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Boy was anyone listening to Tom Martino today? There was a lady that bought a pistol from Rich Wyatt (Gunsmoke) then couldn't pass the CBI. Because he has his customers buy the firearm before the CBI is ran. He wouldn't give her the moeny back. He offered to sell the pistol for her for a 20% commission.This went on for about and hour back and fourth. Until him and Tom about went to blows calling each other names, accusing each other of various stuff.
I could see where he had a point. That is how he wants to do buisness. But Man what a "ishy" way of doing buisness. i was honestly thinking of taking his CCW class I hear about on the radio but after this I don't think I'll ever be stepping in his store.
Any thoughts???
Yeah I heard it. After hearing him I would not buy a gun from him. He has a F--- the CBI attitude wich I understand but charging 20% for not being able to buy a gun is a litle crazy. I can see it if it was a special order or something he couldnt easly resell. Why he rings up the gun and charges the customer before he does the background check is a business practice I have never seen in any other shop.
They had a CBI spokesperson on yesterday to "clarify" and he said it was BS, that no one does that and that the law does not require the transfer of money before the BC is done.
It looked to me like Wyatt was taking advantage of folks, he as much said so when he said he does not need customers that can not pass the background, but then said that BI always screws them up.
I will not be going there.
jackmode9316
05-07-2009, 07:41
Well, I know where NOT to shopp.
roman gnome
05-07-2009, 19:47
I caught the last part of that driving in my truck, two A-holes calling each other A-holes! I had to laugh![Tooth]
In the end it would seem he did the right thing but more work than it should be. If you want to chanrge a 20% fee to run a check say so up front and make the charge clear.
I don't need more hotheads in my life, I will pass.
PanamaDave
05-08-2009, 04:34
Links from KHOW radio website for the Martino on air show to hear for yourself...
Part 1:
http://tinyurl.com/owpqd8
Part 2:
http://tinyurl.com/py9vbj
Part 3:
http://tinyurl.com/pmksr6
and actual links should you have probs. opening above tinyurl links...
Part 1:
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KHOW-AM/martino%205-5-09%202pm.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=talk&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Tom_Martino&PCAST_CAT=Spoken_Word&PCAST_TITLE=Troubleshooter_Unleashed
Part 2:
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KHOW-AM/martino%205-6-09%2012pm.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=talk&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Tom_Martino&PCAST_CAT=Spoken_Word&PCAST_TITLE=Troubleshooter_Unleashed
Part 3:
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KHOW-AM/martino%205-6-09%202pm.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=talk&SITE_ID=636&STATION_ID=KHOW-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Tom_Martino&PCAST_CAT=Spoken_Word&PCAST_TITLE=Troubleshooter_Unleashed
I've been telling people on here and my other board that Gunsmoke is easily the WORST gunshop in town. Why anyone would take their ccw class is beyond me. They charge $145 for a lecture only class with no range time. You can go to Green Mountain Guns (and almost any other place in the state) and take a class with both lecture and range time for $150.
I was asking them if they had any junk pistols, and the guy actually said this to me. "Not really, I might buy a gun off someone for $400, then turn around and sell it for $900." What the fuck? Have any of you guys actually been in there? I went in asking for a shoulder stock for a Remington 870. They pointed me in the right direction and I dug through their pile. They had several, USED, synthetic black forend and shoulder stock combos for sale for $89! You can get that brand new from the factory for $60! That place is ridiculous.
GunTroll
05-08-2009, 12:26
I recently graduated from CST and was told to go there for employment. NO way! I'd rather sell coffee with my wife than gunsmith for that place. It's not a "privilege" to shop in that store as he/they make it seem. Tell your buddies and family to go else where for their needs. Tell you enemies to go to that place to get it rough and dry![Kick1]
Driftwood
05-08-2009, 14:10
Just listened to the interviews - thanks for those links, Dave.
Wyatt's quite the shady "businessman", IMO. He used a lot of buzzwords and painted himself as the victim by saying things like "Gunsmoke's the big dog in town..." and "CBI is just out to get me because I've criticized them before..." blah, blah, blah. He just oozes with BS. I'm going to make sure all my family and friends know about this guy and to stay away.
