View Full Version : Some people shouldn't possess firearms!
So here is the story I purchased a pistol from a private individual on GB. Communication is excellent and all the searches make it look like a legitimate deal. I send the USPS MO for the purchase price and shipping the day after winning the auction and the buyer receives it on Wednesday. I explain to him that my FFL is closed on Mondays and would like it shipped Wednesday or Thursday so it's not stuck sitting on the UPS truck, I paid for 2 day shipping so that should've been a problem. Wednesday night rolls around and I haven't received a tracking number, so I sent an email to him. Thursday afternoon I receive a email saying that my MO was investigated by the USPS for counterfeiting but all was OK and he had shipped on Thursday. I tell him thats OK and I waited for the tracking number. It shows up and shows it was sent ground and would be at my FFL on Tuesday.
I send another email and ask him why he shipped ground and not 2 day like I paid for. His response was it was too expensive to get it there by Saturday. I then wonder how he shipped it ground since UPS requires firearms to be sent 2 day. First strike against him, then I think to myself if he shipped it ground he didn't declare it as a firearm so second strike against him. I watch the tracking as it cruises around the country in a way that only UPS understands. It finally shows up today and I get an email from the seller that my FFL had contacted him and told him that the gun was loaded including one in the chamber. WOW STRIKE THREE, FOUR and FIVE. Luckily my FFL vented their anger in a phone call to him and didn't report the incident.
I was able to pick up the pistol and I'm really glad no one was hurt or worse. By the way the pistol was a SA/DA so it could have ended very badly. Off the top of my head the guy committed at least one felony and violated at least three UPS regs besides the fact of beeing a complete dipshit. I haven't left feedback for him yet as there were a couple of small issues with the gun itself and I'm also waiting to see how he handles those issues.
GunsRBadMMMMKay
04-29-2014, 19:30
UPS isn't known for careful handling of unmarked packages, either - some guy could have tossed it onto a conveyor or into a truck and bang. I will throw out a guess that the "seller" wasn't the "shipper"..........
I like stories like this.
They always remind mind me why I prefer to deal with someone face to face and why I don't like to purchase stuff unless I can put my hands on it first.
Sounds des like things could have been worse and at least none of it sounds like your fault.
WOW indeed! Things could have gone very bad. You bring up an interesting point about your FFL finding out there was a round in the chamber, it shows they know one of the first rules of gun safety. Too bad your seller didn't follow the same suit. I'd be pissed about it, full negative on the feedback and go to GB to get him banned from selling. He blew it on too many levels.
Things happen but THIS is too dangerous to ignore, in my opinion.
The seller was the shipper by his own admittance. I usually don't buy off of GB from individuals but when you can save $300 it's hard to pass up.
Dropping the gun shouldn't have been an issue. BUT, we should have your new tagline changed from "High Power Shooter" to "Accomplice." Just to be safe.
Kraven251
04-29-2014, 19:52
On the upside you know that the pistol isn't going to have an impact discharge, not that it should anyways, but it had a decent test.
Dropping the gun shouldn't have been an issue. BUT, we should have your new tagline changed from "High Power Shooter" to "Accomplice." Just to be safe.
How am I an accomplice? Not like I told the guy "Hey since you saved on shipping could you fill the mag and chamber with your favorite hp's so it's ready to go when I pick it up"[Flower]
Can you think of the trouble if the packaging didn't hold up to the UPS monkeys and it opened up and someone pull it out and pointed it at his coworker and pulled the trigger.
Double00
04-29-2014, 20:37
I've seen a box of sex toys open up in the building. Think god no one was hurt!
BPTactical
04-29-2014, 20:46
I've seen a box of sex toys open up in the building. Think god no one was hurt!
The whorer.....
Bailey Guns
04-29-2014, 20:55
I once received a loaded Beretta 92 in the mail once. Had a nice conversation with the seller and made appropriate feedback comments. On the upside, the ammo in the mag and chamber was Black Talon...15 rounds. I turned around and listed it and some knucklehead bid $30 (+ $10 shipping) for it...on GunBroker. The "knucklehead" was the guy who sold me the gun. He said he felt bad about shipping a loaded gun and did what he could to make it right.
Did the FFL at least let you keep the ammo? [LOL]
rockhound
04-29-2014, 21:30
i have a buddy that received a supposedly de-militarized relic via ffl delivery, he did a very stupid thing and pulled the trigger, bang.
no one was hurt, but this thing was supposed to be a paper weight.
Rucker61
04-29-2014, 22:20
The whorer.....
Well played, sir.
Try and get the issues fixed/refuned etc, then nail him to the wall. It's not tattling or being petty when we are talking things with lethal consequences.
How the hell can people be so stupid? I can't even grasp the concept of selling a gun with ammo still in it, let alone SHIPPING it! WTF.....
