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Just a heads up. Went out there with the wife today and saw three, one that we accidentally ran over. Got his hide on the post out back, lol. But they're already out.
The "normal" shooting areas are looking decent. Still lots of little crap, like plastic bottle and remnants of clays. We got two Walmart sacks full of trash, but took us about an hour. Usually see the cops out there on the weekends, but none today. They would stop by all the time last year and ask/remind us to clean up after ourselves. Thought that was great.
Anyways, heads up on the rattlers.
i just started going out there this winter (my step-dad took me out there a few weeks ago) and i was suprised i wasnt seeing any the other day. haha. i'm actually a reptile lover and snake breeder, and was planning on hunting for rattlesnakes this summer to take pictures and stuff so now its like a 2 in 1! haha. i definately need to buy that snake hook now.
theGinsue
05-10-2009, 22:32
Might have to check this place out. Been wanting to go rattler hunting for years.
What's the season and daily bag limit on those things?
ChunkyMonkey
05-11-2009, 00:06
June 15 - Aug 15 3/day
I haven't seen any in the "normal" shooting areas. We like to go rockhounding after shooting, and that's when we see them. Here's a link to the area we like to go. Also, if you follow the creek on the left to where the dirt road heads back west, there is a sandstone formation that sports about 10 of the buggers. Just gotta get out there early enough. They love the morning sun, ya know.
And the east side is private, I think. It's fenced at any rate.
Anyways, here's the link. I hope it works.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=40.681419,-104.479122&spn=0.057929,0.11055&z=13
(http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=40.684543,-104.373379&spn=0.057927,0.11055&t=h&z=13)
They are up at the North shoot area also,, Saw a Baby one a few years back.. So, take heed up there also...
On a related note,,, Years ago,, Taking a road trip to Kearney Ne.. I just happened to be behind a 18 wheeler,,and the angles were just right that I saw what I would guess to be a 5-6' snake, between the wheels of the trailer, get flipped up in the air,, and land just far enough out of the way, that I didn't run Him over... I thought cats only had 9 lives....
theGinsue
05-11-2009, 22:00
Okay, so I know you can skin 'em and hang the skins to dry, but anyone here ever eat 'em?
FromMyColdDeadHand
05-12-2009, 07:04
They are up at the North shoot area also,, Saw a Baby one a few years back.. So, take heed up there also...
On a related note,,, Years ago,, Taking a road trip to Kearney Ne.. I just happened to be behind a 18 wheeler,,and the angles were just right that I saw what I would guess to be a 5-6' snake, between the wheels of the trailer, get flipped up in the air,, and land just far enough out of the way, that I didn't run Him over... I thought cats only had 9 lives....
Why do you have to ruin sun roofs for me? I was just getting over the idea of birds crapping on me.
trlcavscout
05-12-2009, 14:40
Okay, so I know you can skin 'em and hang the skins to dry, but anyone here ever eat 'em?
Good eatin! I havent seen them there, but my buddy lives a few miles south of there on "rattlesnake hill", so obviously we find them there alot. They are fun to shoot with the bow and some blunt tips.
Okay, so I know you can skin 'em and hang the skins to dry, but anyone here ever eat 'em?
You mean you don't?! lol
Cut the head off, peal the skin (don't cut it up the middle) off, pull the guts from the neck all the way out, cold water wash.
You cut them into 4-6" lengths, cover them in corn meal and fry them in bacon grease or oil. Good meal, there. Really does taste pretty much like chicken, too, but with the consistency of fish. It's an interesting eat, but a good one. There was a restaurant in Denver that used to serve them up all the time, but they were probably farm raised.
Their skins make neat things, too, like wallets and hat bands, etc.
And the B&P limit does not apply to road kill, or so the Fort Collins DOW guy told us a few years back. May have changed. Doubt it.
theGinsue
05-14-2009, 23:45
Well, no, I've never eaten them. In my defense, I haven't hunted them yet either - just checked out some road kill here and there.
Thanks for the instructions on preparing them. What are the bones like in regarding to when you're eating them. Is it like eating fish with small bones, always getting a couple in each bite?