How can he legally "Transfer" (or sell) a gun to somebody who cant legally own one?
Wyatt is a convicted criminal.
Jeff Cooper gave himt he boot.
What more is there to say?
I missed the original interviews but caught the aftermath. I got to thinking, there has been only one time I put a CC down on a firearm before the CBI passed (I was pretty sure it would go through).
Is it technically illegal for a dealer to "sell" a firearm before the CBI is approved? She paid for it but never took possession. Sounds shady.
nontactical
05-08-2009, 20:38
Two thaughts about this kitten raping pederast:
1. His 1911s are built with 1960s technology. He still believes that a gun cannot be both tight and reliable bc he doesn't know what gun timing is. Seriously; this is just ignant. He stipples or checkers all of his guns to give them bling factor, then butchers a match grade barrel shoehorning it in to a sloppy gun. Then he slaps a 3k price on it and tells everyone its sloppy on purpose. Captain Douchebag.
2. One time before I knew better, I was in there browsing and forgot my sunglasses. I got halfway home, called and got him on the phone. He said he would hold them for me and I told him I would be in the following Monday (three days hence). When I showed up, he laughed at me in front of his staff and said that they couldn't possibly be heald responsible (which would be true if he hadnt accepted responsibility). If I can't trust you with my $100 Ray-Bans, how can I trust you with my 1k, 2k or 3k gun?
This is one of those guys who has a great rep with the general public b/c the shop looks nice and he has celeb clients. Everyone who knows anything about guns ends up at Andy's or elsewhere.
Who are his celeb clients?
All those pics he show folks are ones taken at publicity events wher ea ton of folks had the same pic taken.
Ever hear him tell how he wanted to open a Jeff Cooper museum as long as someone else would fund it and pay him big $$$ to be the director?
I don't know anything about the guy to start personally attacking him. But I will say the dude, after Peter Boyles and Tom Martino talked some sense into him (off air). Gave the gal her money back. He was still arrogant yesterday when Tom followed up on the deal. Too bad he couldn't have said upfront "yes I will give her the money back" no questions asked. BUT I do have some issues with the way CBI runs the back ground checks. Will you Tom help me get to the bottom of it?
The dude got 3 days of air time that cost him ALOT! Basically free advertising if done right. Had he been a good guy he would have made a pile of money off new customers, but, instead he chose the $180 commission and made himself jsut look like SHIT!
The only thing that I got out of this was, the CBI really don't know what the hell to do. They don't know how to interpret the FFL form. It's pretty simple really re write the form so that there is a black and white interpretation.
It just goes to show the government can't handle the gun laws they got now. How the hell are they going to enforce any new ones? Thank God![UZI]
I listen to KHOW all the time and i heard this whole thing. Gun Smoke advertises on Peter Boyles show and they should ok.... until I heard Wyatt on the show. What a complete and total TOOL!
He has got to be the only dealer / shop in town that makes you buy the gun before the check is complete.
Then after the mess he basically trashes that woman saying she wasn't right in the head.
What a freaking ass clown. No business from me or anyone that I have the chance to tell them about GS.
I'm fairly sure I've bashed Gunsmoke on here before so I won't rehash an old complaint, but the only thing in this thread that surprises me is that he finally relented and gave all her money back. The guy, in my opinion, damages each and every one of our reputations each time he opens his mouth in front of ... well, pretty much anyone.
I went there,,, Once, about 11 years ago... And , frankly if, He was the only gun dealer in the universe,,and was selling 5.56 at $20 per 5000, throwing in a free AR with purchase... I still wouldn't buy anything from Him....
Now we just need to spread teh word.
GunTroll
05-12-2009, 17:34
Its spread just fine in my circle!
ldmaster
05-17-2009, 00:44
I know of two people who's guns he "lost". I know that two M1 carbines disappeared from inventory when he worked at Alma - he said he took them to trade on replacement shotguns.
No shotguns ever turned up.
I know two small-town PD's who hired and fired him within months.
The case that sent him to jail involved him stealing firearms from his ex-wife.
He's at thief, a braggart and a liar. He makes a career out of schmoozing with minor celebrities, Pete Boyles should look into the guy more closely before using him on air.
