View Full Version : Bad night at UCSB (Isla Vista shooting)
Looks like graduation weekend went sideways at UCSB:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
kidicarus13
05-24-2014, 09:42
His YouTube video Retribution is disturbing. I wonder how many more youths with this revenge mindset share our streets, schools, restaurants?
10mm-man
05-24-2014, 10:14
His YouTube video Retribution is disturbing. I wander how many more youths with this revenge mindset share our streets, schools, restaurants?
I would say a lot more than you realize! The only thing keeping us safe is the restricted gun laws.
I am sure the media will spin that way; "he wasn't able to buy an assault rifle because____insert here____ ......." See folks our gun restrictions are working!
Are's armory was raided of their evil 80% lowers. (my insert here)
Great-Kazoo
05-24-2014, 10:49
I would say a lot more than you realize! The only thing keeping us safe is the restricted gun laws.
By reading comments like this it's just one more reason to be over prepared.
We seriously need to get assault weapons with extra big clips off the streets and out of the hands of common citizens. Once we have restricted the type of killing machines that people are allowed to own, Congress needs to start regulating the type of content that is available on the internet.
Obama needs to use his executive power to ban the second amendment from America. There's no reason for citizens to own guns, only the military and police should have them. For hunting? Um....it's called Go to the supermarket! For protection? Yeah, we have police for that as well as many various non-lethal means to protect. More people killed their loved ones and commit suicide with their murder machines than actually protect anything.
How many more gun tragedies must we endure as a country before we finally say "Enough is ENOUGH!!!" A congresswoman, innocent movie theater patrons, school children and even firemen get shot at?!?!!?! And this is what we can expect with more of the "let's have guns everywhere" laws like the rethuglicans want to pass all over the place
KestrelBike
05-24-2014, 11:37
Well, cnn didn't mention race, so here's hoping it doesn't turn into traditional white-man-NRA-funded pointing match.
BushMasterBoy
05-24-2014, 11:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUW3Km01BM
By reading comments like this it's just one more reason to be over prepared.
We seriously need to get assault weapons with extra big clips off the streets and out of the hands of common citizens. Once we have restricted the type of killing machines that people are allowed to own, Congress needs to start regulating the type of content that is available on the internet.
Obama needs to use his executive power to ban the second amendment from America. There's no reason for citizens to own guns, only the military and police should have them. For hunting? Um....it's called Go to the supermarket! For protection? Yeah, we have police for that as well as many various non-lethal means to protect. More people killed their loved ones and commit suicide with their murder machines than actually protect anything.
How many more gun tragedies must we endure as a country before we finally say "Enough is ENOUGH!!!" A congresswoman, innocent movie theater patrons, school children and even firemen get shot at?!?!!?! And this is what we can expect with more of the "let's have guns everywhere" laws like the rethuglicans want to pass all over the place
Therein lies the reason I fear what gun laws may occur should the anti's have control of both the house and senate.
Im sure the boys lked him. He reminds me of the guy that banged stifflers mom.
Zundfolge
05-24-2014, 12:29
Yet another mentally ill liberal goes on a killing spree in a gun free zone ... folks the problem isn't guns, the problem is we allow liberals and Democrats to walk the streets.
His YouTube video Retribution is disturbing. I wonder how many more youths with this revenge mindset share our streets, schools, restaurants?
I'm working on a theory ... haven't fleshed it out completely yet, but I'm beginning to think the current "anti-bullying" crusade is going to create more and more of these because we're creating a culture where "bullies" are worse than Nazis and thus subhuman and not deserving to live and victims of bullying are saints and martyrs who's actions in response to the bullying are 100% forgiven because they're "victims". Extrapolate that to anyone that feels that they've been victimized by society or a subset of society and all of the sudden you have someone that can be a mass murderer of innocent people and still see himself as a victim and a "gentleman".
Just look at all the memes, image macros and online jokes about "The Friendzone" ... that's basically where this guy was and why he killed. He feels he was "bullied" by all females for not only not having sex with him, but for considering him a friend while having sex with alpha males (who he believes are all jerks).
In addition to my theories about anti-bullying campaigns we're also seeing the rise of the homocidle beta-male (one might argue that progressiveism/liberalism is nothing more than a system that is meant to empower the beta-male at the expense of the alpha-male and the rest of society).
<MADDOG>
05-24-2014, 13:04
Zund,
I think there may be validity in your thoughts. When I see a 22yr old college kid parked in his BMW ranting about "unfair" his life is, I want to throw him to the taliban. In simplicity, I think it is the entitlement attitude and the predominate mindset of "it is everyone fault by mine" is a factor more so in Gen Y than others, but I'm opining.
