Reid calls supporters of cattle rancher "terrorists"

[hatidua]

And this, boys & girls, is how you lay the groundwork to do anything you jolly well please. Label someone a terrorist and all bets are off:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/17/reid-calls-supporters-of-nevada-cattle-rancher-domestic-terrorists/?hpt=hp_t2

[HBARleatherneck]

I was shocked by this yesterday. (not real shocked) Anytime the gov wants to fuck any of us, this is exactly what they will say.

I was going to post it then but after seeing the other thread disappeared with no trace I thought I would tread lightly. Thanks for posting it.

[O2HeN2]

>>“It is an issue that we cannot let go, just walk away from,” Reid said.

I believe that bullies use the phrase "I'll show YOU!"

O2

[BPTactical]

And this is surprising how?
This will be the only aspect of what happened last week covered by the MSM.




And this is how it begins.
Oppose any official .gov doctrine or policy, your a "DT".

Remember this little snippet: "We need a private security force, as well trained and equipped as our military."

[Bailey Guns]

Harry Reid is most likely THE most corrupt person in DC and/or NV. That's a pretty impressive accomplishment.

Not to mention how is a 35 year old man, who's been with the BLM for almost all of 3 years, who was a senior aide to Reid for 8 years prior to that (that means he had a likely work history of about 5 to 7 years after college, none of it in land management) get appointed to be the director of the BLM?

It's time for a serious house cleaning in DC.

[MED]

Standing up for each other in the face of government tyranny...how awful? It sounds like Reid needs to introduce a resolution to tear down the Washington Monument as well as the Jefferson Memorial so that we don't celebrate terrorists. For that matter, they should tear up the Declaration of Independence and strike all the names from history.

[blacklabel]

The domestic terrorist label is quickly becoming a compliment.

[brutal]

Yet Ft. Hood was "workplace violence."

The hypocrisy and blatant irony of so many of their statements is laughable at best.

“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

Um, well I guess that applies to illegals as well?<insert best facepalm ever here>

[Ah Pook]

80+ vehicles of heavily armed federal agents. Attack dogs, drones, helicopters...

And the rancher is considered a terrorist?

[hatidua]

The comments at the end of that article show why Reid calling folks terrorists works - a whole lot of people think the rancher should be shot based on what some of the commenters to that article have written. I tend to agree that 'this isn't over' yet.

[HoneyBadger]

Standing up for each other in the face of government tyranny...how awful? It sounds like Reid needs to introduce a resolution to tear down the Washington Monument as well as the Jefferson Memorial so that we don't celebrate terrorists. For that matter, they should tear up the Declaration of Independence and strike all the names from history.

Don't give them any crazy ideas...

[Chad4000]

The domestic terrorist label is quickly becoming a compliment.

haven't posted in a long time now.... but had to on this... a major AMEN on that... lol

[Irving]

Sounds like someone else needs some Molon Labe post cards mailed to him.

[wctriumph]

I saw that last night in an interview. What a dickhead. If the citizens of Nevada don't throw this bum and his son out next election, I will never spend another cent in Nevada again. I will go around the state to avoid spending any cash there.

[Gman]

To me, this was the real kicker;

He continues to thumb his nose at authority.
Well, Harry, any authority you have comes from 'we the people'. You are not our ruler.

[cstone]

If I am a domestic terrorist, Harry Reid is a traitor and an oath breaker.

Since George Washington was one of this nation's first domestic terrorists, I consider myself in good company.

[HoneyBadger]

Sounds like someone else needs some Molon Labe post cards mailed to him.

I still have all my templates and materials... :D

[ZERO THEORY]

Harry Reid is a charlatan, pseudo-conservative. Is this news?

[trlcavscout]

Reid is racist! He doesn't like those terrorists because they were mostly white!

If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool together who would you save first?

[TFOGGER]

If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool together who would you save first?

I'm guessing it would take me at least an hour to decide.

[jhood001]

Accepting and allowing the blatant misuse of the word 'terrorist' in this country for around a decade has unfortunately opened it up for full-on abuse by this thieving bastard and others to use against anyone they disagree with.

Kind of 1984-ish.

[Gman]

If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool together who would you save first?I saw nothing.



Sent from my electronic leash.

[BPTactical]

I saw nothing.


Sent from my electronic leash.


This would be the correct answer.

[mcjhr]

Reid is racist! He doesn't like those terrorists because they were mostly white!

If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool together who would you save first?

The pool.......?

[sniper7]

Something about a tree, tyrants and patriots....

[UrbanWolf]

Chinses officials call Dalai Lama a terrorist too.