Yeah, I can prove what I said.
Now we just need to spread teh word.
I think he spread his own word, or was spreading something around when he was on the radio. I'm sure that this hurt his business more than any of us could do.
Sled_Dog
05-27-2009, 13:49
I don't know about his history, but he and his "sales monkeys" and their price gouging is enough for me to warn people off. Gunsmoke can suck it.
And Peter Boyles is about the last person I would seek advice from. Nothing personal but I stopped listening to him because I got tired of listening to hime drone on about gangsters and crap. Who cares! And his "principles" change with the phases of the moon. The only good thing that man has done in the 6 mos I listened is help the Airman with his car impounded in Denver. Tired of these "credit card riders."
Batteriesnare
04-21-2010, 13:13
Wyatt is a convicted criminal.
Care to back that up with some evidence??
cognitive dissonance
04-22-2010, 22:18
Care to back that up with some evidence??How funny that this story won't die. What's been said here is all true. There's evidence all over the place. Try the Jefferson County Court records, for starters. It was also covered in a Rocky Mountain News article, complete with his mug shot photo!. I photocopied the article and could probably find it and scan it if you really doubt the veracity of the story.
Or - here you go - I just Googled and there are searchable Rocky Mountain News archives online. They charge a couple of bucks for individual articles.
The whole case revolved around Richie's refusal to turn over money and guns (a Steyr Scout and a 1911) that had been awarded to his ex-wife Rebecca in their divorce. He had chance after chance to settle up and finally the judge threw him in jail for contempt. I recall the Rocky article said he was belligerent to the judge and that he was in jail for weeks.
I met Rebecca before I met him, long ago. Long before he had a shop of his own. She was just as sweet as could be, and he was an egotistical jerk - just total opposites. (You always scratch your head at that kind of couple!) Rebecca suffered a closed head injury in an accident, and I suspect her settlement money was how he transitioned from working stiff to shop owner. (Don't know, but the timing was perfect.) I was long since out of touch with her by then, but was told by a fairly reliable person that she suffered some permanent impairment. Pretty low class that he couldn't just pay a divorce settlement to a disabled lady - particularly since he had the money!
Wyatt hunted with Cooper in Africa (settlement money again?) and I could understand Cooper liking him early on but never understood how Jeff was fooled for so long. Boyles lost a lot of credibility with me for standing by him when the behavior was so egregious. That got me started listening (critically) to Boyles, losing more and more respect every time I heard his show. I suppose advertising revenue buys just as much willful blindness from Boyles as any with other media personality.
Wyatt's M. O. is to bring in noobs for his CCW class off KHOW radio ads, and make them feel that their guns are inferior. (Which may well be true, for some.) Then he sells them on an overpriced Gunsmoke custom pistol. That shop must have among the highest margins in the industry.
I strongly disagree with CCW classes that have no range time, and question the ethics of anyone who would "teach" that way. Such a class is fine for an truly experienced shooter, but we've all been around CCW holders who are completely incompetent. It's a minor inconvenience for an experienced shooter to do a bit of basic range time for a permit, but a badly needed wake-up call for the rest of the class. (It's also a great way to sell more training.)
A lot of people take his class and never get that wake-up call. They're walking around unarmed with a deadly weapon. I dated a lady who took that class and had her permit for over a year before we met. (Sure opened her eyes the first time I took her shooting!) Thankfully, she couldn't afford the custom guns he pitched so she wasn't taken on that.
Three suggestions:
1) Google "Rich Wyatt Gunsmoke"
2) Check out the celebrity photo album at gunsmokeguns.com for a taste of his ego. You'll love the shot of his new wife (poor thing!)
3) Get the Rocky article from the archive. If that doesn't satisfy you, go straight to Jeffco court.
ntgtyper
04-22-2010, 23:27
holy hell man good info
mikedubs
04-25-2010, 09:01
I thought I was the only one just slightly appalled at the photos on his celeb pics page...some of the people (GWB for one) look surprised that some jackass jumped in and ruined their perfectly good photo...
