Chipotle says leave your guns at home

[RblDiver]

http://twitchy.com/2014/05/19/under-pressure-chipotle-asks-customers-to-leave-guns-at-home/

I'll admit those OC rallies are somewhat ill-informed, but it's too bad when a company changes their policy from "Comply with local laws" to "Leave 'em at home."

[Rooskibar03]

One more place that won't get my money.

[Great-Kazoo]

You forgot to read the last paragraph.

For what it’s worth, Chipotle’s “gun ban” is actually more of a polite suggestion, and the chain’s statement acknowledges that “there are strong arguments on both sides of this issue” and the “vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens and we appreciate them honoring this request. And we hope that our customers who oppose the carrying of guns in public agree with us that it is the role of elected officials and the legislative process to set policy in this area, not the role of businesses like Chipotle.”

There's a reason why people i know carry CONCEALED.

[DEAGLER]

Still gonna eat there lol.

[SamuraiCO]

Lol all those evil black rifles in one place and no shootings. I just smile and pat my CCW as they serve me.

[hurley842002]

Still gonna eat there lol.

Ditto!

[10mm-man]

I won't be eating there (food sucks, Qdobe better)! However, if those two numbskulls (in the article pic)were in my vicinity; I would be watching my back. That's not saying much though, because wherever I am at, I am always watching. Public ranges make me the most nervous.......

[Gman]

In Texas, they could put up signage that disallows firearms on the premises. Until they do that, they're giving it only lip service.

[killianak9]

One more place that won't get my money.

+1 . See ya

[roberth]

Whatever. Concealed is concealed. Don't mean jack until the metal detectors go up.

[rondog]

So much butthurt at that link from the terrified blissninnies. I support Open Carry and the right to do so, I just don't care to do it myself. But carrying loaded semiauto rifles into a restaurant is a bit much, IMO. Their right to do so? Sure. But I don't see any reason to other than to shock the shit out of people. Can't really see where that helps the cause.

I love their burritos, FWIW, and never had any problem stuffing one down while CCW. Other than the hideous, bloated, over-full feeling I always get. Friggin' awesome with Tabasco Chipotle sauce!

[rockhound]

whatever, unless they plan to frisk me, food sucks anyway

[DenverGP]

There's a reason why people i know carry CONCEALED.

A lot of the antis believe that only hillbilly looking people would ever carry a gun. Even people with no stance probably believe that stereotype. But since they never see "normal" people carrying, they might be inclined to vote for politicians who would limit gun rights.

Seeing more normal looking people openly carrying might help those in the middle understand that it's not just hillbillys and wanna-be rambos who own/carry guns.

I can't think of any other right where the right is only protected if the people practice that right in secret.

That said, I CC most of the time, but as summer gets here and I'm wearing fewer layers, I'll be open carrying occasionally as well.

[wctriumph]

I am not a burrito person so they don't get my money anyway. But, if I am somewhere and i get hungry and there is a burrito place, I will usually look for something else anyway.

It is stupid that they are bowing to pressure from an organization that that manipulates one right ti victimize supporters of the right that allows them to even exist and say what they say.

[Irving]

If I had a public business, and a bunch of people showed up with rifles, for no other reason than to just show up with rifles, I'd make the same decision in a heartbeat. Hey how'd that open carry movement work out for changing peoples minds?

[HBARleatherneck]

If I had a public business, and a bunch of people showed up with rifles, for no other reason than to just show up with rifles, I'd make the same decision in a heartbeat. Hey how'd that open carry movement work out for changing peoples minds?
exactly. they wanted attention and to shock people...well good job. we have had this discussion many times. open carrying your 1911 or other sidearm and NOT TRYING TO BE AN ASSHOLE IS ONE THING. carrying your AR into a business and making it an issue is stupid. Im sure most of you would be mad if a dozen flaming, flamboyantly gay men wearing nothing but leather thongs and dog collars gathered at chipotle while making out. its the same thing. if you do it...you are a dumbass.

the really stupid part is.. its not like these morons open carry their rifles to their jobs, church, and every other store. they just did this to be assholes because mom kicked them out of the basement so she could fumigate and do their laundry. most of them havent probably left moms basement since the last killer video game came out.

[Gman]

Im sure most of you would be mad if a dozen flaming, flamboyantly gay men wearing nothing but leather thongs and dog collars gathered at chipotle while making out. its the same thing.I don't remember reading about that in the Constitution.

[ANADRILL]

Fuck chipolte!

[HBARleatherneck]

I don't remember reading about that in the Constitution.

yeah i dont remember reading in the Constitution that people should be assholes to make a point, but maybe I missed it. you always argue for this and I always think anyone who would do this is an idiot. and I just dont open carry my barrett with 400 rounds of linked 50bmg like some retard.

[sroz]

Those idiots wanted to get attention. Well, they got. Hope their happy with the result. Had I been there I certainly would not gave taken my eyes off them.

[10mm-man]

exactly. they wanted attention and to shock people...well good job. we have had this discussion many times. open carrying your 1911 or other sidearm and NOT TRYING TO BE AN ASSHOLE IS ONE THING. carrying your AR into a business and making it an issue is stupid. Im sure most of you would be mad if a dozen flaming, flamboyantly gay men wearing nothing but leather thongs and dog collars gathered at chipotle while making out. its the same thing. if you do it...you are a dumbass.

the really stupid part is.. its not like these morons open carry their rifles to their jobs, church, and every other store. they just did this to be assholes because mom kicked them out of the basement so she could fumigate and do their laundry. most of them havent probably left moms basement since the last killer video game came out.


Actually I think they do; if I am correct, they do it to protest (not being able to) open carry of pistols in Texas because it's not legal. They are trying to change the laws, to be allowed to open carry a pistol. So they go around, and have open rifle carry at various venues around the state.

[hatidua]

Won't affect my dining or carry habits one little bit.

[ZERO THEORY]

Natural ingredients in delicious, nutrient-dense food from a locally-based company? Sorry liberals, but I'm not leaving that all behind just 'cause you're afraid of my carry pistol. Deal with it.

[sniper7]

I still like them better than qdoba so I'll keep eating there.


although they did piss me off when they stopped giving free drinks with a student ID.

[Danimal]

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[ZERO THEORY]

Im sure most of you would be mad if a dozen flaming, flamboyantly gay men wearing nothing but leather thongs and dog collars gathered at chipotle while making out.


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/116/253/i_have_the_weirdest_boner_right_now_344.jpg

[Irving]

This isn't even a political issue, it is a business one. I support open carry. I don't support dragging a politcal rally through an otherwise uninvolved business. Open carrying rifles through the streets behind women and children would go over about as well.

[KestrelBike]

Chipotle's too expensive, anyways. Those f'ers always surprise upsell you, too. "Oh you asked for a tiny bit of guacamole, that will be $5 more, please".

[Jumpstart]

Over priced over rated and they hire illegal aliens. We don't spend our money there anyway.

[tmckay2]

Chipotle's too expensive, anyways. Those f'ers always surprise upsell you, too. "Oh you asked for a tiny bit of guacamole, that will be $5 more, please".

if by surprised you mean people that can't read the menu and prices. if you ask for something extra and then are shocked by the price its no ones fault but you own. its listed plain as day. its $6.50 for a burrito bowl. not cheap, but hardly expensive. most subway foot longs are $6 and up. most mcdonalds meals are $5.50 and up. two taco bell quesadillas are $6.50. qdoba is about the same as chipotle. all that and chipotle is healthier and cleaner.

im not sure why people always get their panties in a bunch over this stuff. its a business, what do you expect them to do? they have to consider all their customers, including the ones that get very uncomfortable. what is the point really of open carrying? yes, its your right, but so is freedom of speech and freedom of religion, does that mean we don't all use common sense and exercise restraint? if you CAN'T get a CC for whatever reason, then yes open carrying is the next best option. otherwise it just draws attention, from both good and bad guys. it isn't like chipotle came out and said they hate all gun owners and don't want to serve them, they just want to try to avoid bad situations, which apparently people such as the ones in the story are hell bent on achieving.

you want to change people's minds on guns? act like a normal person who knows there is a time and place and uses common sense. when people realize you aren't all about yourself and actually consider others and know there are certain instances you need to refrain from drawing attention, they will realize you are just like everyone else. people don't want to see guns in their faces any more than i want to see gay men grabbing each other in public. when i see it flaunted simply because its their right and they can, it disgusts me and angers me. luckily i have several friends who are gay and aren't like that and it completely changes my perception of their community.

[MrPrena]

LIBTARD Freshmen dropout hippie hipster trenz metro faks.
YO YO YO YO YO YO! This is Chipotle loverz yo! where all the hipster libtard goes yo!
I am going to demand action against Chipoltle and have them copy Starbucks and Howard Scultz and do the same shit yo!
This is the new hip trend pplz!


Gold digging Jersey Shore B'Yatch watching cool soccer mom on X3/5 , Q5, ML series SUV who lives in suburb and worship MAObama
UMMMM.... TOTALLY!
When I was living in Orange County or Near North Hollywood, they never let them do that , ya know??? Ummmm, no way!~~~~
Chipotle in 3rd and LaCiegnega in LA~~~they don't do that...... ~Guns are bad!~~ totally~~~~~!!
Why can't they follow example of Ventura, OC, OR LA~~~~


Dear corporate PR idiots for any corporations. Please follow the $$$, not the libtard hip hop metro fak trends.
ETA: There are lots of substitutes like Qdoba, Baja Fresh, and etc,.... Heck, I will even drive to a damn Boulder to eat Illegal Pete's w/ pistol.

[Zundfolge]

I'm not going to boycott Chipotle ... yet ... if they did basically the same thing that Jack-In-The-Box did (which is shut up the annoying antis with their half-ass request that folk don't scare the sheeple on their property) then I'm find with it ... i don't blame them for not wanting to deal with the libtard jackaninnies and making nice with them without actually doing anything just to shut them up is sound business.

That said, if they put up "no ccw" signs I'll walk in long enough to tell the manager to eat a dick and then leave without dropping any money.


Oh and for you sick people that think Qdoba is better ... 1) No the food is not and 2) I bet they're run by the same type of liberals as Chipotle so eventually the antis will get around to them too.


Oh, but Chiptole will get a big old FU boycott from me if they raise the price of guacamole because of "Global Warming" ... fuck that noise.

[balyon885]

you want to change people's minds on guns? act like a normal person who knows there is a time and place and uses common sense. when people realize you aren't all about yourself and actually consider others and know there are certain instances you need to refrain from drawing attention, they will realize you are just like everyone else. people don't want to see guns in their faces any more than i want to see gay men grabbing each other in public. when i see it flaunted simply because its their right and they can, it disgusts me and angers me. luckily i have several friends who are gay and aren't like that and it completely changes my perception of their community.

Well said. I hate when someone else's views are forced down my throat. Why expect different from an anti-gunner, or anyone on the opposite side of whatever aisle as you?