How do you prepare the skin for things like hat bands, etc.? I caught the peel them back/don't cut them up the middle thing, but do you have to tan them at all?
What about the venom sacks? Is this something that you need to be careful of when cutting the head off?
Sorry for all of the questions, this is something I've been interested in for years but never pursued and I don't want to screw any of it up!
Well, no, I've never eaten them. In my defense, I haven't hunted them yet either - just checked out some road kill here and there.
Thanks for the instructions on preparing them. What are the bones like in regarding to when you're eating them. Is it like eating fish with small bones, always getting a couple in each bite?
How do you prepare the skin for things like hat bands, etc.? I caught the peel them back/don't cut them up the middle thing, but do you have to tan them at all?
What about the venom sacks? Is this something that you need to be careful of when cutting the head off?
Sorry for all of the questions, this is something I've been interested in for years but never pursued and I don't want to screw any of it up!
Not a problem at all.
The bones usually stay attached to the spine. You can peel the meat off with your fork, or just kinda nibble it off. I suppose it would more depend on how much you cook it, but I've never had a problem. It only takes about 7-10 minutes in the oil. Less if it's a small snake.
To tan the skin is easy. Depending on what I want to make, I either stretch it (like a condom, lol), inside out, around a 2" pole or for a wallet I do cut up the middle, stretch like you would a normal hide. I use a common stapler and staple about every two to three inches. Either way, then you take an ulu or whatever knife you want and scrape it. Snake skins are easy like that and you get all the junk off pretty easy.
Then you mix half glycerin (about $10.00/gal) and half methyl alcohol (about $20.00/gal) and paint it on in light layers. The time interval between layers and how long you let it dry really depends on the weather, but you get a knack for it pretty quick. But I never let it dry in the sun, only the shade. It only takes about 4 hours before you can start painting it with the alcohol/glycerin mix if you scrape it good.
After that, I let it sit for about 3 days then trim the edges for whatever I am going to make, and sew it. It's all pretty easy, and once you do it a couple of times it's a breeze.
The head is a little worrisome, as it really will bite you. I cut it off and grab it with a pair of pliers and put it in a corn husk and bury it about 6" deep. It degrades quick. Just step on the head and cut it off. Wear boots and you'll be fine. Just don't try it barefoot, lol.
T.
p.s.-I mix the glycerin/methyl about a cup at a time. It is reusable, but only for a couple of days. You can do probably 40-50 snakes with the two gallons easy. But the hatbands go for $50 and the wallets for $200, so it's okay to be a little sloppy.
I wish I had a good camera. I have snakeskin grips on my DEagle, and man-o-man are they nice. But you have to tape the edge so they remain hard in that instance for gluing. There are tons of cool things you can do with the skins, and they are all cool.
theGinsue
05-15-2009, 22:25
Thanks for the info. I'm actually excited for the season to start.
I asked my best friend/hunting partnet if he was interested in doing this and all I got in response was "Are you serious?" My reply was a simple yes and asking again if he was game.... I have yet to get a response. I guess that means he doesn't wanna try this!
Icecoldviper
05-15-2009, 22:33
Thanks for the info. I'm actually excited for the season to start.
I asked my best friend/hunting partnet if he was interested in doing this and all I got in response was "Are you serious?" My reply was a simple yes and asking again if he was game.... I have yet to get a response. I guess that means he doesn't wanna try this!
I got the same exact reply from my hunting buddy lol. I think it sounds like it would be a blast tho.
where do you normaly go to shoot? i think we usually go down county raod 57 when you go down that steep little hill to get to the shooting area. is there an area arounf there to look for rattlers? or do you know a good road to turn down?
theGinsue
07-14-2009, 22:44
I've never gone (a) to the Pawnee Grasslands, and (b) rattler hunting before. I've been wanting to do the rattler hunt for years, just never got to it (Bucket List item). From reading this thread, I figured thhis would be one of the best places to go looking for them.
If You are up for a drive, Going out of CS it might be the same as going to Pawnee though, S.E. corner of the the state, there is a SWA called Two Buttes. It's about 20-25 miles north of Springfield.. Went bunny hunting there years ago and saw the biggest damn rattler I have seen, up close and personal that is.. I seriously thought it was a tree branch,, untill I realized the nearest tree was about 5 miles away...
