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Brian
05-23-2014, 11:27
Seems like every couple weeks this subject comes up. I wonder if it's "final" this time.



http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/05/23/army-selects-new-camouflage-pattern.html?ESRC=eb.nl

The U.S. Army (http://www.military.com/Community/Home/0,14700,ARMY,00.html) is quietly putting the word out to commands that it is replacing its current Universal Camouflage Pattern with a pattern the service has owned for more than a decade.


The Army's senior leadership has selected Scorpion, a pattern similar to MultiCam that was developed around 2002, according to a source with knowledge of the decision.


Sgt. Major of the Army Raymond Chandler III has been briefing senior sergeants major throughout the Army about the new pattern for the Army Combat Uniform (http://www.military.com/equipment/army-combat-uniform-acu), but details are still limited.


The Army was poised to announce the results of its multi-year camouflage improvement effort nearly a year ago, but congressional language in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal 2014 called on the Pentagon to put an end to the services branding their ranks with unique camouflage uniforms.


The Army has been considering replacing UCP with Crye Precision's MultiCam -- a pattern that has demonstrated consistent performance in multiple tests and was selected in 2010 for soldiers to wear in Afghanistan.


Army officials even tried to buy the rights to MultiCam but rejected Crye's figure of $25 million, according to Caleb Crye, owner of Crye Precision. Army officials also balked at paying for "printing fees" the company receives on MultiCam -- a small figure that amounts to about one percent of the 20 percent price hike uniform companies want to charge the Army for MultiCam, according to Crye.

In addition to Crye, the other finalists in the Army's Phase IV camouflage testing included ADS Inc., teamed with Hyperstealth, Inc.; Brookwood Companies Inc.; and Kryptek Inc.


And, ironically, in March 2013 the Army decided to drop the fifth finalist -- a government pattern developed at the Army's Natick Soldier Systems Center. The pattern, known as Scorpion, was too similar to one of the industry submissions, Army officials said.
It's similar to MultiCam because Crye developed the pattern with the Army for its Objective Force Warrior program in 2012. He later made small adjustments to the pattern for trademark purposes and called it MultiCam.


The unique blend of greens, browns and tans has been a favorite of Special Operations Command (http://www.military.com/special-operations) for almost a decade. The Army selected MultiCam in 2010 as the clear winner over several other patterns to issue to soldiers deploying to Afghanistan.
It's unclear when the Army will set a wear-out date for the UCP or start issuing uniforms printed in Scorpion.


Once contracts are awarded, it can take up to 20 weeks for the raw fabric to be printed in Scorpion, inspected and cut and sewn into uniforms, according to Kyli Hanson, program manager for Army Combat Uniforms for Blue Water Defense -- one of the U.S. military's primary uniform manufacturers.


"It's not an instantaneous change," said Hanson, who had not heard of the decision. She did say, however, that since Scorpion is similar to MultiCam, uniform companies will likely be able to use the same color Velcro, buttons and zippers.

Brian
05-23-2014, 11:31
I don't know anything about this website but it has some examples - it's interesting to see what (very little) Crye changed so that they could patent the Scorpion pattern as Multicam.

http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/

Mick-Boy
05-23-2014, 11:38
Four years and hundreds of millions of dollars go into the most exhaustive camouflage testing in military history and the Army settles on something that they've had in their inventory for more than a decade because they balked at a $25mil price tag.

Way to go government. Way to go. [facepalm]

speedysst
05-23-2014, 12:21
So basically, the Army is just saying "Screw you Crye Precision."

Zundfolge
05-23-2014, 14:19
So basically, the Army is just saying "Screw you Crye Precision."

Really? More like "Here's a bonus Crye Precision ... now you get to re-sell to everyone you've sold gear to over the last few years ... enjoy the new house and putting your kids through college!"

They already have the new pattern stuff up on their web site. (http://www.cryeprecision.com/)

lex137
05-23-2014, 15:00
Wish they would have went with the Kryptek pattern. Would be nice if they dropped the price tag on Kryptek and Crye clothing, it cost way to much! If I'm buying those things I will have to wear them everyday!

.455_Hunter
05-23-2014, 15:04
Some BDU's in the new pattern would be quite nice. I can't stand the "features' of the ACU series.

Brian
05-23-2014, 15:12
Really? More like "Here's a bonus Crye Precision ... now you get to re-sell to everyone you've sold gear to over the last few years ... enjoy the new house and putting your kids through college!"