Just because you can open carry doesn't mean you need to find the biggest baddest gun/rifle, sling it over your shoulder and run around town then get mad when you get a reaction like this.




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[KestrelBike]

if by surprised you mean people that can't read the menu and prices. if you ask for something extra and then are shocked by the price its no ones fault but you own. its listed plain as day. its $6.50 for a burrito bowl. not cheap, but hardly expensive. most subway foot longs are $6 and up. most mcdonalds meals are $5.50 and up. two taco bell quesadillas are $6.50. qdoba is about the same as chipotle. all that and chipotle is healthier and cleaner.


listen, I'm at a burrito joint and I'm just trying to get in and out with some damned food, while some prick who has an encyclopedic knowledge of the menu is breathing down my neck because I'm not ordering shit fast enough (did I mention it's a stupid burrito place and I don't give a shit?) to notice that when the chick behind the counter asks "hey you want a little quacamole with that?" I don't take the time to pin-point the guacamole on the wall-wide menu and notice that it's $4.95 extra.

[Zundfolge]

I don't take the time to pin-point the guacamole on the wall-wide menu and notice that it's $4.95 extra.

Its not $5 its only a buck or two ... and every time I've ever asked for Guac at Chipotle at over a dozen Chipotles across several states and the span of almost two decades, they have ALWAYS said "guacamole is extra" before putting it on my burrito ... that would be a good time for you to ask how much it is.

[Irving]

We don't need to beat up on Kestrelbike about the guacamole, even though there isn't a restaurant on the entire planet that doesn't charge more for it.

Kestrel, I also hate when an employee asks me, "Hey, did you want _____ with your meal as well?" without telling me that it costs more in the same breath.

[MrPrena]

We don't need to beat up on Kestrelbike about the guacamole, even though there isn't a restaurant on the entire planet that doesn't charge more for it.

Kestrel, I also hate when an employe asks me, "Hey, did you want _____ with your meal as well?" without telling me that it costs more in the same breath.

"Would you like to Super Size it? <---no more at McDonald.

[ZERO THEORY]

Chicken burrito w/ black beans, brown rice, light Pico, lettuce, and cheese: $6.85
-850 kc
-28g fat
-90g carbs
-58g protien


http://www.miscupload.com/upload/565078748273269262575578.jpg

[Irving]

Holy crap, 90 grams of carbs? Does most of that come from the tortilla or the beans?

[TheWeeze]

Holy crap, 90 grams of carbs? Does most of that come from the tortilla or the beans?

Rice, tortilla, and beans all have roughly the same amount of carbs in them. ~30g each if I remember the calculator on their site correctly. Give or take a few.

[Aloha_Shooter]

listen, I'm at a burrito joint and I'm just trying to get in and out with some damned food, while some prick who has an encyclopedic knowledge of the menu is breathing down my neck because I'm not ordering shit fast enough (did I mention it's a stupid burrito place and I don't give a shit?) to notice that when the chick behind the counter asks "hey you want a little quacamole with that?" I don't take the time to pin-point the guacamole on the wall-wide menu and notice that it's $4.95 extra.

So you don't bother reading the menu but you're going to bitch about an extra charge for something that is clearly indicated as a premium add-on? That's right up there with these knuckleheads insisting on their rights by open carrying in a way they KNOW will provoke a reaction or the homosexual "rights activists" who costume up as eccentric half-naked nuns or priests "because they can".

This is America -- people have the right to be stupid but they don't have the right to shove their stupidity in my face.

[KAPA]

These assholes bringing rifles into Chipotle and other places piss me off about as much as Bloomberg's minions. If you OC a pistol for defense reasons then ok bring it in and eat, but if your sole reason for bringing a firearm on someone else's property is to prove a point, take pictures and publicize it, you have overstepped your bounds there. Yeah you may have the right in public walking down the street, but just because you have the right, there is a lot of responsibility that comes with that right.

I hope these morons figure out that this does not help and this is the last of this kind of crap. Other than a gun store, no business is going to welcome a bunch of untrained looking fat guys in cargo shorts toting rifles onto their property and I think that is proven now.

What we really need here in Colorado is the Constitutional Carry law to get passed.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Wow, those tweets and bookface messages. [facepalm]

[buffalobo]

Won't affect my dining or carry habits one little bit.


Over priced over rated and they hire illegal aliens. We don't spend our money there anyway.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

[Gman]

If you OC a pistol for defense reasons then ok bring it in and eat...
They can't OC a handgun in TX.

[HoneyBadger]

I can't think of any other right where the right is only protected if the people practice that right in secret.
Religion? Speech?

In any case, concealed means concealed, but companies that openly oppose what we stand for should not get our business. If we all stopped buying things from ANY business or person that donated money to democrats in the past 4 years, democrats would have a lot less funding. The real genius is the guy who runs Whole Foods: the guy is a strong conservative that donates strongly to conservative candidates and speaks out occasionally in defense of 1st and 2nd amendments, but gets the strong majority of his monetary power from hippies and other liberals. Genius. Convince them to give you their money, and then use it against them! This is exactly the sort of thing that we need to pay attention to. Money talks.

/soapbox

ETA:

and I open carry. just not my barrett with 400 rounds of linked 50bmg like some retard.
That would be quite a hassle to open carry around town... What does that setup weigh? [LOL]

[speedysst]

Why? Sorry to burst your bubble but there are people that are uncomfortable with groups of idiots showing up to eat a burrito carrying an AR-15 or SKS. As a business, if the majority of customers are uncomfortable with it, then they will disallow the open carry in their restaurants. Though some people don't give a damn how uncomfortable other people are around guns, Chipotle evidently does.
Fuck chipolte!

[Dave]

Last I knew a .50 bmg round and link weighed about 4 ounces or 1/4 pound so you'd be looking at 100 pounds or so just in ammo to carry.

I know they were trying to make a political statement about TX allowing OC of rifles, but banning OC of pistols. However, there are better ways of doing that. What they should have done is reserve a gazebo and picnic area at a park and had a big BBQ (no booze) to show that gun owners are regular people who enjoy being outdoors and spending time with friends and family. Showing up unannounced to a place of business not owned by anyone in your protest group is going to make people uncomfortable. Some of these liberals have been trained since they were toddlers to fear guns, especially the big bad assault ghost rifles with .30 caliber clips and the people that own them. You have to ease them into being around you and the guns and educate them to our logical reasons for owning them. Most of us don't want to be Rambo, 99% of us put our CCW on and hope the next time it comes off is when we are putting it away again. I approve of their message, but their delivery of it was terrible.

[Big E3]

I still have a problem with how Chipotle handled this. If they don't want people open to carry in their restaurant, fine with me, put up a sign that addresses that problem "No open carry or long guns permitted". But when they made a decision to prohibit concealed as well and only allow LEO carry then they have now kowtowed to the anti gun types and I will support a boycott. It is the principal of completely giving in to anti 2A girls that offends me, they continue to chip away and we don't make a stand. Just because those idiots do something as stupid as open carrying AK's and we agree, so that makes it OK for us to agree with there complete gun ban decision. It was an over reaction on Chipotle's part that I won't condone. And yes I love their burritos, but no more for me.

[hatidua]

the chain’s statement acknowledges that “there are strong arguments on both sides of this issue” and the “vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens and we appreciate them honoring this request. And we hope that our customers who oppose the carrying of guns in public agree with us that it is the role of elected officials and the legislative process to set policy in this area, not the role of businesses like Chipotle.”

Seems fair enough to me.

[Zundfolge]

I still have a problem with how Chipotle handled this. If they don't want people open to carry in their restaurant, fine with me, put up a sign that addresses that problem "No open carry or long guns permitted". But when they made a decision to prohibit concealed as well and only allow LEO carry then they have now kowtowed to the anti gun types and I will support a boycott. It is the principal of completely giving in to anti 2A girls that offends me, they continue to chip away and we don't make a stand. Just because those idiots do something as stupid as open carrying AK's and we agree, so that makes it OK for us to agree with there complete gun ban decision. It was an over reaction on Chipotle's part that I won't condone. And yes I love their burritos, but no more for me.

I guess that's the $64 question ... did they outright ban CCW or just conspicuous open carry (especially of long guns)? The statement from someone at Chipotle I saw (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/05/19/chipotle-dont-bring-guns-in-our-stores/)was unclear.



“The issue of gun ownership or gun rights has become one of the most contentious debates in the country. Chipotle has never taken a position on this issue, as we focus instead on our mission to change the way people think about and eat fast food.
Recently participants from an “open carry” demonstration in Texas brought guns (including military-style assault rifles) into one of our restaurants, causing many of our customers anxiety and discomfort. Because of this, we are respectfully asking that customers not bring guns into our restaurants, unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.
Historically, we felt it enough to simply comply with local laws regarding the open or concealed carrying of firearms, because we believe that it is not fair to put our team members in the uncomfortable position of asking that customers refrain from bringing guns into our restaurants. However, because the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers, we think it is time to make this request.
We acknowledge that there are strong arguments on both sides of this issue. We have seen those differing positions expressed in the wake of this event in Texas, where pro-gun customers have contacted us to applaud our support of the Second Amendment, and anti-gun customers have expressed concern over the visible display of military-style assault rifles in restaurants where families are eating. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens and we appreciate them honoring this request. And we hope that our customers who oppose the carrying of guns in public agree with us that it is the role of elected officials and the legislative process to set policy in this area, not the role of businesses like Chipotle.
We always welcome the exchange of ideas and opinions: it is one of the many things that make our country such a special place. But this issue is not central to the operation of our business, and we do not feel that our restaurants should be used as a platform for either side of the debate.”



I don't see any sort of press release on their Investor Relations page. http://ir.chipotle.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=194775&p=irol-news

[MarkCO]

I saw the story on the news last night, and read the response. I have NO PROBLEM at all with Chipotle's response. We live in an anti-gun litigious society. If they did not respond like they did, and a person felt "threatened" by an open carry gun, then they open themselves to a lawsuit from a patron or employee. Businesses have restrictions on them, especially to employees. If you think that an employee who felt intimidated would not have grounds to sue, you have other issues to deal with first. I say they did the best they could having been dealt a bad card. Had Chipotle yesterday!

If those two idiots had any tact, they would not have done what they did. Also, I see nowhere that they have stated CC is not allowed in their stores. A smart person lets it lie folks!

[TheWeeze]

I don't see the problem with Chipotle's reaction. They had a situation come up in which some of their customers felt they were not safe, or as they put it caused 'anxiety and discomfort.' So they responded. They're asking people not to cause trouble. I can respect that.

[cfortune]

Hmmm. Got a call this morning to interview at Chipolte (their corporate HQ, not making burritos lol). This will probably influence my decision a bit.

[UrbanWolf]

Those open carriers look Operator as fuck....

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg

[HoneyBadger]

Those open carriers look Operator as fuck....

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg

[facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm]

Honestly, if I was at a fast food joint and these two clowns walked in, I'd leave in the quietest manner possible, whether I was armed or not.