And puntang? Really? Where was this guy's dad?
jerrymrc
05-24-2014, 14:05
Zund,
I think there may be validity in your thoughts. When I see a 22yr old college kid parked in his BMW ranting about "unfair" his life is, I want to throw him to the taliban. In simplicity, I think it is the entitlement attitude and the predominate mindset of "it is everyone fault by mine" is a factor more so in Gen Y than others, but I'm opining.
And puntang? Really? Where was this guy's dad?
Looks like Daddy was a Hollywood Director. Yep, good schools, cars. Probably got everything he wanted in life but when the girls would not put out for him it is all their fault.
And most likely because of the upbringing he could not adjust his "standards". Something I learned at about 14. I never cared for the "A" list girls in HS anyway because most were so stuck on themselves and clueless. [LOL]
Watched the vid. Yep, stuck up rich kid with no social skills. Somebody watched too many soap operas.
He is right about one thing. He will be a god. The media will see to it.
What a waste.
Dis find this comment interesting.
Actually, when this happens we have anti-gun people point and go guns are bad. Then the rest of us with an IQ above 70 go, hmm ... is it just me or do all these mass murderers seem to have mental health problems.
Then the media will glamorize it with days to weeks of frontline news stories inadvertently putting the crazy person on a pedestal for the NEXT person with mental health problems to emulate.
10mm-man
05-24-2014, 14:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUW3Km01BM
Lol... Was this the fruit cake who did it? Dude couldn't even find some __________.... Geez! Not sure that's the issue with this guy. Think there is some serious issues going on.
Great-Kazoo
05-24-2014, 14:36
And puntang? Really? Where was this guy's dad?
Figuring out how to divvy the kilo of coke one of his "friends" scored.
jerrymrc
05-24-2014, 14:47
I thought the "effeminate" look in guys was what the girls wanted these days?[mlp][LOL]
clublights
05-24-2014, 15:10
IF your daddy is buying you a fairly if not brand new BMW.. life is not that tough...
fuckin psychos
NO idiot-Elliot. It is because you are weirdo and crazy. For the future references for weirdos in the world. Women don't like freaks and weirdos. I don't care you are fugly, aneroxic, obese, or bald at age of 22. I assure you that you will get diversity of chicks.
22 age without sex or kiss? so what? Over 33% of my physics and engineering friends never even held the girl's hand. Of course that changed after they finished all the schooling.
I've seen guys who were 23+ and virgin who had tons more sex than average people had. If he waited and changed his attitude, he probably get bus load of women semi-annually. Sad that this idiot couldn't wait and acted crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUW3Km01BM
Making it worse is that dad called the cops weeks ago when the youtube video was posted.
Police interviewed the kid, and said he was "perfectly wonderful"
Not very scholarly link but had info on Dad.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/santa-barbara-mass-shooting-son-706995
Rooskibar03
05-24-2014, 16:32
He couldn't figure out why girls asked him to go shopping but never wanted to hold his hand?
<MADDOG>
05-24-2014, 17:19
My better half and I had a debate today upon reading the OP and the follow up articles...
My argument: the true psychos of yesteryear, IE: Gein, Bundy, Dalmer, et all, had a true brain anomaly that manifested their crimes.
Today, I think it is more of a "societal" conditioning more so than a true mental/physiological disability. We didn't disagree, but I'll spare you the why...[LOL]
He couldn't figure out why girls asked him to go shopping but never wanted to hold his hand?
ding ding ding!
10mm-man
05-24-2014, 18:39
Making it worse is that dad called the cops weeks ago when the youtube video was posted.
Police interviewed the kid, and said he was "perfectly wonderful"
No one stepped in, to help the kid? Geez some dad; a drive South to Tia Juana could have (possibly) prevented this.
Great-Kazoo
05-24-2014, 21:05
My better half and I had a debate today upon reading the OP and the follow up articles...
My argument: the true psychos of yesteryear, IE: Gein, Bundy, Dalmer, et all, had a true brain anomaly that manifested their crimes.
Today, I think it is more of a "societal" conditioning more so than a true mental/physiological disability. We didn't disagree, but I'll spare you the why...[LOL]
Correct, it's the gimme generation grown up and out on their own (physically) . Beemer? why not a nice toyota? Oh I know, Social status, Not having the spine to tell your kid NO !
Of course the Family is anti-gun, AGAIN!