Backinblackrifles
04-25-2010, 09:24
What Kinda Guy shows His wife off like that? ( ref. the bike photo ) She is not gonna be around long IMO pore girl.
funkymonkey1111
12-20-2010, 15:11
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=124906
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Oh, more than worth any possible zombie bites...;)
OneGuy67
12-20-2010, 19:14
The only thing that I got out of this was, the CBI really don't know what the hell to do. They don't know how to interpret the FFL form. It's pretty simple really re write the form so that there is a black and white interpretation.
It just goes to show the government can't handle the gun laws they got now. How the hell are they going to enforce any new ones? Thank God![UZI]
Huh? The CBI conducts a background check on the potential transfer. That's it. The form is a FEDERAL form required by the ATF, not a CBI form.
The disconnect is, with very little exception (Gunsmoke being one), all FFL holders run a background prior to selling the firearm; Gunsmoke sells it and then checks prior to transfering ownership. I STRONGLY disagree with how Gunsmoke runs their business and Rich Wyatt has gone cross with Tom Martino four times in the past year that I've listened to the show. After listening to the show, the issue revolves around Rich's belief that the question on Form 4473, 11a, which says "Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?" Rich's complaint about it being a felony if she lied on the 4473 isn't valid either, which he says is a felony, but it is a FEDERAL felony, not a violation of state statute PER SE. One could argue a Fraud charge, but I personally haven't been successful in getting a District Attorney to charge it if it doesn't deal with question 11a. Those who "straw purchase" are in violation of state statute.
Frankly, good business practice would have you run the background check prior to selling the gun in order to stop any potential issues if the background is failed for any reason. Or, immediately refund the money without a question.
Foxtrot, can you take a look at FunkyMonkey1111's account? I have a "New Posts" button when I log in, but I think that he some how has an "Old Posts" button. ;)
Makes me sad to see all those guys sticking up for that guy (Wyatt).
Ok has anyone looked at the gs site lately? 404 errors on almost every link. I just wanted to see the gallery.
Ok has anyone looked at the gs site lately? 404 errors on almost every link. I just wanted to see the gallery.
Here you go.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:cFSOEdhdNOAT-M:http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/S5002378.jpg&t=1
ONLY $999.99 with purchase of CCW class!
wow how cheap! that looks like a wilson combat for only 999.00 GOTTA HAVE IT!!!!
theGinsue
02-11-2011, 00:50
porfiriozg - check your PM's now
legaleagle
03-01-2011, 20:55
No good experiences with Wyatt that I am aware. Have heard too many bad ones. I generally hear the bad ones involving women.
Here is a thought. If Wyatt rang the gun up after selling it to the women and she couldn't pas the CBI check, I wonder if he has just sold a gun to someone who cannot buy one. Assuming the denial was for a felony (again aonly assuming) I wonder if he could be charged with a crime for selling to a felon. Afterall, he is now offering to sell the gun on commission, which presumes the women is the legal owner of the gun despite the fact she apparently cannot own one. -- things that make you go hmmm?????
I remember years ago when he ran for Jeffco sherrif. The errogance was amazing. I once had the pleasure of sitting in his CCW class prior to the shall issue CCW's. Waste of time and bad advice given. One person attending was encouraged to shoot an intruder in the home in the knee cap so you didn't get sued civilly for wrongful death. - (speechless).
sneakerd
03-05-2011, 09:15
Gunsmoke is one store I never go into. Before they moved I had quite a bit of custom pistolsmithing done there- not since.
Pinkerton
03-11-2011, 08:13
Went there once, never again...
Pinkerton OUT!
ldmaster
03-11-2011, 09:10
Two stories, one personal and one anecdotal.
Personal. Two M1 carbines were given to Rich Wyatt in Alma Colorado in trade for two Remington 870 shotguns. The Carbines were collectable and had been given to the town by a government program to distribute surplus weapons to police agencies. The guns were not import marked, they were from USGI stocks. Arguably, at the time, the guns were worth 800 to 1000 apiece, I had seen both of them. Chief tells us that Wyatt took the guns and promised to provide two 870's to the department.
The 870's never showed up, ever. I confronted Wyatt on the issue and he told me to keep my mouth shut or he'd sue me. I said go ahead, and have called him a thief to his face ever since. We are not friends.