[StagLefty]

[facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm]

Honestly, if I was at a fast food joint and these two clowns walked in, I'd leave in the quietest manner possible, whether I was armed or not.

They certainly don't represent the majority of gun owners I know-including probably most members here !!!

[TheWeeze]

Those open carriers look Operator as fuck....

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg

As far as I'm concerned the dude on the right is brandishing his firearm, not carrying it. If I didn't know any better he'd be causing me 'anxiety and discomfort' as well carrying like that around people. I don't know if it's loaded, why is his finger so fucking close to the trigger? Why is he wearing sunglasses inside? Are we in danger?

[HoneyBadger]

They certainly don't represent the majority of gun owners I know-including probably most members here !!!
Obviously, hence the problem.



As far as I'm concerned the dude on the right is brandishing his firearm, not carrying it. If I didn't know any better he'd be causing me 'anxiety and discomfort' as well carrying like that around people. I don't know if it's loaded, why is his finger so fucking close to the trigger? Why is he wearing sunglasses inside? Are we in danger?
Agreed. As I said above, I would have quietly evacuated the building upon seeing these idiots. [facepalm]

[Jer]

A lot of the antis believe that only hillbilly looking people would ever carry a gun. Even people with no stance probably believe that stereotype. But since they never see "normal" people carrying, they might be inclined to vote for politicians who would limit gun rights.

Seeing more normal looking people openly carrying might help those in the middle understand that it's not just hillbillys and wanna-be rambos who own/carry guns.

I can't think of any other right where the right is only protected if the people practice that right in secret.

That said, I CC most of the time, but as summer gets here and I'm wearing fewer layers, I'll be open carrying occasionally as well.

No matter what you say or how often you do this.... a place of business packed with people of various 'types' with AR15's slung will never be normal. Ever.

Thankfully.

Have you ever been a foreign country where the military/police are prevalent and all carry long guns in-hand? How easy does that make you feel? I don't want to live in a country where this is normal and commonplace. Be careful what you wish for. That same battle can be 'won' by simply getting more people involved and applying for CCW permits. This idea that we have to swing our dicks in their faces to force them to conceded through shock is hurting more than it's helping.

The whole Chipotle thing is actually a REACTION to a large group of people who showed up to 'show support' for a pro2A business by slinging up AR15's and AK47's... I can't blame Chipotle to be honest with you. You may be comfortable with it but not all of their customers are and if it were a large group of gay males making out in their restaurant simply because they stated they weren't anti-gay... how would you react? I know a lot of people are going to belly ache about how it's nowhere near the same because one is constitutionally protected but it doesn't affect the reaction regardless of the protection. Your reaction is the same as someone ignorant to firearms. Hell, I'm not even ignorant to firearms and when I'm in Mexico and a military group of soldiers 5 across and 30 or so deep marches by with MP5's in hand or a pick-up truck with 10 Federalis w/M4's in hand pulls up... I get uneasy. We live in a society that isn't yet numb to that and I for one don't want to speed up that likely process towards comfort among militarization. You want to fight the cause? Get a CCW permit and help someone else get one who's 'pro gun' yet doesn't have a permit or the foggiest idea how to go about it.

I know people want to do good but moves like this to shock people aren't doing us good their harming our cause more than anything.

[Jer]

To summarize the above: We don't have to blindly support EVERY person who is pro2A regardless of their methodology because it gives our logical approaches less credibility. Idiots are idiots regardless of their political and social beliefs.

[Great-Kazoo]

Hmmm. Got a call this morning to interview at Chipolte (their corporate HQ, not making burritos lol). This will probably influence my decision a bit.

If that's how you base a job offer, you might as well file for unemployment, now.

Especially since they suggested taking up the gun issue with your local politician.


Chipotle’s “gun ban” is actually more of a polite suggestion, and the chain’s statement acknowledges that “there are strong arguments on both sides of this issue” and the “vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens and we appreciate them honoring this request. And we hope that our customers who oppose the carrying of guns in public agree with us that it is the role of elected officials and the legislative process to set policy in this area, not the role of businesses like Chipotle.”

[275RLTW]

1) Chipotle's response was tactful and appropriate
2) IF (I hate using the word "if") those 2 pictured are the ones who caused this ordeal, they probably would have been met with resistance by any LEO just how they were "carrying" their weapons. In an age where active shooter incidents are becoming more prevalent and in varied venues, their actions could easily been articulated as being threatening or menacing.
3) I find it ironic that those who have never had to carry a rifle every day try so much to do so, not knowing that is NOT the environment we want in this country. We don't have to carry them on a daily basis here, and just because we legally can doesn't mean we should.
4) Common sense is getting more and more rare...practice it!

[jhood001]

1) Chipotle's response was tactful and appropriate
2) IF (I hate using the word "if") those 2 pictured are the ones who caused this ordeal, they probably would have been met with resistance by any LEO just how they were "carrying" their weapons. In an age where active shooter incidents are becoming more SENSATIONALIZED and in varied venues, their actions could easily been articulated as being threatening or menacing.
3) I find it ironic that those who have never had to carry a rifle every day try so much to do so, not knowing that is NOT the environment we want in this country. We don't have to carry them on a daily basis here, and just because we legally can doesn't mean we should.
4) Common sense is getting more and more rare...practice it!

FIFY



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2014/01/14/crime-study-no-increase-in-mass-shootings-no-epidemic-n1778891



Are mass shootings really on the rise in America? Will an increased focus on mental health help prevent mass murders? Would expanded background checks really make a difference? The answer to all of these questions, according to author and Northeastern University criminology professor James Alan Fox, is no.

[kidicarus13]

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg

DUH FUUUQ?!? I was raised pro-gun, own a few firearms, and consider myself an avid shooter. Without the benefit of knowing the whole story I would say this picture was taken moments before the San Ysidro McDonald's mass shooting occurred. I would have been on the phone with 9-1-1 as I ducked and ran for the nearest exit. For all I know Big Hoss is wearing a TNT vest strapped and ready to blow.

[KAPA]

I'm betting these two are cashing a check today from Bloomberg's $50mm pile of cash.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Those open carriers look Operator as fuck....

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg

JEEZUS...that dude on the right is doing the equivalent to walking around with your pistol in your hand. That's brandishing if I've ever seen it. Honestly if I'm Chipotle HQ and I see this picture I'm saying no more guns in my stores either.

[clublights]

JEEZUS...that dude on the right is doing the equivalent to walking around with your pistol in your hand. That's brandishing if I've ever seen it. Honestly if I'm Chipotle HQ and I see this picture I'm saying no more guns in my stores either.


Oh come on ...


You really think he was walking around holding his SKS in his hands like that or maybe just maybe he POSING FOR A PICTURE?


jesus .

[Zundfolge]

Here's a simplified breakdown of what has been done to Chipotle, Jack-In-The Box and Starbucks.



Anti gun pressure group suggests the business go "No Guns".
Business doesn't want to take a side in the fight because they know they have customers on both sides and they just want to sell ______. So they ignore anti-gun pressure group (usually with a statement about "we follow the local laws where our stores are").
Anti-gun pressure group says "No, you don't get it, you go 100% No Guns or we'll boycott, picket, shame and pester you.
Business realizes this will cost them money too so they try to cave half way ... just enough to get the pressure group to go away but not enough to appear to be taking sides in the fight.
Solution appears to both sides as a 100% endorsement of one side over the other.


It really is a no-win situation but its also a sign of something troubling building in our culture (something that throughout history has almost always lead to civil war). "Tolerance" is no longer enough, now too many people are demanding that there must be 100% endorsement of their positions or "you're my mortal enemy."

The left is also learning that they can force us to go hide in a box if they just attack some business we use, force them to "compromise", and even if the "compromise" doesn't really change things they know that WE will boycott these businesses which only isolates us even more.

[Jer]

Oh come on ...


You really think he was walking around holding his SKS in his hands like that or maybe just maybe he POSING FOR A PICTURE?


jesus .
Does it matter? Would you draw your handgun for a picture in a public place like that? Hell, I get nervous about taking my rifles to my garage or the back yard where people can see them since I live on the edge of town but still in town and to see this idiot, rifle in hand, at a Chipotle should make you cringe as a pro-2A supporter.

[Jer]

Here's a simplified breakdown of what has been done to Chipotle, Jack-In-The Box and Starbucks.



Anti gun pressure group suggests the business go "No Guns".
Business doesn't want to take a side in the fight because they know they have customers on both sides and they just want to sell ______. So they ignore anti-gun pressure group (usually with a statement about "we follow the local laws where our stores are").
Anti-gun pressure group says "No, you don't get it, you go 100% No Guns or we'll boycott, picket, shame and pester you.
Business realizes this will cost them money too so they try to cave half way ... just enough to get the pressure group to go away but not enough to appear to be taking sides in the fight.
Solution appears to both sides as a 100% endorsement of one side over the other.


It really is a no-win situation but its also a sign of something troubling building in our culture (something that throughout history has almost always lead to civil war). "Tolerance" is no longer enough, now too many people are demanding that there must be 100% endorsement of their positions or "you're my mortal enemy."

The left is also learning that they can force us to go hide in a box if they just attack some business we use, force them to "compromise", and even if the "compromise" doesn't really change things they know that WE will boycott these businesses which only isolates us even more.
Except this time it was idiots from 'our side' who forced their hand.

[Ranger353]

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg

These two are fucking idiots. They have no legitimate reason to be carrying rifles in that manner in a restaurant, unless they are trying to impress people. They are too stupid to understand that they are probably scaring the shit out of most of the other customers for no reason other than they "legally can" but there is a larger moral obligation not to be a dumb-ass when you are armed. Why couldn't they leave them locked in the car trunk?

[MrPrena]

Since 2005, I have never seen any companies who were successful after going against gun owner. Gun owner has $$$$$$ to spend.

Ebay(ebay)- After banning the majority of firearm parts , they were suffering. They loosen that policy and now eBay is doing good.
Dicks(Dks)- Dick's got hit -18% today because weak golf and HUNTING sales. Didn't they drop modern sporting rifles 2yrs ago???
Groupon(grpn)- hahahaaha Do i need to explain more?
Chipotle(CMG)- we shall see.... I am strongly betting against them. Even before this, I might like to food there, but I didn't like the company valuation anyways.

[Zundfolge]

Except this time it was idiots from 'our side' who forced their hand.

The "idiots from our side" were an isolated incident that would never have been seen in Chipotle headquarters if it wasn't for the organized pressure campaign of Bloomberg's Mommy Brigade sending them thousands of copies of that photo of the two goobers above.

[Jer]

Since 2005, I have never seen any companies who were successful after going against gun owner. Gun owner has $$$$$$ to spend.

Ebay(ebay)- After banning the majority of firearm parts , they were suffering. They loosen that policy and now eBay is doing good.
Dicks(Dks)- Dick's got hit -18% today because weak golf and HUNTING sales. Didn't they drop modern sporting rifles 2yrs ago???
Groupon(grpn)- hahahaaha Do i need to explain more?
Chipotle(CMG)- we shall see.... I am strongly betting against them. Even before this, I might like to food there, but I didn't like the company valuation anyways.

