View Full Version : anyone have problems with ar15.com?
i was a member there for about a year, bought and sold some stuff, made posts etc. bought a scope from a guy who only accepted MO, and the MO got lost. granted i was stupid for not having the receipt or back tag, but it was only for $45 so i didn't really think about it. anyways, told the guy i could send him a new one while i try to find out what happened, but instead he opens a complaint, gets me banned without even being able to say what happened or what was going on. anyone else have this happen? apparently if you don't have over 1k posts, your views are worthless. they started a thread about me that i can't answer in because i am banned, and everyone saying how i welched on the deal and the guy won't reply to my emails. its crazy!
I have not had any issues with anyone of the board. Granted I try to make every transaction a FTF to avoid such issues.
Seriously? AR15 has had this reputation for ever. That place is full of douche bags. That's why I spend time here.
I'm sorry, I came off like a dick.
Yes, you are not the only one to have this problem. ARFCOM is VERY well known for antics like this.
PM me the details. I'll see if I can use my magic powers to find out what happened and or why.
yeah it seems people here are a lot nicer and understanding. ill just post the details, its no big deal or anything. basically i told a guy id buy his spotting scope. i had bought and sold several things on the board, never a problem. anyways, he only accepts money order so ok, i go to the post office, send one off for $45. generally i do get delivery confirmation, but i wasn't that worried about it, its $45 and ive never had issues with usps. stupid on my part, i know, and i own that. anyways, a week later the guy emails me asking where it is. i had a six hour exam so didn't get it til that night, but before i could even respond an action had been opened against me and all these people were posting in the thread about how it must be a welch, etc, etc. i get on am im like what the hell, can you give me even half a day to answer you? i mean i figured we could hand it outside of the site, and if it couldn't get resolved thats when you go to the site. anyways, i didn't have the stub either, so i called usps, they said they can't track it without that unless someone tries to cash it. so i call them again like a week later and some random guy tells me someone tried to cash it and they asked for id and it was someone else so they cut it up. he said i could give his number to a clerk at my post office and he could explain. sounds weird, but whatever. im not sure if hes just covering usps's ass or what. i email the guy and tell him i can resend it if he still wants to go through with the deal, but he never replies. so, my account gets banned, without anyone telling me, and they go on and on in the thread about how much BS it is and how im a liar and welcher, and of course i can't respond.
finally after three months i email the site and ask whats up with my account, they tell me its banned until i resolve the issue. i said i tried contacting the guy and he never responded. so they in turn call me names, tell me its not their fault, i need to solve the problem yada yada. even if i could, i wouldn't take my account back. theyre all a bunch of douches
ive had a few help me out, but easily twice as many say things for stupid questions, not an expensive enough rifle, not an expensive enough scope, why would you ever spend under $1200 for a rifle, etc, etc. its so annoying
ok, sorry for the vent and long story. i just felt like i needed to get it off my chest. ive got over 150 100% positive feedbacks on ebay and several on ar15.com, they won't even give me the benefit of the doubt.
There are always 2 sides to every story.
I haven't really had any problems on arfcom.
only got a 2 day suspension once because some guy had pmags for $40 each and I offered him $15 each (about 10 of them)
nothing happened for about 2 weeks, but after 3 or 4 guys ragged on him about the price, a mod came in and locked us all for 48 hours.
I emailed him and said mine was a legit offer and I would have paid had he accepted. he unlocked me right away and that was that.
id din't have a single issue for almost a year. well, except the random comments about how my del-ton $600 rifle wasn't good enough and my $100 scope wasn't good enough, but you can get that anywhere. i just feel like theyre sticking it to me just because, without even hearing me out.
I signed up and it seemed ok, then one day I got banned for using the word 'negro'.
the mod that banned me is black, go figure.
I sent several emails trying to correct the situation. I got one reply from the site owner that told me to work it out with the mod. The mod would not return my emails.
racist, childish douchebags. if that's you then arfcom is right up yer ally.