[Big E3]

I guess bullying is ok if your a democrap or Harry Reid. I wouldn't walk across the street to pick up an all expense free trip to Vegas as long as the people living there are stupid enough to keep this clown in power.

[Ah Pook]

So, the Southern Poverty Law Center was calling Mr. Bundy a "domestic terrorist" last week. Is Harry just catching up?

[ANADRILL]

Isn't Reid a Pedophile?

[crays]

Isn't Reid a Pedophile?

Say it enough in the MSM, and it becomes truth.

Sent via Mobile Work Avoidance Device

[Irving]

Reid is racist! He doesn't like those terrorists because they were mostly white!

If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool together who would you save first?

My unlimited peak time minutes.

[sako55]

How does this fuckin puke bag keep getting elected. The actions of this government has become shameful to every sacrifice that has been made this the country what it "was".

Also, why does this dbag feel the need to comment on this at all unless the land deal rumors are true.

@##$@#@&&

[KestrelBike]

If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool together who would you save first?

Wait, I thought I was peeing into a really big latrine...

[Squeeze]

FIFY


If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool together what sandwich would you make?

[Coffee]

[BPTactical]

Listen to the things these liberal, progressive Dems say about those who oppose them when they have a majority.
Now imagine what they would DO if they had absolute power in our elected positions.


That thought alone should scare the hell out of you.
PolPot anyone?


Make no mistake, these are vile people.

[brutal]

Reid is racist! He doesn't like those terrorists because they were mostly white!

If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool of gasoline together how many matches would it take to save them?

FIFY

[vossman]

Look up Reid's Facebook page. He (or probably his staff bitches) posts little things he does a few times a month and the comments are great. People are completely thrashing him. I looked last night for about an hour and did not see one positive comment.

[KestrelBike]

"If Reid and Pelosi were drowning in a pool of gasoline together how many matches would it take to save them?"
FIFY

bwahahahah!!!!

[rockhound]

i would send for help, although it might be a waste of a stamp

[Kraven251]

We own firearms. We believe that the Constitution is as viable now as the day it was written. Some of us have served, all of us would defend to the best of our ability our family, friends, and in some cases even strangers.

By those things alone, we are all pretty much terrorists by the vague definition being thrown around these days.

[ANADRILL]

Isn't Reid a Pedophile?

[RblDiver]

“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

Um, well I guess that applies to illegals as well?<insert best facepalm ever here>

Nono, he said we can't have Americans breaking the law. Foreigners, feel free to come here and break the law all you want, so long as you vote D.

[Gman]

They don't even have to vote D, just register. The Democrat party will take care of stuffing the box with the D votes.

[hatidua]

Isn't Reid a Pedophile?

I googled it and apparently others are curious as well...

[Dave]

Open mouth, insert foot....

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/cliven-bundy-just-ruined-his-cause-20140424

[HoneyBadger]

Open mouth, insert foot....

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/cliven-bundy-just-ruined-his-cause-20140424
[facepalm]

[Irving]

Jesus, some people...

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

It's amazing the power that one word holds. Especially in the wrong hands.

[Teufelhund]

Open mouth, insert foot....

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/cliven-bundy-just-ruined-his-cause-20140424

Sorry, but is there any actual audio of this? Bundy is denying he said it. This article above cites "the NY Times has overheard..." as its source for the comments, and I'm just not inclined to believe a Liberal mouthpiece like that. The very first thing the Lefties do when they want to take over any argument is accuse their opponent of being a racist.

[Logan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI

[Teufelhund]

Christ. What an idiot.

[Logan]

If you listen to the context, I think he is actually making a case against racism. But the sound byte is fodder for ADD, Headlines only, America.

Let me revise that, he is making the case against big government cultivating an environment where blacks and Latinos are kept under thumb and made dependent on government.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I wasn't that impressed by Bundy so am not surprised if he really said something that inarticulate but I'm also not going to take anything written by the NYT on blind faith. The Bundy Ranch standoff always seemed to me as both sides in the wrong -- the larger issues are 1) inappropriate/illegal government conversion of private or state property, 2) corrupt influences in government (i.e., the Reid effect), and 3) inappropriate government use of force.

Were the BLM's actions in forcing ranchers off land and making them agree to give up codified rights appropriate and legal? Is there any justification for the "desert tortoise" conservation area given the population and BLM's own actions in killing "excess" tortoises? What exactly is Sen Reid's connection to the case and is there probable cause for an investigation for corruption and misuse of his office? Should the BLM Director be fired for maladministration, corruption, or just outright incompetence? Why exactly does BLM need its own SWAT force rather than calling on local sheriffs or PD to enforce regulations?