There's holes even in your list of 'newly pro-gun' businesses and the list of 'newly anti' is substantially longer and growing daily due to stupid tactics like this unfortunately.

What do you think the take-away is for those who don't know firearms who happened to be Chipotle when these clowns walked in? I bet the jump on the anti-gun bandwagon post haste so they don't have to be terrified 'legally' next time they just want a burrito.

[Jer]

The "idiots from our side" were an isolated incident that would never have been seen in Chipotle headquarters if it wasn't for the organized pressure campaign of Bloomberg's Mommy Brigade sending them thousands of copies of that photo of the two goobers above.
Keep trying to blame this on Bloomberg but that dog don't hunt in this situation. We're all still responsible for our own actions and there is NO action where this reaction is acceptable short of a civil war.

[Bailey Guns]

I probably wouldn't let those two assholes into my gunstore (if I had one) like that, much less my restaurant. Douchebags....plain and simple.

[Jer]

I probably wouldn't let those two assholes into my gunstore (if I had one) like that, much less my restaurant. Douchebags....plain and simple.
Excellent point.

[Ranger353]

I probably wouldn't let those two assholes into my gunstore (if I had one) like that, much less my restaurant. Douchebags....plain and simple.

+1 It makes me angry because I have spent a lot of time over the years trying to prove to people that gun owners are mostly level-headed common sense citizens that don't do stupid shit; and with one gigantic step into a pile of shit these two funktards send all of us back 10 years in our discussions.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Oh come on ...

You really think he was walking around holding his SKS in his hands like that or maybe just maybe he POSING FOR A PICTURE?

jesus .

Ok...how about we do a little experiment...how about you go out somewhere in town where OC is legal and pull out your pistol to pose for a picture inside an establishment. You think that isn't brandishing? Try telling that to the gaggle of officers drawn on you.

[MrPrena]

There's holes even in your list of 'newly pro-gun' businesses and the list of 'newly anti' is substantially longer and growing daily due to stupid tactics like this unfortunately.

What do you think the take-away is for those who don't know firearms who happened to be Chipotle when these clowns walked in? I bet the jump on the anti-gun bandwagon post haste so they don't have to be terrified 'legally' next time they just want a burrito.


Those lists are not a pro-gun. They are anti or at least slowly leaning against it.

[Jer]

Those lists are not a pro-gun. They are anti or at least slowly leaning against it.

I understand but your post the way it was worded made it seem like they were pressured into being less anti-gun and I assure you they're not.

[Ronin13]

I guess I'll weigh in since I went through the academy with a guy who managed a Chipotle in Lakewood (and had some pretty jacked up 2A opinions for a future LEO) and believed that carrying of guns into Chipotle was not a good idea... Is it legal to OC where OC is allowed? Sure. Is it always a good idea? No. You won't ever catch my OCing my AR or AK into a restaurant to eat, and you especially won't see me snapping a picture in said restaurant with said rifle. These two did this as a form of "protest." Guess what? That protest isn't winning anyone over... You have to think that maybe Tommy Lee Jones was right in MiB when he said "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." 9 times out of 10 when you encounter a person open carrying (not just rifles, but pistols too) and there is a dumb, panicky person around who is afraid of guns, you're going to get a 911 call. Now what did the protest accomplish? Certainly didn't help the 2A image with that frightened person who's not used to seeing guns except on police. So again, why do it? Is the statement you're trying to make really that important? Important enough to risk being hassled or questioned by the police? I'm all for 2A rights, but there is a right way and a wrong way to exercise and make statements about it. Being all tacticool and going into a Chipotle with your SKS and trying look cool is probably not the right way, IMHO. Besides, from the picture, the two look more like attention seekers than protesters.

[RonMexico]

Chicken burrito w/ black beans, brown rice, light Pico, lettuce, and cheese: $6.85
-850 kc
-28g fat
-90g carbs
-58g protien


http://www.miscupload.com/upload/565078748273269262575578.jpg
Your kcal don't add up.

[tmckay2]

listen, I'm at a burrito joint and I'm just trying to get in and out with some damned food, while some prick who has an encyclopedic knowledge of the menu is breathing down my neck because I'm not ordering shit fast enough (did I mention it's a stupid burrito place and I don't give a shit?) to notice that when the chick behind the counter asks "hey you want a little quacamole with that?" I don't take the time to pin-point the guacamole on the wall-wide menu and notice that it's $4.95 extra.

what? chipotle has THE simplest menu on the planet. its something they specifically do. there are literally five lines on each screen, and about 5 screens. it even has guac under the EXTRAS screen where it clearly states 1.95. it isn't like mcdonalds where everything is in tiny letters and all over the place. good lord you remind me of the teenage girls who come in for their birth control and complain because the auto fill system didn't tell them to fill it so they didn't for 2 weeks. do you need your hand held to do everything? shit if you can't order what you want at chipotle you must have a panic attack anywhere else.

[tmckay2]

well said. i spent many years in academia and in health care. whats more is i lived in illinois most my life and all my in laws are canadian. as such, many of my friends and relatives are anti gun or should i say gun ignorant, including my wife. its real simple. you act like a normal human being who has common sense and you explain rationally why you support the 2a and what you believe the 2a to mean, and whaddya know the vast majority of my friends and relatives are completely on board. you act like these clowns or run around screaming our rights are getting taken away so hurry up and open carry everywhere and you will lose any ground the rest of us common sensical people have gained.

brandishing your "rights" in peoples' faces is going to piss them off. the majority of americans aren't anti gun, they are gun ignorant and gun afraid, mostly from never holding, shooting, or learning about one. the vast majority of people simply need to be educated by a calm, reasonable person.


I guess I'll weigh in since I went through the academy with a guy who managed a Chipotle in Lakewood (and had some pretty jacked up 2A opinions for a future LEO) and believed that carrying of guns into Chipotle was not a good idea... Is it legal to OC where OC is allowed? Sure. Is it always a good idea? No. You won't ever catch my OCing my AR or AK into a restaurant to eat, and you especially won't see me snapping a picture in said restaurant with said rifle. These two did this as a form of "protest." Guess what? That protest isn't winning anyone over... You have to think that maybe Tommy Lee Jones was right in MiB when he said "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." 9 times out of 10 when you encounter a person open carrying (not just rifles, but pistols too) and there is a dumb, panicky person around who is afraid of guns, you're going to get a 911 call. Now what did the protest accomplish? Certainly didn't help the 2A image with that frightened person who's not used to seeing guns except on police. So again, why do it? Is the statement you're trying to make really that important? Important enough to risk being hassled or questioned by the police? I'm all for 2A rights, but there is a right way and a wrong way to exercise and make statements about it. Being all tacticool and going into a Chipotle with your SKS and trying look cool is probably not the right way, IMHO. Besides, from the picture, the two look more like attention seekers than protesters.

[Ranger353]

what? chipotle has THE simplest menu on the planet. its something they specifically do. there are literally five lines on each screen, and about 5 screens. it even has guac under the EXTRAS screen where it clearly states 1.95. it isn't like mcdonalds where everything is in tiny letters and all over the place. good lord you remind me of the teenage girls who come in for their birth control and complain because the auto fill system didn't tell them to fill it so they didn't for 2 weeks. do you need your hand held to do everything? shit if you can't order what you want at chipotle you must have a panic attack anywhere else.
LOL! It's like my wife. She drives me insane when we go to McDonald's. She has been there thousands of times, she should know the menu. Big Mac, QuarterPounder, Fillet-o-Fish, Cheese Burgers, fries?

WTF?! Why does she have to stare at the menu in disbelief? What has changed since the last time we were there? It's not like they now have a triple Big Mac, or a double fish sandwich? Just please figure out what you want before you get into the line and spend the next 10 minutes asking for extra secret sauce on the Big Mac. I have warned her that when you do that those idiots in the back are really going to give you extra secret sauce, the kind you don't want. She never listens to me.

[tmckay2]

I still have a problem with how Chipotle handled this. If they don't want people open to carry in their restaurant, fine with me, put up a sign that addresses that problem "No open carry or long guns permitted". But when they made a decision to prohibit concealed as well and only allow LEO carry then they have now kowtowed to the anti gun types and I will support a boycott. It is the principal of completely giving in to anti 2A girls that offends me, they continue to chip away and we don't make a stand. Just because those idiots do something as stupid as open carrying AK's and we agree, so that makes it OK for us to agree with there complete gun ban decision. It was an over reaction on Chipotle's part that I won't condone. And yes I love their burritos, but no more for me.

did you read their statement? its about as open minded and fair as you can expect from a business.

[cfortune]

If that's how you base a job offer, you might as well file for unemployment, now.




Uhm. Or I could ignore a cold call and keep my job where I'm happily employed. Thanks for the input though.


Sent from my 831C using Tapatalk

[tmckay2]

Oh come on ...


You really think he was walking around holding his SKS in his hands like that or maybe just maybe he POSING FOR A PICTURE?



who the hell poses for a picture in public while carrying for one thing. second, who decides thats a good time to hold the weapon at ready?


jesus .

[MarkCO]

brandishing your "rights" in peoples' faces is going to piss them off. the majority of americans aren't anti gun, they are gun ignorant and gun afraid, mostly from never holding, shooting, or learning about one. the vast majority of people simply need to be educated by a calm, reasonable person.

Agree, and it matters not what those "rights" are. I won't ever force my choices on someone else. I hunt, and I enjoy it as do my sons. If someone asks me about my boys, and I want to tell them about them hunting, I will ask how they feel about hunting, or guns, and if they give any indication they do not like it, I won't stay on that topic. In fact I broke up with a girl I really liked because she was anti-hunting...incompatible, but when I realized she was close minded about it, I moved on and got a better one. I would expect that same courtesy when the topic is about sexual orientation, marriage, abortion, or any other topic which may be controversial but afforded "federal protection"...but we don't get that luxury in most cases. I have friends who are "marriage ignorant" but I should not force them to get married either.

If people are willing to learn and listen, yes, we should teach and educate. However, we should also respect other people's wishes and not force our viewpoints onto others. That is something a large part of our country has never learned. I guess being elected tells you that now you can enforce your will on others, but that was not what the founding fathers envisioned.

[newracer]

Some people have the theory that these two idiots are not really pro-gun.

[hatidua]

Some people have the theory that these two idiots are not really pro-gun.

I've been reading very similar thoughts on other forums.