Been banned once for asking a question about a for sale ad. But lately when I get back on I get tired of how long it takes to load so I leave.
yeah sounds about right. its really sad too because its a great database of knowledge and expertise. dirty shame
it seems that i saw your posts as trolling(ok not trolling mostly. just argumentative like a little kid in the sales dispute... when that happens and no payment is found it looks like welching. best just to man up and say i messed up. but not my choice. i wouldnt have banned you for that. and then with the whole thing of asking everyone if you could pay them to load ammo for you.(a felony without the license) i would say you were probably banned for more than one reason. ( asking people to load ammo for money for you wasnt a good idea, but having your location as illinois and asking for help in colorado really looked off. probably should have changed your location first. although in the case of paying someone to load ammo for you it wouldnt have helped
sniper7 will remember, since he chastized you on both this site and the arfcom site.
and then here you are stirring up hate and discontent on this site.
ever consider i am new to the game and didn't know it was such a big deal? i have a friend in the military that did it for me for money for a long time, never thought anything of it. its possible you didn't read every post, but as i said, i told him i can send a new MO, boom, case should be resolved. but instead he doesn't answer and thus i am banned. and what are you talking aobut sniper 7 chastizing me on both sites? i can talk about a bad experience about any site i want. if you bought something from a website and they screwed you over you wouldn't come over and complain and see if its happened to anyone else? ill make sure i remember that and tell you youre just "spreading hate"
also, you must not have read the posts because i DID own the mistake since i never got delivery confirmation or kept the stub. i said that several times. i never once said it was anyone elses fault (except maybe usps). then said id send him a new one, what more do you want? they say i can't be reactivated until i settle the dispute, i clearly tried to do that and the guy never responded so im banned for life. that seems fair to you, really?
everyone on this site is an adult. don't give me this stirring up hate and discontent BS. people are free to believe whatever they want, im simply asking if anyone else has had a similar experience and what they think of it. clearly other people have, so im thinking its not just me.
I know that if you have not put at least 2k into building your own ar you a kind of looked down upon!
ok i am done with you. you clearly are a little kid on his parents computer. you act just like a spoiled little kid. instantly throwing a tantrum instead of an intelligent conversation between adults... so i will no longer waste anymore time.
intelligent conversation?! you practically just called me out about asking a favor that is a federal offense. ever think that some people just don't know these things? you act exactly like a lot of people on ar15.com. if they know something and you don't, theyll blast you for it and say how stupid it is. everyone starts from scratch at some point, and thats me right now. i am sure one day, long ago, you didn't know something too. if you try really hard i am sure you can remember it.
im not acting like a spoiled kid, i just don't like being labeled and accused of something i either didn't do on purpose or didn't know about.
besides, that wasn't even a tantrum. its the internet, you can't tell my attitude from my typing. of course im going to defend myself and give you the facts, you called me out, what do you expect?
jackmode9316
05-01-2009, 09:26
Sounds to me like a bunch of snooty d**kheads. Especially with the way ColoJoe is responding to all of this. Seems like a lot of banhappy "Hall Monitors" instead of "mods". No thanks.
Co-ar15.com suits my needs just fine.
yeah this site has been great. lots of people willing to help out.
They are smarter then most of us.[ROFL1] I would trust info from the boys on this board before the retarts over there. I know there there are alot of switch hitters so I'll watch myself.
Yeah, I got banned. My Dad posted something and they thought it was me under a new name.
Pay lots of money to them and you can do what ever you want. I CAN PROVE THAT!!!!!
Things I learned over there.
1. Colts are king. If you ever say anything wrong or like RRA better, you are put on a list.
2. If you ask a dump ? you will be flamed.
3. If you know something they don't, you'll get banned.
4. Everyone is a grammar nazi.
5. They look for anything to hurt you, so they can feel better about themselves.
[Wow2]
yeah sounds about right. its really sad too because its a great database of knowledge and expertise. dirty shame
Really? Must have been visiting a different section than I did.
Anyway, what is the deal with the Federal Offense comment? I can only assume that means that you need to be licensed to sell reloads commercially?
What's the difference between selling a used gun and selling reloaded ammo?
1. Colts are king. If you ever say anything wrong or like RRA better, you are put on a list.
2. If you ask a dump ? you will be flamed.
3. If you know something they don't, you'll get banned.
4. Everyone is a grammar nazi.
5. They look for anything to hurt you, so they can feel better about themselves.
6. The answer to every pistol question is "Glock 19."
[Wow2]
There, I fixed your list for you. Knowledgeable indeed...
ChunkyMonkey
05-01-2009, 10:58
LOL.. true.
Glock 19 beats everything...
It's supply and demand...
Colt is the best ar-15 ever made...
Just for the hell of it..someone should post an airsoft M4 onto their picture thread... I ll buy the popcorn!
jackmode9316
05-01-2009, 11:43
Just for the hell of it..someone should post an airsoft M4 onto their picture thread... I ll buy the popcorn!
Is that a challenge?