After we get solid answers on those questions, I'd be happy to look into whether Bundy legitimately owes the taxpayers reasonable fees and place a lien on his property and income if he does. In the meantime, don't let the NYT, WashPost or other liberal groups pull the wool over our eyes.

[merl]

If you listen to the context, I think he is actually making a case against racism. But the sound byte is fodder for ADD, Headlines only, America.

Let me revise that, he is making the case against big government cultivating an environment where blacks and Latinos are kept under thumb and made dependent on government.

Even if it was 100% in context is it Ok to stomp on someones rights because of their beliefs regarding a completely different unrelated issue?

[davsel]

Is there anything that he said that is not true?

[Logan]

Even if it was 100% in context is it Ok to stomp on someones rights because of their beliefs regarding a completely different unrelated issue?

No, it isn't. But what you're talking about involves intelligently assessing a situation and making decisions based on principles.

[Zundfolge]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34183815.jpg

[kidicarus13]

Oh I get it... we were on Bundy's side vs BLM/Feds/Reid until we discovered his beliefs don't mirror ours. Got it.

[Teufelhund]

What he said does not cancel out, and in fact has nothing to do with, the Fed's illegal land grab or Reid's treasonous activities.

What he said makes him an idiot, because the popular perception, exaggerated by the Lefty media, will be that he is a racist. The conversation has become centered around something completely irrelevant and there will be no turning it back. Every politician and high-profile public group who supported him before over the land grab, will now distance themselves from him because of this stupid shit that fell out of his mouth. He effectively alienated most of his support base.

[Dave]

Oh I get it... we were on Bundy's side vs BLM/Feds/Reid until we discovered his beliefs don't mirror ours. Got it.
No, but it would be career suicide for politicians to be on his side now. Wait for BLM to show up with Treasury agents and a federal seize order for his assets with Harry Reid standing with a cigarette in his mouth pointing to a naked Clive Bundy's groin region.

[Zundfolge]

Oh I get it... we were on Bundy's side vs BLM/Feds/Reid until we discovered his beliefs don't mirror ours. Got it.

No, I never trusted the guy to begin with, but was still on his side because BLM/Feds/Reid were significantly more in the wrong than he ... the problem now is that he's undermined all his supporters because now we don't support a rancher being wronged by the government, we support a racist. Period. Full Stop. And now nothing that the government does to him can be criticized.

The goal of Reid and the Democrat/Media complex is to paint Bundy and his supporters as rogue elements, "terrorists", modern Klansmen. And with this one stupid interview he just gave the left everything they need to hang him AND us with him.

God protect the next white rancher the BLM goes after, because now they'll be emboldened enough to kill his entire herd and put his head on a pike and nobody can come to his aid without being painted with the "racist" brush by the media and the Democrats.

[Logan]

“His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Paul said in a statement, according to Business Insider. Jumped that ship faster than a captain in Korea.

[funkymonkey1111]

what he said doesn't bother me.

[davsel]

what he said doesn't bother me.

And it shouldn't.
The same premise Clive Bundy spoke of, has been stated repeatedly by Thomas Sowell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VrANfyzuW8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC2l24xOJzA

[KestrelBike]

And it shouldn't.
The same premise Clive Bundy spoke of, has been stated repeatedly by Thomas Sowell.

Thanks for posting this. When was that interview done? 70's, 80's? Nothing's changed, it's just gotten worse. Oh, well maybe a s***load of democrat "leaders" have gotten rich.

[kidicarus13]

"It really don’t matter to me if you twist my words out," Bundy said at the end of his press conference. "It matters that my heart goes out to the people of this world, and they understand what I stand for."



If only the rest of us (I realize not all of us are) weren't so afraid to speak our minds in public for fear of public ridicule.

[blacklabel]

The concept of the welfare system being modern slavery isn't new. I don't have a problem with what he said.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Oh I get it... we were on Bundy's side vs BLM/Feds/Reid until we discovered his beliefs don't mirror ours. Got it.

Mmmmm ... no, you got nothing.

[blacklabel]

http://youtu.be/D499CVEP7Es

[Gman]

I think the comparison to picking cotton as a job coupled with the subject of slavery was probably not the best choice of words. I agree with him in that having 3rd and 4th generation welfare families is evidence that something is really wrong. Humans really need to understand the rewards of the fruit of their labor to fulfill their full development as members of a society.

[sellersm]

Here's an article calling out the NYT for their "editing": http://patdollard.com/2014/04/shock-hoax-exposed-full-clip-of-cliven-bundys-non-racist-pro-black-anti-government-remarks-vs-media-matters-deceptively-edited-hoax-version-see-that-cliven-bundy-is-actually-an-advocat/

[Dave]

I think the comparison to picking cotton as a job coupled with the subject of slavery was probably not the best choice of words. I agree with him in that having 3rd and 4th generation welfare families is evidence that something is really wrong. Humans really need to understand the rewards of the fruit of their labor to fulfill their full development as members of a society.