Two of the guns I purchased from Armslist were loaded. In one case the guy said, "Oh, this was my CCW until this morning and it's still loaded" and in the other case the seller had no idea. Apparently, sellers have occasionally put loaded pistols on the table at Tanner as well, which is even scarier than mailing it because you KNOW some people are probably going to be picking it up and pulling the trigger.
How the hell can people be so stupid? I can't even grasp the concept of selling a gun with ammo still in it, let alone SHIPPING it! WTF.....
jhood001
04-30-2014, 00:46
The whorer.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGTe1vF679U
Well at least nobody got hurt and you got your gun.
osok-308
04-30-2014, 05:41
How am I an accomplice? Not like I told the guy "Hey since you saved on shipping could you fill the mag and chamber with your favorite hp's so it's ready to go when I pick it up"[Flower]
Can you think of the trouble if the packaging didn't hold up to the UPS monkeys and it opened up and someone pull it out and pointed it at his coworker and pulled the trigger.
I bet that's exactly what you did [Coffee] This guy is very lucky that several of the things that could go wrong didn't. He probably misunderstood the first rule of firearm safety to be "treat every gun as if it's UN-loaded and doesn't have the capacity to hurt/kill someone".
spqrzilla
04-30-2014, 06:32
Well, Lurch ... I wouldn't suggest letting that pistol's serial number get run through NCOIC ... jus' sayin'.
Apparently, sellers have occasionally put loaded pistols on the table at Tanner as well, which is even scarier than mailing it because you KNOW some people are probably going to be picking it up and pulling the trigger.
This is who I'm incredibly reluctant to ever go to Tanner... Some of the vendors freak me out, not to mention an even larger portion of the customers are shady as hell. Saw a kid walking out one time with his brand new "gat" (no joke, his words) messing with it in the parking lot on his way to his car. Like Carlin said: "Imagine the average person, half the world is dumber than that."
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Like Carlin said: "Imagine the average person, half the world is dumber than that."
Great quote, Carlin was a great thinker/genius/satirist. I wonder what he would think about the current conditions in the USA?
Sending loaded firearm is dumber than backyard wrestling and street racing combined.
It's his right to own firearms and do with as he pleases. Yes, it was stupid and negligent on a lot of people involved. Stupidity isn't a crime yet (although shipping a loaded firearm is). All these comments are from some of the same people who complain about background checks, mandatory training for CCW, etc... And some of you want the NFA laws repealed so that this could have been an open bolt select fire shipped this way?!? Some of you need to evaluate yourselves before casting stones at others. I'm not pointing fingers but if you feel the shoe fits...lace it up and wear it.
Let the butt hurt replies commence...
I bet that's exactly what you did [Coffee] This guy is very lucky that several of the things that could go wrong didn't. He probably misunderstood the first rule of firearm safety to be "treat every gun as if it's UN-loaded and doesn't have the capacity to hurt/kill someone".
He just misunderstood it to mean: Make sure every gun is loaded, always.
jhood001
04-30-2014, 22:55
It's his right to own firearms and do with as he pleases. Yes, it was stupid and negligent on a lot of people involved. Stupidity isn't a crime yet (although shipping a loaded firearm is). All these comments are from some of the same people who complain about background checks, mandatory training for CCW, etc... And some of you want the NFA laws repealed so that this could have been an open bolt select fire shipped this way?!? Some of you need to evaluate yourselves before casting stones at others. I'm not pointing fingers but if you feel the shoe fits...lace it up and wear it.
Let the butt hurt replies commence...
FAIL.
FAIL.
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, criticizing the actions of another man was left to the females of our species... Those that weren't empowered enough to make their own decisions. Instead, they criticized the actions of their men... Often in closed circles consisting of other un-empowered women-folk.
'Shit talking', 'trash talking', etc was left to the less-empowered women folk.
Somewhere along the line, enough boys heard it going on while they were being raised and they came to the conclusion that it was a method of improving themselves - IE: If I can pass judgement on another man's actions, I can convince others that I would have done different had I had the nuts to have put myself in the same position in the first place.
Fortunately, there is a constant in all of our lives called REALITY, and males of our species that are great enough to call themselves 'men' know what REALITY is. They know that it is something that is constant and occurs all around us as we go through life. They know that they can't hide from it. They know that they can't bend it to their will... They know that GREATNESS isn't something that they can lay claim to when they were in a warm home several thousand miles from the reality that they are passing judgement on.
It use to be that men cast doubt on another's actions when they were there sharing the same reality, and only then did they do it with great caution when the person who's actions they were questioning crossed a consistent and well established line of morality.
Now we're knee deep in bitches.
Don't like what another man did? Change your life, follow that same man's path, embrace all of his hardships, and then put your nuts on the line and try to do it differently... bitches.
Winner, winner! 1st butt hurt of the night!
jhood001
04-30-2014, 23:32
Winner, winner! 1st butt hurt of the night!
No need to reply much beyond this:
Weighing in on someone else's miserable transaction perfectly empowers the words of mine that you chose to quote.
" Just like my Mama always said, Stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump and Forrest Gumps' Mama.
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