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eneranch
03-29-2014, 16:09
http://www.fox21news.com/news/story.aspx?id=1024989#.UzdDf_ldV8E
Glad no one was injured.
Negligent Discharge. ADs only happen when a firearm malfunctions causing it to fire or continue firing. If some jackass cant keep his finger off the trigger then it is a NEGLIGENT discharge.
mtnrider
03-29-2014, 18:42
The Anti's are going to have a field day with this... Can't wait to see all the comments online.
Great like the [shithitsfan]Enough.
Negligent Discharge. ADs only happen when a firearm malfunctions causing it to fire or continue firing. If some jackass cant keep his finger off the trigger then it is a NEGLIGENT discharge. Shit happens. We need to be forgiving. Following this logic most traffic accidents would be negligent. Glad to see you adding to the race toward no margin of error.
According to one report, the vendor had examined the weapon earlier in the week because of a malfunction, then failed to clear it properly. He then claims the weapon was "bumped" and discharged. My question is: Why would a vendor bring a potentially defective weapon to a show to sell?
Media doesn't really work on weekends. This will be forgotten by Monday.
hurley842002
03-29-2014, 21:37
Shit happens. We need to be forgiving. Following this logic most traffic accidents would be negligent. Glad to see you adding to the race toward no margin of error.
Negative, shit should NOT be happening with loaded weapons, and there is no margin of error for firearms. I can assure you, if my wife or 10 month old were in the line of fire, I would not be so forgiving.
Just one more reason to not go to gun shows...[Shake]
Shit happens. We need to be forgiving. Following this logic most traffic accidents would be negligent. Glad to see you adding to the race toward no margin of error.
Most traffic accidents ARE due to someone's negligence! True "accidents" do happen but they're rare, most are incidents caused by at least one person having his/her head up their ass.
Most traffic accidents ARE due to someone's negligence! True "accidents" do happen but they're rare, most are incidents caused by at least one person having his/her head up their ass.
Thats kinda my point. In this day and age of no one being responsible for anything, and a constant dumbing down, lowest common denominator kind of world. Maybe he was having a bad day. How many of had a "holy cow that was close" moment? At most jobs every accident is "preventable". People eff up all the time. He feels bad. Nothing even got damaged.
We are our own damn worst enemies...
Great-Kazoo
03-29-2014, 22:48
Thats kinda my point. In this day and age of no one being responsible for anything, and a constant dumbing down, lowest common denominator kind of world. Maybe he was having a bad day. How many of had a "holy cow that was close" moment? At most jobs every accident is "preventable". People eff up all the time. He feels bad. Nothing even got damaged.
i have bad days,sometime many of them. I also try to avoid chambering a defective firearm and pimping it off to some poor slob.
If the fuker KNEW there were issues with it why
1- was it loaded ?
2- why was it loaded ?
Great-Kazoo
03-29-2014, 22:49
According to one report, the vendor had examined the weapon earlier in the week because of a malfunction, then failed to clear it properly. He then claims the weapon was "bumped" and discharged. My question is: Why would a vendor bring a potentially defective weapon to a show to sell?
Because he had it marked up 75% over retail and knew some schlep would buy it. Without disclosing there were, OOPS, Issues with it.
3beansalad
03-30-2014, 06:02
How dafuq did the vendor put a firearm in the show without the zip ties thru the action? Thus must have been before the show opened to the public, but damn.
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Singlestack
03-30-2014, 07:13
Given the 8:30 time of the incident, I'd say this was b4 the show opened to the public. Any mention of which vendor this was? I want to know so I can avoid this vendor in the future...
hollohas
03-30-2014, 08:15
I was at a Tanner Show years ago when there was a ND inside. You could have heard a pin drop in the seconds following. Place was full, shoulder to shoulder but no one was hurt, thank God. I haven't been back since.
StagLefty
03-30-2014, 08:26
safety rules - safety rules - safety rules - etc.
jerrymrc
03-30-2014, 08:33
How dafuq did the vendor put a firearm in the show without the zip ties thru the action? Thus must have been before the show opened to the public, but damn.
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Never taken any firearms to shows but helped many with them. They were all checked and zip-tied before we left to the show.
BlasterBob
03-30-2014, 08:56
Nothing even got damaged.
Really, what DID get "damaged" was the reputation, once again, of ALL gunshows. The show operators/promoters could possibly insist and require ALL firearms that vendors bring in, to be properly cleared, banded/strapped/tied prior to even bringing them into the building. Even that requirement wouldn't assure this not happening again because some vendor will probably not take the time to accomplish this. IMHO.
He should be beaten with a wet leather strap.
BlasterBob
03-30-2014, 09:21
I have been to a few shows where a firearm was inadvertently discharged and after each firing, you could truly hear a pin drop. Sometimes there was a mass exodus of the customers and sometimes almost everyone got right back to their wheeling and dealing.
mtnrider
03-30-2014, 09:33
I never trust anyone handing me a firearm. Gun shop, show or best friend. I Always check and double check it is clear when it gets handed to me even if the other party has already done it. Safety, safety, safety.
