revolver vs. semi auto for CCW

[GunTroll]

Just some thoughts from you guys would be cool. I like hearing pros and cons. I've carried both for mine and find them as equals. That being said I have never had to use either. Thankfully. I know this is a bit vague due to the many models of both.

[Graves]

I like revolvers for their size (ie. j frame) and the fact that they cant be pushed up against something and out of battery. Other than that I cant see why else you wouldnt want a semi. Some people will say reliability but Ive had a number of malfs. with revolvers. I like to know that I have more than 6 shots - granted most people wont need more than that in a sd situation but I really dont want to be the guy who finds himself mistaken at the wrong time.

Edit: I almost forgot a key pro working for the six shooter (imo) .357 mag :D

[jackedco]

80% of the time I carry a 340PD with crimsom trace. I can hide it under a t-shirt on in a cargo pocket of my shorts. And as Graves pointed out, I KNOW it's going to fire. Small size, easy to conceal, and light weight. Other 20% is between a G23 and 1911.

[Elhuero]

nothing beats a glock for ccw.

[ryanek9freak]

ANd nothing beats a wheel gun for not leaving shell casings!

[GunTroll]

I'm thinking you are concerned about reloading???

[ryanek9freak]

Oh, yeah, um, that, of course that's what I meant.

[GunTroll]

Thought so! Brass ain't cheap these days![Wink]

[gnihcraes]

revolver! if I can ever find a Ruger LCR in stock... dang it.

[Colorado Luckydog]

I've carried both for years and never needed either one. The revolvers I own are much less of a hassle to carry. However, if the shit ever did hit the fan, I think I would much rather have 17 rounds than 5. I hope I never need either but I will never be without at least one.

[Mtn.man]

I find that with my S&W 500 perps tend to faint when it is drawn so a revolver is GOOOOODD...

[Pistol Packing Preacher]

I find that with my S&W 500 perps tend to faint when it is drawn so a revolver is GOOOOODD...


+1

[Beer]

[trlcavscout]

nothing beats a glock for ccw.

Glock is the only way to go! Unfortunately I am having to sell mine and will have to carry a 1911 for a while. Twice the weight half the mag capacity and not as reliable as any Glock I have had.

[TFOGGER]

I find that with my S&W 500 perps tend to faint when it is drawn so a revolver is GOOOOODD...

It's also about as concealable as an M79 grenade launcher [ROFL1]

maybe in a pillow case?

[Pancho Villa]

Actually, statistically, if I recall, the chances of you needing 1 round are pretty low. A large % of the bad guys will pack it in the second you make it apparent that you're going to resist them and have a firearm.

Also, if you are not confident in your accuracy at conversational ranges while under stress, I think you should practice more before carrying. Remember, you are legally and morally responsible for where those bullets go. If you can't put a couple shots in a 10" circle under time pressure, when stressed, at 3-5 yards, please don't carry. I'd hate for you to be the guy who gets all pistols banned when his "glock assault pistol that can go through metal detectors at airports" kills 15 orphans from stray rounds, and you don't even hit the bad guy once.

[GunTroll]

This question isn't about my ability with either. Weight, concealability, reliability,etc. I confident with my ability to do what is right when the time comes. I'm liking the size over round capacity for myself. I'd rather pack 5/6 38's or 357 than a bunch of 380 or 9. I'm not thinking I'm going to have a two hour standoff with BG's. First I'd try to get out of harms way before engaging so capacity isn't my thing. I'll pull only if that is the last option available. I just want opinions on what I listed above,size,weight,concealability,etc. Don't bother trying to teach me something new. Didn't ask for that.

[Mtn.man]

Karate guys can fuk you up I seen it on TV,, Segal will unarm a dozen guys before you can get off a shot.........






ROFLMAO

[GunTroll]

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[gnihcraes]

Karate guys can fuk you up I seen it on TV,, Segal will unarm a dozen guys before you can get off a shot.........
ROFLMAO

but we're trained to avoid the situation first...

[honkylips]

revolver! if I can ever find a Ruger LCR in stock... dang it.

saw one today at 5280 Armory, and one at Jensen Arms as well

[Pancho Villa]

I don't ever run on probaby's and "chances" when it comes to safety. Just a personal preference.