Only one so far who has it close to right. The attorney.
"My client's mission in life will be to try to prevent any such tragedies from ever happening again," he said. "This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses."
10mm-man
05-24-2014, 21:22
Correct, it's the gimme generation grown up and out on their own (physically) . Beemer? why not a nice toyota? Oh I know, Social status, Not having the spine to tell your kid NO !
Of course the Family is anti-gun, AGAIN!
Only one so far who has it close to right. The attorney.
"My client's mission in life will be to try to prevent any such tragedies from ever happening again," he said. "This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses."
How do you address mental illness? If I understand correctly the kid was interviewed by the police, and found to be ok. What would happen if they arrested him for the video; possibly people crying about freedom of speech? The left says people who like guns, and have guns; have a mental illness. Didn't Hitler use mental illness, as an issue, and a way to incarcerate people against him? I am not so sure this is really a road to go down! We might all end up incarcerated for our love of the 2nd amendment.
People have killed people since we have existed, in many different forms, for many different things. All we need is Obama, and his administration setting the bar for what is normal, and what is considered "mental illness". I am not sure, I want to see this administration pushing for a government program that determines who is sane, and who is not.
clublights
05-24-2014, 21:39
One of the Families is blaming the NRA already.....
Rampage in college town began with stabbings - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
One family is speaking out in anger.
Richard Martinez, father of Christopher Martinez, said to reporters. "Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA. They talk about gun rights, what about Chris' right to live? When will this insanity stop?"
One of the Families is blaming the NRA already.....
Rampage in college town began with stabbings - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
So, are they also going to blame on BMW E92 to haul this crazy ass to commit a crime?
http://i59.tinypic.com/264su55.jpg
The first three deaths were apparently by knife so I'm not sure how much traction the "evil guns" story is going to have, not to mention the fact that all firearms were recovered with politically-safe 10rd magazines.
Great-Kazoo
05-24-2014, 22:28
. If I were families of the victims, I'd be looking at strong civil recourse against that department right now...
. If a parent calls in their own kid, and there is a video like this online, it needs to be taken seriously. That department did not or the kid would have been evaluated. Responding officers must have thought it was "funny".
Flashback to James Holmes and his shrink. LE contact (supposedly) between point A & B the ball was dropped big time.
Regarding a civil action, guarantee there's 2-3 doz ambulance chasers camped outside the relatives homes.
Zundfolge
05-24-2014, 22:57
22 and couldn't get laid?
He's a hell of a lot better looking than I was when I was in was 22 (or now for that matter), he's clearly got plenty of money (the BMW I drove in my late 20s was a beat up 1976 2002 and I paid $400 for it) and he lives in a southern California town surrounded by morally ambiguous hot chicks whereas I grew up in Wichita Kansas (a city noted as being one of the worst cities in America for singles) (http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/datingcities.aspx) and I got laid pretty much any time I wanted to.
Not very scholarly link but had info on Dad.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/santa-barbara-mass-shooting-son-706995
An HA! Daddy's in the movie business ... someone (Daddy or one of daddy's colegues) diddled this little ball of metrosexual psychosis.
One of the Families is blaming the NRA already.....
Rampage in college town began with stabbings - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
How convenient ... son of prominent Hollywierd liberal murders a bunch of folk so they can blame us and the NRA ... gotta wonder if there isn't some odd programing in these families (aren't they cut from the same cloth as those that had their children singing hymns about Obama?)
theGinsue
05-24-2014, 22:57
My opinion here, based off of my life experiences & a measly semester as a Psych major (30 years ago)..take it for what it's worth.
(1). If you act like another girlfriend to girls/women, they'll treat you like and see you as another girlfriend. Man up or shut up.
(2). You want adoration, start with a dog. Dogs give adoration freely and help teach you how to give it back.
(3). Clearly a narcissist. It's all about me me me. I believe he's a product of this whole "Everyone is a winner, no one is a loser" mentality/social practice. The kid had no coping skills with rejection & expected life to be "fair". His "Retribution" video showed me a person of entitlement. Fancy car, etc. He felt he was entitled to, or deserved, girls throwing themselves at him since he was such a fine specimen of a man. He had no idea how to step outside of himself and rationally evaluate why girls weren't interested in him. But then again, why should he have to do that, he should be getting girls just because he exists - he's entitled. He expected life to be "fair" since everybody goes home with a ribbon. When he got a taste of the real world he couldn't cope and decided to make others pay for the unfairness of it all. What he should have done is gone home and slapped his parents in the face for shielding him from disappointment in his life and not preparing him for what the real world had in store for him.
