Getting priced out of shooting.

[beast556]

Does anybody else feel like there getting price out of the shooting sport? Its getting to the point where I cant aford to shoot any more and is ruining shooting for me. All the new guns are stupid high priced, and ammo is at an all time high. Even wally world has raised there prices to the limit for me, I havent purshased any 223/556 in approx two years. When it comse back in to the 6$-7$ range I will buy again. 9mm is hard to find and when I do it is stupidity high priced. Anybody else feel this way or is just me???

[theGinsue]

Nope; me too. I haven't shot in about a year. Just too expensive.

I've got a .22 handgun I haven't shot yet. It's killing me.

[10mm-man]

When it comes back in to the 6$-7$ range I will buy again.

I would like to see that day, but I doubt it will ever happen. Things will just continue to go up in price! Thing is, the ranges are not empty, guns keep selling, and as long as that is happening; the price isn't coming down.

[spleify]

Nope; me too. I haven't shot in about a year. Just too expensive.

I've got a .22 handgun I haven't shot yet. It's killing me.

A year? Damn that's just not right. If I go two weeks without going the range I start jonsin

[Great-Kazoo]

If I shot the 2-3k weekly I use to, yes. Now I'm limited how often I can shoot, it doesn't play in to it.

[Tinelement]

I can agree with this. It's been well over a year since I have really shot, besides a few quick fun shots camping, or four wheeler trips.

Just keep adding to my pile when I can. I'm not hurting for ammo, but don't really want to try to replace any either.....

[ray1970]

Eh... I get more tweaked when I see a $60,000 pick up truck than I do over a $10 box of ammo.

I do see your point though.

[TAR31]

I try to buy in bulk when I find a good deal, keeps the price per round down to a somewhat reasonable price. Sure wish .22 would become available again, haven't shot any .22 in a year and a half. Like theGinsue I have a M&P 22 pistol that I have only shot once.

[spleify]

Two words for ya..re-load

[Hound]

Two words for ya..re-load

Yup

[Great-Kazoo]

Two words for ya..re-load

. A lot of folks think components are coming back. Myself I doubt it, expect things to become more scarce as doomberg drops serious coin, closer we get to November.

[beast556]

Two words for ya..re-load

Just moved to my new house, when I get my shooting area all secured and locked off from my kids. Im going to be investing in a nice reloading set up, it will be the only way I see to keep shooting. Just have to wait for components and powder to come down in price.

[Irving]

I feel like I'm being priced out of everything really. Same job as last year, but stressing a LOT more each time I pay the bills every two weeks. It doesn't help that I lost $200 a paycheck to health insurance though.

As far as shooting, I haven't just got out and shot 100's of rounds in a day in years and years. However, I just do the monthly IDPA match, which is more productive, and usually only around 90 rounds. It's been a good balance. I haven't bought ammo in several years, but that is because a family friend gave me like 400-500 rounds a few years ago and I've been doing matches off that since then. God bless him.

[Rabid]

I know what your talking about but i have been through it too many times before i almost expect it in all of my interests.
Mt. biking got big and now the cost of a decent bike is in the thousands.
Climbing got big and everything tripled in price.
Backpacking brought on this "ultra lightweight" craze and everything doubled to tripled in price.
Skiing/snowborading/telemarking has easily quadrupled in price for gear and lift ticket so people go back country and gear specific to that has gone up even more.
Fly fishing got big and things quintupled or more in price.
I could list more but the same is true and on top of that gas prices keep going up.

As for your shooting problem start reloading. I think i am about .27 a round with what i have right now for 223rem and only started reloading for that caliber when prices when out of control. Not positive what current prices are but i am sure it is still a savings.

All in all we have more people shooting now so it is a good thing for our community but the new shooters and some of the old are willing to pay these new, high, prices so do not expect the prices to go down. Buy in bulk and buy when you see a good sale.

[King]

Its all about priorities. I skip out on the Starbucks, going to the movie theatre, etc. so I can train. I either save up and buy in bulk or reload what I can.