[Ronin13]

well said. i spent many years in academia and in health care. whats more is i lived in illinois most my life and all my in laws are canadian. as such, many of my friends and relatives are anti gun or should i say gun ignorant, including my wife. its real simple. you act like a normal human being who has common sense and you explain rationally why you support the 2a and what you believe the 2a to mean, and whaddya know the vast majority of my friends and relatives are completely on board. you act like these clowns or run around screaming our rights are getting taken away so hurry up and open carry everywhere and you will lose any ground the rest of us common sensical people have gained.

brandishing your "rights" in peoples' faces is going to piss them off. the majority of americans aren't anti gun, they are gun ignorant and gun afraid, mostly from never holding, shooting, or learning about one. the vast majority of people simply need to be educated by a calm, reasonable person.
Oh my god, I know exactly what you mean! My GF isn't anti-gun, she actually now loves shooting, but she grew up in a gun-free family and on top of that, FL, where you have 3-day waiting periods and gun permits and what not. It's not so much that she's afraid, she just has limited exposure. I thought that was a rarity growing up because everyone I knew grew up here in the mountains shooting guns and being taught firearms safety from a very young age. As I grow older, I found that we were the rare ones, and most people aren't exposed to guns outside of TV/Movies and the Police. That's where people start to freak out when they see guns in the hands of the guy at your local bowling alley, it's not that they're against it, it's just that they aren't used to it, and have very limited exposure. I'm sure my GF still thinks it's odd for a "normal" (I'm assuming I'm at least somewhat normal [Coffee]) person to strap on a Sig 9mm on his hip every day, but that's just the way I am. [Beer]

[tmckay2]

Some people have the theory that these two idiots are not really pro-gun.

false. the head of the organization was interviewed by dan caplis today and confirmed they are members.

[Jer]

If there's a popular theory gaining ground in the community that these are actually ANTI-gun people posing as gun people to hurt our cause... that should tell you all you need to know about how much they're helping our cause.

[hollohas]

My opinion...

-Those guys were within their rights.
-We should NOT have to exercise our constitutional rights in secret due to the fear of causing a scene.
-Those guys knew what was going to happen, and what happened was bad press, so for that reason it was dumb.
-How come when someone does something legal with guns that makes 2 people uncomfortable do large corporations INSIST on making national headline comments like this? I'd say it's because they are antigun to begin with and needed an excuse. Those companies should deal with it locally and leave it alone. There is absolutely ZERO need for a national comment from the corporate headquarters. Cipotle made this a big deal, not those dim guys carrying rifles in a fast food joint.

[hollohas]

Im sure most of you would be mad if a dozen flaming, flamboyantly gay men wearing nothing but leather thongs and dog collars gathered at chipotle while making out. its the same thing. if you do it...you are a dumbass.

Agreed. However, do you think Chipotle would have made a national request asking those guys to leave the gayness at home? I think not.

[hollohas]

did you read their statement? its about as open minded and fair as you can expect from a business.

An open minded statement would have been to say something along the lines of "we support the constitution but to maintain a comfortable and safe environment for ALL of our customers, please carry concealed in our restaurants if you desire to exercise your rights."

But instead they said no guns except LEO. That by no means is fair or open-minded. That is 100% catering to the anti's.

But still, I maintain they had absolutly NO reason to make this a national and public announcement.

Someone mentioned that they wouldn't allow these two jack asses in their gun store like that. I agree. Most gun store post a sign that says no loaded firearms in the store except CCW. That is an appropriate and fair policy if you don't want assholes brandishing rifles in your store.

All that said these two guys are dumb as they get. Nobody did anything right with this one.

[MrPrena]

If there's a popular theory gaining ground in the community that these are actually ANTI-gun people posing as gun people to hurt our cause... that should tell you all you need to know about how much they're helping our cause.

I really dislike Posers.

[Zundfolge]

If there's a popular theory gaining ground in the community that these are actually ANTI-gun people posing as gun people to hurt our cause... that should tell you all you need to know about how much they're helping our cause.

I don't think I've ever agreed with a Jer post as much as I agree with this one.

[ZERO THEORY]

Those open carriers look Operator as fuck....

[IMG]http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg[IMG]

Not gonna lie, I can't blame them. The majority of open carry "advocates" are idiots who shoot MAYBE four times a year, with their decked-out Cheaper than Dirt surplus guns and $500 ARs. They don't actually know anything about American history or have the intelligence to debate or convince anyone on our rights; rather, they see an opportunity to annoy/impress/gain the attention of strangers by strolling around with a rifle in public.

If a twice-convicted, drug-fueled felon runs into that facility with a .38 and demands wallets and cash from the drawer, would you trust these two 19 year old limpdicks to do anything about it? Even if they had the stones to take aim at the guy, would you trust them to neutralize him without putting innocent lives at risk in the crossfire/backdrop?

[Ridge]

If there's a popular theory gaining ground in the community that these are actually ANTI-gun people posing as gun people to hurt our cause... that should tell you all you need to know about how much they're helping our cause.

I don't believe that, simply because there are plenty of fucking selfish idiots who would do that to feel better about themselves in the gun community.

[Ridge]

Agreed. However, do you think Chipotle would have made a national request asking those guys to leave the gayness at home? I think not.

Another chain did that not too long ago, and I seem to recall them seeing a large burst of sales due to people agreeing with them.

[Zundfolge]

Putz with "tactical" SKS is an asshole named Flakoo Delcampo (at least online).

http://imgur.com/a/7X1Wu

[kidicarus13]

The majority of open carry "advocates" are idiots who shoot MAYBE four times a year, with their decked-out Cheaper than Dirt surplus guns and $500 ARs.

Conjecture

[rondog]

Putz with "tactical" SKS is an asshole named Flakoo Delcampo (at least online).

http://imgur.com/a/7X1Wu

Awesome. What a man. He strikes me as one of the reasons so many of us CCW.

[Great-Kazoo]

I don't believe that, simply because there are plenty of fucking selfish idiots who would do that to feel better about themselves in the gun community.


Putz with "tactical" SKS is an asshole named Flakoo Delcampo (at least online).

http://imgur.com/a/7X1Wu


An open minded statement would have been to say something along the lines of "we support the constitution but to maintain a comfortable and safe environment for ALL of our customers, please carry concealed in our restaurants if you desire to exercise your rights."

But instead they said no guns except LEO. That by no means is fair or open-minded. That is 100% catering to the anti's.

But still, I maintain they had absolutly NO reason to make this a national and public announcement.

Someone mentioned that they wouldn't allow these two jack asses in their gun store like that. I agree. Most gun store post a sign that says no loaded firearms in the store except CCW. That is an appropriate and fair policy if you don't want assholes brandishing rifles in your store.

All that said these two guys are dumb as they get. Nobody did anything right with this one.

If you read the entire story, along with not 1 but 2 post of mine highlighting their position. You would realize they choose to take a neutral stance. Not LE ONLY

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

qdoba has nachoes..................

[275RLTW]

If you read the entire story, along with not 1 but 2 post of mine highlighting their position. You would realize they choose to take a neutral stance. Not LE ONLY

What?!? Read the ENTIRE story before being an internet tough guy?!? We can't do that!!! That sounds too much like work or using common sense...

[ZERO THEORY]

Conjecture

You're right. But it annoys me that so often, the ones who take time to do these demonstrations, make the YouTube videos, and get pictures snapped in public fit that mold.


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6679/photo63n.jpg

[Great-Kazoo]

What?!? Read the ENTIRE story before being an internet tough guy?!? We can't do that!!! That sounds too much like work or using common sense...

Common sense left the building, with Elvis. It's easier to misquote and BANG OUTRAGE ON A KEYBOARD, for 3 pages than actually read how the head office is playing it neutral.


Our house is gun free, except for the owners ;)

[Bailey Guns]

I've never eaten at Chipotle. Personally, I think they handled this situation as best they could considering it's a business that caters to a wide cross-section of the population. This will have no bearing on whether or not I ever take my business there.

I'm once again astounded at the number of people who scream for their "rights" and "freedom" to do as they choose out of one side of their mouth while screaming condemnations towards a private business entity out of the other side of their mouth for exercising those same freedoms to operate their business in the manner they see as appropriate.

It's one thing to say, "I don't like their politics but that's their choice...so my choice is to take my $$ elsewhere", and it's another to condemn them for some imagined infringement on a "right" or "freedom" when no such thing exists in this context.

[Zundfolge]

Keep in mind that Chipotle is run by hard core leftists (although their primary focus seems to be environmentalism/Gaia worship) so the fact that they didn't embrace Bloomies Bitches 110% and ban even Republicans and NRA members from their stores is actually a sign that they're trying to be neutral here.

[Great-Kazoo]

Keep in mind that Chipotle is run by hard core leftists (although their primary focus seems to be environmentalism/Gaia worship) so the fact that they didn't embrace Bloomies Bitches 110% and ban even Republicans and NRA members from their stores is actually a sign that they're trying to be neutral here.

Now lets see how many more say they'll never eat there again, again.

[Dave_L]

I really wish business's would just leave politics/social issues out of their stores.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/chipotles-gay-pride-ad-sure-to-anger-conservatives-so-is-its-new-stance-against-guns/politics/2014/05/20/87710

[Colorado_Outback]

What!? Chipotle hates guns!?

RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE!!!!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hx2IgO2amho/T68xTM6oPjI/AAAAAAAACEw/eU_NYFKDtB8/s1600/SPmob.gif

[Jer]

I really wish business's would just leave politics/social issues out of their stores.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/chipotles-gay-pride-ad-sure-to-anger-conservatives-so-is-its-new-stance-against-guns/politics/2014/05/20/87710

Everyone says that when their stance is in direct conflict with their own stance. It seems as though this feeling fades a bit when it aligns with their own.

[hurley842002]

Keep in mind that Chipotle is run by hard core leftists (although their primary focus seems to be environmentalism/Gaia worship) so the fact that they didn't embrace Bloomies Bitches 110% and ban even Republicans and NRA members from their stores is actually a sign that they're trying to be neutral here.

This was my thought exactly, could have been a lot worse considering how left leaning the founder of Chipotle is. I actually see it as a sign that these large businesses see the scale of the 2a movement, and see it as a threat to business by outright standing against 2a supporters.

[Ranger353]

Regardless of all this discussion, I love the place and because of all the discussion, will probably eat there this weekend, packing concealed of course.

[10mm-man]

Anyone want to meet for lunch today????























































At Chipotle! [Coffee]

[hollohas]

If you read the entire story, along with not 1 but 2 post of mine highlighting their position. You would realize they choose to take a neutral stance. Not LE ONLY

What?!? Read the ENTIRE story before being an internet tough guy?!? We can't do that!!! That sounds too much like work or using common sense...

Common sense left the building, with Elvis. It's easier to misquote and BANG OUTRAGE ON A KEYBOARD, for 3 pages than actually read how the head office is playing it neutral.



Apparently, unlike the two of you, I actually read more than ONLY the link in the OP. I did a bit more research to find the entire story and inform myself which the two of you just proved you actually didn't do even though you choose to call me out on it. I underlined the part of the statement that the two of you failed to comprehend because YOU didn't read the entire story. They officially said no guns except LE. How about you two practice what you preach next time.

Coloccw - spouting off about internet tough guys and common sense? How's your foot taste?

Kazoo - I didn't misquote anything. I actually did the work to find the entire statement from the head office. Something you missed. Tell me more about this "common sense"...