*looks for airsoft picture*[Twist]
GunTroll
05-01-2009, 12:32
Hate the site! Way to smarty pants for me. I don't even know the damn language some of them speak. Seems like a bunch of bullies Trolling around making fun of "less" intelligent people who don't know their secret lingo and have the insider knowledge. As someone said and I believe the guy who started this thread..all start from somewhere. Crawl-walk-run. I bet some of the people over there have more computer time under their belt than trigger time. I can just see em' playing with there new erector set gun (AR-15) while sitting in there computer chair down in moms basement.
There my rant is over!
ChunkyMonkey
05-01-2009, 13:28
Is that a challenge?
*looks for airsoft picture*[Twist]
Dude.. not only I dare you.. I ll be the newb who will defend you that whatever airsoft picture you'll be posting is REAL gun.
haha, you do NOT want to go down the airsoft road. ive seen some straight nasty threads about that. in illinois it was tough to have guns because of the laws and lack of public land, so we had the high end airsoft guns and would play (just like paintball) for fun in the summer. funny thing is i shopped around and dealt in airsoft guns for a year or so (believe it or not there is a HUGE community nationwide) and ended up making $1500 profit from buying and selling things at great prices, thus had enough to buy to ar's, a 20 inch and 16 inch, when i moved out here. i will forever be indebted to the airsoft community for that!
i posted that once and got laughed at for about 4 pages
jackmode9316
05-01-2009, 14:07
Well, airsofts ARE real guns......LOL.
Circuits
05-01-2009, 14:19
Anyway, what is the deal with the Federal Offense comment? I can only assume that means that you need to be licensed to sell reloads commercially?
What's the difference between selling a used gun and selling reloaded ammo?
The difference is that you didn't manufacture the used gun.
You can't reload ammo and offer it for sale, because the act of reloading it is manufacturing ammunition from components.
Manufacturing guns or ammunition for the purpose of resale requires an FFL, and to do so without an FFL is a federal crime.
jackmode9316
05-01-2009, 14:23
What if the said person "donated" money for extra supplies.
Reloaded ammo as a gift is not a federal crime, is it?
[NoEvil]
taken from an earlier thread on the subject. about arfcom. there are a zillion members. some bad, most good. some get grumpy when asked to do illegal things, some get grumpy when asked something that is in a previous post. some of the people want to see if you can read before they spoon feed you the answers. i generally try to keep my mouth shut on both sites. i read and try and learn. and i have been shooting for the last 35 or so years. but allways more to learn.
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Plinker
Join Date: Sep 2008
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http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif Iirc...
As long as he provides any one of the three major components, or does the labor, it's not considered manufacturing for sale. As far as shipping goes, you have to label it ORM-D and use a special container if you pack it in cardboard (special high-strength cardboard). If you use a strong inner container, like an ammo can, you can package it any way you like.
But the ORM-D is required, it's not considered a hazardous material WHEN it's loaded, as opposed to primers or powder, so no hazmat fee applies.
GunTroll
05-01-2009, 14:42
Thanks for bringing up that guy. He's so friendly and polite. Haven't seen him in here since we last posted to each other.
I beleive his post on this matter to be true though.
i bought a gun from him probably 4 years ago. he was a stand up guy. he carries a gun for a living. if i remember right you were not very nice to him online either. it was more like a giant cussing, pissing festival. but that is none of my worries.
jackmode9316
05-01-2009, 15:26
So you could basically trade a lot of powder for some reloads and be good? Or Im assuming primers or Casings?
Sounds reasonable to me.
"So you could basically trade a lot of powder for some reloads and be good? Or Im assuming primers or Casings?
Sounds reasonable to me."
legally, i have no idea. but, the potential for problems loading for someone else is astronomical. i am not talking about family or your best friend. but if you loaded ammo for someone who you barely know and then something happened. that could hurt. with the proper licenseing, i am assuming you would also carry a ton of insurance. i load alot. i would load with someone but not for someone.
to the original poster, i dont think you are banned anyway. just from the equipment exchange. and the guys in the colorado forum are generally nice guys.
GunTroll
05-01-2009, 16:52
I would agree to the liability side of this sub-argument. I wouldn't load for someone else other than immediate family without liability insurance.
It was a fun argument. And if implying he is L.E. , its good to know what people patrol around protecting and serving.
nope, its from the entire site, ie, i can see posts but can't use the search function, etc, etc. also the thing ar15.com members need to understand is how many posts there are on that site and how poor the search function is at times. often it is too difficult to maneuver through everything and get a direct answer that correlates exactly to the question at hand. on a small site i understand getting annoyed with the same questions, but on one like that, i think it should be expected unless the there was a similar thread on the same page.