[ray1970]

You could always get a second job.
[Coffee]

[KestrelBike]

Its all about priorities. I skip out on the Starbucks, going to the movie theatre, etc. so I can train. I either save up and buy in bulk or reload what I can.

Yup, I've always saved (I know this is the hard part) and go "all-in" to buy in bulk (1,000-2,000) when I see a good deal. The past couple years, this has been "surfing" the peaks between media-driven panics.

[rockhound]

Its all about priorities. I skip out on the Starbucks, going to the movie theatre, etc. so I can train. I either save up and buy in bulk or reload what I can.

^^^^^ this is so true

why would anyone go to the movie theatre these days, last time we thought about taking the kids to the theatre $72 to get in the door, no f...ing way, wait for the DVD or PPV on the big screen at home

my $11 can of coffe makes 382 cups... 2.8 cents per cup, why would you spend $5-6 for a cup of coffee?

[Jamnanc]

"11 cents a bullet (based on Wideners Mil-spec 55 gr, 99 bucks per 500)
14 cents in powder (based paying 200 bucks for 8 lbs of powder and using 24 grains per round)
4 cents a primer (based on 1k of CCI purchased at Cabelas)
09 cents for brass (take your pick)"

I dont factor brass at its whole price, you'll use it at least twice and usually get some for free.
Powder charge should be .14 assuming the pound costs $40.

Looks like 38 cents a round. Cheaper than most quality ammo, but you've got time to factor in too.

[MAP]

The cost of ammo and reloading components have gone up significantly. No worse then the price of food.

Mike

[BuffCyclist]

I agree, I got a very nice 22LR rifle that was setup for 100-200yd shooting about October 2012. I couldn't find any match ammo then and then bam, 12/12 happened. I haven't seen 22LR since. Well, I've seen it on armslist for $75/500 or $25/100 (both bulk grade) and it is now my most expensive caliber to shoot, so I don't. So much so, that shooting my new Rem700 is CHEAPER than shooting 22LR (because 22LR isn't replaceable right now).

I did get into reloading this time last year because I couldn't find any pistol ammo. Powder/primers are starting to come back in stock at many places and that really helps. I can reload much cheaper than factory ammo and it allows me to go shooting more often for sure. Granted, my time limits the amount I can go right now, but at least I keep building my surplus cheaper than by buying at walmart.

[buffalobo]

I feel like I'm being priced out of everything really. Same job as last year, but stressing a LOT more each time I pay the bills every two weeks. It doesn't help that I lost $200 a paycheck to health insurance though.

As far as shooting, I haven't just got out and shot 100's of rounds in a day in years and years. However, I just do the monthly IDPA match, which is more productive, and usually only around 90 rounds. It's been a good balance. I haven't bought ammo in several years, but that is because a family friend gave me like 400-500 rounds a few years ago and I've been doing matches off that since then. God bless him.

This^^^^^.

Prices are directly affecting my ability to see to it that the minions (grandkids) grow up with a heritage of shooting and marksmanship.

Lobbed from my electronic ball and chain.

[Bailey Guns]

^^^^^ this is so true

why would anyone go to the movie theatre these days, last time we thought about taking the kids to the theatre $72 to get in the door, no f...ing way, wait for the DVD or PPV on the big screen at home

my $11 can of coffe makes 382 cups... 2.8 cents per cup, why would you spend $5-6 for a cup of coffee?

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

I'm not saying prices haven't climbed...but prices for some guns, like ARs, are the cheapest I can remember in probably 20 years or more. For me it's more about the availability. Decent prices are out there...just harder to find.

I can still find what I consider to be practice/training quality ammo in 5.56 for fairly reasonable prices. Silver Bear 5.56 62gr was recently available for .27 cents per round shipped from Sportsman's Guide. When it's available, Wolf .223/5.56 is still around .25 to .27 cents per round shipped. I'm not a believer that steel-cased ammo is the devil so I buy it whenever I can if it means I can shoot for a reasonable price. I scour the local forums for decent priced ammo, too. Just found a local guy selling WWB 9mm Value Packs (100 rds) for $20. He had 6, I bought them all. Not the best price I've ever seen, but it's the best price I've seen in the last few years.

