Spanish music at Sportsman Warehouse in Springs

[Jumpstart]

Let me preface this post with: I was born, raised and educuated (MS for what that's worth) in 2 counties that border Mexico (lived there 30 years). So anyway today @ 11:00 I walk into SW in CS and a song in Spanish is playing. My first thought was... WTH. I kept shopping. Next song, in Spanish. Hmmmmm, apparently the dude running the music likes Spanish music and is playing it in the Sportsman warehouse in Colorado Springs, USA. Next song English. The 4th song of my stay in Spanish. I put down the $189.00 Danner boots I was planning to buy and left. Now let me postface this post. I am bi-lingual, as in fluent in Spanish. What say you all about this experience?

[GunTroll]

I just love Ricky Martin!Hope you got to hear one of his songs!

[ryanek9freak]

I never noticed they even play music in there.

[ssf467]

Can you edit this as it might seem racist to some....

[MrPrena]

I don't mind listening to spanish (or any foreign language) music as long as it is about supporting 2nd admendment.

:)

[Jumpstart]

Can you edit this as it might seem racist to some....

Oh yeah, and why is that?

[Jumpstart]

Can you edit this as it might seem racist to some....

Actually dude, I take offense at your comment and the request to have mine edited. I understand the forum and it's rules. Sportsman Warehouse is in the realm of the shooting sports and this thread is simply a relation to an experience I had. I found it odd, so I posted on it. Not that I should even have to justify the thread to begin with.

[Dr_Fwd]

music? what music?

[Irish]

Ba-la-la-la LaBamba! Bai la la la LaBamba... Uhhh what was the question?
I don't see anything odd about playing any type of music in an environment where people are. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with multi-culturalism. Don't be afraid of what you don't understand. Some of the most beautiful Guitar work in the world can be found in Spanish music. More people get offended at me when I blast SlipKnot through my Subs than when they here Music from another part of the world.

[Jumpstart]

Ba-la-la-la LaBamba! Bai la la la LaBamba... Uhhh what was the question?
I don't see anything odd about playing any type of music in an environment where people are. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with multi-culturalism. Don't be afraid of what you don't understand. Some of the most beautiful Guitar work in the world can be found in Spanish music. More people get offended at me when I blast SlipKnot through my Subs than when they here Music from another part of the world.

Dude, I prefaced the thread by stating that I was born, raised and educated on the border for over 30 years. How would I "be afraid of what I don't understand?" I AM the one who understands. Does anyone else?

[libertyordeath]

Actually dude, I take offense at your comment and the request to have mine edited. I understand the forum and it's rules. Sportsman Warehouse is in the realm of the shooting sports and this thread is simply a relation to an experience I had. I found it odd, so I posted on it. Not that I should even have to justify the thread to begin with.
Easy, dude. He's messing with you.

You had the right free market response. If you don't like something about a vendor, then let them know by not buying their goods.

[bjl913]

I have heard this in alot of places, and it struck me as odd too. I noticed it in the lobby of the Omni hotel in broomfield. Noticed it in GNC too... And it wasnt like it was just one song. they played a few songs in english, then in spanish, and back to english.

Because I saw it as odd can I be called a racist too?!?!

[MrPrena]

Dude, I prefaced the thread by stating that I was born, raised and educated on the border for over 30 years. How would I "be afraid of what I don't understand?" I AM the one who understands. Does anyone else?

I think i know what you are trying to say. Are you saying that music isn't suitable for typical retailers plays on the air?
For an example, if i goto Italian restaurant, it is kinda odd to hear Spanish music. If i goto Japanese restaurant, it is odd to hear Chinese (Mandarin) music.

If i goto McDonald and hear classic (for example at the Flatiron McDonald), it is little odd. I am so use to hearing fast pace music at a fastfood restaurant. Not in a level it bothers me, but I say "wow, this McDonald is playing classical! hehe"


Well, it is storemanager's and corporate's decision to put that music. Also, it was your decision not to hear that music and leave. Nothing wrong with that. :)

[GunTroll]

I could care less what they play in the store. I don't like the store! Nothing in stock and the gun monkeys behind the counter are too high on themselves with their all knowing endless knowledge. YOU WORK FOR CORPORATE AMERICA DUCHE for a buck over minimum wage! They could play Arabic music for all I care. They get nada $ from me.