What, this kid couldn't get laid by one of his "friends" on Facebook?
Guys, this kid was a sociopath. A bona-fide sociopath that belonged to several "Superior male" sorts of groups. Misogynistic, racist and the whole entitled attitude.
He released a 141-page single-spaced manifesto that will raise your hair, if you can get that far. Narcissistic, grudge-holding and living in a downward spiral. It's no wonder women shied away from him.
You can google the manifesto.
I feel for the victims and their families.
Oh hey- "fat chicks" are not second-class citizens. So even though he couldn't even score with a "fat chick," that's not anyone's problem but his.
^To The Grey. There are some dumb fawks here. Sad reality.
I like this guy...to an extent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQY76gpImmA
clublights
05-25-2014, 00:35
What, this kid couldn't get laid by one of his "friends" on Facebook?
myspace was much better for hook ups .....
Or maybe I was just younger then LOL
RblDiver
05-25-2014, 03:21
Particularly scary since my sis's church was just two blocks away from one of the killings. I hadn't even been paying attention to the news, so didn't hear about this until I met my folks for dinner. On hearing it, my mom'd been quite worried until she saw my sis was OK.
Singlestack
05-25-2014, 07:13
On fox news last night one of the guests was a woman shrink. She said after watching the video the first time she thought he was a heterosexual who was completely frustrated by lack of success with women. However, after watching it a few more times she came to the belief that he is actually a frustrated homosexual. I didn't hear an explanation of why she felt that way.
SamuraiCO
05-25-2014, 07:23
Another product of the entitlement/victomhood mentality of the progressive left. Guess it applies to all income ranges now.
This case clearly shows "sensible" gun laws and gun free zones do not work. He killed his first three victoms with a knife and tried more than once with his car. His rant spoke about later getting the SUV to make it easier to kill more with that vehicle than his BMW sedan. He was motivated to kill by any means and just used the tools at his disposal.
I pray for peace for the victims. I see civil suits coming and the politicians are printing off new anti gun legislation for Tuesday morning.
buffalobo
05-25-2014, 08:52
Another product of the entitlement/victomhood mentality of the progressive left. Guess it applies to all income ranges now.
This case clearly shows "sensible" gun laws and gun free zones do not work. He killed his first three victoms with a knife and tried more than once with his car. His rant spoke about later getting the SUV to make it easier to kill more with that vehicle than his BMW sedan. He was motivated to kill by any means and just used the tools at his disposal.
I pray for peace for the victims. I see civil suits coming and the politicians are printing off new anti gun legislation for Tuesday morning.
Well said.
lobbed from my electronic ball and chain
It's no wonder women shied away from him.
That's what the wife said. This guy was probably emitting the 'creep vibe' so much, that women wouldn't have anything to do with him.
10mm-man
05-25-2014, 10:41
On fox news last night one of the guests was a woman shrink. She said after watching the video the first time she thought he was a heterosexual who was completely frustrated by lack of success with women. However, after watching it a few more times she came to the belief that he is actually a frustrated homosexual. I didn't hear an explanation of why she felt that way.
Look at the way he acts; 1st thing I thought was he was a homo.
Apparently, he was on a number of websites that cater to men that need help socializing with women and are willing to pay for DVD's that he felt he was scammed by (my wife's research on the topic, not mine).
If the "everyone gets a prize" mentality continues in youthful society, I cannot help but think this type of acting out is only going to increase.
Just watched the video. What a fake ass drama queen.
Apparently, he was on a number of websites that cater to men that need help socializing with women and are willing to pay for DVD's that he felt he was scammed by (my wife's research on the topic, not mine).
If the "everyone gets a prize" mentality continues in youthful society, I cannot help but think this type of acting out is only going to increase.
Encountered a couple of Boulder kids the other day. First thing I though of, when I watched the vid, was these two kids in ten years. Everything they could want on a silver platter but no social guidance what-so-ever.
Just heard on the news tonight that this whack job had been receiving mental health care since he was 8. His own family saw the signs and went to the authorities. A welfare check by the police didn't find anything unusual....and this happened.
Gotta go after guns and lawful gun owners, because you can't fix crazy or label anyone that desperately needs it.
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Not generalizing, just making a point that there are more out there than we want to think about.
speedysst
05-26-2014, 07:23
I read another article on this subject this morning and one of the commenters asked that since he murdered just as many people with a knife as he did a gun., and used a car as a weapon, why is he called a "gunman." The response was for the OP to go back to his "NRA manifesto." At least one response included the simple fact that if you call him a gunman and focus on the gun, you can rile up the anti gun crowd. My thought was simply: Thou shalt NOT deviate from the agenda!