They already have the new pattern stuff up on their web site. (http://www.cryeprecision.com/)

Where? Are you sure it's not multicam? I didn't see any listed as Scorpion.

HoneyBadger
05-23-2014, 15:45
Four years and hundreds of millions of dollars go into the most exhaustive camouflage testing in military history and the Army settles on something that they've had in their inventory for more than a decade because they balked at a $25mil price tag.

Way to go government. Way to go. [facepalm]
Yep. In the meantime, several uniform roll outs happened that cost taxpayers and uniformed members billions of dollars. [Shake]

Zundfolge
05-23-2014, 15:53
Where? Are you sure it's not multicam? I didn't see any listed as Scorpion.

This is the image of the new camo from the Military.com page

http://images.military.com/media/news/service/scorpion-camouflage-600.jpg

This is photos from the Crye Precision web site.

http://www.cryeprecision.com/images/categories/119.jpghttp://www.cryeprecision.com/images/categories/131.jpg

Are these not the same pattern?

vossman
05-23-2014, 17:01
They said this exact same thing about the ACU and ABU. Its so much better.... Blah Blah Fucking Blah. So with the decision to get away from service specific uniforms, is every branch gonna wear this?

Fuck we waste $$!!!

Mick-Boy
05-23-2014, 17:54
A little background on scorpion from Soldier Systems.

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/05/23/little-scorpion-camo-history/#more-80374

USMC_5-Echo
05-23-2014, 20:23
Fuck we waste $$!!!

With this matter yes the army does waste so much money. The Marine Corps, Air Force, and even the navy with their ugly ass ones have at least stuck with their digi-cam decisions

10mm-man
05-23-2014, 20:50
Four years and hundreds of millions of dollars go into the most exhaustive camouflage testing in military history and the Army settles on something that they've had in their inventory for more than a decade because they balked at a $25mil price tag.

Way to go government. Way to go. [facepalm]

I think crye turned down the $25 million dollar offer from the .GOV .MIL. Not the other way around.

cstone
05-23-2014, 21:04
That stuff looks awesome in the supermarket or on the Metro in DC. I can barely see those service members as they jet on down I-25 on their motorcycles [beatdeadhorse]

speedysst
05-24-2014, 07:34
From what others have posted, there are slight differences (such as no vertical elements in the Scorpion). Crye owns the Multicam pattern but not the Scorpion pattern. So yeah, since the govt went with Scorpion, it seems to me it was a slap in the face to Crye. Personally I liked the US4CES patterns and once I take over the empire, I will mandate those uniforms be issued.

This is the image of the new camo from the Military.com page

http://images.military.com/media/news/service/scorpion-camouflage-600.jpg

This is photos from the Crye Precision web site.

http://www.cryeprecision.com/images/categories/119.jpghttp://www.cryeprecision.com/images/categories/131.jpg

Are these not the same pattern?

Brian
05-24-2014, 16:30
Crye helped develop both patterns, but only has the trademark on Multicam. Offering to sell the Multicam rights to the army for $25mil - I can't tell anymore if that's a good deal or a bad one, given how much the government spends on everything else. But going with a pattern you already own that is 95% similar - I can't fault them for that decision. Just wish it hadn't taken this long and this much money to get to that decision.

Brian
05-24-2014, 16:33
... and of course you can't have a camo conversation without my favorite camo pic:

http://i.imgur.com/gUF3kkm.jpg

USMC_5-Echo
05-24-2014, 18:45
... and of course you can't have a camo conversation without my favorite camo pic:

http://i.imgur.com/gUF3kkm.jpg

Yeah no clue why the army would move away from that camo. Now what are they going to do when they want to hide on their moms couch?

clublights
05-24-2014, 19:58
... and of course you can't have a camo conversation without my favorite camo pic:

http://i.imgur.com/gUF3kkm.jpg


This pic reminds of when the Air Force went to BDU's in the 80's ...

Pop (Helo Mech) came home with his first pair to unit patch up stood against a white wall arms out and says "you can't see me !" me being the sarcastic kid I was respond with " no your just a floating head and hands! " ..


good times good times.

HoneyBadger
05-24-2014, 20:16
Yeah no clue why the army would move away from that camo. Now what are they going to do when they want to hide on their moms couch?
If my mom had a couch as ugly as that, I 'd be embarrassed to tell anyone... [Dunno]

Fmedges
05-25-2014, 10:26
Marine cut uniforms are more practical no matter what patten is printed on ACU's. They have too much Velcro and zipper bullshit everywhere.

Danimal
05-25-2014, 11:28
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