The snakes are everywhere-just go walking. You'll find them. Early morning right after the sun comes up is the best time. They bask on the rocks and road.
Gators help if your reactions are not up to par. Be careful.
would leather boots be enough? i mean i'm obviously not going to TRY to see how close i can get without being struck at or bitten. i'll be carrying my 12G with me just incase i need it. do you kill them before you bag them? I've heard horror story's of people getting bitten through the bag. after all, they use heat to tell where thing are, so i wouldnt feel safe just using a bag qith a live rattle snake in it.
would leather boots be enough? i mean i'm obviously not going to TRY to see how close i can get without being struck at or bitten. i'll be carrying my 12G with me just incase i need it. do you kill them before you bag them? I've heard horror story's of people getting bitten through the bag. after all, they use heat to tell where thing are, so i wouldnt feel safe just using a bag qith a live rattle snake in it.
Contrary to popular belief, snakes bite pretty high-the few times I've been bitten it was just below my knee, once on the hand and once above my ankle-only once (the hand) did I not have protection- a pair of chaps works well, also.
The snakes will usually try to slither away-they really are more afraid of you than you are of them. But sometimes they just don't feel like running-especially the young ones. They don't control their venom-so they are the most dangerous. The adults 7 out of 10 times don't inject-but it's the young ones who don't run away and are the scary ones. They can strike about 1/2 to 2/3 their body length, so it's pretty easy to know your distance. Better safe than sorry, of course.
Sure boots would be enough if you don't get caught-and people usually don't. They have the antivenin here in Greeley if you do get bit. It's pretty painful and takes about 2 to 3 weeks to heal. But there's only about 20 bites a year in Northeast Colorado-so your chances are pretty good. A snake stick (a broom handle with a rope on the end of it) is probably your best bet-you hold that out in front of you if you're walking. If you go early in the morning when they are basking, you are pretty safe because they are slower and not paying attention. Once their blood warms up, it's anybodies game. They are on higher ground in the morning and lower ground towards noon. They like crevices and stuff around lunch time.
Snakes will only bite you in self defense-if you're messing with them or if you startle them. So if you take the basic precautions and are the predator, you'll be just fine. Oh, and go slow when you are walking. If you walk fast, they will feel it long before you ever see them and they will be gone and you'll never even know they were there.
Also, rattlers are just like most other snakes-they will move to movement. Just like the cobras in India you see on tv. The cobras are moving to the snake charmers' movement-not his flute. A rattler does the same thing. So when you come upon one, move very slow. There have been a few times I have just stuck the muzzle in his face and moved it back and forth-they will stay perfect with it-then pulled the trigger. No head every time.
I leave them alive till I get home, because I like the meat. It's just like any animal-if you kill it then don't gut it immediately it will spoil in the hot sun and weather fast. Also, I just put them in a white pillow case. A rattler will give up fighting pretty quick if you bonk him a few times. Then you just grab them and cut the head off. Then I really do bury the head. Better safe than sorry. Or you can just submerge the snake(s) in a tub of water and drown them-but that takes a while. Flippin' snakes can hold their breath forever for some reason.
But since it's your first time, just be careful and until you cut the head off, wear welding gloves or something equivalent. It's scary the first few times-after that, it's just respect for the snake. All in all I would rather take on an angry rattler than an angry deer any day. Of all the predators I have encountered, the snake is of the least concern. Hell, I even got my ass handed to me by a Jack Rabbit one time. It started hissing like a cat then shrieking really loudly and then attacked me and bit me. Make fun if you want, but that bunny f'ed my up. Damn near bit my finger off.
Anyways, just use common sense and you'll be fine.
ChunkyMonkey
07-16-2009, 15:39
Tristan, wow you know a lot about them snakes. You gotta read it Steve Irwin style though!
"Crikey! Herein lies our diamond back rattlesnake. As you can see mate, they are just very instinctive to me. I've been playing with snakes since before I could walk. It doesn't matter where or what it is, from the biggest to the most venomous. No problem, mate!"
