XTREME BULLETS 223 ANY ACCURATE LOAD?

[bellavite1]

I have been using them for plinking, but now that I am trying to get my 20" 1-7 dpms to stretch its legs...no love.
I am no sharpshooter, but i typycally keep my 308 groups well under 1".
I am finally starting to understand wind, but i cannot get any group smaller than 4 Moas.
Trigger is stock and i get about the same results with irons or scope.
I still get my hits at 300 with irons on a torso sized target but wth...
Before i start throwing money at triggers and such (timney?), are these xtreme bullets just" plinking" cheapos or did anybody have any luck with a good load?
I load them over Varget, 25gr.
Bullets are 55 gr plated.
They are quite cheap at $45 for 500.
Am i asking too much of them?

[jerrymrc]

Slow them down. I looked and they are FMJ not plated. I also noticed that with other loads on some boards that they do not like going fast. Some 1-7 with 55gr pills have issues. Try backing it down and see. I know my best 55gr loads out of my 1-7 run around 2700. I tried getting up and over the hump but that did not work.

I may have to try them but it sounds like some of my others. Out of all the 55gr pills I have the V-max and IMI surplus shoot the best. the winchester's, Hornaday, GWB and a no-name 55gr all give me a pretty large group.

If you want to "stretch it's legs" with a 1-7 you need to buy larger 69 and up bullets since you are loading Varget anyway. IMO Varget is a waste on 55gr plinking rounds. Just my two cents. [Flower]

[bellavite1]

Slow them down. I looked and they are FMJ not plated. I also noticed that with other loads on some boards that they do not like going fast. Some 1-7 with 55gr pills have issues. Try backing it down and see. I know my best 55gr loads out of my 1-7 run around 2700. I tried getting up and over the hump but that did not work.

I may have to try them but it sounds like some of my others. Out of all the 55gr pills I have the V-max and IMI surplus shoot the best. the winchester's, Hornaday, GWB and a no-name 55gr all give me a pretty large group.



If you want to "stretch it's legs" with a 1-7 you need to buy larger 69 and up bullets since you are loading Varget anyway. IMO Varget is a waste on 55gr plinking rounds. Just my two cents. [Flower]
Mhh...According to my Lyman manual 25 gr of Varget is the minimum charge.
I use Varget for convenience, since that is what I use in my 308, but then again Varget has not been easy to come by lately, so I am more than open to suggestions.
I could only find IMI tracers, any source?
How about powder/load (I do understand YMMV[Coffee])?

[jerrymrc]

Mhh...According to my Lyman manual 25 gr of Varget is the minimum charge.
I use Varget for convenience, since that is what I use in my 308, but then again Varget has not been easy to come by lately, so I am more than open to suggestions.
I could only find IMI tracers, any source?
How about powder/load (I do understand YMMV[Coffee])?

The IMI surplus bullets have been gone for some time. I bought a bunch years ago. I will look in my load book but my loads with 55gr are using WC844.

[ChadAmberg]

My recipe uses 24.6 gr of Varget, and that's not the slowest. Hornady 9th goes down to 22.something grains.

45231

[Great-Kazoo]

Mhh...According to my Lyman manual 25 gr of Varget is the minimum charge.
I use Varget for convenience, since that is what I use in my 308, but then again Varget has not been easy to come by lately, so I am more than open to suggestions.
I could only find IMI tracers, any source?
How about powder/load (I do understand YMMV[Coffee])?

Lyman's load data is one of many you need to look at.
Lyman shows a different measure for 2230, X-terminator, TAC and CFE223, than the mfgs load data from last year. Not the revised one from this year, which is lower. You will see variation from Hornady too.
I as others will suggest, is start at the low end and work up in increments. Using 2230 i started @
22.5 up to 24 grs. The load was done in .2
The best results out of a 1:9 was using 23, for overall consistency / performance. Pushing a load faster doesn't always equate to better results. Buy 2-3 different 1lb of powder and see which nets you better results.
Unfortunately securing ANY powder in quantity is almost non-existent.

[bellavite1]

Nice.
Thank you all.
I will strt decreasing charges and see where it takes me...
If nothing else I will save some powder!
[Beer]

[HoneyBadger]

Using H335 and FC once-fired brass, I loaded Xtremebullets 55 gr FMJs to shoot sub-MOA from a 14.5" 1:7 palmetto state barrel.

Bullets are just one factor of many, but in your case, I don't think they are the primary reason for your large groups.



I will strt decreasing charges and see where it takes me...
If nothing else I will save some powder!

sounds like a good place to start.

