Another shooting at Ft Hood

[davsel]

http://www.kcentv.com/story/25146842/reports-of-shooting-on-fort-hood

[trlcavscout]

WTF is going on with people? If its all true I hope they rip his nuts off and drag him around base a while.

[mtnrider]

Wonder if it's this guy?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/01/military-hunts-one-time-recruit-planning-ft-hood-style-jihad/

[Monky]

Not a single detail as of yet. Beyond it happened

[Ronin13]

I'm guessing Obummer will call this one workplace violence too... Prayers for the folks at Hood...

[TheBelly]

I'm fine.

[fitz19d]

It's usual either it happens but not reported usually, to crazies see a trend and follow it.

[BlasterBob]

Now the Democrats will probably insist on ALL weapons and ammo be confiscated at ALL Military installations. [Sarcasm2]

[Ronin13]

Shockingly, Fox News broke into Special Report to say a few things about, then back to whatever Benghazi thing Bret Bair had going on... CNN has more coverage on it. That's kinda shameful.

[Eric P]

Hopefully the shooter doesn't live past today. Its a sham what is happening with the last shooter.

[Ronin13]

Now they're saying 1 shooter neutralized, one still at large.

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[Mtn.man]

Ft Hood was established on an ancient indian burial ground.....DUH

[TFOGGER]

I'm fine.

Good to hear! any further info?

[sniper7]

Wow, hope they slaughter this guy/these guys.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I'm fine.

Really good to hear that, Bro. I hope the Mrs. is as well....and Didi, can't forget her.

[TheBelly]

Mrs. Belly and Didi are safe at home. Locked up and armed.

One can never be too careful.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Good.

[KAPA]

Now they're saying 1 shooter neutralized, one still at large.

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Save for Columbine and the Bonnie and Clyde era, has there ever been a second shooter?

[OtterbatHellcat]

Yeah...Kali bank robbery in the 90's comes to mind.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Do the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents count?

[Great-Kazoo]

Save for Columbine and the Bonnie and Clyde era, has there ever been a second shooter?

Cali ( bank heist) Cali ( NEWHALL Incident) which changed how LE's are trained to shoot & save brass, and Miami (FBI? and a few bg's) That's 5 including your 2. I'm sure there are more. Only ones popping in my head at this time.

[mtnrider]

Now saying at least 4 dead and 14 wounded including shooter. They say it's a "soldier on soldier" incident. I hope not. That just adds more fuel for the anti's

[Logan]

FOX reporting name of the shooter as Spc Ivan Lopez

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[rbeau30]

Now saying at least 4 dead and 14 wounded including shooter. They say it's a "soldier on soldier" incident. I hope not. That just adds more fuel for the anti's


Yeah, just more fuel for the VA sending out those " you can't own guns now because you have PTSD " letters.

[Great-Kazoo]

Now saying at least 4 dead and 14 wounded including shooter. They say it's a "soldier on soldier" incident. I hope not. That just adds more fuel for the anti's

What fuel for the anti's?
The /mil changed procedure for on base incidents. The only fuel it provides is for PRO-GUN folks to reinforce having a gun can save lives, in situations like this.
Hassan was "soldier on soldier" OR as our fearless leader said, workplace violence [facepalm]

[GilpinGuy]

I just heard the tail end of Obummers speech about this. I wanted to throw my damn ham and cheese sandwich at the TV. I wonder how he'll try to use this to his advantage.

[merl]

What fuel for the anti's?
The /mil changed procedure for on base incidents. The only fuel it provides is for PRO-GUN folks to reinforce having a gun can save lives, in situations like this.
Hassan was "soldier on soldier" OR as our fearless leader said, workplace violence [facepalm]

Not sure how the it can be spun against guns but sure it will be. It does show that even the guys we trust with friggin tanks are defenseless in gun free zones. Who do they call? Police with guns.

[Gman]

Something tells me that soldiers being allowed to carry their sidearms would limit these types of events.

[fly boy]

I'm fine.

I jumped on here to make sure

sent from my waste of money, should have spent it on ammo!