I'm tired of people who care about what others think is "racial" The poster didn't say.....well I'll refrain from that. He simply stated he thought it odd to play "Spanish" note that he didn't say Mexican music in a store known to draw....say redneck types. Bunch of south of the border polka music anyways. Lots of treble and very little bass! There now get on me for my opinion! Lets be tolerable to all! Sounds like lib talk to me. I'd rather hear....lets embrace the country we now live in because its better than the one I left!

[Colorado Luckydog]

I'm with you Jumpstart. I hate it when I make a phone call and it starts off "if you want english press one". It should say "If you want to live in America LEARN ENGLISH!!!! I think they have the right to play spanish music if they want! I know I have the right to spend my money elsewhere and I would exercise that right.

[Colorado Luckydog]

Can you edit this as it might seem racist to some....

Please edit this statement to keep the poster from sounding like a liberal.

[GunTroll]

[rofl1]hahahahahahahahahah!

[GunTroll]

All joking aside he definitely is no lib!

[Jumpstart]

In the final analysis my point is, you (we) are being led down a path.

Ustedes van a necesitar a escuchar a Obama. Aprendan espanol porque no estamos cuidando nuestro pais, nuestra frontera ni nuestra cultura. Esta fue mi punto. ?Me intienden todos?

[GunTroll]

No fair! I'm not bi-lingual unless you count drunken caucasian!

[ssf467]

:)

[ChunkyMonkey]

You have the right not purchase those boots as much as they have the right to play whatever they want. It's still a free country. I am not saying that it was smart for them to loose clients over it. I am saying that in order to protect and preserve my right, I must respect others too.

On cases like this, I typically walk away and spend my $$ somewhere else. Big freaking deal [Beer]

[Colorado Luckydog]

No fair! I'm not bi-lingual unless you count drunken caucasian!
LMFAO!![ROFL2]

[Jumpstart]

No fair! I'm not bi-lingual unless you count drunken caucasian!

I hear that if you go down to the Sportsman Warehouse they can help you on that a little....

[Marlin]

Heck,, unless it's Blue Oyster Cult,,, I don't pay attention to the music they play anyway...[Tooth]

[GunTroll]

I hear that if you go down to the Sportsman Warehouse they can help you on that a little....

With.....FREE BOOSE! or something else that I don't really care about. I'm not LE or in any position to need to learn another language other than the one my parents taught me. I'm in denial I guess but English is our National language whether our gov sees that or not.

[ryanek9freak]

In the final analysis my point is, you (we) are being led down a path.

Ustedes van a necesitar a escuchar a Obama. Aprendan espanol porque no estamos cuidando nuestro pais, nuestra frontera ni nuestra cultura. Esta fue mi punto. ?Me intienden todos?


I get your point. lol.

[GunTroll]

BOC I love em'!

[sniper7]

I didn't even know they played music in there.

doesn't matter. i heard today Colorado denied sportsmans warehouse chapter 11 and they will ALL be shutting down.
I was wondering where there is no new product really showing up in the thornton location other than stuff that is already in the warehouse.

[GunTroll]

Is this a creditably source on the closing? Um, not that I care other than the lose of the peoples jobs who work there.

[Colorado Luckydog]

Is this a creditably source on the closing? Um, not that I care other than the lose of the peoples jobs who work there.
X2 Not even what I've been hearing. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just hoping your wrong.

[Colorado Osprey]

I'd like to know the real skinny on the possible closure in Springs.

I have a gift certificate that hasn't been spent that is 8 months old because they didn't have what I wanted in stock.... Don't want to loose out.
Do I need to spend it now?

EDIT...
Went down today and spent the remaining balance on optics

[RRD3]

Please edit this statement to keep the poster from sounding like a liberal.



LMAO [ROFL1]

[sniper7]

He knew they were filing chapter 11 before it was out on the news. So I am guessing it is pretty credible.
maybe they will work around it or not shut them down.