This was my problem with it, his words were poorly chosen and poorly timed considering he has other issues to deal with still. The problem is the gov telling people that it's ok for them to take handouts long term and the media making it a race problem which allows people like Sharpton and Jackson to get on TV and say it's whitey's fault that minorities have higher poverty rates (even though they themselves are wealthy) and therefore rich and middle class white people should pay higher taxes to be redistributed to the poor.

[hollohas]

The dude is under the national microscope now and will constantly have cameras stuck in his face by reporters hoping he'll say something stupid. I'm sure they were trying to get him to say something like this so they could take the wind out of his sails. But of course, ANYBODY with little public relations experience would eventually say something stupid that the media could tear apart. The only way to avoid it is to never say anything on camera.

[RMAC757]

Is there a nything that he said that is not true?

He forgot to mention that your an ( no name calling). One thing has nothing to with the other but saying that people were "better off under slavery"? Are you fuc$ing kidding me? How well did that go for us as a nation? News alert.....it's not just blacks that are perpetually in this system and that constantly receive govt aid. Actually there are far more whites receiving federal aid than blacks. The percentage is the the same, around 39% for each group, but the number of whites is around 70% as opposed to 12.5% for blacks. Ever been to Tennesse, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, LA, Mississpi etc?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

IBTL

[RMAC757]

This was my problem with it, his words were poorly chosen and poorly timed considering he has other issues to deal with still. The problem is the gov telling people that it's ok for them to take handouts long term and the media making it a race problem which allows people like Sharpton and Jackson to get on TV and say it's whitey's fault that minorities have higher poverty rates (even though they themselves are wealthy) and therefore rich and middle class white people should pay higher taxes to be redistributed to the poor.

Dave, I don't think the govt makes a distinction on race when it comes to tax bracket.

[davsel]

He forgot to mention that your an idiot. One thing has nothing to with the other but saying that people were "better off under slavery"? Are you fuc$ing kidding me? How well did that go for us as a nation? News alert.....it's not just blacks that are perpetually in this system and that constantly receive govt aid. Ever been to Tennesse, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, LA, Mississpi etc?

You're an emotionally driven intellectual. You obviously did not watch or read the last page of this thread. Put down the frozen latte, take a deep breath, and go back and watch the video clip of what Cliven Bundy actually stated. Then, if your panties are still in a bunch, maybe you can point to what it was he said that is not true.

[crays]

IBTL

It will be sooner than later, I believe.

[RMAC757]

I watched the whole thing and still have a problem with the BLM's actions. I have a problem with you you saying " is there anything he said that is not true?. I don't wear panties or drink lattes. What he said was stupid and hurt not only the support for his cause but all those who come after him. Passive aggressive comments like the one you made are out of line.

You're an emotionally driven intellectual. You obviously did not watch or read the last page of this thread. Put down the frozen latte, take a deep breath, and go back and watch the video clip of what Cliven Bundy actually stated. Then, if your panties are still in a bunch, maybe you can point to what it was he said that is not true.

[thvigil11]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/JqAg7.gif

[JMBD2112]

IBTL

YEP

[davsel]

I watched the whole thing and still have a problem with the BLM's actions. I have a problem with you you saying " is there anything he said that is not true?. I don't wear panties or drink lattes. What he said was stupid and hurt not only the support for his cause but all those who come after him. Passive aggressive comments like the one you made are out of line.

So, are you conceding that what he said is in fact true, but that it hurts your feelings?

[RMAC757]

No, I stated that what he said in relation to slavery being better for people was a very bad thing and that you agreeing with that was stupid. I'm not trying to get this thread locked so I'll leave it at that. My feelings.......are you serious? Your very Passive aggressive.

So, are you conceding that what he said is in fact true, but that it hurts your feelings?

[Irving]

There is no possible way this thread will be locked. None.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

There is no possible way this thread will be locked. None.

Yup. And time outs need to be handed out too. IMO.

[RMAC757]

Yup. And time outs need to be handed out too. IMO.

Not sure what I said that would warrant a TO. I voiced an opinion. That's it. How is that diferent than any other thread on the this board?

[davsel]

No, I stated that what he said in relation to slavery being better for people was a very bad thing and that you agreeing with that was stupid. I'm not trying to get this thread locked so I'll leave it at that. My feelings.......are you serious? Your very Passive aggressive.