[ROFL1][ROFL1]
Ouch!
Gosh, that made me laugh.
No, I'm certain no Steve Irwin, that's for sure. Just that once you get bit and go through all that, you learn reeeeaaaaalllll quick and rreeeaaaallll well. I've also been bit by a Black Widow (was WAY more painful than my worst ever surgery), a brown recluse (not allergic, thank God) and been treated for rabies. However, I think the rabies was from my brothers' girlfriend.....
Anyways, the rabies thing was back in the day. 26 needles 10 feet long and 3 feet big around in the tummy-that just plain sucked.
Oh, and I got shot by salt rock when I was a kid, too. Us Mountain Boys always learn the hard way, ya know. I had so much fun! But now the old body is paying for it. Who knew. But I do still catch snakes with my hands and no protection/Steve Irwin style. Just been doing it for 35 years or so.
I've keeping and breeding ball pythons, and corn snakes. and catching all sorts of other things when i go to florida (those baby alligators are a-holes). i just havnt had any real experience with venomus snakes.
theGinsue
07-16-2009, 19:30
MB888 say it true - Tristan, you really do know your rattlers.
I think I might try Marlins advice and check out the Two Butts (er, Buttes) SWA.
Thanks for all of the advice guys. I was thinking of using something to capture the snake (broom handle/rope and perhaps a long pole with a bent end to hold it until I can get the broom handle/rope around it's head). I was also planning on cutting the head off (watching for potential bites - even after the head comes off), and skinning and gutting it on the spot. I'm not too fond of the idea of carrying a live rattler around - even (or especially) in a pillow case - mostly because of the getting it out of the pillow case part.
Tristan - I too was bit by a Brown Recluse, but snce I was just a young toddler, I dont remember it. My mom says I whined about the pain and it ate a hole through my abdomin (still have the scar ~ barely). I don't envy you your experiences - yikes!
Wow, you're lucky you're alive! I'll bet your mum was scared shitless!
I was just sleeping one night and felt something run across my chest and onto my shoulder. SMACK! I got him! Next thing I know, my shoulder swelled up the size of a baseball. The lump, I mean. So my wife called the doctor and they said I had to put the spider in a jar and bring it to the hospital. So we spent the next 20 minutes looking for its' remains......but I guess they're only lethal if you're allergic to them. Ah, well.
Now the black widow was a whole different story. Nobody ever told me the bastards could jump! So there I am, 32 years old playing with a black widow and she kicked my ass. Guess that's what I get, lol. But you don't know pain until you get bit by a black widow. I have been shot, stabbed, run over (fell off the pickup), you name it. I have plates in my neck, back and hip-a plastic knuckle and so on and so forth. I've broken most major bones in my body. When a black widow bites you, it's like fire in your veins-and there's no escaping it. And morphine does nothing.
We'll see if I ever play with them again. I'm flat-out scared of them, now. I just squish them and don't even give them the chance.
Mr. bimmer-a snake's a snake. If you can handle corn snakes and pythons, a rattler is cake. Them damn corn snakes can get real ugly real fast.
ChunkyMonkey
07-17-2009, 10:22
We had some corn snake in our pond sometimes. I was told to leave them alone because they kill all the mice -- I never seen them in Denver area though.
they arent native to colorado. you usually find them in the south
Hmmm, Ive had a baby Milk snake up in Boulder a longgg time ago, the only one Ive ever seen, very cool, neighbors cat killed it a few weeks later. Not sure how or why it was up in Boulder, we really were not near any open fields.
I would use a plastic 5 gallon bucket for the rattlesnakes, and its about $20,000 in anitivenom/hospital if you get a bad bite or more, you REALLY have to watch the heads, they will still be active when you cut them off, and when you hold them, the fangs will be about 1/2 inch from your thumb, and they look very nasty with those green eyes. Evil I would say, but you have to be on your game if your going to mess with them. Leave the bags for the amatures. You have to make sure you get a good grip on the neck behind the head, and don't EVER grab anywhere but right behind the head, never ever ever, they can whip around fast as they will be pissed and pumped. Use the other hand to quiet the rattle. Taking a bunch live is insane, but its your arm, leg, hand, not mine.[Pepsi]
Actually, if you can avoid handling that would be good, I regret picking one up, even though I did it the only real correct way, -way too dangerous.