Here (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/05/19/chipotle-dont-bring-guns-in-our-stores/) is their OFFICIAL statement.


CBS 11 News contacted Chipotle and company Communications Director/Spokesman Chris Arnold sent the following statement -
“The issue of gun ownership or gun rights has become one of the most contentious debates in the country. Chipotle has never taken a position on this issue, as we focus instead on our mission to change the way people think about and eat fast food.
Recently participants from an “open carry” demonstration in Texas brought guns (including military-style assault rifles) into one of our restaurants, causing many of our customers anxiety and discomfort. Because of this, we are respectfully asking that customers not bring guns into our restaurants, unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.
Historically, we felt it enough to simply comply with local laws regarding the open or concealed carrying of firearms, because we believe that it is not fair to put our team members in the uncomfortable position of asking that customers refrain from bringing guns into our restaurants. However, because the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers, we think it is time to make this request.
We acknowledge that there are strong arguments on both sides of this issue. We have seen those differing positions expressed in the wake of this event in Texas, where pro-gun customers have contacted us to applaud our support of the Second Amendment, and anti-gun customers have expressed concern over the visible display of military-style assault rifles in restaurants where families are eating. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens and we appreciate them honoring this request. And we hope that our customers who oppose the carrying of guns in public agree with us that it is the role of elected officials and the legislative process to set policy in this area, not the role of businesses like Chipotle.
We always welcome the exchange of ideas and opinions: it is one of the many things that make our country such a special place. But this issue is not central to the operation of our business, and we do not feel that our restaurants should be used as a platform for either side of the debate.”

[Ranger353]

They can ask all they want, unless they post a sign specifically prohibiting it then it isn't enforceable. I doubt they are going to install metal detectors at all their locations in Colorado either to prevent concealed carry.

[hollohas]

They can ask all they want, unless they post a sign specifically prohibiting it then it isn't enforceable. I doubt they are going to install metal detectors at all their locations in Colorado either to prevent concealed carry.

Exactly.

However my guess is they don't even post signs anytime in the near future. I get the feeling their statement was only to appease the anti's. But why? They came out and made an unnecessary, over-reactive(sp?) public statement over a stupid situation caused by two dumb asses poking a stick into the anti beehive. It simply didn't require a public comment. If they were truly neutral the only comment they needed to make is the very last sentence of their statement...the part saying that they don't want their restaurants being a platform for this debate.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Key phrase there is "respectfully asking". They didn't say "stay away". I would probably have phrased their public announcement a little different so as not to give too much to the Mother Morons but remember they were provoked into saying something by a couple of yahoos who BRANDISHED their weapons in the store and posted pictures of it. There were extremist idiots on both sides of this and the company was caught in the middle.

[Ah Pook]

Sounds like Chipote got dealt a $hiat burrito. They are stuck between crazy harpy moms and crazy gun nuts.

I am all for 2A rights but if those guys walked into a restaurant I was eating at, I'd be heading for the door. They have the right to carry but it doesn't look like they have the common sense to.


Recently participants from an "open carry" demonstration in Texas brought guns (including military-style assault rifles) into one of our restaurants, causing many of our customers anxiety and discomfort. Because of this, we are respectfully asking that customers not bring guns into our restaurants, unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.
Looks like this was thrust upon Chipotle. No bans. No emotional response. No grandstanding.

If someone walked into my shop carrying a long gun, I would ask them to remove it.


Historically, we felt it enough to simply comply with local laws regarding the open or concealed carrying of firearms, because we believe that it is not fair to put our team members in the uncomfortable position of asking that customers refrain from bringing guns into our restaurants. However, because the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers, we think it is time to make this request.
I don't see this as being an an unrealistic assumption for a business. This is a reasonable business dealing with an unreasonable situation. Not your right to carry but their right to do business in a comfortable environment.

MDAGSA will get more mileage out of this and OCT will come off looking like a bunch of knuckle dragging gun nuts.

[TheWeeze]

because the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers

This sentence right here is the only reason they even released a statement. Those assholes went into a Dallas Chipotle to make a scene, and made a lot of unsuspecting people uncomfortable. In order to show that they are sensitive to their customer's who didn't like what happened, they had to say something, while trying to no piss off every gun owner in America. If you're getting up in a fuss about this, then I'm sure Chipotle would be more than fine watching you walk into a Qdoba while the other 99% of their customers come back again and again and again.

[Irving]

Guns at Chiptole were never an issue, until someone went and made it an issue. Now it is an issue.

Fair assessment?

[Jer]

Guns at Chiptole were never an issue, until someone went and made it an issue. Now it is an issue.

Fair assessment?

/thread

[MrPrena]

Call me cheap, but I went to Fazoli's today for lunch with entire family. It my my kid's K Graduations, and I know she loves Fazoli's bread sticks.
Instead of getting 2 burritos at Chipotle, and share it between 3, I ordered two $5 lunch special and shared it between 3 (2 adult, 1 kid). Unlimited bread stick really helped.
Service was better than Olive Garden , but food wasn't as par. They came to our table three times to ask we are doing okay, and bread stick refill. They did all that without a single penny of tip.

I will just go to a place that has a great service for a minimal amount of money spent.

Oh yeah, I was carrying CCWatFazoli as well.

[Zundfolge]

Call me cheap, but I went to Fazoli's today for lunch with entire family.

Ugh ... Fazoli's ... might as well go to Walmart and pick up some Michelina's frozen meals (http://www.michelinas.com/) for .88. There's cheap and then there's CHEAP.


At any rate, I guarantee you that if any of us CCW into any Chipotle in the state we'll not be noticed, let alone asked to leave (and I'd put the probability that someone open carrying a handgun on their belt being hassled at less then 10%)

[MrPrena]

Ugh ... Fazoli's ... might as well go to Walmart and pick up some Michelina's frozen meals (http://www.michelinas.com/) for .88. There's cheap and then there's CHEAP.


At any rate, I guarantee you that if any of us CCW into any Chipotle in the state we'll not be noticed, let alone asked to leave (and I'd put the probability that someone open carrying a handgun on their belt being hassled at less then 10%)


I will try that froze meal.

Only reason we like Fazoli is the bread sticks. My [bottom 2% under weight] kid loves it.

[Grant H.]

Who gives a damn...

Stupid gun owners, yes there are some of them, have caused yet another ambivalent company to become another anti-gun company...

Oh well, Chipotle sucks in comparison to Qdoba.

[Irving]

Ugh ... Fazoli's ... might as well go to Walmart and pick up some Michelina's frozen meals (http://www.michelinas.com/) for .88. There's cheap and then there's CHEAP.


At any rate, I guarantee you that if any of us CCW into any Chipotle in the state we'll not be noticed, let alone asked to leave (and I'd put the probability that someone open carrying a handgun on their belt being hassled at less then 10%)

The one and only time that I open carried was at a Chipotle in Thornton. An employee saw and told his friend the off-duty cop who came and talked to me about it.

[Great-Kazoo]

Ugh ... Fazoli's ... might as well go to Walmart and pick up some Michelina's frozen meals (http://www.michelinas.com/) for .88. There's cheap and then there's CHEAP.


At any rate, I guarantee you that if any of us CCW into any Chipotle in the state we'll not be noticed, let alone asked to leave (and I'd put the probability that someone open carrying a handgun on their belt being hassled at less then 10%)

The one and only time that I open carried was at a Chipotle in Thornton. An employee saw and told his friend the off-duty cop who came and talked to me about it.

You get his number?

[Irving]

Nah, it was just some cop that was nearly as young as I was. He didn't hassle me or leave me with a bad taste or anything.

[275RLTW]

Apparently, unlike the two of you, I actually read more than ONLY the link in the OP. I did a bit more research to find the entire story and inform myself which the two of you just proved you actually didn't do even though you choose to call me out on it. I underlined the part of the statement that the two of you failed to comprehend because YOU didn't read the entire story. They officially said no guns except LE. How about you two practice what you preach next time.

Coloccw - spouting off about internet tough guys and common sense? How's your foot taste?

Kazoo - I didn't misquote anything. I actually did the work to find the entire statement from the head office. Something you missed. Tell me more about this "common sense"...

Here (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/05/19/chipotle-dont-bring-guns-in-our-stores/) is their OFFICIAL statement.











Ahhh, so because I didn't look for a statement that was published just a few hours before I posted means I should eat my words? Especially as it has nothing to do with me stating how many people here, including you, are all up in arms against a business that I think handled a difficult situation very well??? You didn't have that statement either when you were running your mouth. Talk less, read more.

[Great-Kazoo]

Nah, it was just some cop that was nearly as young as I was. He didn't hassle me or leave me with a bad taste or anything.

[ROFL1]

[theGinsue]

Settle down fellas. There's been enough bickering in here. Keep it on topic or this thread gets removed.

[Bailey Guns]

Keep it on topic or this thread gets removed.

That's probably the best thing that could happen.

[Gman]

This thread has been very educational. I had never seen the term "bliss ninny" before.

Some folks made a move that was legal, but inflammatory to some. The bliss ninnies got themselves in an uproar. Chipotle did the best they could to remove themselves from the discussion without actually doing anything. If they really took the position that they didn't want guns in their restaurants, they would post signs to disallow firearms.

I also learned that pro-firearms folks can be quite easily divided. Let's hope that we're not all divided into little in-fighting groups and quashed until there's nobody left.

[rondog]

Too bad the manager of that Chipotle didn't tell those idiots to get the fawk out. Open carry rights or not, it's still private property and he has the right and authority to run 'em the hell out, or file trespassing charges on 'em. That's how it should have been handled.

OC'ing rifles on the streets or in a park is one thing, private businesses is quite another. They have no right to pack loaded rifles into a private establishment. Let's see them do it at a big Dallas gun store! C'mon boys, show us them big balls of yours!

JMHO.

[Gman]

They have no right to pack loaded rifles into a private establishment.
Actually, they do have that right. OC of long guns is legal, handguns are not. Any private establishment that does not want this has the obligation to post signage that firearms are not allowed.

As to the respect of these firearms being loaded, that is speculation on your part.

[BREATHER]

Well Boys and Gurls, I e-mailed a polite note to the chain about how I have never eaten their food and due to the fact I support the 2nd Amendmant I will never try their establishment. It was not to show I am boycotting them, my intention was just to show my support of the 2nd. Notes to not have to be threatening, but some places need to be shown how many citizens support a cause or principle....

[Great-Kazoo]

Well Boys and Gurls, I e-mailed a polite note to the chain about how I have never eaten their food and due to the fact I support the 2nd Amendmant I will never try their establishment. It was not to show I am boycotting them, my intention was just to show my support of the 2nd. Notes to not have to be threatening, but some places need to be shown how many citizens support a cause or principle....

Did you use a cathcy phrase like the AG's?

I like my guns like Chipolte's burritos, LOADED!

Yes anyone is welcome to use my saying, Please do

[rondog]

Actually, they do have that right. OC of long guns is legal, handguns are not. Any private establishment that does not want this has the obligation to post signage that firearms are not allowed.