I has a very close friend and colleague who's a gun collector as well as a cop. He's the kind of collector that only buys very very pristine S&W and Colt pistols. He'd found an unfired example of a Colt 1911, lightweight commander I believe and sent it to Wyatt at Gunsmoke for some work. This was right after Wyatt had gone in search of some hot man love at Jefferson County Jail, his ex had seized the store and it's contents (there was nothing left) and he'd been forced to move. My friend's Colt disappeared, wasn't seized, it just disappeared.
I've heard other stories that I can't verify about very collectible guns "disappearing" while in the possession of Wyatt. I worked with a man who went to high school with Wyatt and knew the family personally, his opinion of Wyatt was that he's always been someone you shouldn't trust. But this is only opinion.
MY experience proves him to be a braggart, thief, liar and bully - and he's welcome to sue me anytime he likes - nothing I've stated here is any less than the truth, except where noted that it's opinion.
Fondis Firearms
03-11-2011, 13:49
I can't believe this guy is still in business with those kind of business pracitces... Why hasn't the ATF shut him down?
Where is his shop so I don't accidentally shop there?
ldmaster
03-11-2011, 14:53
He doesn't mess with guns SHIPPED to him, this is only conjecture, but if it doesn't show on the books - it doesn't exist. So he wont have issues with compliance. Guns brought in for repair are SUPPOSED to go into the books, but trade ins and the like - nope.
I know one guy who traded his WWII era remington 1911 hand-me-down gun into the old gunsmoke for a "custom" Springfield 1911 - it was simply a loaded package A1 w nitesites. He said his gun was still in the box, but he got talked into doing a trade plus 500 for the Springfield. I told him what his older gun was worth, he came unglued. I also showed him my receipt for 550 for the same SA 1911 (no nitesites) I'd purchased that same year (2006).
I think that as gun nuts we all have this concept that gun owners are universally cool honest people with the same passions and goals, what I've learned is that nothing is farther from the truth. Guns are a BUSINESS that some have capitalized on to make a buck, couple that with the patriotic aspect of 2nd amendment supporters and all you have to do is rant a little about the "gubmint" and people will flock to you. That being said, there are LOTS of truly honest and enthusiatic business owners of gun related businesses - but you have to take your time to decide exactly WHO is worth doing business with. The guy above had walked into Gunsmoke to look into modifying his WWII 1911 to something he could carry, got talked into the "new improved" 1911 by Wyatt (according to him).
BPTactical
03-11-2011, 15:31
By law ALL firearms that a dealer receives in the course of business must be logged as an "acquisition". Gunsmithing,transfer, consignment, trade in or outright purchase doesn't matter, if it is brought in by the business, it must be logged in. If there is a firearm in his inventory that is not logged/documented he is dumber than dirt.
Bet his ATF audit/inspections could be real interesting if he doesn't.
ldmaster is clearly a local gun shop hater. We don't need that kind of attitude here bub.
;)
ldmaster
03-12-2011, 02:03
You like the guy, that's your business - why the personal attack? You and Wyatt are buddies? There is a long list of the people he has taken advantage of.
But since I'm a local gunshop hater - care to name another gun shop that I'm supposed to hate?
I used a winky smiley for a very specific purpose.
Wyatt and Gunsmoke can all line up to kiss my ass.
SamuraiCO
03-12-2011, 13:43
Wow. Was going to go there and check out their shooting instructions. Will keep looking and never step in his shop. What a poor example of someone in the shooting world.
ldmaster
03-12-2011, 21:12
For snapping Irving, SAW the smiley face, but I'm pretty dense and defensive sometimes - I got it, but didn't GET it!?!?!?!
I knew you'd come around. Don't worry about it.
sv44magnum
03-19-2011, 13:04
I went to Gunsmoke’s CCW class and had a grate time. Yesterday I purchased a rifle and had no problems.
I also am going to there pistol class soon and think I will have a grate time.
As far as the keeping the money after being denied, I look at it this way, if they were denied by mistake they can get it fixed. If they were denied because they are a felon, convicted of domestic violence or have a restraining order. Then they are committing a felony by trying to buy a gun and they deserve to loose some money.