[TEAMRICO]

Link to a pic of the scumbag.
This dirtbag seems to have been a SPC for quite a few years.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/unthinkable-terror-hits-fort-hood-again/

[Dave]

Yeah, just more fuel for the VA sending out those " you can't own guns now because you have PTSD " letters.

After my time in Afghanistan my CO and 1SG at Drum thought I should see the docs about one of my experiences. Even in 2004 I knew I didn't want that label on me, so I politely declined.

[rbeau30]

After my time in Afghanistan my CO and 1SG at Drum thought I should see the docs about one of my experiences. Even in 2004 I knew I didn't want that label on me, so I politely declined.

During my C&P exam, I told the head shrinker absolutely nothing about anything that could be construed that I had seen any stressful stuff.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Shockingly, Fox News broke into Special Report to say a few things about, then back to whatever Benghazi thing Bret Bair had going on... CNN has more coverage on it. That's kinda shameful.

Why is it shameful to cut away once you've delivered the small amount of information you have rather than spend endless hours with nothing but uninformed speculation? I think Fox handled it right -- broke in, delivered the breaking information then cut back to something they had real info on until more info was available.

[mtnrider]

What fuel for the anti's?
The /mil changed procedure for on base incidents. The only fuel it provides is for PRO-GUN folks to reinforce having a gun can save lives, in situations like this.
Hassan was "soldier on soldier" OR as our fearless leader said, workplace violence [facepalm]

Fuel as in no one can be trusted with a gun. All soldiers are mental defects. Anyone can buy a gun and go on a shooting spree. Need I go on?

[mtnrider]

Something tells me that soldiers being allowed to carry their sidearms would limit these types of events.


Amazingly, the General in charge of the base completely disagrees with that and wants no part of soldiers (other then leo) carrying weapons. He made that very clear in his press conference when someone asked that quesition

[KAPA]

Amazingly, the General in charge of the base completely disagrees with that and wants no part of soldiers (other then leo) carrying weapons. He made that very clear in his press conference when someone asked that quesition


Probably because he wants to keep being a General and get another star.

If a member of the military can not be trusted to carry a loaded sidearm, then that person should not be in the military. We give them machine guns, bombs, grenades, missiles and fighter jets but giving them the responsibility to carry a sidearm is too much?

[KAPA]

General said the response time was 15 minutes. Wonder how long that feels like when you are an unarmed sitting duck?

[ZERO THEORY]

It's usual either it happens but not reported usually, to crazies see a trend and follow it.

Am I having a stroke or are you? What in God's name was that supposed to say?

[TheBelly]

Wonder how long that feels like when you are an unarmed sitting duck?

I don't know.

I just got back to the house. I'm home safe for the night.

[Gman]

Am I having a stroke or are you? What in God's name was that supposed to say?
Glad I'm not the only one that couldn't get through that tortured sentence.

[osok-308]

This is a horrible situation for those who were unable to defend themselves. Once again, we see that these gunmen choose gun free zones for a reason. When they are met with an armed response, almost all of them turn the gun on themselves, because they aren't at the advantage anymore.

[Ronin13]

Probably because he wants to keep being a General and get another star.

If a member of the military can not be trusted to carry a loaded sidearm, then that person should not be in the military. We give them machine guns, bombs, grenades, missiles and fighter jets but giving them the responsibility to carry a sidearm is too much?

This was my thought exactly. They trust us with weapons, loaded, 24/7 downrange... But back home? Where we should have expect damn near absolute safety? Oh better not... Stupid I tell you. I just don't understand that DOD policy.

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[Jeffrey Lebowski]

After my time in Afghanistan my CO and 1SG at Drum thought I should see the docs about one of my experiences. Even in 2004 I knew I didn't want that label on me, so I politely declined.


During my C&P exam, I told the head shrinker absolutely nothing about anything that could be construed that I had seen any stressful stuff.

It is really a sad commentary on society today that this has to be the wise and prudent choice that you both made.

[Zundfolge]

Again, the first reflex of the mass shooter is to turn their gun on themselves at the first sign of armed resistance.


source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595777/It-clearly-heroic-did-Brave-female-police-officer-applauded-stopping-Fort-Hood-shooter.html)



A female military police officer is being hailed a hero after she bravely approached the Fort Hood gunman who had just killed three people and injured 16 more in a horror shooting spree.