Yeah...I think it's about priorities. If I didn't want a newer truck I could buy a lot more ammo. If I didn't like to go out for breakfast with the guys once a week, I could buy more ammo.

Prices across the board for almost everything have gone up. They'll continue to creep up, too.

On the other hand, few people here are old enough to remember a time when you could re-fi (or buy) a home for a little over 3%. Why those rates are so low is another story. But, they've allowed many people to buy a nicer home or substantially lower what they're paying every month for the home they have. So maybe there's some balance.

Or maybe I'm just an optimist.

[spleify]

"11 cents a bullet (based on Wideners Mil-spec 55 gr, 99 bucks per 500)
14 cents in powder (based paying 200 bucks for 8 lbs of powder and using 24 grains per round)
4 cents a primer (based on 1k of CCI purchased at Cabelas)
09 cents for brass (take your pick)"

I dont factor brass at its whole price, you'll use it at least twice and usually get some for free.
Powder charge should be .14 assuming the pound costs $40.

Looks like 38 cents a round. Cheaper than most quality ammo, but you've got time to factor in too.

Looks like based off of your prices you would be at .23 cents a round. I dont include brass either as it will be used multiple times and if you are diligent about it you can get quite a bit from the ranges where others dont/wont pick up there own.

Your calculation of powder breaks down like this;

8lb keg-7000 grains per pound X 8 = 56,000 divided by 24=2333 $200 divided by 2333 = .08

Bullet .11
Powder .08
Primer .04
Total .23

[Jamnanc]

Looks like based off of your prices you would be at .23 cents a round. I dont include brass either as it will be used multiple times and if you are diligent about it you can get quite a bit from the ranges where others dont/wont pick up there own.

Your calculation of powder breaks down like this;

8lb keg-7000 grains per pound X 8 = 56,000 divided by 24=2333 $200 divided by 2333 = .08

Bullet .11
Powder .08
Primer .04
Total .23

I was going to lay out the math, but I am on a mobile device. And it's a pain in the ass. Ive used $.23 as my baseline for 55 grain 223, then if you can get both deals and or use cheaper products, You can get the cost down even farther. I have yet to have one failure with Wolf primers. A lot of people say it's not worthwhile to reload 9 mm 40 and 2 to 3, but I would disagree with them. Now that I am working on 308, I assume I'm saving $1 per round, my reloads aren't perfect yet, but my speer 168 hpbt loads at $.60 each shoot tighter groups than nosler custom competition @ $1.5 per round.

[Great-Kazoo]

On the other hand, few people here are old enough to remember a time when you could re-fi (or buy) a home for a little over 3%. Why those rates are so low is another story. But, they've allowed many people to buy a nicer home or substantially lower what they're paying every month for the home they have. So maybe there's some balance.

Or maybe I'm just an optimist.

Some of us remember interest rates @ 15 % [1981] Of course the house was only $25K

[Delfuego]

I have been shooting more than ever. Training for competitions and just trying to improve my long range shooting. 80 rounds of .260 last Saturday at Hoser's match (both morning & afternoon matches) at $2/per pull. Couple hundred 9mm & .556 per trip to Bob's farm. I have shot more this year already than all of last year. This is also not including gas and hotel money for out-of-state matches.

It's your priorities, everything cost money, all hobbies that are worthwhile are expensive. Golf, skiing, biking, fishing, etc all cost thousands if your serious about them. They are still way cheaper than motorcycles, snowmobiles or boats!. Guns are no fun at all sitting in a safe! Get out there and shoot. You will quickly remember if its fun and worth you money or not. Don't worry about how much it cost, or fret over how much ammo you have in reserve. My end-of-the-world reserve is 2 boxes of defensive handgun ammo, everything else I will shoot and replace. My best friend and shooting partner is doing the same thing. He is sitting on X amount of ammo and doesn't want to replace it so he wont go out. Drives me freakin' nuts.