Or better yet, just cut and gut and put them on ICE...! Please yes, bury the heads@!! Ugly ass mofos...angry green-ass cat eye staring at you...(shiver)
Now the black widow was a whole different story. Nobody ever told me the bastards could jump!
Holy F****** Sh**.....glad I read that! Little F***ers...[Rant1]
Ive seen em milk those little Sh***. They put em to sleep, and I think they just palm em and put the milker on the fangs, like 10,000 times for a few drops or whatever. They milk all the nasties in Arizona..Then they start to 'wake up' and move the legs, but they are still wonked but jeez louiezzz
Mmmm, rattly snakes......but you wouldn't believe how bad a big mess o' rattlesnakes can stink.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/misc%20stuff/pitofsnakes02.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/misc%20stuff/pitofsnakes03.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/misc%20stuff/pitofsnakes01.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GTItSZoLc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Some people are dumb I hate spiders and would not do this!
mcantar18c
05-18-2011, 02:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17GTItSZoLc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Some people are dumb I hate spiders and would not do this!
I totally would.
If I had one of those I'd probably go look for shit to feed it.
widowman10
05-18-2011, 14:37
haha, nothing wrong with a little black widow fellas ;)
and as far as the snake hook goes, i make my own (avid rattler fan here).
easy, takes 15 mins, costs $6 total. heck-uva deal.
DeadElephant
05-18-2011, 17:00
Lots of little rattlers this year out around Ft. Morgan where I hunt PD.
Okay, so I know you can skin 'em and hang the skins to dry, but anyone here ever eat 'em?
After you skin them, soak the skin in a boric acid solution for a couple of days. This loosens the scales and meat. Scrape til clean. Dry. Rub in a couple of coats of glycerine. Makes for a nice workable hide.
As far as eating, fried is good. Rattle snake chili is also tasty.
Mmmm, rattly snakes......but you wouldn't believe how bad a big mess o' rattlesnakes can stink.
You aren't kidding. I came across a den once that was in a large crack at the base of a cliff. The stench and noises that came out of that crack made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I've tried to think of smells that were worse (skunk, buzzard puke, etc) but couldn't come up with any.
Only ever seen two rattlers in CO. Ever tried to bunny hop a snake on a mt. bike? [Eek2]
DeadElephant
05-19-2011, 09:19
I use to tend bar where a guy who made his living catching rattlers came to drink (every day). Had marks all up and down his arm and claimed it didn't bother him anymore when he got bit. He didn't have many teeth either but not sure that had anything to do with the rattlers.
He brought some in to eat once in a while. I always chased it with a glass of Jack Daniels so to me they just tasted like JD. Course he could have been bringing in chicken nuggets from McDonalds and he's still laughing.
[Beer]
Scanker19
05-21-2011, 08:13
haha, nothing wrong with a little black widow fellas ;)
and as far as the snake hook goes, i make my own (avid rattler fan here).
easy, takes 15 mins, costs $6 total. heck-uva deal.
I hate black widows. They seriously give me the hibee gibees. Other spiders I can deal with pick up throw out of the house but i can barley look at black widows. And your avatar is awful and creepy.
Scanker19
05-21-2011, 08:16
Ginsue, I'd like to go snake hunting. Me and my two year old saw a big long bullsnake near my house the other day, so i'm waiting for the rattle snakes.
BTW here are my scars from my run in from a rattle snake about 24 years ago.
The Doctors did the scars but this is the after effects of the bite. Next time we're at an outing i'll show ya'll but I charge $.25 to look $.50 to touch, cause I ain't no freak show.[Tooth]
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/jordanls19/378a998f.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/jordanls19/b13051a7.jpg
Scanker19
05-21-2011, 08:22
Oh and as far as eating, me and the wife stopped at that Texas steakhouse in Amarillo where you can get the 72oz steak, they serve rattle snake. It wasn't very good, and my wife got really sick from there. Don't know if it was the snake or the rest of the food but she was sick. The snake didn't yield much meat and was real tough.