HoneyBadger
03-30-2014, 11:02
I don't always hand my firearms to other people, but when I do, the action is open and the chamber is visibly empty for them to inspect. Stay safe my friends.
Out at the range the other day I was working up loads. I fired my 5 rounds loaded and then meant to get my next pistol. I assumed my current pistol was empty but double checked the gun clear before moving on to the next one... Just to be sure. It was more mussle memory and routine than anything. Well what do ya know.... Out popped a 6th bullet. Thanks Dad and Grandpa for teaching the correct way to handle guns. You can never be sure.
Jeffrey Lebowski
03-30-2014, 11:14
I never trust anyone handing me a firearm. Gun shop, show or best friend. I Always check and double check it is clear when it gets handed to me even if the other party has already done it. Safety, safety, safety.
I don't always hand my firearms to other people, but when I do, the action is open and the chamber is visibly empty for them to inspect. Stay safe my friends.
x2 on both, and what HoneyBadger describes is my preference when at the LGS. If I want to see something, I'd personally prefer it handed to me in that way. I'll check it myself again after that. You can keep the magazine on your side of the counter, too, unless I ask specifically about something with that.
Aloha_Shooter
03-30-2014, 12:46
Why was there anything in the chamber? Vendor should have checked chamber before putting the weapon away and again before heading to the show.
BPTactical
03-30-2014, 13:32
Why was there anything in the chamber? Vendor should have checked chamber before putting the weapon away and again before heading to the show.
When I worked at a local shop and we did shows, firearms were checked and zip tied before they even left the shop and were loaded in the trailer.
Numbnuts like this are why shows will eventually be shut down.
I hate being around guns. They make me nervous.
Shit happens. We need to be forgiving. Following this logic most traffic accidents would be negligent. Glad to see you adding to the race toward no margin of error.
Thats kinda my point. In this day and age of no one being responsible for anything, and a constant dumbing down, lowest common denominator kind of world. Maybe he was having a bad day. How many of had a "holy cow that was close" moment? At most jobs every accident is "preventable". People eff up all the time. He feels bad. Nothing even got damaged.
Are you serious? Most traffic accidents are caused by negligence. I'm sorry but you sound like one of those people that almost cause an accident and then flip the bird to anyone who might call them on it.
Really, what DID get "damaged" was the reputation, once again, of ALL gunshows.
^ Amen
I hate being around guns. They make me nervous.
Totally agree. That is why I drowned all mine in the lake. Bastards can't get me now!
I have said this before.. There is no such thing as an AD... NDs only.
I don't always hand my firearms to other people, but when I do, the action is open and the chamber is visibly empty for them to inspect. Stay safe my friends.
This!
Why not clear the chamber right after removing the magazine? The only cure for stupid is permanent...
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i have been to a few shows when its happened and [blaster] is right on all points . it almost always ruins a show for a few hours and no matter the "story" its always negligence in that environment .
Every time I see one of these threads it reminds me of this...
http://youtu.be/CCAEVyoV93M
Shit happens. We need to be forgiving. Following this logic most traffic accidents would be negligent. Glad to see you adding to the race toward no margin of error.
Welcome to the world of responsibility. If you can't be responsible enough to follow the rules then don't touch firearms! This is a simple concept. It's assholes that minimalize the consequences of ignoring safety rules and want people to feel good about themselves after potentially negligently killing someone that are making the firearm community unsafe.
cap'n cook
03-30-2014, 20:31
what kind of fucking idiot brings a "defective" gun with live rounds in it to a gun show. there is no excuse for "removed the magazine but forgot to check the chamber" EVER.
SideShow Bob
03-30-2014, 21:00
Shit happens. We need to be forgiving. Following this logic most traffic accidents would be negligent. Glad to see you adding to the race toward no margin of error.
And would this be your response if the show was open and the bullet killed someone ?
Total negligence on the vendor's part ! He should not be allowed back into the gunshows.
3beansalad
03-31-2014, 05:56
I would really like to know which dumbass vendor this was so I can stay away from their store as well.
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osok-308
03-31-2014, 06:42
Most traffic accidents ARE due to someone's negligence! True "accidents" do happen but they're rare, most are incidents caused by at least one person having his/her head up their ass.
^^^ this. The word accident is used all too often because it absolves anyone from wrong doing. Children have accidents. This was negligence.
And would this be your response if the show was open and the bullet killed someone ?
Total negligence on the vendor's part ! He should not be allowed back into the gunshows.
One would think that vendors the let one fly would not be allowed back but I have seen a few vendors back at the same show the next go around .
spqrzilla
03-31-2014, 08:42
I think that the "Accidental Discharge vs Negligent Discharge" 'point' got worn out the day it was first made. People use "accident" to discuss any non-intentional act and the word's usage in everyday English does not exclude negligence.
kawiracer14
03-31-2014, 10:22
My mommy says I was an accident - but I think it was really a 'negligent discharge' on my dad's part...
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