I thought they sold off the thornton store to another owner and they were going to save it...but it doesn't explain why they don't get any powder or primers or handguns in.

[Pancho Villa]

I have nothing against spanish music, except for the fact that it sucks.

(Can an American with 1 parent from Mexico be called racist for that? Lets find out.)

Seriously though, maybe the guy running the sound board that day liked Spanish music. I dunno what the big deal is or why one ought to get upset about it. As someone before said I'm more upset about their bad prices and low stocks.

[Tristan]

Because this is America. They should only play Metallica in the stores, lol. :)
I am sick of companies trying to cater to illegals. Or any single race. That's what begets racism anyways.
Racist? No.
Hater? Yes. At least according to the definition nowadays.
I think breaking the law is a bad thing, and I don't like people who do. I guess that makes me a hater.
I don't like fags. It's an abomination of nature and religion. It's neither normal or natural. WTF is a homo doing judging a Miss America Pageant anyways?! I guess that makes me a hater.
I don't like the wind. A breeze is cool, but not the 30+ mph stuff. I guess that makes me a hater.
Whatever. The list is endless, lol.
It will be a cold day in hell when I cater to such.
I was married to a mexican gal for eight years. Might explain my bias, lmao.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I don't like fags. It's an abomination of nature and religion. It's neither normal or natural. WTF is a homo doing judging a Miss America Pageant anyways?! I guess that makes me a hater.
.

hahaha... i am glad someone else sees the irony on this one.

[Jumpstart]

Unless Sportsman is going to roll out a Mexican food spread and the Mexican beer and spirits, I really don't care to hear Spanish music in a sporting goods store in the USA.

[theGinsue]

I cant stand Mexican muic either. This actually keeps me from eating at many "mexican" restaurants - it is like fingernails down a chalkboard to me (I must admit to having limited preferences in music so Mexican muic isn't the only music I can't stand).

Darrin, the store manager was working the Sportsmans show this weekend and (I'm guessing) thats why this was allowed to occur. I have to deliver something to him this week and Ill bring it up along with the fact that it ran off a lot of customers (okay, in fairness I've only heard here that it ran off 1 customer, but it would have run me off if I had been there).

While I'm there, I'll see if he can/will provide me with the 411 on their staying in business relating to the effects of the Chap 11 denial.

[ryanek9freak]

I've heard that the COS store is one of the only ones to remain open, as they are quite profitable.

[Irving]

Playing Spanish music is not catering to illegals, it is catering to the actual (or perceived) majority of your customers. If you're going to walk out of a store because you don't like something about it, you should at least consider telling them, otherwise, it makes no difference.

[Pancho Villa]

Only illegals listen to Mexican music. Everyone knows that.

Fight illegal immigration, play more heavy metal.

Someone mentioned mexican food earlier. Does anyone know a good mexican/texmex place in the front range? Its damnably difficult to find good either here, esp when I am used to (literally) having a fantastic taco stand just down the block from me (go Dallas, aka El Dallaso.)

So far I've got as good places: Haciendas Colorado (best so far) in the Tech Center, Jose Muldoons in the Springs and Three Margaritas in Castle Rock. Anyone know any others?

[Irving]

There are about 1,000 good mexican food places around town. Doesn't sound like you're looking hard enough.

I'm a big fan of Jose O'shea's on 6th and Simms in Lakewood. Gordo's on 44th and Wads (temporarily, until they go back to their old location at 6th and Sheridan). We used to eat a lot at The Montery House. It used to be on 6th and Wads, but now it is off of Kipling in Wheat Ridge (north of I-70), but I forget exactly where. Up north in the Federal Heights, Westminster, Thornton area, there are more carnicaritas than gas stations if you are looking for stuff more authentic.

[xjtwo]

Try El Taco Rey or Salsa Latinas in the Springs, family owned goodness!

[GunTroll]

I'll just eat my burger and freedom fries thanks!

[Jumpstart]

Playing Spanish music is not catering to illegals, it is catering to the actual (or perceived) majority of your customers. If you're going to walk out of a store because you don't like something about it, you should at least consider telling them, otherwise, it makes no difference.