I tend to avoid anyplace serving 72oz of anything. :p
Damn did the doctor figure he could save the leg half way through the amputation?
cfortune
05-26-2011, 22:57
I was thinking of trying to get out to Pawney and shoot this weekend. This thread made me think that might not be such a good idea. The sight of snakes makes me feel light headed.
I've never seen a snake out at Pawnee. I mean, I'm sure they're there, I just have never seen one. There are HUGE spiders though.
cfortune
05-27-2011, 08:33
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0902/kill-it-with-fire-demotivational-poster-1235695993.jpg
i saw 5 snakes on our road yesterday. And while fencing I saw a red,white and black snake. I looked it up. Its either a milk snake or a coral snake. Either way, there goes a year off the end of my life.
Awesome, if you see it again, you should catch it.
You should put bells on all of them.
Last time I went up to my land to look for snakes, I couldn't find anyway. Maybe now is a good time to go up there?
i saw 5 snakes on our road yesterday. And while fencing I saw a red,white and black snake. I looked it up. Its either a milk snake or a coral snake. Either way, there goes a year off the end of my life.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_otKOU2UoGrM/TSIKMFzyp1I/AAAAAAAAAUU/Gf88cR-t4Xo/s1600/Pueblan-Milk-Snake-Proof.jpg
I saw a glimpse of one of those in my back yard one day. It darted under a flower planter as I darted into the house to change my drawers.
I need to spend more time outdoors. I've lived in Colorado my entire life, and seen exactly 3 different kinds of snakes here. Millions of Garder snakes, 2 rattlesnakes, and 1 Bullsnake (I think. It was about 5 feet long and I picked it up.)
Oh wait, I ran across another Bullsnake (I think) while I was running once. He was WAY to angry and striky for me to pick up though.
trlcavscout
05-28-2011, 17:01
Ginsue, I'd like to go snake hunting. Me and my two year old saw a big long bullsnake near my house the other day, so i'm waiting for the rattle snakes.
BTW here are my scars from my run in from a rattle snake about 24 years ago.
The Doctors did the scars but this is the after effects of the bite. Next time we're at an outing i'll show ya'll but I charge $.25 to look $.50 to touch, cause I ain't no freak show.[Tooth]
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/jordanls19/378a998f.jpg
http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/jordanls19/b13051a7.jpg
Are those high speed tanker boots? [ROFL1]
trlcavscout
05-28-2011, 17:05
i saw 5 snakes on our road yesterday. And while fencing I saw a red,white and black snake. I looked it up. Its either a milk snake or a coral snake. Either way, there goes a year off the end of my life.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_otKOU2UoGrM/TSIKMFzyp1I/AAAAAAAAAUU/Gf88cR-t4Xo/s1600/Pueblan-Milk-Snake-Proof.jpg
One is poisonous one is not right? The one pictured is non-poisonous the red/yellow is? I havent seen them in a long time cant remember.
I think the poem is:
Red next to Black, friend of Jack. Red next to Yellow, kill a fellow.
Yeah, that's right, check it out here. Milk snakes are cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_Snake
Red and yellow kill a fellow.
Red and black friend of Jack.
We don't have coral snakes in Colorado! So, maybe a Milk Snake? They would have big redish splotches, not stripes.
I saw a very bright green snake around Durango area, and, lots of little horned toads. Last time I went down there I didnt see the horned toads.
Not sure what the bright green, like ugly green snake was. Just saw it for a second, in the bush, couldnt catch it. Didn't make sense, cause I know snakes, never heard of a bright green snake in Colorado. Think if could have been a racer or coatchwhip when I looked it up last.
But yea, Colorado does not have that many type of snakes.
Hmm, this looks like it. In Pagosa Springs, so the map fits.
http://ndis.nrel.colostate.edu/herpatlas/coherpatlas/cdow_herpetofaunal_atlas_species_snake_liochloroph isvernalis.htm
Scanker19
05-28-2011, 23:20
Are those high speed tanker boots? [ROFL1]
No, they gave them to me when I reclassed at scout school.[ROFL1]
Was does everybody hate on my grandpa/mexican shoes?
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