Quit typing, get up, go out and shoot. The doctor prescribed recoil therapy for you. [UZI]Don't be a collector, be a shooter...

[cofi]

Wal-Mart has had tula in stock for 5.50 a box

I've been shooting 1-5 rounds(rifle) a day just to supplement all my dry fire practice (which is free)

[speedysst]

^^^^^ this is so true

why would anyone go to the movie theatre these days, last time we thought about taking the kids to the theatre $72 to get in the door, no f...ing way, wait for the DVD or PPV on the big screen at home

my $11 can of coffe makes 382 cups... 2.8 cents per cup, why would you spend $5-6 for a cup of coffee?

Because sometimes I just have to have a cinnamon dolce latte!! However, I live in Meeker and the nearest Starbucks is Rilfe (43 miles away). Instead I pay $5 for a 750ml of flavored syrup and a bag of espresso and make my own. Its not quite as good but its much cheaper!

[osok-308]

Two words for ya..re-load


This is my plan as soon as I possibly can start.

[DFBrews]

I have plenty of components and .22lr laying around the biggest killer for me is range fees blu core wants 30 something an hour for their rifle range I know I can go to the forest and shoot but again gas and time finding a decent place less than 45 minutes away is tough.

and my days off rarely coincide with normal people so car pooling to the forest is not usually an option

[hatidua]

The single most considerable hurdle for me is proximity to where I shoot. I primarily shoot at CRC and it makes for a 166 mile day (83 out/83 home). If the Boulder Rifle Club didn't have a waiting list that closely resembled the half-life of plutonium, I'd probably go to the range twice a week at a minimum.

[merl]

The single most considerable hurdle for me is proximity to where I shoot. I primarily shoot at CRC and it makes for a 166 mile day (83 out/83 home). If the Boulder Rifle Club didn't have a waiting list that closely resembled the half-life of plutonium, I'd probably go to the range twice a week at a minimum.

ditto

[StagLefty]

I just had an invite to go out to CRC on Friday. Probably the first opportunity to go shoot in 2 years. I thought once I retired I'd be shooting a lot more often. WRONG !!!! due to fixed income and current prices.

[beast556]

Well it good to see that it is not just me. I have no other hobbies and dont drink coffee. Hopefully I can start reloading soon to ease the costs some. I do agree if you live in the ar world there is no better time with all the manafactures of ar's the competition has brought prices down.

[rbeau30]

I have enough to weather [panic] price hikes. What gets me is that I don't shoot as much anymore because I don't know when I will be able to get .22 next.

[Kraven251]

http://gunbot.net is your friend.

[Gravy Sandwich]

Two words for ya..re-load

Two more words for the OP: Dry Fire. Stoeger and Nils maintain world-class pistol skills with 10+ cycles of dry fire for every round of live fire. Both claimed to be shooting a mere 1,000 rounds a month in a recent thread on Doody. Reloading combined with regular dry fire will get you the most bang for your training buck.

[rbeau30]

http://gunbot.net is your friend.

WOAH! It auto-refreshes!

[3beansalad]

Prices are directly affecting my ability to see to it that the minions (grandkids) grow up with a heritage of shooting and marksmanship.

I firmly believe this^^^^ is the intention of the anti's! They can't force gun control through legislation... so they price us out of our rights.

[cfortune]

Actually, 500 bullets for $99 comes to a hair under $.20 a bullet ;)

[HoneyBadger]

Well, food prices have gone up (on average) more than 20% just in 2014 so far:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-26/real-inflation-fear-us-food-prices-are-19-2014
http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveodland/2012/03/15/why-are-food-prices-so-high/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/03/18/food-prices-rising/6557417/


If ammo prices went up by 20% in 3 months, my guns would starve.

[Wulf202]

Airguns get me the most trigger time.

Plenty of dry fire and some airsoft.

