Cherry Creek Family Sports Center - No pistol SBR

[68Guy]

Heads up! Not sure how long this has been posted but I went to CCFSC last weekend to sight in my 300 BLK 10.5 rifle at 50 yards and wasn't allowed. Problem is I have it configured with a pistol buffer because I am waiting for my tax stamp to be able to put on a stock and make it an SBR. There is now a sign that states you cannot use a rifle or shotgun with a "pistol only" grip and when I asked, they said it does include pistol buffers. Argh. Just a head up. Good thing I brought my M4 so it wasn't a complete waste of entry fee.

[kwando]

To add to your clarification, Sig braces WITH the pistol tube are ok.

[cstone]

Its been years since I've been there. Do they have separate rifle/pistol sides of the range?

Did they mention a reason why no SBR or AR pistol?

Thanks for the information.

[StagLefty]

I went through the same thing about 2 years ago with them. I had just completed an AR pistol build and called them to see if it was okay and was told that it was posted on the range that they weren't allowed. When I asked why I didn't really get a definitive answer just "they're not allowed"

[mtnrider]

Its been years since I've been there. Do they have separate rifle/pistol sides of the range?

Did they mention a reason why no SBR or AR pistol?

Thanks for the information.


Don't think they said no SBR, just nothing without a stock.

From the web site..

Q: Can I shoot a pistol grip shotgun?
A: Only if it has an attached shoulder stock. The shotgun must be shot from the shoulder.



My guess is they are not comfortable with the lack of control that a pistol grip only shotgun or rifle may be with some shooters?

[kwando]

SBRs are fine, i was there a few weeks ago.

[ChunkyMonkey]

There was misunderstanding when we were there too. They wouldn't allow any ar pistol at first, but molon labe, a worker and member here, clarifies it. They won't allow pistol buffer. Slipped in sig arm brace and it was all good.


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[cstone]

My apology about the confusion on the SBR. Thanks for the clarification. I guess I'm still unclear on the restriction on use of an AR pistol. Do they believe the lack of a stock makes the weapon unsafe?

I see people shoulder pistol ARs especially when they have a wrapped buffer tube/extension. I don't think I will ever understand the BATFE logic on the SIG brace, but that may be a good thing for me. I have seen at least one vendor is selling a longer buffer tube specifically for the brace. It brings the over all length to the same length as a carbine stock extended to the first lock position. Other than the marketing video, I don't know if anyone is actually slipping that thing on their forearm.

[.455_Hunter]

Given the clientele from some of the surrounding areas, I imagine they have had more than a few issues with out-of-control PGO weapons. I suspect a TC Contender in .30-06 would be viewed differently.

[driver]

A little off topic but I once overheard the rso tell someone they couldn't shoot a pistol because it didn't have a trigger guard. I didn't see the pistol in question.

[mtnrider]

A little off topic but I once overheard the rso tell someone they couldn't shoot a pistol because it didn't have a trigger guard. I didn't see the pistol in question.

I would say the RSO was perfectly correct in making that call. If someone dropped that pistol and the trigger hit the ground. It would send a round flying somewhere.

[mtnrider]

My apology about the confusion on the SBR. Thanks for the clarification. I guess I'm still unclear on the restriction on use of an AR pistol. Do they believe the lack of a stock makes the weapon unsafe?
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That is my guess. They want these weapons shouldered for maximum control. I would also bet they have a rule against firing any rifle or shotgun from the hip even if it has a stock.
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[Cofaler]

Given the clientele from some of the surrounding areas, I imagine they have had more than a few issues with out-of-control PGO weapons. I suspect a TC Contender in .30-06 would be viewed differently.

This. I worked as a RSO there for a few years. They do a great job out there IMHO. You have to realize that not everyone that shoots there are 'gun people', and the goal is to provide a safe range for everyone. Once they get to know you and become comfortable with your skill level they will probably loosen up. There are reasons for all the rules they have, and a lot of thought and experience has gone into the way they operate. I spent a lot of weekends there in an orange vest, and trust me, I could tell you some stories....

[Joe_K]

I work at the range as an RSO/ Instructor. I do not make or change any range rules. What I always tell folks who have an issue with a posted rule, (and somehow think im in a position to change the rule in question), is simply if they dont like the rule fine but they still have to follow it. If they would like clarification or reasoning I try to enlighten them with the common sense approach. If that doesnt work I will point them in the direction of management. By law a pistol is a pistol is a pistol. So if we allow a paying customer to shoot his pistol at the 50 yard/100 yard targets then we will spend a decent part of our day sorting out what is and isnt allowed on the rifle side. Management has the ability to allow or dissallow patrons from doing certain things within reason.
Mostly its a safety and liability issue. If the range permits wildly innaccurrate shooting due to negligence, lack of experience and training on the part of the shooter or, a firearm that is simply extremely difficult to aim and hold steady on target, no sights on a rifle (my personal favorite), than its going to be tough to say with a straight face in a court of law we were being as safe as possible. Nothing I say here can be representeded or misinterpreted as anything but my personal opinion.

[cstone]

Thank you for the clarification.

Be safe.

[electronman1729]

Shot my SBR no problems as well at CC. One of the RSO told me once is that people dont know how to control their firearms. Seemed reasonable to me. However I did bring the AR pistol to blucore all the time with no problem. (Before I had tax stamp)

[DenverDave]

I shot my 10.5" pistol with a CAA "cheek rest" there today with no issues on the rifle range. I have seen a guy turned away in the past however... I cant remember exactly what configuration the guy had but it was an AK pistol.