If you watch the video (post #51), the very first thing Mr. Bundy talks about is that blacks had riots due to their lack of freedoms (Watts) and that we've come a long way, and that we "sure don't want to go back." He set the tone in the first 35 seconds of the clip. The clip then ends with his praise of Mexican family values over white's.

You heard the word "slavery" and had an emotional reaction, IMO.
The point Mr. Bundy is attempting to get across is that, welfare recipients are/were better off having a job, a purpose, something to do with their lives.
Drop the PC BS and try to understand the ideas he is attempting to convey. He is not a polished public speaker. He calls it how he sees it.

You then felt the need to call me out as an "idiot" for asking a simple question.
When I called you on it, you spouted off some nonsense about being "passive aggressive."
I'll be as aggressive as you'd like, just not in this thread - don't want it locked.

[<MADDOG>]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aujTwuJY8

[RMAC757]

If you watch the video (post #51), the very first thing Mr. Bundy talks about is that blacks had riots due to their lack of freedoms (Watts) and that we've come a long way, and that we "sure don't want to go back." He set the tone in the first 35 seconds of the clip. The clip then ends with his praise of Mexican family values over white's.

You heard the word "slavery" and had an emotional reaction, IMO.
The point Mr. Bundy is attempting to get across is that, welfare recipients are/were better off having a job, a purpose, something to do with their lives.
Drop the PC BS and try to understand the ideas he is attempting to convey. He is not a polished public speaker. He calls it how he sees it.

You then felt the need to call me out as an "idiot" for asking a simple question.
When I called you on it, you spouted off some nonsense about being "passive aggressive."
I'll be as aggressive as you'd like, just not in this thread - don't want it locked.

That's not exactly the way it went. Setting the tone and comparing someone being a slave and growing turnips as "better life" is ridiculous. I don't have to agree with that, even if I oppose the the actions of the BLM. Being a slave serves a purpose for a fruitful life? How many hundreds of thousand of lives were lost to stop slavery. It ripped our country apart. I did call you an idiot but removed it 15 seconds later. I guess you forgot about the panties and latte comment. Apparently that wasn't emotional? Dude your every bit as emotional as anyone else on this board. For the record slave families were ripped apart and sold as property. I think your passive aggressive. Take it as you want.

[RMAC757]

A little ad on. All people black, white, yellow, purple whatever are better off not relying on the state. We tend to associate welfare with one particular group when in fact those numbers are often skewed and misleading. As stated previously. The same percentage of blacks and whites are on welfare. The total percentage of of those groups is a huge spread. 70% to 12.5%. It's not a race problem it's a society problem.

[Ronin13]

"Racism" aside, am I the only one who is tired of hearing about Cliven Bundy? I understand the cause at one point, but FFS, these non-MSM sources (IE: The Blaze, Young Cons, etc.) just keep going on and on and on with Bundy this, Bundy that. You'd think he has his own reality show...
ETA: While on the subject of "racist" terminology, to include the two variants of "the N-word", I will say this... First off, I'm about as against political correctness as they come, but there are some terms that just do absolutely nothing to further a respectful and rational dialog in our common vernacular, and two of those such terms are the two aforementioned "N-words." I understand at one point they were words in common usage and were accepted, but times do change sometimes for the better and today, in our modern language those two words do absolutely nothing except anger, offend, shock, hurt or otherwise disparage, and really serve no positive purpose in modern language (similar to a certain C-word) in any real tangible context. If someone grew up or lived during a time when those words were acceptable to use, well, sorry, but they aren't any more and instead of going on using them (as in Mr. Bundy's case) how about taking a higher road and actually showing some respect for other people on this one?

[RMAC757]

These threads are sort of like a NASCAR race. People don't necessarily want a winner as much they do a crash.

[StagLefty]

It's not a race problem it's a society problem.

Amen !!!

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Not sure what I said that would warrant a TO. I voiced an opinion. That's it. How is that diferent than any other thread on the this board?

I didn't name anyone, did I?

[RMAC757]

I didn't name anyone, did I?

[Beer]

[davsel]

A little ad on. All people black, white, yellow, purple whatever are better off not relying on the state. We tend to associate welfare with one particular group when in fact those numbers are often skewed and misleading. As stated previously. The same percentage of blacks and whites are on welfare. The total percentage of of those groups is a huge spread. 70% to 12.5%. It's not a race problem it's a society problem.

I'm not quite understanding this argument. I googled a bit and found others who are stating the same as being some sort of statistical proof that whites and blacks are equally likely to be on welfare.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if whites make up 70% of the population and blacks make up 12.5% of the population, and both blacks and whites make up the same percentage of people on welfare, approximately 39% each, wouldn't that mean that blacks are 5.6 times more likely to be on welfare than whites?