I thought Irving was being harsh but every post you've made so far is to champion gunsmoke...
sv44magnum
03-19-2011, 14:45
I give an honest opinion about my experiences with the people I dill with, so far Gunsmoke has been the best shop that I have dealt with. You don’t have to agree with me that’s your right, but there is no need to attack some one just for offering his opinion. But Irving seems to think that if some one is disagreeing with him he can’t be telling the truth
It has nothing to do with truth, and everything to do with you being a shill.
sneakerd
03-20-2011, 08:26
That's a mite harsh- imho. If sv44magnum has had good experiences there, so be it. No reason to get nasty to him or call him names. I had good experiences there in the past as well. BEFORE they moved and he got too big for his britches. I really never dealt with Wyatt anyway, I usually dealt with Dave Clevinger.
scratchy
03-20-2011, 20:10
.....I look at it this way, if they were denied by mistake they can get it fixed. If they were denied because they are a felon, convicted of domestic violence or have a restraining order. Then they are committing a felony by trying to buy a gun and they deserve to loose some money.
It's equally bad for an FFL to sell a gun to a felon. Taking the $$ is tantamount to a sale. When a 4473 clears, "proceed" is the status back. This means proceed with the transaction. Money changes hands at this time, not before. The non return of funds is theft.
sneakerd
03-20-2011, 22:27
One could equally then call me a shill for the Firing Line- as I have had good experiences there overall when many others have not.[BooHoo]
There are worse things to call someone than a shill.
Anyone who is happy with Gunsmoke, is getting robbed and laughed at and doesn't even realize it. Not a person to take advice from either way.
BPTactical
03-21-2011, 05:37
Personally I like their gunsmithing business.
I have made some decent money fixing stuff they have effed up!
[Beer]
There are worse things to call someone than a shill.
Anyone who is happy with Gunsmoke, is getting robbed and laughed at and doesn't even realize it. Not a person to take advice from either way.
Thats just grate...lamo...Sorry had too, the Great thing is that he endorses people getting thier money taken, sounds like he would be the ideal person to do a trade or buy from huh.
Not_A_Llama
03-21-2011, 07:30
Thats just grate...lamo...Sorry had too, the Great thing is that he endorses people getting thier money taken, sounds like he would be the ideal person to do a trade or buy from huh.
That was grating on me.
Thought I was gonna "loose" my mind.
sneakerd
03-21-2011, 07:51
How dare you call me a shill!! I.. I.. I'm confused.[Coffee]
Don't loose your mind over this shill, 10 to 1 he is a employee or a guy that got a discount or somthing and thought GS was the greatest shop since he first went into gander lol.
I know a lot of you go to Dragonman's, but beware of him too. He's exactly the same kind of businessman, probably worse. Especially with Harley customers, take him an engine to work on, you'll see what I mean. Personal experience. Buy range time if you want, but keep a tight grip on the rest of your cash.
sv44magnum
04-09-2011, 12:32
So Did any of you here Tom Martino Last week??? He had a screaming deal for Gunsmoke and Tom said his wife went to Gunsmoke’s CCW Class and said it was great. How about that even Tom Martino likes Gunsmoke…….
Byte Stryke
04-09-2011, 14:05
So Did any of you here Tom Martino Last week??? He had a screaming deal for Gunsmoke and Tom said his wife went to Gunsmoke’s CCW Class and said it was great. How about that even Tom Martino likes Gunsmoke…….
Tom Martino is a fraud a sack of waste and a sellout
Tom Likes anyone that pays Tom enough $$$$$ to say he likes them.
Yeah, everyone on Tom's list pays $5,000 a month to be on that list. Pretty much entirely removes the whole point of the list in the first place.
I used to be a big advocate for Martino, until I found out what a crook he is. So sad.
sv44magnum
04-09-2011, 17:27
Boy was anyone listening to Tom Martino today? There was a lady that bought a pistol from Rich Wyatt (Gunsmoke) then couldn't pass the CBI. Because he has his customers buy the firearm before the CBI is ran. He wouldn't give her the moeny back. He offered to sell the pistol for her for a 20% commission.This went on for about and hour back and fourth. Until him and Tom about went to blows calling each other names, accusing each other of various stuff.
