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patrick0685
04-26-2014, 17:43
Here is the LINK (http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/bloomberg-gun-controlnypdincarceration.html)

Here is the article so you dont have to click if you dont wanna:

During Michael Bloomberg’s three terms as mayor of New York, he loved nothing more than to lord over the nation’s largest city. Now he’s just a normal civilian multibillionaire, sitting right below the prime minister of India on the Forbes list of the world’s most powerful people — a lowly position that is no doubt a source of immense personal disappointment. Short of patrolling New York’s parks in a spandex bodysuit to inflict vigilante justice on cigarette smokers and super-sized Slurpee drinkers, what’s a rich ex-mayor to do?
Luckily for Bloomberg, in American politics, controlling sublime amounts of capital is its own qualification, and lavishing it on pet issues counts as philanthropy. And this time, without an elected office to use for a pulpit, he’s going to need that money: After attacking tobacco and soda, Bloomberg is coming for guns.
In an extensive interview with The (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/bloomberg-plans-a-50-million-challenge-to-the-nra.html?_r=0)New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/bloomberg-plans-a-50-million-challenge-to-the-nra.html?_r=0), the former mayor outlined his plan for a nationwide lobbying effort designed to counteract and overwhelm the National Rifle Association. He certainly has the cash: Despite its notoriety, the NRA spends only about $20 million a year, and relies heavily on the grassroots enthusiasm of its members. Bloomberg, on the other hand, shrugged at the idea of throwing in an experimental $50 million “as if he were describing the tip he left on a restaurant check.”
Bloomberg’s fortune and political strategies figure prominently in the description of his new hobby. But he evinces no passion for the issue unless he’s defending the racist, ineffectual and unpopular police practice of “stop and frisk.” After all, this is the mayor who, after the NYPD accidentally shot nine innocent bystanders while attempting to subdue a single armed man near the Empire State Building, angrily told a reporter (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/28/bloomberg-loses-his-cool-after-reporter-questions-officers-actions-in-shooting-near-empire-state-building/), “If somebody pointed a gun at you and you had a gun in your pocket, what would you do? I think that answers the question.” He sounds more like Charles Bronson than James Brady, so why is Michael Bloomberg America’s most prominent gun control advocate?

Standing armies

If Bloomberg wanted to spend some pocket change to undermine any other constitutional right, liberals would quickly complain about how the nation’s elites use their money to overinfluence policy and consolidate power away from the broader citizenry. The billionaire Koch brothers, who fund numerous conservative and libertarian causes, have become archetypes of this phenomenon, to the benefit of Obama-aligned outrage sites such as Salon and ThinkProgress. But when it comes to the Second Amendment, liberals don’t see a question of freedom or liberty, even when a billionaire tries to buy it away.
What really irks Bloomberg about the right to bear arms isn’t the red herrings we throw around in the gun rights debate, such as hunting or self-defense. Rather, he hates its foundation in popular sovereignty. It’s easy to forget that when the Bill of Rights was being drafted, the founding fathers took for granted that the United States would not field an army during peacetime. With the enumerated rights to association and the press — as well as arms — they attempted to place the tools of 18th century revolution (and thus American sovereignty) permanently in the hands of the enfranchised public. Militias weren’t supposed to be local armies, they were supposed to be the Army. As Rep. Samuel Nasson wrote to Rep. George Thatcher in 1789, “Spare me on the subject of Standing armeys in a time of Peace they allway was first or last the downfall of all free Governments it was by their help Caesar made proud Rome Own a Tyrant and a Traytor for a Master.”


Bloomberg has never had a problem with standing armies; in 2011 he even bragged to an audience at MIT (http://rt.com/usa/bloomberg-nypd-army-york-599/), “I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world.” The NYPD is the largest, best-equipped municipal police force in the country, and its influence extends far beyond American territorial borders. It operates in 11 foreign cities (http://www.ap.org/Content/AP-In-The-News/2012/Document-shows-NYPD-eyed-Shiites-based-on-religion) and runs its own foreign policy and intelligence network. Bloomberg personally boasted that the NYPD has the capacity to shoot down passenger planes (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nypd-shoot-planes-weapon/story?id=14608555). It’s clear from his record that it’s not the “gun” part of “gun control” Bloomberg is interested in.

Whose guns?


There’s no doubt America needs to curb gun use and possession. The question is, whose guns? There are 34,500 members of the NYPD (http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/faq/faq_police.shtml#1), and in 2012 they fatally shot 16 people (http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/nypd_annual_firearms_discharge_report_2012.pdf). That gives Bloomberg’s army a rate of over 46 shooting deaths per 100,000, killing people at a clip that dwarfs any civilian level in the country. To put it in perspective, Chicago — an American city known for gun violence — hit its peak murder rate of 34 per 100,000 in 1992 (http://qrc.depaul.edu/djabon/Articles/ChicagoCrime20030101.htm). American law enforcement is increasingly militarized — as Radley Balko reports in his book “Rise of the Warrior Cop”: “Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield.” And this army takes a lot of prisoners: While gun violence has markedly declined (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg/325px-Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg.png) following heightened crime in the ’90s, incarceration rates haven’t returned to earth (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Incarcerated_Americans_as_a_Percent_of_Population. jpg), nearly (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Incarcerated_Americans_as_a_Percent_of_Population. jpg)quintupling (http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedi a%2Fcommons%2F0%2F09%2FIncarcerated_Americans_as_a _Percent_of_Population.jpg&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGHCk4NPOmJUK0gMjlXvdv7jRoCUw) since the early ’70s (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Incarcerated_Americans_as_a_Percent_of_Population. jpg), making Americans the most imprisoned people in the world.