So if playing Spanish music isn't catering to illegals or there is no other agenda behind it, why was the entire customer base that morning in Sportsman's presumably white and English speaking, yet in the 20 minutes I was in there 3 out of 4 songs where in Spanish in a Sporting goods store in the USA? I'm just waiting to see an answer on that one from the peeps on the site.

* I agree, telling them is vital for communicating. I'm doing it in a roundabout way here at present.

[GunTroll]

http://www.sonypictures.com/groups/us/documents/image/gp027209.jpg

Tell these guys they suck!

[Irving]

So if playing Spanish music isn't catering to illegals or there is no other agenda behind it, why was the entire customer base that morning in Sportsman's presumably white and English speaking, yet in the 20 minutes I was in there 3 out of 4 songs where in Spanish in a Sporting goods store in the USA? I'm just waiting to see an answer on that one from the peeps on the site.


Like I said,


Playing Spanish music is not catering to illegals, it is catering to the actual (or perceived) majority of your customers.

[ChunkyMonkey]

this thing still alive? PRINT these whole 5 pages out and fax it to them... see what they say [Coffee]

[Irving]

That's actually a pretty good idea.

[Jumpstart]

So Sturtle, Who is Home Depot catering to?

[Jumpstart]

http://www.sonypictures.com/groups/us/documents/image/gp027209.jpg

Tell these guys they suck!

These dudes aren't in the league of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson. [Stooge]

[Irving]

I've been to Home Depot so much lately, but I don't ever remember any music. Home Depot and Lowes are totally kicking ass right now though, since people aren't buying new homes, they are just taking on projects themselves.

Wait, are you talking about illegals hanging out in front of Home Depot trying to get work? I've never actually seen that, so I'm not sure.

[Jumpstart]

I've been to Home Depot so much lately, but I don't ever remember any music. Home Depot and Lowes are totally kicking ass right now though, since people aren't buying new homes, they are just taking on projects themselves.

Wait, are you talking about illegals hanging out in front of Home Depot trying to get work? I've never actually seen that, so I'm not sure.

Nope not talking about loitering. Now I'm talking about signs, not music.

[Irving]

I don't know what signs you mean. Oh, how everything is bi-lingual? It's the same at every large store and has to do with generating business. If Home Depot doesn't have bi-lingual signs, but Lowes does, guess who gets all of that market? No one should be offended by bi-lingual signs. They aren't mandatory, and the company chooses to spend the money making them, because they know that they'll make more than the cost back. That is just smart business, and anyone who wants to make money should follow suit. It's not Home Depot and Walmart's fault that people don't learn English, and removing those signs will do nothing to encourage people to learn the language, but it will potentially clog up the isles and counteract many of the other things businesses do to streamline their stores.

[Jumpstart]

I don't know what signs you mean. Oh, how everything is bi-lingual? It's the same at every large store and has to do with generating business. If Home Depot doesn't have bi-lingual signs, but Lowes does, guess who gets all of that market? No one should be offended by bi-lingual signs. They aren't mandatory, and the company chooses to spend the money making them, because they know that they'll make more than the cost back. That is just smart business, and anyone who wants to make money should follow suit. It's not Home Depot and Walmart's fault that people don't learn English, and removing those signs will do nothing to encourage people to learn the language, but it will potentially clog up the isles and counteract many of the other things businesses do to streamline their stores.

Sounds like your trying do do some side stepping. You aren't telling anyone anything they don't already know. Why are signs in Spanish "good business" when the illegal immigration topic is so contentious? Why have signs in Spanish in areas where no one or a miniscule few understand it? Why are signs in Spanish "necessary" now, but weren't 10 to 15 years ago and prior? I'm just being rhetorical. I know the answer, I just want to see who else does and who else wants to pretend they don't.

[Irving]

Well, first of all, I can't flat out deny that people don't cater to illegals. I wish it weren't true, but it is.

As to why there are signs that are bilingual where people don't even hardly speak Spanish, is the same reason that there is braille on drive up atm machines. Just that it cuts costs to produce only one style of button, and use it in all machines, than to pay for two different molds.

Check the differences in population percentages of Hispanics now and what they were 15 years ago, and you'll likely get your answer about why it is apparently important now, and not then. By the way, I know you know, but you asked and called me on it, so I felt like I had to answer anyway.

