your spear and the killed hogs.

Yep, I actually did. Again showing that you don't seem to actually be reading what I am saying.

You said you have HUNTED HUNDREDS of times. So you are telling me you only hunt with your own handmade bow and you find dozens of people just willy nilly without talking to them online who are into the same thing and will hunt with you?Please excuse my cou*bullshit*gh.
Out of all my years of hunting, of all the hunters I have met, of all the animals I have killed, of all the times I've taken animals to the processor and all the hunting shows I've attended and all television shows of hunts I've watched...gives me the knowledge to know you are full of shit.

Nope. I actually said I have hunted with many different styles. Including with all the newest hotness tech. I just said I don't brag about it. AGAIN showing that you are not reading what I am saying and you are instead just inserting whatever thought you want and replying to that. And you do know there is a world outside the internet, right? And that people with common interests have been managing to find each other since long before the internet existed. I have met literally thousands of people in the real world, some of them have common interests and some do not. That is how I tend to meet the people I interact with. I have also played golf with hundreds of people, not a single one I met online. People do seem to be able to figure this out, somehow.


ill explain to you why hunters don't enjoy talking to you, because of your attitude toward their way of life, toward the way they were raised and your general attitude that what we do is not sporting, hard, or a lifelong learning event. You act like it is nothing to spend the time, money, effort, etc on hunting, all when most people have relatively low success rates. You belittle them by telling them their technology doesn't make them hunters, it makes them killers. I don't care if it is online or in person, I would call you an asshole right to your face if you told me that.

Yes, like I said, they are unwilling to tolerate an opposing opinion. Just like saying I don't want to converse with gangstas because I would not approve of their lifestyle. And it's fine to call me an asshole. From what you have shown here I wouldn't put any stock into your opinion of me anyway. It seems to be based mostly on things I didn't even say.

and you are okay using a truck to get to your hunting grounds, probably an atv to help pack it out, but using a bow or firearm to cleanly take an animal is not ethical in your mind and makes anyone who uses them just killers of animals? How many hogs did you stick with your spear that You didn't find?
you are very obviously not a hunter as no hunter I have EVER met has this attitude. Some guys may be purist now hunters and only hunt with a long bow or recurve but I haven't met any who weren't dropping their jaw at a trophy animal taken with a compound. The hunt is much more than the final kill. The hunt is the chase, the opportunity to be outdoors with the animals, to see other animals even if they aren't the game you are after. The hunt is spending time with your friends, your family, and passing down the traditions. Hunters take pride in the fact they contribute so much to the economy of small towns, they fund wildlife programs, they get kids into shooting and hunting and fishing.

I never said anything about ethics. Hell, spear hunting is probably one of the least ethical ways to kill an animal and I did that without a second thought. You are once again showing a massive failure to understand what I am even saying and are just replying to thoughts that no one has expressed but yourself. I agree, the hunt is the chase, and the chase is the element made most easy and least impressive by modern tech. That was my point the whole dang time man. And I love all the other elements you mentioned. The main reason I hunt in ways that I am not such a fan of is the reasons you mentioned, but like I said I just don't brag about how awesome I am because of all the tech I bought.

We stuck 3 hogs. Two we found and took, one got away and took a spear with it. But again, at no point has this been about ethics.

so you coming on here belittling people in their way of life makes you an asshole and proves to me you are not a hunter. In my mind you are a troll.
You are right, I am intolerant of people who speak lies about something they know little to nothing about. That is why so many people jumped on your initial post and why your follow up posts were jumped on by me.

Again, I never belittled anyone's way of life. I am not saying anyone shouldn't do anything, just expressing my opinion about the difficulty and sense of accomplishment. I have even stated I feel the same way about racing and other competitive sports, it's not even about hunting in particular. That's not belittling anything. It just seems at no point in this entire thread have you once understood what I am saying or responded to the core idea I presented.

with that, I'm done with this thread.

Wait, you ask for more info, then say you are done? How does that make sense? Just another piece of the puzzle falling into place.

[Irving]

Almost page 3 and no one has suggested a beard growing contest to settle this completely arbitrary and unnecessary dick battle.

[Ronin13]

Almost page 3 and no one has suggested a beard growing contest to settle this completely arbitrary and unnecessary dick battle.
I'm not an expert in facial hair contests, but would it be improper of me to put $5 on Sniper?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Almost page 3 and no one has suggested a beard growing contest to settle this completely arbitrary and unnecessary dick battle.

Don't you have some episodes of queer eye for the straight guy to watch so you can learn to dress?

[akumadiavolo]

Almost page 3 and no one has suggested a beard growing contest to settle this completely arbitrary and unnecessary dick battle.

Unfortunately my Native American blood precludes me from having any chance. Now, it it's a patchiest most multi colored attempt I would have a chance.

[Irving]

I'm not an expert in facial hair contests, but would it be improper of me to put $5 on Sniper?

Yes it would be improper. You can't bet on the other guy when you are in the contest. Where you raised by Congress or something?

[Irving]

Don't you have some episodes of queer eye for the straight guy to watch so you can learn to dress?

That's a dick battle I want no part of...

[Ronin13]

Yes it would be improper. You can't bet on the other guy when you are in the contest. Where you raised by Congress or something?
Raised by them? No... But I've been told since being a young lad that we can trust members of Congress... Look up to them.... Right? [LOL]