As to the respect of these firearms being loaded, that is speculation on your part.

Then we disagree. And the link in the OP contained a photo that mentioned they were loaded.

[Bailey Guns]

Actually, they do have that right. OC of long guns is legal, handguns are not. Any private establishment that does not want this has the obligation to post signage that firearms are not allowed.

As to the respect of these firearms being loaded, that is speculation on your part.

It's not a "right" to carry a gun into a private business. It's a privilege extended by that business and it can be revoked at any time. And based on the behavior of these two idiots Chipotle did just that...rightly so.

Congratulations to these two morons for getting the attention they wanted. This is an amazing example of stupidity, but unfortunately, we see it all the time and it gives us all a bad name.

[Gman]

The law is what it is, not what you want or think it should be. Were these individuals arrested or charged with breaking any law? No. You can disagree all you want, but you'll need to change the law to get your desires to match the facts of the matter. I don't think it was the best idea, but I'm not going to call it something it clearly wasn't.

...and repeating conjecture, speculation, or opinion is not fact, no matter who repeats it or how often.

The burden of limiting your 2A right on private property is on the private property owner in that state. If the private property owner would have done that, this would be an issue of criminal trespass. That didn't happen here. 30.05 signage would have disallowed open carry but allowed concealed carry. Concealed carry would be disallowed by 30.06 signage.

[Bailey Guns]

Then explain to me, if it's their "right", why can it be taken away by a private business entity? Doesn't the law allow this company to set the rules for carry on their premises?

[Bailey Guns]

The only "right" these guys exercised was to be stupid in public.

[Gman]

Then explain to me, if it's their "right", why can it be taken away by a private business entity? Doesn't the law allow this company to set the rules for carry on their premises?
The property owner can't deny you a right. They can however deny you access to their space or limit who can exercise their rights in their space, but to do this, they must follow the law explicitly by signage or they can ask you to leave. Anyone complying with their request to disarm is voluntarily agreeing to the arrangement. An individual can also choose to exercise their right and avoid that property.

[Bailey Guns]

So they can deny your "right" on their property. Got it.

[Gman]

Drop the emotion and break out the reason. You can agree to disarming or not. They can't deny you of your rights.

[Bailey Guns]

Now you're just talking in circles.

So let's say you go in armed, in violation of signage, and you get arrested by the po-po. Are they denying your rights? Are they violating your rights? Or, are they saying you had the right to carry your gun, but you do not have the right to violate the law?

[Gman]

You're the one not seeming to grasp even simple legal concepts. In your example, there was a choice made by someone with a gun to break the law. Having a right doesn't give one the ability to ignore the law.

Had the same individual not wanted to give up their rights and stay within the law, the choice would be to stay away from the property.

We have the right to free speech, but not to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater or to incite harm or violence.

[Ronin13]

Then explain to me, if it's their "right", why can it be taken away by a private business entity? Doesn't the law allow this company to set the rules for carry on their premises?
From my understanding, and don't quote me on this, it's free legal advice from a someone who never went to law school (you get what you pay for)- it's perfectly legal to enter an establishment open carrying if there is no signage prohibiting it. However, if the manager/staff/owner inform you that they do not allow firearms on their property and ask you to leave, you have to comply or you can be charged with criminal trespass. At least, that's how it is here in CO. TX may actually state in the statute that signs must be up or the business has no right to ask anyone to leave... [Sarcasm2]

[Bailey Guns]

You can agree to disarming or not. They can't deny you of your rights.

I'm pretty sure I do have a grasp of simple legal concepts. Did you not say it was a right and one could agree to disarm or not? So if you don't agree to disarm, in violation of the signage you said needed to be posted, and you get arrested, have your rights been violated?

It's a pretty simple "yes" or "no" answer.

My position is pretty clear...a person does not have the right to carry on private property where the property owner has said he doesn't want firearms to be carried. Regardless of what you think your rights are, if you knowingly violate the owner's wishes you can be criminally charged. You do not have the right to carry a firearm where a private property owner has made it clear they do not want you to carry that firearm.

I'm not arguing that they violated any law with their stunt, if that's what you're saying. Though I think even that's debatable based on some of the pictures but I'm not an expert on TX law so I don't know for sure.

We all know "rights" are not absolute...I don't think there's any argument there.

ETA: There's a difference in something that's a "right" and something that's "lawful".

[3beansalad]

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/05/open-carry-tools.jpg

Interesting that no one in the background looks the slightest bit worried about these two douche nozzles.


But instead they said no guns except LEO. That by no means is fair or open-minded. That is 100% catering to the anti's.

^^^^^This is why I have a problem with Chipotle's statement. And their claim that they don't want to put employees in the position of asking people to leave leads me to believe they would prefer an outright ban, but instead will tip-toe around the issue so as attempt to avoid angering either side. Which they seem to have done. While I am in no way angry, but until they clarify their statement I will re-think my dining choices. Typically, I choose to avoid spending my money with establishments that do not fully support my rights. We can all agree to disagree about our future patronage because of differing interpretations of Chipotle's statement, but I imagine if you get caught printing in a Chipotle it will become an issue due to some ninny Anti.

[Chipotle Communications Director/Spokesman Chris Arnold sent the following statement -
“The issue of gun ownership or gun rights has become one of the most contentious debates in the country. Chipotle has never taken a position on this issue, as we focus instead on our mission to change the way people think about and eat fast food.
Recently participants from an “open carry” demonstration in Texas brought guns (including military-style assault rifles) into one of our restaurants, causing many of our customers anxiety and discomfort. Because of this, we are respectfully asking that customers not bring guns into our restaurants, unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.Historically, we felt it enough to simply comply with local laws regarding the open or concealed carrying of firearms, because we believe that it is not fair to put our team members in the uncomfortable position of asking that customers refrain from bringing guns into our restaurants. However, because the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers, we think it is time to make this request.
We acknowledge that there are strong arguments on both sides of this issue. We have seen those differing positions expressed in the wake of this event in Texas, where pro-gun customers have contacted us to applaud our support of the Second Amendment, and anti-gun customers have expressed concern over the visible display of military-style assault rifles in restaurants where families are eating. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens and we appreciate them honoring this request. And we hope that our customers who oppose the carrying of guns in public agree with us that it is the role of elected officials and the legislative process to set policy in this area, not the role of businesses like Chipotle.
We always welcome the exchange of ideas and opinions: it is one of the many things that make our country such a special place. But this issue is not central to the operation of our business, and we do not feel that our restaurants should be used as a platform for either side of the debate.”]



That being said, IBTL!

[theGinsue]

For those of you considering boycotting Chipotle becuase of this, I disagree with your decision as I feel Chipotle was prevoked into their decision. Perhaps you'd reconsider your choice - and then decide that maybe a better reason to boycott them is how they treat their employees who are victims of domestic violence.


Chipotle fired domestic violence victim for ‘too many issues’: suit

A Manhattan woman is suing Chipotle Mexican Grill saying she was callously fired by bosses at the fast food chain after being choked and pummeled by her ex-boyfriend and then having to miss work due to her injuries.

Natasha Velez socked Chipotle with the Manhattan federal court civil-rights suit, alleging she was fired last year from her food-preparer job at an Upper East Side branch on Third Avenue four weeks after returning to work following the alleged domestic violence attack.

The suit claims that her ex-boyfriend — who isn’t named — choked her and fractured her left index finger during a confrontation on New Year’s Day 2013.

Days later, she showed her bosses the police report for the incident and other related paperwork. The suit also says she showed them her injured finger in a splint and informed them she couldn’t work until it healed.

When she returned on Jan. 28, 2013, her manager said she had “too many issues outside work” and fired her on the spot, according to the suit.

“Chipotle discriminated against Ms. Velez on the basis of her actual and/or perceived status as a domestic violence victim, including by terminating her employment,” the suit says.

Velez’s lawyer and Chipotle did not immediately return messages.

[275RLTW]

#doyouevenopencarrybro?

[Gman]

I'm glad you posted more than a one-liner since I was getting the impression that you were intentionally being obtuse.
So if you don't agree to disarm, in violation of the signage you said needed to be posted, and you get arrested, have your rights been violated?No. It's private property. If you don't comply you are guilty of criminal trespass.

My point, as indicated by the previous post that I had quoted and my comments, was that calling their actions unlawful is going too far. They were within the law. I also don't think it was a smart move on their part.

If your business serves the public, and you don't want firearms on your private property in TX, then you need to follow the law and provide signage to that effect. The other option is verbal notification. If none of that has taken place, then there's no law broken and someone can continue to exercise their right to carry.

Personally, I think the government goes too far into the rights of private property owners. If you own a bar and want to allow smoking, it should be up to you, not the government. If you as a customer don't like it, go somewhere else.

Just another example: I have the right to own and bear arms. I also have a CCW. My employer does not allow firearms. As terms of my employment, I either agree to that and leave my firearms outside of the business, or I go elsewhere. This does not mean that my employer is depriving me of my rights. It's my choice.

I think Chipotle did the most tactful thing they could have by their non-binding "request". I'll still go to Chipotle and CCW and none will be the wiser.

[Jamnanc]

I enjoy this forum and respect many of the members opinions. I am surprised at how many of you think that carrying your rifle into chipotle is a fine idea. If you want to carry around your AR into public places in urban environments, please expect that there'll be some sort of repercussion. I would feel uncomfortable with a couple of Idiots walking into chipotle with their AR while I was having my burrito. I like more freedom, not less in a society. I think it should be your option to carry your rifle. I also think that the store owner should have the freedom to not have you carry your rifle in his store. Just because something is legal does not make it reasonable.
Stores and places of business should be allowed to have dress codes, behavior codes, and other reasonable expectations of people who frequent their business.

chipotle has damn fine burritos and I'm not going to stop going there because they asked some guy who's not to carry their rifles around their place of business.
My .02

[SuperiorDG]

I enjoy this forum and respect many of the members opinions. I am surprised at how many of you think that carrying your rifle into chipotle is a fine idea. If you want to carry around your AR into public places in urban environments, please expect that there'll be some sort of repercussion. I would feel uncomfortable with a couple of Idiots walking into chipotle with their AR while I was having my burrito. I like more freedom, not less in a society. I think it should be your option to carry your rifle. I also think that the store owner should have the freedom to not have you carry your rifle in his store. Just because something is legal does not make it reasonable.
Stores and places of business should be allowed to have dress codes, behavior codes, and other reasonable expectations of people who frequent their business.

chipotle has damn fine burritos and I'm not going to stop going there because they asked some gay who's not to carry their rifles around their place of business.
My .02

The business owner can't do that.

[Gman]

...even if they're wearing leather...because it's in the Constitution.

I read it on the Internets, so it must be true.