[Jumpstart]

Well, first of all, I can't flat out deny that people don't cater to illegals. I wish it weren't true, but it is.

As to why there are signs that are bilingual where people don't even hardly speak Spanish, is the same reason that there is braille on drive up atm machines. Just that it cuts costs to produce only one style of button, and use it in all machines, than to pay for two different molds.

Check the differences in population percentages of Hispanics now and what they were 15 years ago, and you'll likely get your answer about why it is apparently important now, and not then. By the way, I know you know, but you asked and called me on it, so I felt like I had to answer anyway.

So I guess we are back to catering to illegal aliens theme. I think a monoligual Spanish speaker can look at a can a paint and read "paint" and understand what it is, now and 20 years ago. As for printing signs, it is easier and cheaper to omit a second set of printing, one would think.
Oh btw, the State of New Mexico prints all of their legal documents/ballots in Spanish as well as English. I thought one had to be citizen to vote, and subsequently to get citizenship, have a working knowledge of English. Not anymore.

[Mtn.man]

These dudes aren't in the league of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson. [Stooge]

you forgot Steve McQueen, Yule Brenner, Lee Van Cleefe, James Garner, James Coburn, Ben Johnson, Gene Autry, Audy Murphy, Roy Rogers, Jimmy Stewart, Tom Selleck, Kurt Russell, Sam Elliot, Will Rogers,, damn I can't remember all of them.

[GunTroll]

These dudes aren't in the league of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson. [Stooge]

Definitely not even close. But they do play Spanish music!

[Jumpstart]

you forgot Steve McQueen, Yule Brenner, Lee Van Cleefe, James Garner, James Coburn, Ben Johnson, Gene Autry, Audy Murphy, Roy Rogers, Jimmy Stewart, Tom Selleck, Kurt Russell, Sam Elliot, Will Rogers,, damn I can't remember all of them.

Charlton Heston, Humphrey Bogart, James Cagney, Anyone else want to add names we haven't?

[RRD3]

There are many more reasons not to shop there. Like sales people that will not walk around the counter to help with a damn thing.

Just my .02 But it's just another reason to avoid that POS store.

[Mtn.man]

so are we including wal mart?

[Mtn.man]

personally for ammo and weapons I use Frankie and Rocco's conviently located somewhere.
Great deals cash only no ?'s and No answers...

[ChunkyMonkey]

since now we are 'expanding' the topic... next time you receive your property assessment report from the county, be sure to call them and say why in the hell everyone must pay for 'bilingual' classes in the public school. [Rant1]

[GunTroll]

I think for the most part all seem to agree that SW sucks and they can play what ever the hell they want to because I'm not listening anyways. Another store worthy of being shut down. Sorry for the employees though. Now they might have to find a job that they actually do some work and need to know something about what they are selling.

[Mtn.man]

The Wopper, or 1/4#er? LOL


(but we don't know what is in them)

[Jumpstart]

since now we are 'expanding' the topic... next time you receive your property assessment report from the county, be sure to call them and say why in the hell everyone must pay for 'bilingual' classes in the public school. [Rant1]

To top it off, the only ones becoming bi-lingual at taxpayeer expense is the Spanish speakers. Cultural imperialism via the silent invasion.

[Jumpstart]

To top it off, the only ones becoming bi-lingual at taxpayeer expense is the Spanish speakers. Cultural imperialism via the silent invasion.

Make that" the only ones becoming bi-lingual at taxpayer expense ARE the Spanish speakers"

[GunTroll]

The Wopper, or 1/4#er? LOL


(but we don't know what is in them)

[ROFL1]

[Pancho Villa]

I got a better one, next time you get your property taxes, call them up and ask them why you have to pay good money to send anyone's miserable kids to school.

[GunTroll]

I got a better one, next time you get your property taxes, call them up and ask them why you have to pay good money to send anyone's miserable kids to school.

Answer: to be indoctrinated into liberal thinking at our expense

[Mtn.man]

libs, think?

[Pancho Villa]

Answer: to be indoctrinated into liberal thinking at our expense

I dig you.