While Bloomberg is squaring up to spread fears about armed Mormon cattle ranchers gone wild, we should be more worried about guns in the hands of the police. To further his agenda, Bloomberg is counting on the public’s unwillingness to look beyond the flashiest proximate cause of surprise violence, as well as liberal stereotypes about rural Americans who own guns. But the biggest, most violently irresponsible gun owner in the country isn’t some left-wing caricature redneck or a deranged teen plotting a massacre from his basement. It’s the state.


Malcolm Harris is an editor at The New Inquiry and a writer based in Brooklyn.


The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera America's editorial policy.

wctriumph
04-26-2014, 18:01
Interesting read and there is truth in it. I am not shocked as this has been going on since they killed Kennedy.


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merl
04-26-2014, 19:00
Here is the LINK (http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/bloomberg-gun-controlnypdincarceration.html)
The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera America's editorial policy.


Isn't this the truth. The editorial board agrees with him fully. I still read them now & then but avoid anything tagged editorial.

That article comes off too strong though and will only reinforce the view that we're wackos.

KestrelBike
04-28-2014, 07:04
Isn't this the truth. The editorial board agrees with him fully. I still read them now & then but avoid anything tagged editorial.

That article comes off too strong though and will only reinforce the view that we're wackos.

What part do you think comes off as too strong?

merl
04-28-2014, 07:22
There’s no doubt America needs to curb gun use and possession. The question is, whose guns? There are 34,500 members of the NYPD (http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/faq/faq_police.shtml#1), and in 2012 they fatally shot 16 people (http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/nypd_annual_firearms_discharge_report_2012.pdf). That gives Bloomberg’s army a rate of over 46 shooting deaths per 100,000, killing people at a clip that dwarfs any civilian level in the country. To put it in perspective, Chicago — an American city known for gun violence — hit its peak murder rate of 34 per 100,000 in 1992 (http://qrc.depaul.edu/djabon/Articles/ChicagoCrime20030101.htm).

Comparing people killed by police to murder statistics is inappropriate. Calling it Bloombergs army in this way hides that this is a police organization for a city of millions. (yes I know he said it)

KestrelBike
04-28-2014, 07:53
Comparing people killed by police to murder statistics is inappropriate. Calling it Bloombergs army in this way hides that this is a police organization for a city of millions. (yes I know he said it)

I definitely see what you're saying. At the same time, the statistic is a valid way of telling people: wake up, the world's a dangerous place with dangerous people that sometimes need to be stopped with lethal force. Assuming the NYPD doesn't make a mistake (barf) and all of those shoots were necessary and justified, it is evidence to support the need to have the means available to defend one's self when no cops are around. When someone spouts off about "CCW people only want to shoot and kill someone" (aka murder people), this statistic can show that even compared against straight-up murders in Chicago during it's peak, NYPD per capita shoots and kills more people under official & legitimate business. So, clearly there is a need for lethal force, and why should only the police be allowed to defend themselves.

As for "bloomberg's Army", it was the whole point of the article: bloomberg using his enormous wealth and influence to sway public opinion and policy. During his tenure, the NYPD enforced such policies. The article stated that the NYPD is the most heavily armed police agency in the US (but what about DC/capitol police?), so it called into question the hypocrisy of his statements that the NRA are jack-booted thugs armed to the teeth. Very much the "Guns for me [and the NYPD aka my army] but not for thee". bloomberg called it his army, the article's author is just quoting him.

Bailey Guns
04-28-2014, 08:10
That article comes off too strong though and will only reinforce the view that we're wackos.

I think it mostly states just the opposite. The author points out that liberals and their stereotypes of gun owners are generally wrong.


What really irks Bloomberg about the right to bear arms isn’t the red herrings we throw around in the gun rights debate, such as hunting or self-defense. Rather, he hates its foundation in popular sovereignty.

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To further his agenda, Bloomberg is counting on the public’s unwillingness to look beyond the flashiest proximate cause of surprise violence, as well as liberal stereotypes about rural Americans who own guns. But the biggest, most violently irresponsible gun owner in the country isn’t some left-wing caricature redneck or a deranged teen plotting a massacre from his basement. It’s the state.

He doesn't get it all right, but he's spot on regarding Bloomberg and the left.

merl
04-28-2014, 08:39
I definitely see what you're saying. At the same time, the statistic is a valid way of telling people: wake up, the world's a dangerous place with dangerous people that sometimes need to be stopped with lethal force. Assuming the NYPD doesn't make a mistake (barf) and all of those shoots were necessary and justified, it is evidence to support the need to have the means available to defend one's self when no cops are around. When someone spouts off about "CCW people only want to shoot and kill someone" (aka murder people), this statistic can show that even compared against straight-up murders in Chicago during it's peak, NYPD per capita shoots and kills more people under official & legitimate business. So, clearly there is a need for lethal force, and why should only the police be allowed to defend themselves.

As for "bloomberg's Army", it was the whole point of the article: bloomberg using his enormous wealth and influence to sway public opinion and policy. During his tenure, the NYPD enforced such policies. The article stated that the NYPD is the most heavily armed police agency in the US (but what about DC/capitol police?), so it called into question the hypocrisy of his statements that the NRA are jack-booted thugs armed to the teeth. Very much the "Guns for me [and the NYPD aka my army] but not for thee". bloomberg called it his army, the article's author is just quoting him.

If the author had gone down that path with bad guys out there even in relatively safe NY it wouldn't have been as wacky. Instead he went down the path of you have to fear the police because they are being used as a private army. That argument is not going to get much traction on the left unless you start talking about drug prohibition (a unmentioned reason for the high incarceration rates).

There are valid points in the article but they way they are linked together does not work.

sniper7
04-28-2014, 10:09
Now I just wish gloomy-bloomy would read the article and have a brain aneurism and bite the dust...