[Aloha_Shooter]

davsel, I think his point is that about 39% of blacks and 39% of whites are on welfare so there are nearly 6 times as many whites on welfare as blacks.

Personally, I think all of that is beside the point which is why I called Bundy inarticulate. I think Bundy's point was that the government handout gravy train makes slaves of all the recipients. I agree with that. As an outsider (I'm neither white nor black nor a recipient), I would also tend to agree the government handouts have virtually destroyed the family structure in recipients. I think he was trying to say you can see that most visibly in the black community and I believe that is also true. The rest of what he said was simply stupid -- but it also doesn't take away (much as the NYT and WP and other liberal rags would like it to) from the fact that the BLM was overreaching and tyrannical in this instance. In fact, there appears to be a pattern of government at all levels becoming tyrannical and corrupt for the last couple decades or so. Just look at Kelo v. New London; what a crock ... Souter should have been forced to resign for the decision he wrote.

[davsel]

davsel, I think his point is that about 39% of blacks and 39% of whites are on welfare so there are nearly 6 times as many whites on welfare as blacks.

I believe the 39% refers to the percentage of the welfare total.
This would mean there are an equal number of whites and blacks on welfare.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I believe the 39% refers to the percentage of the welfare total.
This would mean there are an equal number of whites and blacks on welfare.

I interpreted his statement as he wrote it however, your interpretation caused me to actually look it up.

According to http://statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/, taken from HHS and Cato on Jan 1 2014,

38.8% of welfare recipients are white
39.8% of welfare recipients are black
15.7% of welfare recipients are Hispanic
2.4% of welfare recipients are Asian
3.3% of welfare recipients are Other.

So yes, the total numbers of white and black recipients are nearly the same which means the percentage of each race on welfare will vary inversely with their percentage of the total population.

[obama]

[davsel]

The full uncut/unedited interview/press conference video (over 1 hour long):
http://bambuser.com/v/4549915

[davsel]

Found at: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/04/25/we-rose-in-defense-of-cliven-bundy-and-we-will-remain-so-the-signal-will-get-out/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt6msZmU7Y

[blacklabel]

This thread is a great example of the NY Times piece serving it's purpose. It's taken the attention off of government overreach, "domestic terrorism", patriots banding together and put it on some racist bullshit that we can all go rounds about when at the end of the day it doesn't change jack.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

It's amazing the power that one word holds. Especially in the wrong hands.

I'm gonna quote myself and leave this right here.

7cd3TG9uoMg

[cstone]

So let me get this straight. There is this border, and the cattle are allowed to illegally immigrate across that border. Why doesn't the government put up a fence?

It sounds like the government wants to allow immigration if the cattle are documented and pay a fee to temporarily immigrate. After all, the cattle are only grazing what no one else wants to graze. Why isn't the rancher paying the fee?

If the cattle are caught illegally on the other side of the border, they are detained by the government. Eventually, the cattle are returned the their side of the border. What is stopping the cattle from illegally crossing the border in the future? If the rancher pays the fee will the government reform the system and allow open borders?

I can see how this issue has become racist. Cows just want a better life. [beatdeadhorse]

[Firehaus]

State grazing laws, just like Colorado. If you don't want live stock on your land, it's YOUR responsibility to put up a fence to keep them out.


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[BPTactical]

So let me get this straight. There is this border, and the cattle are allowed to illegally immigrate across that border. Why doesn't the government put up a fence?

It sounds like the government wants to allow immigration if the cattle are documented and pay a fee to temporarily immigrate. After all, the cattle are only grazing what no one else wants to graze. Why isn't the rancher paying the fee?

If the cattle are caught illegally on the other side of the border, they are detained by the government. Eventually, the cattle are returned the their side of the border. What is stopping the cattle from illegally crossing the border in the future? If the rancher pays the fee will the government reform the system and allow open borders?

I can see how this issue has become racist. Cows just want a better life. [beatdeadhorse]


I am detecting a slight note of sarcasm Chuck.....

[JackRyan]

If I am a domestic terrorist, Harry Reid is a traitor and an oath breaker.

Since George Washington was one of this nation's first domestic terrorists, I consider myself in good company.


Amen

[kidicarus13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt6msZmU7Y

It's hard for me to watch Whittle because it reminds me how brainwashed and far left our country really is.

[Bailey Guns]

Whittle is a damn genius. I don't think I've ever heard him say anything I disagree with.

[kidicarus13]

Whittle is a damn genius. I don't think I've ever heard him say anything I disagree with.

+3 ...my 2 friends and I are hanging out.