[jerrymrc]

I just had an invite to go out to CRC on Friday. Probably the first opportunity to go shoot in 2 years. I thought once I retired I'd be shooting a lot more often. WRONG !!!! due to fixed income and current prices.

I know once I retire that I will shoot more. Yes I will have a fixed income but I buy components here and there but I started stocking up 10 years ago. some things I am a little short on in my mind but I said years ago when Wideners had CCI #35 for $75 a case that they would never go down,only up. Sad I only bought 2.

In my case the run up to retirement has me doing less shooting than we used to because work takes priority and the load has doubled in the last 5 years. I do know that the sacrifice I have made will mean that in 4 years my take-home pay in retirement will be more than now by a bunch since I take home less than 50% of my gross. All about priorities. Just hope I live another 20 to enjoy it. [Flower]

[cap'n cook]

i feel like that every time i go to purchase ammo, reloading supplies, even food. the jobs pay the same as they did 10 years ago when i started working and the prices just keep going up. i started reloading last year and it has really helped me be able to shoot more on the tiny ammo budget that i have. it was a 50% decrease in ammo cost for my .243. i sure hope lead doesn't ever become completely banned. i think we would be seeing some real expensive ammo then.

[20X11]

This is part of the great Liberal conspiracy. Make sure the average man cant afford to shoot, loses interest in 2A rights, confiscate the guns they no longer care about.

[00tec]

1. Get cheap AR
2. Shoot Tula/wolf

Works for me. And I didn't clean the damn thing for ~1500 rounds or so, just gave it the occasional squirt of whatever leftover Mobil 1 or supercharger oil we had laying around.

[trlcavscout]

I pay 6 cents a round for 44mag and I won't pay a penny more! Well maybe a couple pennys more if push comes to shove. I was paying around $170 per thousand for 45, so I don't shoot it anymore.

[PSS]

I bought 1000 pounds of wheel weights off of craigslist for .45$ a pound, promo from Powder Valley for 11$ a pound, 10k Tula primers from Powder Valley for 12$ per K, and 5000 45 acp once fired cases for 45$ per k. right after reloading supplies started coming back after the first Obama scare. I cast my own bullets with a 6 banger mold and load on a Hornady LNL with a bullet feeder. I shoot my 45 as much as I want. Still possible to buy components at slightly higher prices. Just have to keep an eye out for when it's in stock.

When I first started casting a lot of my friends thought I was nuts. Kept telling me about how I was going to ruin my pistol. Now they don't shoot because they don't want to pay the extra cost. I guess they were half right. I'm wearing out my pistol quicker than they are.

Even if you cant or wont reload. Budgeting 100 to 300 a month for ammo should still allow some good shooting to happen. As long as you are employed. The 90s spoiled a lot of us. If you look at ammo prices in the 70s it will surprise you.

[Great-Kazoo]

I bought 1000 pounds of wheel weights off of craigslist for .45$ a pound, promo from Powder Valley for 11$ a pound, 10k Tula primers from Powder Valley for 12$ per K, and 5000 45 acp once fired cases for 45$ per k. right after reloading supplies started coming back after the first Obama scare. I cast my own bullets with a 6 banger mold and load on a Hornady LNL with a bullet feeder. I shoot my 45 as much as I want. Still possible to buy components at slightly higher prices. Just have to keep an eye out for when it's in stock.

When I first started casting a lot of my friends thought I was nuts. Kept telling me about how I was going to ruin my pistol. Now they don't shoot because they don't want to pay the extra cost. I guess they were half right. I'm wearing out my pistol quicker than they are.

Even if you cant or wont reload. Budgeting 100 to 300 a month for ammo should still allow some good shooting to happen. As long as you are employed. The 90s spoiled a lot of us. If you look at ammo prices in the 70s it will surprise you.

I have 2 local sources who hard cast.. Both of them were happy to get some more lead, both said, you need bullets call .