The liability thing can be just as important when selling firearms though. For those of you who get off on requiring obtaining info about your buyer and keeping records, you should also look into getting a business name and liability insurance. I can tell you that if you act like a business when you sell something, you are MUCH more likely to get sued if something ever goes wrong with said item.
scratchy
05-01-2009, 22:50
Back to the OP's issue. I made a stupid post on arfcom, got banned and truly regret it. Oh well. Do I hate arfcom, hell no. Live with it. On the internet, the site owner is king. If he don't want you there, off you go. Period,.
it seems that i saw your posts as trolling(ok not trolling mostly. just argumentative like a little kid in the sales dispute... when that happens and no payment is found it looks like welching. best just to man up and say i messed up. but not my choice. i wouldnt have banned you for that. and then with the whole thing of asking everyone if you could pay them to load ammo for you.(a felony without the license) i would say you were probably banned for more than one reason. ( asking people to load ammo for money for you wasnt a good idea, but having your location as illinois and asking for help in colorado really looked off. probably should have changed your location first. although in the case of paying someone to load ammo for you it wouldnt have helped
sniper7 will remember, since he chastized you on both this site and the arfcom site.
and then here you are stirring up hate and discontent on this site.
I remember this. Soliciting others to do illegal deeds.
jackmode9316
05-02-2009, 11:28
How do you afford to feed that huge horse?
No problems here with Arfcom. In fact, I enjoy the fooling around in GD at least as much as I enjoy the technical forums.
That said, they take their Equipment Exchange seriously. It's a huge site, and there are cases all the time of people screwing other people.
If what you did looked off, and you took 3 months to reply at all, what do you expect. They don't know you from Adam.
The world's a big place. (shrug) If I were you, I'd just figure out what the lesson to be learned is (it's probably not "They're all out to get me") and move on.
No problems here with Arfcom. In fact, I enjoy the fooling around in GD at least as much as I enjoy the technical forums.
That said, they take their Equipment Exchange seriously. It's a huge site, and there are cases all the time of people screwing other people.
If what you did looked off, and you took 3 months to reply at all, what do you expect. They don't know you from Adam.
The world's a big place. (shrug) If I were you, I'd just figure out what the lesson to be learned is (it's probably not "They're all out to get me") and move on.
it didn't take me 3 months to reply. not even close. i replied the day after. then i asked if he wanted me to send a new MO, and he never replied, so i figured the subject was dead. then i get blamed for not repsonding for 3 months, which simply isn't true. if someone had said " it still isn't resolved" then fine, but the fact that he never answered me led me to believe it was all said and done. i don't hate the site or think everyone there is evil, but i think most mods and even some members have a real ego problem and the fact that i am still banned after explaining the situation is ridiculous i think. hey, its a free country, if they want to ban me thats their option. but i have the same option to complain about it when i don't think its done fairly. the fact that many there treat new people like crap is a seperate issue. also, what really makes me mad is that yes the whole situation was unfortunate, but its not like i got his scope and never sent him the money. he didn't lose anything other than a week and a half of time waiting to sell it. which sure, is sad, and i apologized for it, but i don't see there is anything else to "resolve". i tried to rebuy it, and he apparently didn't want to sell it. in the end, im out $45, got no scope, and got banned. you don't think i should be a little upset?
I got the "3 months" from where you said this:
and of course i can't respond.
finally after three months i email the site and ask whats up with my account
If you're out $45, that's not so good. But my previous advice about knowing when to move on still stands: How wound up do you want to get over $45? The EE mods at ar15.com didn't rip you off. They made the call with the info they had, and you got banned -- it's just an Internet site, not a death sentence. Put it in perspective.
You wanted opinions; that's mine.
Asha'man
05-04-2009, 22:43
tag
:rolleyes:
Pretty easy to tell an avid Arfcommer on another site when they "tag" threads in vBulletin. Arfcom sucks, their board software sucks, and pretty much everything about them except their stripped lower assembly guide sucks.
I got the "3 months" from where you said this:
If you're out $45, that's not so good. But my previous advice about knowing when to move on still stands: How wound up do you want to get over $45? The EE mods at ar15.com didn't rip you off. They made the call with the info they had, and you got banned -- it's just an Internet site, not a death sentence. Put it in perspective.
You wanted opinions; that's mine.
fair enough
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