[MarkCO]

Varget and 55FMJs are not going to give you the best accuracy, especially out of a 1:7.

XTerm, H335 and 2230 are going to be the better powders for the lighter bullets. It will also cut down on barrel, gas port and muzzle device erosion.

[sportbikeco]

I think you have some factors working against you from the start here.

long distance with cheap (inconsistant) bullets and too fast of a twist. sometimes you have to pay to play.

[MarkCO]

Before i start throwing money at triggers and such (timney?), are these xtreme bullets just" plinking" cheapos or did anybody have any luck with a good load?

Am i asking too much of them?

I know most of the Freedom Munitions (Sister to Xtreme) sponsored shooters pretty well and they don't use the 55s much, if at all past 100 yards. There are better triggers than Timney.

If you want, would be willing to meet you at Clear Creek or CRC. I have some Freedom factory 69s you can try and we can test out a few other parameters.

Triggers of course do not affect inherent accuracy, but if you can't keep the trigger from moving the gun because it is poor, then yes, that will have an effect on groups.

[bellavite1]

Well, stupid me:
I double checked and my twist is 1-9 on a 20" barrell.
So I guess the 55 gr should not be such a factor after all.
I also read that 62 gr is still better than 55gr in a 1-9.
How much of a difference, all other factors being equal would it make?
Anybody has good deals on 62gr?
Would H335 still be a better powder on a 62 gr 1-9 20"?
I am confused...

[Great-Kazoo]

Well, stupid me:
I double checked and my twist is 1-9 on a 20" barrell.
So I guess the 55 gr should not be such a factor after all.
I also read that 62 gr is still better than 55gr in a 1-9.
How much of a difference, all other factors being equal would it make?
Anybody has good deals on 62gr?
Would H335 still be a better powder on a 62 gr 1-9 20"?
I am confused...

there is no problem running 55 gr in any twist 1:7 - 1:14 have given me good results. The 1:14 was a Howa 20" bolt.
I'd try different powder and the 55's you have on hand, before using 62's. No sense getting frustrated with another weight bullet and powder.

335 has good load data for the 55 & 62. You're more likely to find 55's availability easier than 62.

[crays]

Anybody has good deals on 62gr?


I got some of these (http://www.bulletheads.com/) in 62g to try, but haven't loaded any yet. They look decent, but I know that doesn't necessarily equate to accuracy.

[bellavite1]

Off to try H335...
Starting at 24.4 gr with 55gr bullets...
Stand by...

[JackRyan]

I just bought some Xtremebullets 55 gr FMJs. I loaded up 200 of them. I'll let you know how they do.

[JackRyan]

I just bought some Xtremebullets 55 gr FMJs. I loaded up 200 of them. I'll let you know how they do.
I shot a total of 60 rnds 55 gr FMJ Xtreme with IMR 4064 powder with 23.1 grain, 24.4 grain and 24.7 grain. None of which seemed very accurate. I didn't notice really any difference with each load. I had shot 150 of Hornady 55 grain FMJ IMR 4064and I was touching the 1/2 bulls eye at 50 yard’s. So I’m going to try a little more powder. Any thoughts?

[Great-Kazoo]

I shot a total of 60 rnds 55 gr FMJ Xtreme with IMR 4064 powder with 23.1 grain, 24.4 grain and 24.7 grain. None of which seemed very accurate. I didn't notice really any difference with each load. I had shot 150 of Hornady 55 grain FMJ IMR 4064and I was touching the 1/2 bulls eye at 50 yard’s. So I’m going to try a little more powder. Any thoughts?

What load data are you going with? That IMR or Accurate 4064, I'd try something a little faster burn rate. The xtreme 55's have always held good (for me) groups out to 200.

I run TAC, 2230 Xterminator or CFE223. 22.5 - 23.5gr depending on fmj or JSP's

[HoneyBadger]

FWIW, I didn't get very good groups with IMR 4064 either, from 23.1 to 24.9gr. Average was 2.14" at 100yds.

[JackRyan]

What load data are you going with? That IMR or Accurate 4064, I'd try something a little faster burn rate. The xtreme 55's have always held good (for me) groups out to 200.

I run TAC, 2230 Xterminator or CFE223. 22.5 - 23.5gr depending on fmj or JSP's

Thanks for the tip.

[JackRyan]

FWIW, I didn't get very good groups with IMR 4064 either, from 23.1 to 24.9gr. Average was 2.14" at 100yds.

Good to know....Thanks