[<MADDOG>]

Well, food prices have gone up (on average) more than 20% just in 2014 so far:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-26/real-inflation-fear-us-food-prices-are-19-2014
http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveodland/2012/03/15/why-are-food-prices-so-high/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/03/18/food-prices-rising/6557417/


If ammo prices went up by 20% in 3 months, my guns would starve.

+1 there HB. At least ammo is slowly crawling back to "normal" (if there is such a thing) prices.

What does irk me is the lack/unavailability of powders; it's still a scalpers market.

[osok-308]

Dryfire practice is how i get in a lot of trigger time myself! unfortunately, it can't train you to handle recoil better.

[MrPrena]

When 40 rounds of 223 were at $6.80, I went to shoot at least twice per month. Now, I would be lucky to shoot three times per year.

[beast556]

When I bought my first ar 20 years ago a case 1000rds of win q3131 was 135$, and federal ae was 2.50$ a box. 762x39mm was 65$ a case. 9mm was 5$ a box, I would go to wally world get a case of 9mm for 107$ out the door and go blaze away the hill side.

[hurley842002]

When I bought my first ar 20 years ago a case 1000rds of win q3131 was 135$, and federal ae was 2.50$ a box. 762x39mm was 65$ a case. 9mm was 5$ a box, I would go to wally world get a case of 9mm for 107$ out the door and go blaze away the hill side.

That's quite depressing. I was shooting 20 years ago, but was also only 10 years old, so I don't remember those prices.

[Mick-Boy]

And what's the deal with the cost of gas! Am I right?

I just got an email from bulkammo.com. 115gr 9mm for $0.31/rd (PMC). 55gr 5.56mm for $0.28/rd (Wolf). The ammo is out there. Save you pennies, buy in bulk and stack it deep when you find it at a good price. If you're trying to stock up in the middle of an election panic (what year is this again?) you're doing it wrong. Shop smart. Train smart. Make what you have count. I doubt we're ever going to see $0.10/rd 9mm again.

[fitz19d]

As far as certain other fads getting expensive, oh man at cabela's today. Stuff that I guessed would be $10 is $80 bucks. (Mini stove things that attach to the bottle, other specialized light weight camping crap, etc.)

Saw fancy underwear for $25 per 1.... maybe it was special since its next to the under armor but me thinks I shouldnt shop too much there.

[crays]

When I bought my first ar 20 years ago a case 1000rds of win q3131 was 135$, and federal ae was 2.50$ a box. 762x39mm was 65$ a case. 9mm was 5$ a box, I would go to wally world get a case of 9mm for 107$ out the door and go blaze away the hill side.

I honestly don't remember 9mm less than about $7/box, but that's what a brick of .22lr cost at the time...from the hardware store, or the gas station.

ETA: That was more like 30yrs ago.

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[Trav]

I honestly don't remember 9mm less than about $7/box, but that's what a brick of .22lr cost at the time...from the hardware store, or the gas station.

ETA: That was more like 30yrs ago.

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Ah yes, I remember growing up the local Holiday gas station (in NoDak) had a fine assortment of ammo. .22 ammo was so commonplace.

Got into reloading recently and bought all the stuff with Christmas gift cards. Enjoying reloading rifle but have yet to find pistol powder anywhere.

[Colorado Osprey]

I honestly don't remember 9mm less than about $7/box, but that's what a brick of .22lr cost at the time...from the hardware store, or the gas station.

ETA: That was more like 30yrs ago.

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Not even 3 years ago Winchester White Box 9mm 100 round bulk pack was under $20 @ Walmart. That's not that far off of $7/box of 50
In the earily 2000's I was buying that 50 round boxes of 9mm and 38 special from Longs Drug Store for $6.50/box
In he same time Win White Box 223 (IMI/Olin NATO marked ammo) $1.59/20 rounds at Colorado Springs Sports-then after Jumbo Sports
South African PMP 5.56/223 was $59/500 rounds at Longs Drug Store as well.

And that was only about 10 years ago!


BTW I still have some 22lr that was marker $0.39 for a box of 50.... and that is the reason I don't buy ammo now at the "stupid" prices.. and until people stop, prices won't come down.