I could see where he had a point. That is how he wants to do buisness. But Man what a "ishy" way of doing buisness. i was honestly thinking of taking his CCW class I hear about on the radio but after this I don't think I'll ever be stepping in his store.
Any thoughts???
Well This hole thread got started with the Tom Martino show. And I checked Tom’s list and Gunsmoke is not on it. That sounds like a free endorsement from Tom “and his Wife”. So I’m confused was this thread started because Tom was right or is he a fraud like you said. I am starting to think none of you are being honest about going there or having any dealings with Gunsmoke.
Uh oh, the shill doesn't think we're honest.
I think the point of putting my bad experiences is to "warn" others. This is not saying everyone will have a bad experience, but if you see a bunch you can decide for yourself whether or not to do business with them.
I've not personally done business with Gunsmoke so I have no experience to share.
But I frequently go to The Firing Line and have had zero issues with them. I've bought from Botach Tactical and nothing but positive experiences.
But I knew with Botach I was taking a chance based on the reviews... Eyes open going in...
sneakerd
04-10-2011, 07:17
Soooo.... according to SVmagnum, the posters on here who are describing ANY experiences at Gunsmoke are lying- i.e. creating their personal experiences out of whole cloth, and some may never even have been there? That's a stretch. Even for a "shill".
colomason
04-21-2011, 17:26
Hi All
IF it walks like a duck quacks like a duck and smells like a duck
then is is most likely a Duck, most people in the know will not go to this store for any reason let alone his so called CCW classes, if it was not for the ill concieved support of peter boyles, Wyatt would not be doing the business he does, Boyles needs to be told that his buddy is full of it but then again so is Boyles.
My brother was planning on purchasing a pistol from Gunsmoke some months ago, and he was in the market for a 1911 (which Gunsmoke claims to be "experts" on). Well he found one and put down a deposit then later found the same pistol at 5280 Armory for $500 less! He went to get his deposit back and they told him it was non-refundable- which they never disclosed when he initially made the deposit. So to rectify the situation he used that $300 credit towards the CCW class. I have not and will not purchase anything from Gunsmoke. I feel they are not the most competitive prices and their service and attitude is less than friendly (criticizing me for being a Glock owner). I only purchase firearms from 5280, Matt and Gina are great and their employees are friendly and knowledgeable- especially since they don't get on you about your choice in firearms, they tell you the strengths and weaknesses and let you decide.
Guys, please don't make true statements about the short comings of vendors. Some of the members of this forum are local vendors. They bring us great deals and allow us great prices on great products locally. I wouldn't want to see any of their feelings hurt, and/or this thread get closed down.
hollohas
07-02-2011, 11:52
I'm going to have to point out that sv44magnum has terrible spelling in EVERY post. Sure, we all do it, but every post Mag? Not a good way to get people to respect your opinion. Just saying... [Stooge]
Did any of you here Tom Martino Last Week?
Well This Hole thread...
...had a grate time.
...I will have a grate time.
...the people I dill with...
On another note, I haven't been to Gunsmoke and I won't based on what has been said here. That dude sounds like a super douche.
I've used this website before and found this on there:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/gun-shops/rich-wyatt-gunsmoke/gunsmoke-owner-rich-wyatt-in-ddafw.htm
long story, but she just had one of the worst experiences... I was gonna do some comparative shopping today and see what Gunsmoke will say or quote for a P229 9mm, not to provoke or anything, just give them an actual fair shot and see if they can meet or beat prices I've seen before (doubtful).
I'm going to have to point out that sv44magnum has terrible spelling in EVERY post. Sure, we all do it, but every post Mag? Not a good way to get people to respect your opinion. Just saying... [Stooge]
On another note, I haven't been to Gunsmoke and I won't based on what has been said here. That dude sounds like a super douche.
Haha
Thats funny why is it that hard to spell or use words in the right way
O sor others understand
That ther is funnie y tis it that hrd 2 spel oar use wordes n the rite way
That was hard to do
UberTong
07-05-2011, 15:56
Hey no making fun of people on here, I was informed its not okay. [ROFL1]
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