My point is that a lot of these "illegal immigrant" problems (schools, medical care, etc.,) are, in my mind, socialism problems. I have a problem with sending anyone else's kid to school, period - not just if they have to learn spanish, or if he's the kid of a pair of illegals, or whatever.

[Irving]

Kurt Russel? Seriously?

[GunTroll]

I thought of saying Kevin Cosner but though otherwise!

[Mtn.man]

Kurt has a shoot every year and a hunt on his property here in CO I did some work for him years ago and have been to a couple. Bruce Willis shoots, William Shatner, one of those women from Desperate houswives shoots and hunts.
Costner is a lefty, but likes money. Never seen him at a shoot.

[jackmode9316]

Playing Spanish music is not catering to illegals, it is catering to the actual (or perceived) majority of your customers.
I would think playing country music would be more catering to the perceived marjority of the customers not spanish.

[Irving]

I wrote perceived, because even if it seems like you have a lot of Mexicans coming into your store, they are still the minority. People make that mistake I think. They take more notice of Mexicans, and translate that to there being more of than then the standard customer.

[jackmode9316]

That makes sense. I still find it rather unappealing that they would know so damn little about their customer base.

[Zundfolge]

Nothing odd about it, you notice what part of town the Sportsman Warehouse is in? Every time I've gone there I guarantee you I'm the only Anglo shopper.

[jc121]

well maybe someone was just trying out a new cd that they bought down the street at the flea market. It could not of been worse than that junk they were playing at the last seratoma gun show.
I went in a few weeks ago to stare at the empty ammunition shelfs and was surprized to see some ammunition for sale. alas it was all 38 super so that may tie into the music also.
I really hope they do not close.

[Mtn.man]

maybe they need a request line....

[Jumpstart]

Nothing odd about it, you notice what part of town the Sportsman Warehouse is in? Every time I've gone there I guarantee you I'm the only Anglo shopper.

I'm calling bs on that. Big time.

Sounds like a bunch of you would be alright if we seceded Colorado to Mexico. Wow.....

[Pancho Villa]

Being okay with a private business playing spanish music - for whatever reason - means that its okay to secede Colorado to Mexico?

What planet are you on, man?

[ryanek9freak]

Who are you kidding? It already has been...

[Pancho Villa]

Are you serious?

[Jumpstart]

Being okay with a private business playing spanish music - for whatever reason - means that its okay to secede Colorado to Mexico?

What planet are you on, man?

Well what is the reason for playing 3 out of 4 songs in Spanish at a Sportsman's Warehouse in Colorado Springs at 11:00 on a Saturday morning? I didn't hear any Spanish speaking customers and by estimation 95% of the customers where white. I guess I'm on planet "aware my enviroment".

[Jumpstart]

Are you serious?

An observation: Pancho Villa raided Columbus, NM. in 1916 for the sole purpose of killing Americans. White Americans. He's no hero to me.

[Pancho Villa]

Well what is the reason for playing 3 out of 4 songs in Spanish at a Sportsman's Warehouse in Colorado Springs at 11:00 on a Saturday morning? I didn't hear any Spanish speaking customers and by estimation 95% of the customers where white. I guess I'm on planet "aware my enviroment".

Perhaps the guy in charge of putting music on that day, I dunno, likes that kind of music?

No, its a Sportsman's Warehouse conspiracy to accomodate us all to our new mexican overlords. While you're enlightening us, where can I pick up my Evil Mexican Conspiracy membership card? Since I'm half-mexican I think I may be able to qualify. I'll sneak into your cars while you sleep and turn all your presets to spanish radio stations! Muahahahaha!


An observation: Pancho Villa raided Columbus, NM. in 1916 for the sole purpose of killing Americans. White Americans. He's no hero to me.An observation: just because I put the name on here doesn't mean I idealize the old bandit as a hero. In addition, I have to ask: if they were non-white Americans would it have been okay, or did you say "white americans" for no reason whatsoever?

[GunTroll]

The thread that just won't die!

SW sucks no matter what they play.

