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kidicarus13
05-02-2009, 17:34
I'm surprised we haven't seen more handgun ammo posted for sale on the forum. Assuming a lot of people bought their ammo 3+ years ago and could now make 3X their money. I'm confident the ammo bubble will burst at some point. Those of you betting against me, what's the going rate for .40/.45 WWB and Blazer ammo these days?
Pancho Villa
05-02-2009, 17:54
If I recall, its illegal to sell completed ammunition without some license from the ATF.

So you might want to reconsider that, or at least check with the ATF for legality. I know that the ATF shouldn't exist, but it does, and I would rather avoid the ATF party van.
kidicarus13
05-02-2009, 17:59
[Wow2], did not know that. That kind of answers my original though.
kidicarus13
05-02-2009, 18:14
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a5

(F11) Is a license required to engage in the business of selling small arms ammunition? [Back (javascript:history.back(1))]
No. A license is not required for a dealer in ammunition only, but a manufacturer or an importer of ammunition must be licensed.
[18 U.S.C. 922 (a)(1)(B)]
Pancho Villa
05-03-2009, 07:08
I believe, assembling your own ammo, you would qualify as a "manufacturer" of ammunition.

I do know that no one without some fancy paper from the ATF sells reloaded ammo at gun shows. Ask them.
kidicarus13
05-03-2009, 10:49
Thanks for the info. The ammo in question is factory ammo.
Pancho Villa
05-04-2009, 11:13
Yes, constructing ammo for the purpose of sale requires an FFL Type 06. Selling factory loaded ammunition, or someone else reloaded ammunition, does not. Selling someone elses reloaded ammunition with their blessing subjects them to the FFL Type 06 requirement.

Someone can pay you to reload as long as they help with some part of the process. If all they do is sit there and prime, it's valid. If they prep all the brass, its valid. If they wipe the sweat from your brow, but they are there, you can probably validate it. If they just mail send you $40 for a couple hundred rounds, it's not.

So if someone gathers and cleans range brass for you, would that qualify? Or do they have to be there with you when you do it?
RRD3
05-04-2009, 12:39
So if someone gathers and cleans range brass for you, would that qualify? Or do they have to be there with you when you do it?


This is were they get ya. There is no definition on "help" with the reloading process. If you are selling personal ammunition to another as a one time sale I think it's ok. If you repeatedly sale ammunition to a person or persons then you would need either a dealer license or a manufactures license.

I have a 7MM, I sale said 7MM and have 100 rounds of 7MM. It's ok for me to sale said 7MM Ammunition to an individual.
jackmode9316
05-04-2009, 13:28
The OP is thinking about selling his factory ammo that he bought 3 years ago(or so I assume). Im guessing it is no different than a private gun sale, right?
Irving
05-04-2009, 13:43
Yes, because the guy didn't actually manufacture the ammo. There is no problem reselling ammo.
Irving
05-04-2009, 15:16
Wouldn't the ATF have to prove that stuff just as well though? Or can they just do whatever they want because they're the gub'ment?
RRD3
05-04-2009, 15:45
Wouldn't the ATF have to prove that stuff just as well though? Or can they just do whatever they want because they're the gub'ment?


They would have to prove it. Which isn't a hard task. What they will need to do is get a search warrant under probable cause. Of course they can just make shit up as they go.

Look at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Don't wanna add a "Denver" to the list of ATF invasions [Muaha]
Irving
05-04-2009, 16:10
Is the ATF going to just magically produce sales receipts that never previously existed? How is the ATF going get wind of people selling their friends ammo in the first place? I realize there are agents on here, and all over the internet, but you could easily have this exact same conversation about paying the neighborhood kids to mow your lawn and shovel your driveway. Sure, if you don't give them a 1099 tax form at the end of each year you're just a heartless criminal, but I doubt any Federal agencies are going to kick your door down and punch your kids in the face.
ChunkyMonkey
05-04-2009, 22:51
Unfortunately.. when the fed brought charges against you, you are guilty until proven otherwise! [Rant1]
ryanek9freak
05-05-2009, 05:56
If I recall, its illegal to sell completed ammunition without some license from the ATF.

So you might want to reconsider that, or at least check with the ATF for legality. I know that the ATF shouldn't exist, but it does, and I would rather avoid the ATF party van.
No it's not, as long as it's factory ammo. It says so right on the BATFE federal firearms licence application, You only need a FFL if you're going to MANUFACTURE and sell ammunition. Even that is only $30 a year, and relativley easy to obtain, compaired to a type 01/02 Gun dealer FFL.
Pancho Villa
05-05-2009, 07:42
No it's not, as long as it's factory ammo. It says so right on the BATFE federal firearms licence application, You only need a FFL if you're going to MANUFACTURE and sell ammunition. Even that is only $30 a year, and relativley easy to obtain, compaired to a type 01/02 Gun dealer FFL.

Yeah, I assumed he was talking about selling ammo that he reloaded himself.

You know what they say about assuming...