Thats perfectly fine, wise even. But you said:


The chances of needing more than 5 rounds in an encounter is pretty high.

This is factually incorrect. I'd prefer people not go spreading factually incorrect information.


I don't instantly assume that I'm freaking chuck norris,

I'd kind of prefer you be at least a competent pistolero. Comments like these:


Your nerves might be shot, your going to be suprised, it might be dark, you might have four perps against you.

Something that equates to "you will probably miss and thats okay" worry me a lot, again, because you are legally and morally responsible for where those bullets go. I have no problems with ending life if they have proven that they have no respect for the rights of other humans, but bullets flying off into the night do not have any judgment of their own in that regard.

Practice, under stressful conditions meant to duplicate, as close as possible, real conditions, is the answer. It is true that sitting on a firing line calmly shooting a target a known distance away isn't going to adequetely prepare you for a violent encounter. Any responsible person who carries for self defense should at least be confident that they will have some pretty coarse accuracy (c'mon, 10" at 3 yards is like 100moa! Even under some pretty nasty stress, only a modicum of training is needed for that,) when the flag flies, so to speak.

I don't mean to be condescending or rude, or present myself as some kind of wild west pistolero champion, but it really does worry me when I see these mentalities pop up. Its dangerous to perfectly innocent people, not to mention yourself, if you miss a ton of times, and it might also affect me personally by getting concealed/open carry banned.

[Irving]

I support Foxtrot on this one. Poncho Villa seems like a Manchurian candidate to me.

[Graves]

This is factually incorrect. I'd prefer people not go spreading factually incorrect information.


Do you have some sort of SD database you can share, you seem pretty sure of your "Facts". I know of an incident some time ago in a NY subway train that involved a .38spl snubie and multiple bg's being stopped (google Bernhard Goetz)

This cop may not have made it home had he been carrying a six shooter
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/articles/lom/0412/the_peter_soulis_incident.html;jsessionid=10BDC02F 0CF4D0B083E43EA06A47B949
Hit the bg 22 times (17 wer COM) with .40 SXT's [Shock] and he wasn't on any drugs.

As I said before, some of us don't want to be the person who finds out they did need more than six the hard way bc once you engage a bg you're committed to the end (in most cases imo). The chances of running into a two bit punk who will tuck tail once he sees your firearm are low as it is but that doesn't rule out the possibility of running into a psycho who wants to take others with him (or her).

[theGinsue]

Do you have some sort of SD database you can share,

This is not the first time I've seen the acronym "SD" used on this site. Can/will someone please explain to me what it means?

[Mtn.man]

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and just what up if you are attacked by a gang of 10 guys, they see you got 6 rounds so only maybe 2 dead 2 hit and the rest kill your ass, cause you didn't have mo rounds.. Peace through Supeior Firepower...

[GunTroll]

Stay On Target!

[Irving]

Most circumstances, an unloaded CCW would suffice. Even more, with a single round. But don't fool yourself, we are already preparing for unlikely odds.

I absolutely disagree with this. If you don't even need a bullet, then why would you be drawing the gun in the first place? I think that you agree with this as well.

Also, SD most likely means Self Defense.

[Mtn.man]

Barney only had 1 bullet..

[Pancho Villa]

That is insane. I have to admit, I've never read an encounter quite like that. (22) 40 caliber ranger sxt rounds, of which arguably, the suspect was up, running and a threat for more than a dozen of them. People often don't realize there is no thing as a guaranteed instant kill. People have been shot in the head with large caliber weapons and still managed to run a couple blocks (and some survive) People have been shot through the heart, and some still have a few seconds left before they pass out / die. The exception to this rule is the spinal cord, because if you completely sever it, the subject doesn't need to be dead to be completely incapacitated. But - there's no guaranteed shot that can without a doubt pull that off. These are rare situations, nobody is pretending they are common place, but it's nice to have coverage if they do happen.

On that note, the chance of ever having to draw your CCW (in a lifetime) under duress is incredibly low in the first place. I don't ever anticipate having to use mine, not even on the day I die - peacefully. But I still carry. So why do we carry? Because in the unlikely event something does happen at some point in our lifetime, we would like to be prepared, and have options. Most circumstances, an unloaded CCW would suffice. Even more, with a single round. But don't fool yourself, we are already preparing for unlikely odds. Expect the unexpected, and you can never be surprised in life.