End the thing already! Move to Greenland if you don't want to see Mexicans. They are here. They aren't leaving. Lets work on stopping the flow. Lets integrate the ones who want to call the USA home. Again SW sucks. Buy your stuff elsewhere and call ahead to see what music they are playing and plan to play. This is getting so old. I bet almost no one on this site is from America originally unless your an Indian or something. Hell CO us to be owned by Mexico didn't it. No surprise they wouldn't still be here or want to be here. If I was Mexican and it sucked were I was from I would do all I could to get out of there and go somewhere better. Can you blame the race for that!

[Jumpstart]

Perhaps the guy in charge of putting music on that day, I dunno, likes that kind of music?

No, its a Sportsman's Warehouse conspiracy to accomodate us all to our new mexican overlords. While you're enlightening us, where can I pick up my Evil Mexican Conspiracy membership card? Since I'm half-mexican I think I may be able to qualify. I'll sneak into your cars while you sleep and turn all your presets to spanish radio stations! Muahahahaha!

An observation: just because I put the name on here doesn't mean I idealize the old bandit as a hero. In addition, I have to ask: if they were non-white Americans would it have been okay, or did you say "white americans" for no reason whatsoever?

1. I stated that maybe the dude running the tunes @ may have liked the tunes that day.

2. Bingo.. It is a conspiracy all right. That's my insinuation.

3. I did state "white Americans" because that WAS Pancho Villa's implied intent...to kill white Americans (Columbus was all white at that time.) He did kill 18 "gringos" that night and lost over 100 of his raiders.

[Pancho Villa]

[ROFL1]

Even if this isn't a gag, its still hilarious.

[Jumpstart]

The thread that just won't die!

SW sucks no matter what they play.

End the thing already! Move to Greenland if you don't want to see Mexicans. They are here. They aren't leaving. Lets work on stopping the flow. Lets integrate the ones who want to call the USA home. Again SW sucks. Buy your stuff elsewhere and call ahead to see what music they are playing and plan to play. This is getting so old. I bet almost no one on this site is from America originally unless your an Indian or something. Hell CO us to be owned by Mexico didn't it. No surprise they wouldn't still be here or want to be here. If I was Mexican and it sucked were I was from I would do all I could to get out of there and go somewhere better. Can you blame the race for that!
1. No one ever mentioned anything about seeing Mexicans.
2. The point is they aren't integrating WE are.
3. Mexico only had a claim by default from Spain to a portion of southern Colorado for only 26 years early 1800's. Ask the Indian tribes if Mexico once "owned Colorado".
4. Indians aren't even orginally from The USA.
5. You are right. I would leave Mexico too if It sucked. I just hope the USA doesn't start to suck like Mexico. You know what I mean?

[GunTroll]

1. No one ever mentioned anything about seeing Mexicans.
2. The point is they aren't integrating WE are.
3. Mexico only had a claim by default from Spain to a portion of southern Colorado for only 26 years early 1800's. Ask the Indian tribes if Mexico once "owned Colorado".
4. Indians aren't even orginally from The USA.
5. You are right. I would leave Mexico too if It sucked. I just hope the USA doesn't start to suck like Mexico. You know what I mean?

1. Someone, I think you said you didn't see any (non-Anglo) while there.
1a. Spanish music and I believe this whole thread is about Mexicans in some way or another.
2.Your right
3. Could be right there but I give a fuck.
4.More so than you and I. Thanks for the history lesson I already knew.
5.Thanks. And I agree about the not sucking, but it already is from many different things not just them (Mexicans). I understand where your coming from.

[GunTroll]

Lets see how many pages this can go![Bang]

[theGinsue]

I'll sneak into your cars while you sleep and turn all your presets to spanish radio stations!

See? And this sort of thing when the we're already in trouble for torture. Changing my presets to spanish radio stations? That's just plain cruel!
[ROFL1]


Lets see how many pages this can go![Bang]

I'm game.

[RRD3]

Eh-hem... [Rock][BooHoo] La Cucaracha La Cucaracha [Ban1][Ban2][Ban3] La Cucaracha La Cucaracha [BooHoo][Rock]

[Ignore] [Bounce][Bouncy][Scramble][Bounce]

[ChunkyMonkey]

An observation: Pancho Villa raided Columbus, NM. in 1916 for the sole purpose of killing Americans. White Americans. He's no hero to me.