[Ropes4u]

We rarely shoot anything but black powder due to the price of ammo. I have considered selling numerous guns due the lack of affordable ammunition. Sad considering that we used to shoot weekly, and that two of my children shot competitively through high cool.


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[sabot_round]

This thread is doing nothing but providing BDA to the enemy.[dig]

[jerrymrc]

This thread is doing nothing but providing BDA to the enemy.[dig]

One conex insert of 5.56 and 7.62 please. Just send it back as coded out Stryker parts. I will pick it up at DRMO. [Sarcasm2][LOL]

Home soon?

[sabot_round]

One conex insert of 5.56 and 7.62 please. Just send it back as coded out Stryker parts. I will pick it up at DRMO. [Sarcasm2][LOL]

Home soon?

LOL - I wish I could send you some.[Beer]

Sitting under 90!!

[BlasterBob]

We rarely shoot anything but black powder due to the price of ammo. I have considered selling numerous guns due the lack of affordable ammunition. Sad considering that we used to shoot weekly, and that two of my children shot competitively through high cool.
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Black powder is fine but it too is getting rather pricey to buy. I did see a few cans of BP in FFFG grade at the last Pueblo Tanner show with a price of $35 per one pound can. Not that I need any, I wonder if there are many stores actually stocking this powder anymore. Most business have discontinued stocking it due to storage requirements etc. Next thing there will be restrictions on musket caps and flints.

[Ropes4u]

Black powder is fine but it too is getting rather pricey to buy. I did see a few cans of BP in FFFG grade at the last Pueblo Tanner show with a price of $35 per one pound can. Not that I need any, I wonder if there are many stores actually stocking this powder anymore. Most business have discontinued stocking it due to storage requirements etc. Next thing there will be restrictions on musket caps and flints.

That is very true, I have been buying from mail order place in Maine, which is a bit cheaper.

The cost of everything is going up and up with no sight in end. I will never pay 50-60k for a truck and I can afford it.

[Danimal]

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[wctriumph]

I have been buying ammo at the best price I can find, usually at pre-panic prices from guys and gals that are fair minded. If I can't buy it at the price I am willing to pay, I don't buy it. What has kept me from shooting lately is the weather on the weekends as I don't belong to any ranges (can't afford their rates).

If we stop paying these inflated prices, the prices will come down. There is a glut of guns now and prices are coming down, the same will happen with ammo too. I will make one more purchase of ammo: 200 rounds of milsurp .30-06 at $ .61 per round and then I will have enough to shoot my C&R rifles for a couple of years.

[stodg73]

C&S Outdoors in Trinidad has Black Powder for about $27 per pound, 2f & 3f, GOEX powder.

[Colorado Osprey]

Awesome... the Military is going to destroy $1 Billion worth of small arms ammo!
Nobody can tell me these aren't artificially inflated prices by limiting demand and then destroying the Billions the big daddy ordered.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/27/pentagon-ammunition-sen-tom-carper-gao-waste/8145729/

[boomerhc9]

I agre wth PSS. Lead is the way to go. I get all the free wheel weights I want from work, or buy a bucket full at the scrap yard. Last time I calculated it all out not including labor, I was at $8 for 100 9mm rounds.

Titegroup. $20 per pound. 3 grains per case.
$80 for 20 pounds of lead~about 1000 rounds
$40 for 1000 primer
$20 for lube for 3000 bullets
At the time i calculated labor at $10 an hour, because thats what my job payed then

Here i am still shooting lead, lots of it, through a polygonal barrel, and never a problem.
I found out about an old timers trick for cleaning lead out of a barrel, takes 10 seconds.

[BlasterBob]

C&S Outdoors in Trinidad has Black Powder for about $27 per pound, 2f & 3f, GOEX powder.

Well heck, with tax added, the C&S price will be right close to $29 per pound. I am thinking of selling off some of my little supply which consists of 1F and if I do part with it by posting an ad, it will be about $100 for four cans. If no takers, it'll only go up in value.