Great-Kazoo
05-26-2014, 07:53
I read another article on this subject this morning and one of the commenters asked that since he murdered just as many people with a knife as he did a gun., and used a car as a weapon, why is he called a "gunman." The response was for the OP to go back to his "NRA manifesto." At least one response included the simple fact that if you call him a gunman and focus on the gun, you can rile up the anti gun crowd. My thought was simply: Thou shalt NOT deviate from the agenda!
There's a lot more than 1 commenter saying the same thing. Let the AG's scream for something to be done, The ratio of car / knife victims to shooting is 2-1. Not that an AG agenda cares about Facts. However The Facts have a lot of people asking Why focus on the gun when other weapons were used, along with potential LE dropping the ball, as they did with Holmes
BPTactical
05-26-2014, 07:58
^To The Grey. There are some dumb fawks here. Sad reality.
I like this guy...to an extent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQY76gpImmA
The wife and I cannot agree more with this guy.
Fuck that spoiled rotten little rich kid that couldn't get his wee wee wet.
And at 22, I really wasn't too worried about getting laid. I was worried about going to work and paying bills. If I scored some hunny at the bar or a party great! If I didn't, oh well, when your not looking for it, it will come along.
The women he associated with probably figured he was a bitch anyway.
OtterbatHellcat
05-26-2014, 08:14
Just watched the video. What a fake ass drama queen.
This.
Two minutes in, and I wanted to punch him in the face. It took some effort to watch the whole video.
wctriumph
05-26-2014, 09:14
Prayers on the way up for the victims and their families.
I have met a lot of people in the movie/tv industry and almost without exception, the people that are in the creative end of the business such as directors, writers, art directors, costume designers, talent, etc., are living on another planet. They seem to feel that because they are creative or rich or artistic that they are somehow more enlightened than the rest of us and therefore superior in all aspects to the rest of us. They seem to feel that they are entitled to tell everyone else that they are always right and you are always wrong. I will say the while the talent is on another planet, they were among the nicest people I have met, they just are more into their art and are not inclined to consider anything outside of the art. I would wager that his parents were more into their art than into their kid and some innocent people paid the price of that art. Don't they have massage parlors in Isla Vista? So sad.
That said, I would wager that CA politicians are of the same mindset as well.
10mm-man
05-26-2014, 22:21
OK, well it looks like, we shall all be going down the road everyone is screaming for: Mental health.
I think this is going to be as bad or worse than just recalling the 2nd amendment. Why? because I don't agree with: "a national database that the government will keep [on them]"
More Government oversight that can be abused..... Anyone want to tell me; how this is going to keep people from doing what they have been doing for thousands of years; Killing?
Connecticut Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal told CBS’ Face the Nation on Sunday he will urge Congress to take up gun legislation that failed to pass following the Sandy Hook massacre. - See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/senator-moves-reintroduced-failed-gun-bills-following-ca-shooting-42782/#sthash.UQnD9pkr.dpuf
http://www.teaparty.org/senator-moves-reintroduced-failed-gun-bills-following-ca-shooting-42782/
In January, the Department of Health and Human Services proposed a number of new regulations that would include entering health records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which gun dealers are required to use prior to selling firearms to customers. The proposed legislation conflicted with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, a patient privacy law.
Mental health officials said the regulations would discourage people with mental problems from seeking treatment due to the fear of being included in a government database.
“I think it’s a bad idea. It would really put a chill on people getting services. They find it very scary — the idea of a national database that the government will keep [on them],” said Daniel Fisher, who was treated for schizophrenia and is currently a mental health advocate.
BPTactical
05-27-2014, 05:29
They aren't going to touch it in an election year.
If they get the majority in the House and Senate, God help us.
XC700116
05-27-2014, 09:45
Ok, I agree federal databases are bad, but the hypocrisy is about sickening. The same people that will scream for gun registration and every other thing they can come up with are the same ones that suddenly have a stroke of logic in realizing that creating what amounts to a registry of mentally ill folks would discourage them from getting help.
[facepalm]
68Charger
05-27-2014, 10:15
If they're so mentally ill that they shouldn't have access to guns, should they really be allowed in public unsupervised?
If they aren't allowed to buy one, they could steal one, or just run people down with their car for that matter...
Zundfolge
05-27-2014, 10:20
If they're so mentally ill that they shouldn't have access to guns, should they really be allowed in public unsupervised?