The cop, who has not yet been identified, risked her life to ensure Iraq war veteran Ivan Lopez, 34, didn't harm anyone else Wednesday afternoon.
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He finally turned his weapon, a .45 caliber Smith & Wesson semi-automatic pistol, on himself, after the officer confronted him in the parking lot.


More and more I'm convinced that the ONLY policy solution to mass shooters is to relax laws/regs related to the carrying of guns and get MORE guns out there "on the streets", in the hands of good guys.

[Ronin13]

Again, the first reflex of the mass shooter is to turn their gun on themselves at the first sign of armed resistance.

More and more I'm convinced that the ONLY policy solution to mass shooters is to relax laws/regs related to the carrying of guns and get MORE guns out there "on the streets", in the hands of good guys.
Stop it, right now! You're using common sense and logic... that is not the proper way to solve these problems, you must act upon emotion! [Sarcasm2]
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[fly boy]

Stop it, right now! You're using common sense and logic... that is not the proper way to solve these problems, you must act upon emotion! [Sarcasm2]


I brought the idea up to the command chief on base of being able to carry as long as you have a CCW. it would be 1. hard to keep track of people, 2. add more guns on base so if there were an active shooter - you possibly become a wrongful target. 3. Political Bullshit says no [Rant1]

[HoneyBadger]

3. Political Bullshit says no [Rant1]


Yup.

[Rucker61]

add more guns on base so if there were an active shooter - you possibly become a wrongful target.

Shouldn't that be my choice? I'll take that chance.

[Zundfolge]

Shooter was prescribed Ambien for trouble sleeping.

http://www.drugs.com/sfx/ambien-side-effects.html

[DavieD55]

Why is it that the perpetrators in all of these shootings are under the influence of "selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors" or SSRI scheduled psychotropic drugs commonly known as anti-depresents and/or sleep aides?

While MSM propaganda and gun grabbers use it to push their agenda and shift the blame onto the 2nd Amendment with an out cry for more restrictions on firearms and firearms owners. When will big pharma and their mind altering chemicals that doctors hand out to people like candy, ever be called into question?.....

[Singlestack]

Again, the first reflex of the mass shooter is to turn their gun on themselves at the first sign of armed resistance.


source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595777/It-clearly-heroic-did-Brave-female-police-officer-applauded-stopping-Fort-Hood-shooter.html)




More and more I'm convinced that the ONLY policy solution to mass shooters is to relax laws/regs related to the carrying of guns and get MORE guns out there "on the streets", in the hands of good guys.

On OReilly last night, OReilly asked General Ralph Peters if he thought personnel on bases should be armed. Peters was aghast and said "absolutely not" and automatic weapons would make for a shooting gallery if a nutjob opened fire. They never discussed allowing handguns on bases, whether open carried or CCW - and thats all it would take to make bases safe again.

[rbeau30]

so.... I guess the law enforcement strategy is to let the active shooter do his/her thing, and just follow the bodies to find them?

[merl]

so.... I guess the law enforcement strategy is to let the active shooter do his/her thing, and just follow the bodies to find them?

LE strategy is to confront & engage ASAP. Don't wait for backup and find out what is going on like they did with Columbine.
Police tactics acknowledge that immediate suicide is a likely result of confrontation.

Leadership strategy (the general's comment) is for LE to follow the bodies to find the shooter.

Edit: The general's policy is as much a CYA maneuver and lack of bold leadership as anything political. He is not going to be held accountable if some nutjob breaks policy and shoots a bunch of people. He will be held accountable every time there is any incident with an authorized weapon.

[mcjhr]

so.... I guess the law enforcement strategy is to let the active shooter do his/her thing, and just follow the bodies to find them?

Its worked so far, hasn't it?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Once again, a whole of speculation just hours after an incident. I wish we as a society were patient enough to let the investigation have a chance to get actual information before we started blaming PTSD or Ambien or whatever. People on this board are as bad as CNN or ABC with the uninformed speculation and attribution.