Millions of possible armed encounter situations, some much more likely than others, but why not try to protect against the majority? No doubt, some of these situations are lethal no matter what, if your BG has a SRAW and your in a car, better start reciting the lords prayer, cause it's over man! Likely.. hell no. But anything is possible.[LOL]

***edit to add***
I also have gotten medial training solely for the same reason. Nothing special, just CPR, first aid, and getting procedural advice from EMT's. Chance of needing or rendering medical assistance in a lifetime is higher than needing to use a CCW.

The best protection is not anticipating anything specific to happen to you. It's getting the basic tools (training, equipment, mindset) that you can always have with you as you go through life that can be applied to an extremely wide variety of bad situations. And hope that you never, ever, get the chance to use them.

Okay. I was incorrect. Everyone grab a Glock and those 32 round mags [Tooth]

No, but really, I see where you're coming from and I did not properly understand what you were saying the first time I read it. I know we're preparing for small-likelihood events anyway, but to me it does not seem a major factor, the capacity of your weapon, so long as you are familiar with and reasonably accurate with it.

More of a comfort zone thing, I guess. When I do carry I actually have a little Star BM - its a 1911-style single stack 9mm that holds 8 rounds. I guess I'm in trouble if I'm ever attacked by more than 1 or 2 bad guys, but I'm comfortable with taking those odds.

[theGinsue]

Also, SD most likely means Self Defense.

Oh yeah, duh! I should have been able to figure that one out. It was the weekend though and I take a break from having to actually think on the weekends.

[GunTroll]

To somewhat change direction. Does anyone currently carry a revolver and have comments they want to share...? Or maybe you carry a revolver now but use to carry a semi auto and why the switch. Other way around too, semi auto from revolver-why semi auto over revolver.

I'm leaning revolver for myself. I don't have a small enough semi auto for a ccw. But I may get one if a strong enough argument can be made.

[ryanek9freak]

To somewhat change direction. Does anyone currently carry a revolver and have comments they want to share...? Or maybe you carry a revolver now but use to carry a semi auto and why the switch. Other way around too, semi auto from revolver-why semi auto over revolver.

I'm leaning revolver for myself. I don't have a small enough semi auto for a ccw. But I may get one if a strong enough argument can be made.

I carry both a 1911 Colt govt. model, and a S&W .38 snubbie, just kinda depends on my mood at the time. I don't really have a preference to either one.

[blackford76]

On this topic the first thing that comes to mind is, what are you most comfortable with? Arguments can be made both ways, 'til the end of time with no clear winner. It all boils down to what works best for each individual. Kinda like the classic Ford vs. Chevy.

[theGinsue]

Hey, I'm offended....what about Dodge?

(BTW: Not REALLY offended)

[blackford76]

You Dodge guys...at least you got the Hemi[Awesom]

[blackford76]

BUT...you gave us the K-car too[Neene1]

[theGinsue]

You Dodge guys...at least you got the Hemi[Awesom]

We had to have something going for us.

[GunTroll]

Guns to cars. Ok? I like my revolver. Smaller and easier to carry for me. I just don't like the capacity. It is slower to reload and I don't even carry extra rounds. When I did/do carry my semi I didn't/don't carry an extra mag. I'm not lucky like my wife to get to carry a purse to hold extra mags/speed clips. And no I'll never carry a "murse". I'm pro revolver but was just looking for a legitimate argument to carry a semi instead. Didn't get one. I know it it solely an opinion question. Thanks.

[blackford76]

Sorry about the 'car jacking' of your thread. I've never heard of a revolver failing to feed. Or its mag spring getting weak.

[Mtn.man]

get a "man" purse...LOL

[GunTroll]

I saw a sweet fanny pack once with a gun pocket inside. I'm looking for a neon one though!

[ChunkyMonkey]

I saw a sweet fanny pack once with a gun pocket inside. I'm looking for a neon one though!

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-FANNY-PACK,-2-POCKETS,-TEZLON,--PINK_W0QQitemZ220398694177QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ200 90419?IMSfp=TL090419152009r34329

[GunTroll]

It's mine![ROFL1]