[wctriumph]

I'll be have my daughter watch this sometime this weekend.

Tea


III

[blacklabel]

Looks like the FBI is going to go after Bundy supporters.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute

[Irving]

Good news for anyone tired of living.

[kidicarus13]

Looks like the FBI is going to go after Bundy supporters.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25469579/breaking-news-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters-in-blm-dispute

"Officers told the I-Team they feared for their lives that day because of the assembled firepower..."

Well...

[RblDiver]

"Officers told the I-Team they feared for their lives that day because of the assembled firepower..."

Well...

Meanwhile, over on a sniper's hill...

[HoneyBadger]

Good news for anyone tired of living.

...Says the proletariat. ;)

But in all honesty, this is exactly the sort of intimidation and harrassment his supporters (and anyone who stands up to government) should expect.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Why all the hate from BLM and Reid and the other left wingers for undocumented cattle?

[RblDiver]

Why all the hate from BLM and Reid and the other left wingers for undocumented cattle?

Because they've not yet registered to vote D.

[TheWeeze]

Why all the hate from BLM and Reid and the other left wingers for undocumented cattle?


It's not that the cattle are undocumented, it's that he refuses to pay federal land grazing fees as they feed on federal land. Or at least that's how I understand it.

This is basically the movie 'Open Range' with Kevin Costner.

Sent from my concealed and carried cellular telephone.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It's not that the cattle are undocumented, it's that he refuses to pay federal land grazing fees as they feed on federal land. Or at least that's how I understand it.

This is basically the movie 'Open Range' with Kevin Costner.

Sent from my concealed and carried cellular telephone.

[fail]

Dang, did you really miss the sarcasm and irony?

[Gman]

His family has been grazing that land before the Feds claimed it from the state of Nevada. Minor detail.

[blacklabel]

[fail]

Dang, did you really miss the sarcasm and irony?

We're here to have a laugh, they're here to be serious.

[BushMasterBoy]

When the state punishes the people it is called criminal justice, when the people punish the state it is called revolution. Sometimes I think a coup d'etat would not be such a bad thing...headlines read "Obama flees to Kenya"

[XC700116]

That's not exactly the way it went. Setting the tone and comparing someone being a slave and growing turnips as "better life" is ridiculous. I don't have to agree with that, even if I oppose the the actions of the BLM. Being a slave serves a purpose for a fruitful life? How many hundreds of thousand of lives were lost to stop slavery. It ripped our country apart. I did call you an idiot but removed it 15 seconds later. I guess you forgot about the panties and latte comment. Apparently that wasn't emotional? Dude your every bit as emotional as anyone else on this board. For the record slave families were ripped apart and sold as property. I think your passive aggressive. Take it as you want.

Good lord, do you really think the Civil War was about slavery?

I'm not trying to derail this thread but this assertion drives me insane. Do some research and understand what the real roots of the Civil War were. Slavery only became a big issue in the Civil War when Lincoln figured out that a stance of abolishment would get the abolitionists to jump in on his side, at a time when the Union Army was losing or at best knocked back on their heels. The war was about secession, and Lincoln's unconstitutional bid to stop it. Abolishment of slavery was later thrown in the mix, but you won't hear it that way in any public school. History is written by the victors.

To the rest of your points, your understanding of statistics is drastically skewed as Aloha Shooter pointed out and illustrated. But I wholly agree with you and others, and I believe what Bundy was trying to articulate, in that being dependent on the govt handouts IS akin to slavery, just without the whips and forced labor, they are still 100% under the govt's thumb. Either way I agree saying it, and the way he tried to say it, at that point in time, was pretty short sighted in his struggle with the BLM. He handed them and the media everything they needed to pummel him and have 90% of the idiotic public turn any support they had for him against him. He shouldn't have tried to expound his struggle to more broad assertions just because he suddenly had a soap box to stand on.

Disclaimer: I am not a racist in any way shape or form, I just really hate the way facts and history get skewed because of political expediency. I also hate the way statistics get skewed the same way, which I'm sure to the leftists mind, because of the truth of those statistics doesn't serve their uses 100% of the time, makes me a racist.

[Ah Pook]

Good lord, do you really think the Civil War was about slavery?
+1

Almost lost the Union support too. Not like the movie.

[HoneyBadger]

There is no possible way this thread will be locked. None.
[Coffee]

[UncleDave]

IBTL

[Great-Kazoo]

When the state punishes the people it is called criminal justice, when the people punish the state it is called revolution. Sometimes I think a coup d'etat would not be such a bad thing...headlines read "Obama flees to Kenya"

More like, Kenyan flees to Obama.

[roberth]

Good lord, do you really think the Civil War was about slavery?