If they aren't allowed to buy one, they could steal one, or just run people down with their car for that matter...
The other problem is who defines "mentally ill"?
Leave it up to the leftist and anyone that doesn't agree with them 100% is "mentally ill". Soviet psychiatric hospitals were full of political dissidents.
colorider
05-27-2014, 10:55
They can always get a knife, flammable products, gunpowder etc.. If they are that whacked they need to be monitored closely or in an institution. Access to guns is a small part of the issue
68Charger
05-27-2014, 11:00
The other problem is who defines "mentally ill"?
Leave it up to the leftist and anyone that doesn't agree with them 100% is "mentally ill". Soviet psychiatric hospitals were full of political dissidents.
Agreed- but my point is that it has NOTHING to do with guns, and everything to do with someone who is a danger to others... attempting to limit their access to one method they could harm others is worthless, they're just a dangerous person.
SuperiorDG
05-27-2014, 11:13
The other problem is who defines "mentally ill"?
Leave it up to the leftist and anyone that doesn't agree with them 100% is "mentally ill". Soviet psychiatric hospitals were full of political dissidents.
Yep, one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Zundfolge
05-27-2014, 11:36
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/05/27/Sheriff-s-Dept-Describes-Horrific-Santa-Barbara-Stabbings-Releases-Victims-Names
The sad truth that the anti-gun idiots won't admit to is that if one of this monster's first three victims had been licensed to carry, nobody would know about this story and a bunch of people would still be alive and unharmed.
colorider
05-27-2014, 13:00
Again, his first three were stabbed. Another that was injured he plowed into w his car. But it's the gun that is the evil item.
kidicarus13
05-27-2014, 22:01
^To The Grey. There are some dumb fawks here. Sad reality.
I like this guy...to an extent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQY76gpImmA
The Profanity Police are looking into if this video is appropriate or not.
Superorb
05-28-2014, 09:30
Oh boo hoo, the kid wasn't getting laid, let's all cry him a river because his life is so unfair :rolleyes: I hate little punks like this... Their whole life is handed to them on a silver platter and the first time they encounter some adversity they want to end the world. The real world sucks, but that's life.
10mm-man
06-11-2014, 22:56
For all screaming for the .GOV to address "mental illness"; you sure you really want the .GOV to go there?
One particularly troubling mental health label being applied to veterans and others who challenge the status quo is “oppositional defiance disorder” (ODD). As journalist Anthony Martin explains, an ODD diagnosis
In the four years since the start of Operation Vigilant Eagle, the government has steadily ramped up its campaign to “silence” dissidents, especially those with military backgrounds. Coupled with the DHS’ dual reports on Rightwing and Leftwing “Extremism,” which broadly define extremists as individuals and groups “that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely,” these tactics have boded ill for anyone seen as opposing the government.
http://www.truthandaction.org/veterans-arrested-anti-obama-facebook-posts-police-militarized-veterans/
For all screaming for the .GOV to address "mental illness"; you sure you really want the .GOV to go there?
Hell no. We do not need any more thoughtcrime beyond the already abused conspiracy charge. That is where this is going.
Some of the things I see people support right now are absurd (like that is anything new).
The gun violence restraining order which is sure to pass in CA is at the top of the list. A sworn statement that you think someone is dangerous, just exaggerate something misheard, and their guns are gone. Sure they can challenge it and get them back. *wink*
So if the person really is dangerous you have escalated the situation. They are still free and dangerous and now are legitimately angry. Maybe they'll use a knife & car like they guy prompting this thread, it is not like you can take away all weapons and allow them to remain free.
If the person was not dangerous you have just railroaded an innocent.
Great-Kazoo
06-12-2014, 12:59
Would violate due process, wouldn't stand for long.
It will take years for the appeal to work it's way through the CA court system.
10mm-man
06-12-2014, 19:01
Would violate due process, wouldn't stand for long.
O well in that case! Let me relax now..... thanks!
Wonder if the folks that have been caught up in this know this?
"In the four years since the start of Operation Vigilant Eagle, the government has steadily ramped up its campaign to “silence” dissidents, especially those with military backgrounds. Coupled with the DHS’ dual reports on Rightwing and Leftwing “Extremism,” which broadly define extremists as individuals and groups “that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely,” these tactics have boded ill for anyone seen as opposing the government."
It will take years for the appeal to work it's way through the CA court system. What court does a "mental illness" such as “oppositional defiance disorder” (ODD) go to be appealed?
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