[Jamnanc]

The business owner can't do that.. Whoops :)

Edited, this isn't the special privileges argument thread. My mistake. Damn talk to text

[Gman]

. Whoops :)

Edited, this isn't the special privileges argument thread. My mistake. Damn talk to text
Isn't technology wonderful? [Coffee]

[Ah Pook]

This situation reminds me of this one.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vulgar-facebook-pic-woman-canned-article-1.1205609

I respect her rights to freedom of expression and speech but what she did was totally uncalled for. I respect the second amendment and the rights of self protection but OCT's execution leaves a lot to be desired.

[Grant H.]

Geeze... You guys managed to turn this in "lets argue over semantics" 101...

It's also astounding that many on here will state, on a public INTERNET forum, that they will happily break the law just because they won't get caught...

[3beansalad]

Some new info to consider, (which I read: as please disarm yourself you responsible gun owner we prefer targets in our restaurants.)

A viewer/listener sent their correspondence with Chipotle to me this afternoon wherein the restaurant says that despite Bloomberg “moms” assertions (http://danaloeschradio.com/bloomberg-moms-fail-to-push-chipotle-to-ban-guns-from-stores/), there is no ban and they will comply with local gun laws. Hmm. My emphasis:
From: Chipotle Support <case_activity_track@n-7epvqgrqb2rc3e1vydlnl1zr8.uy4lnmac.u.apex.salesfor ce.com>
Date: May 22, 2014 at 10:33:06 AM CDT
To: “REDACTED”
Subject: Reply from Chipotle
Reply-To: case_activity_track@n-7epvqgrqb2rc3e1vydlnl1zr8.uy4lnmac.u.apex.salesfor ce.com
Yes, that is accurate. This is not a ban.
Sincerely,
Kate
————————————–
Subject: Reply from Chipotle
Body:Thanks Kate. You understand how this is hard to decipher for me. So when you say you’ll continue to comply with local laws, you will technically allow concealed carry where it’s allowed in the state, while at the same time encourage people to not do it. Is that accurate?
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 21, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Chipotle Support wrote:
>
> Hi [REDACTED],
>
> I can certainly understand your question. As it stands, we are strongly and respectfully asking that our customers not bring any guns into our restaurants. We will continue to comply with local laws. We hope that responsible patrons, like yourself, will honor this request.
>
> Kate
>
> ————————————–
> Subject: Reply from Chipotle
> Body:Thanks for your response. But again, to clarify, you again below reference open carry. Can you confirm, yes or no, am I as a lawful concealed carrier officially banned from going to Chipotle?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 21, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Chipotle Support wrote:
> >
> > To ensure we receive your response, please do not modify the subject line.
> >
> > [REDACTED],
> >
> > Thanks for reaching out with your question and concerns. We recognize that this is a sensitive issue and we respect that people have very different points of view. Chipotle has never taken a position on this issue, as we focus instead on our mission to change the way people think about and eat fast food. We have always complied with local laws. The recent “open carry” demonstration in Texas, caused us to now respectfully ask that customers not bring guns into our restaurants, unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens and we appreciate them honoring this request. We hope that our customers agree with us that it is the role of elected officials and the legislative process to set policy in this area, not the role of businesses like Chipotle.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Kate
> >
> > Customer Service Consultant
> > Chipotle Mexican Grill
> >
> >
> > Contact Name: [REDACTED]
> >
> > Phone Number: [REDACTED]
> >
> > Restaurant Name: {!Case.RestaurantName__c}
> > Date & Time of Visit: //Z
> >
> > Original Comment:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Chipotle recently put out a statement following the open carry rifle demonstration in Texas that you are asking people not to bring guns into your stores. I’m hoping you can clarify a couple of questions for me.
> >
> > 1. Is this in fact an official “ban” on any kind of gun in Chipotle stores across the country?
> >
> > 2. As a concealed carry holder, am I still permitted to carry concealed in your stores? I’d love to continue to eat at Chipotle and have spent literally thousands of dollars there, but I need to know if I must take my business elsewhere. The letter seemed to be catered toward open carry activists, so just looking for clarification.
> >

http://danaloeschradio.com/chipotle-to-customer-not-a-ban-on-guns/

[Zundfolge]

It's also astounding that many on here will state, on a public INTERNET forum, that they will happily break the law just because they won't get caught...

Lets argue over semantics 201. A business politely requesting that you not bring a gun into their business is a far cry from "The Law" (and in Colorado, posting a sign on the door expressly forbidding you bring in a gun is not even "the law" until they've confronted you directly and you've refused to leave).

[ZERO THEORY]

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[Whistler]

Texas requires very specific signage with very particular verbiage (PC 30.06) though a property owner or their designee may ask anyone to leave verbally. LE will not listen to your explanation and will enforce the property owner's wishes to remove you should you choose not to comply. They may suffer repercussions if the individual was a member of a protected class (discriminatory) but after the fact. It is not automatically criminal (Class A misdemeanor) unless legally compliant signs are posted. This is paraphrased, there are exceptions and restrictions you can research in more detail if you like. PC 30.05 deals with criminal trespass while in possession of a deadly weapon unless it was the basis of forbidding entry, etc.

These knuckleheads are just that, knuckleheads and I empathize with their goal if not their actions. Open carry of a handgun in Texas is (generally) illegal however open carry of a long gun is not (with restrictions, PC 46.02). Stretching the benefit of the doubt I can almost support their desire to stage a public protest despite their misguided rationalization of the method, with what they could legally open carry - long guns. I disagree with the time, the place, the approach and the result however I do agree with their cause.

What I also don't agree with are the (supposed) 2A folks who shriek about the damage to their image and cause, any rational individual is painfully aware anti's do not give a singular crap about gun owners' image, that ship has sailed. I disagree for a couple reasons; first unlike Colorado open carry of handguns in Texas is illegal, we are fighting to have that aspect of our right restored (100+ years) and sometimes that means more activism than the legislative process, second I can't get my head around the idea of protecting a right by not exercising the right, why the hell have it in that case? This whole concept of kiss-an-anti's-ass, hide-your-guns, dress-nice-and-cut-your-hair-to-carry doesn't ring out with me in consideration of what has historically worked and what has not - do the same things, get the same results. The vast majority of gun owners have committed no crime... ever but hundreds of years of facts and "image" have done nothing to curtail the erosion of the Second Amendment. The anti's play the game with shock and emotion, they aren't more powerful just louder and we need to get loud too. Loud like the recalls in Colorado, loud like the blatant sensationalism that has worked so effectively against us and even loud like legally exercising your right (though maybe with a bit more class).

I'm not advocating a bunch of Facebook rejects storm around with ARs and AKs, not because it supposedly upset some anti but because it's not rational or logical and failed to achieve their goal. They're a pain in the butt to carry around and conduct normal activities, if you're going to create the shock use it to send a strategic message versus leaving a vacuum to be filled by the media. Gaping for pictures, ignorant posts on their walls or whatever they're called, toting an AR in a restaurant, etc. are just ignorant but no reflection on me whatsoever. That said I can see where some ignorant kids might come to the conclusion it was a good idea, don't they deserve at least as much "dialog", "education" and "mentoring" as I see advocated for some supposed fence-sitting anti? You'll take the time to hand hold a Liberal and beg them to "like your guns" but just blast some guys essentially on the same side but in need of guidance? Boys I think we need to reconsider our priorities, stop fighting amongst ourselves and save the criticisms for the guys actively seeking to restrict our freedoms.

Personally I can't blame Chipotle - bidness is bidness but when you pick a side (forced or not) you live with the consequences, however I predict very few 2A advocates will boycott their business and they will experience little fallout. <= why we lose

[Gman]

I agree with you except for the last paragraph. You do seem to blame Chipotle by your statement that 2A advocates should boycott them....or we lose.

I'm hoping you guys can make some headway into legalizing open carry of handguns again. The thought of not being able to wear a BBQ gun to a pig roast just doesn't seem right.

[Whistler]

I've never been in one but it's a personal choice folks have to make for themselves. What I meant by that is despite our commonalities we (as a group) tend not to organize publicly much or follow through much on our convictions by supporting others that do and that's why we lose. Instead we try to maintain a low profile, don't stir the pot approach and work through letters, phones calls and other "proper" channels but that's all virtually invisible and candidly just doesn't seem to be working. We gain a little ground, lose a little more and slowly we relinquish our rights by attrition because our letters and phone calls aren't on the front page to rebut the screaming Liberal message. On the other hand right or wrong they have picked a side, we understand why and don't blame them but they picked a side nonetheless and as the old saying goes "if'n you ain't with us, you is a'gin us!". A silly battle in my opinion though likely to have more impact than the many letters I write.

Homosexuals got in people's face 24/7 for years, staged rallies, protests and parades and basically presented an image that would repulse a skunk but look where they are now. Still repulsive but successful in having forced an acceptance on those still repulsed not to mention legislation to support it. How did the recent gun bans and restrictions pass? Grandstanding, sensationalizing, barnstorming over the bodies of children (we shouldn't go that far, there are some distinctions between the groups). I think maybe we could teach these young, enthusiastic guys better ways to communicate a message and (like the anti's) exploit this situation. I can think of a few "spins" like "oh poor misguided kids, nowhere to turn in their frustration over oppression of their self-expression", "You people frightened those poor kids to death squealing like children over a little gun!" [ROFL1] Got carried away and gave myself a giggle but you get the drift. We need to shame the anti's for their cowardice and unwillingness to shoulder their responsibility loudly, harshly and publicly, use the buzz words that resonate with them to incite their emotions because they don't care about facts or rights or legality. Accuse them of promoting violence and being responsible for the deaths of innocents, they do it daily to us let's turn it around. Cherry-pick the facts and spin everything even remotely distasteful as on their shoulders. Perhaps no more factual than the image they perpetrate of us but you don't win wars being nice. I think we have proven that conclusively with regard to gun rights.

edit: damn totally missed that last sentence! "pig roast" that was funny...

[Gman]

We need to shame the anti's for their cowardice and unwillingness to shoulder their responsibility loudly, harshly and publicly, use the buzz words that resonate with them to incite their emotions because they don't care about facts or rights or legality. Accuse them of promoting violence and being responsible for the deaths of innocents, they do it daily to us let's turn it around. Cherry-pick the facts and spin everything even remotely distasteful as on their shoulders. Perhaps no more factual than the image they perpetrate of us but you don't win wars being nice. I think we have proven that conclusively with regard to gun rights.
Unfortunately, the media and the politicians pushing the leftist agenda are on the same side. We won't get equal time playing the same game. I also wouldn't stoop to their level by distorting the truth. Facts are stubborn things.

[10mm-man]

http://gunssavelives.net/press-releases/texas-gun-rights-groups-issue-statement-on-open-carry-clarify-stance-on-long-gun-carry/#


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – Come and Take It Texas, Texas Carry, Gun Rights Across America and Open Carry Texas Joint Statement on OC of Long Arms – May 21, 2014
Over the past year, our members have done what no other organization has been able to do – put open carry at the forefront of the fight to restore gun rights for all Texans. As we have grown, we have had to adjust our efforts based on lessons learned through hundreds of open carry events, big and small.