I'm not trying to derail this thread but this assertion drives me insane. Do some research and understand what the real roots of the Civil War were. Slavery only became a big issue in the Civil War when Lincoln figured out that a stance of abolishment would get the abolitionists to jump in on his side, at a time when the Union Army was losing or at best knocked back on their heels. The war was about secession, and Lincoln's unconstitutional bid to stop it. Abolishment of slavery was later thrown in the mix, but you won't hear it that way in any public school. History is written by the victors.

Thank you.

[hollohas]

Zombie thread lives!

One of the guys in the wash just got 68 years.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/27/arizona-man-gets-68-years-in-bundy-standoff-case.html


A federal judge sentenced a Phoenix man Wednesday to 68 years in prison for his role as a gunman in a standoff that stopped federal agents from rounding up cattle near the Nevada ranch of anti-government activist Cliven Bundy three years ago.


Prosecutors had sought a maximum sentence of 73 years for Gregory Burleson after he was convicted of threatening and assaulting a federal officer, obstruction and traveling across state lines in aid of extortion.

But Chief U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro in Las Vegas knocked five years off the recommendation, noting that the 53-year-old Burleson has gone blind, has serious health issues and was once an informant for the FBI.

Burleson's attorney, Terrence Jackson, said he will appeal.

'Scare and bullying tactics'

Navarro said she believed Burleson and other armed men used "scare and bullying tactics" to put federal agents in such mortal fear that they abandoned attempts to enforce court orders to round up Bundy cattle in April 2014

Navarro said the government employees suffered lasting psychological harm as a result of the encounter.

"Even though a shot was not fired," the judge declared, "the injuries were very real."

Feds got scared, man who helped "bully" them gets 68 years. Seems fair...

[cstone]

" the 53-year-old Burleson has gone blind, has serious health issues "

I don't know what Burleson's family situation is but this almost sounds like he was forcibly enrolled in one of the federal government's single payer healthcare plans through club fed.

[hollohas]

" the 53-year-old Burleson has gone blind, has serious health issues "

I don't know what Burleson's family situation is but this almost sounds like he was forcibly enrolled in one of the federal government's single payer healthcare plans through club fed.True, true.

Hell, he could end up being Blago's rommie in Englewood.

[Bailey Guns]

Another zombie thread revival...

Judge dismisses all charges against Bundy due to "prosecutorial misconduct". Is that someone's career I hear being flushed down the toilet? Oh...and most of the evidence that was withheld from the defense came from the FBI. Shocker...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/08/charges-against-rancher-cliven-bundy-three-others-are-dismissed.html

[hollohas]

There was some SERIOUS corruption happing even before the "standoff". The head regional BLM guy was fired a short while ago because of all of it. And there was a major FED whistle blower that came forward to bring it all to light.

Even more guys were let off prior. One of the big defense arguments was that the Buddy supporters who had guns did so in self defense because there were fed snipers. The Feds said, "BS, we didn't have any snipers" and the judge actually forbid the defense from even mentioning it. Well, turns out the Feds did have snipers in place for a LONG time before the well publicized standoff showing the "crazy right wingers" with guns. The judge found that out and was pissed.

[henpecked]

Didn't Harry Reid want the land for some solar project?

[buffalobo]

Didn't Harry Reid want the land for some solar project?Reid and his ChiCom investors.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim

[Bailey Guns]

There was some SERIOUS corruption happing even before the "standoff". The head regional BLM guy was fired a short while ago because of all of it. And there was a major FED whistle blower that came forward to bring it all to light.

Even more guys were let off prior. One of the big defense arguments was that the Buddy supporters who had guns did so in self defense because there were fed snipers. The Feds said, "BS, we didn't have any snipers" and the judge actually forbid the defense from even mentioning it. Well, turns out the Feds did have snipers in place for a LONG time before the well publicized standoff showing the "crazy right wingers" with guns. The judge found that out and was pissed.

Go figure...the FBI under Comey was corrupt.

[vectorsc]

This is one of the most amazing things to happen this year. Amazing. Often times our courts are modeled after a railroad. Good job for once one small part of .gov.

[Zundfolge]

Dismissed with prejudice ... one of the rare moments that gives me hope the Republic (and rule of law) isn't dead.

[kidicarus13]

From what I know, verdict seemed about right.

[Ah Pook]

Way too much BS and over-reach in this case. I hope "dismissed with prejudice" lays the ground work for a counter suite.


https://d.tube/#!/v/gavinseim/2s6n2nnz

[bryjcom]

Glad it turned out this way. Remember that this all stemmed from the Feds(Harry Reid) wanting to get this land for a chinese solar project.