As everyone wishes..

Another Observation: Your posts made you look like a racist. Stop bitching about spanish songs, white clientele, Native American, or "all white Americans in Columbus" without fully understanding the history. Pancho Villa was hailed by the American Media as a hero before he turned against Americans because of two different reasons -- both were political - not racial.

Here is a census for Columbus, NM in 1913
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nmluna/census/1913census.htm?cj=1&o_xid=0001231185&o_lid=0001231185

Read the census data by 'family name' if you must.

[Pancho Villa]

Eh-hem... [Rock][BooHoo] La Cucaracha La Cucaracha [Ban1][Ban2][Ban3] La Cucaracha La Cucaracha [BooHoo][Rock]

[Ignore] [Bounce][Bouncy][Scramble][Bounce]

http://img.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/03/ThatsRacist.gif

[Pancho Villa]

As everyone wishes..

Another Observation: Your posts made you look like a racist. Stop bitching about spanish songs, white clientele, Native American, or "all white Americans in Columbus" without fully understanding the history. Pancho Villa was hailed by the American Media as a hero before he turned against Americans because of two different reasons -- both were political - not racial.

Here is a census for Columbus, NM in 1913
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nmluna/census/1913census.htm?cj=1&o_xid=0001231185&o_lid=0001231185 (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Enmluna/census/1913census.htm?cj=1&o_xid=0001231185&o_lid=0001231185)

Read the census data by 'family name' if you must.

Don't forget that his little revolutionary band employed several white people on record.

But no, Villa was a racist!

Just not a fight I wanted to get into...the guy is a nut and living in an irrational fantasy world. Lets just eat the taco of peace and agree that shooting stuff is fun [M2]

[theGinsue]

...and agree that shooting stuff is fun [M2]

Oh, heck yeah. While any caliber works for me, I get mildly aroused with the large calibers. (Does that make me a "size queen"? Careful how you answer that - I know a guy who has guns.)

[ChunkyMonkey]

I am still trying to figure out what's taco of peace... I asked my wife.. she shown me hers.. me happy.
hmmmm..taco

[GunTroll]

I am still trying to figure out what's taco of peace... I asked my wife.. she shown me hers.. me happy.
hmmmm..taco

The old tuna taco trick. Turns them frowns upside down!

[RRD3]

http://img.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/03/ThatsRacist.gif


How in the hell is that racist?

[Pancho Villa]

How in the hell is that racist?

Its not.

That post was a joke.

[Tristan]

Jeez, folks. Tacos, beer and xanax all around might become appropriate.....[Coffee]

[Jumpstart]

[quote=MB888;118028]As everyone wishes..

Another Observation: Your posts made you look like a racist. Stop bitching about spanish songs, white clientele, Native American, or "all white Americans in Columbus" without fully understanding the history. Pancho Villa was hailed by the American Media as a hero before he turned against Americans because of two different reasons -- both were political - not racial. quote]

1. Your post(s) make it look like your seemingly indoctrinated political correctness is offended by frank talk.
2. What were the surnames of those killed @ Columbus? I believe they are exclusively anglo.
3. Pancho Villa's reasons were monetary and racial. My recollection is that he raided Columbus because of weapondry he was promised by Americans and as a punitve measure to kill white Americans because of the deal gone south. Leon Metz-The Border
4. I you don't like my observations, don't read the my posts.

[jackmode9316]

Thats not racist, its statistically accurate.

What kind of music does Gander Mtn play?

[GunTroll]

4. I you don't like my observations, don't read the my posts.

Not going to happen here. Whats the fun with everyone just agreeing with everything said. You have your views and everyone else has theirs...Just a secret but its just a view. Not a fact. I like that you are bothered by this illegal invasion. I am too. Funny thing is that nothing will come of it. No big GOV. gonna do anything to help.

Maybe we can go another few pages on this topic. Pancho you down?

[ChunkyMonkey]

1. Your post(s) make it look like your seemingly indoctrinated political correctness is offended by frank talk.

Trust me, political correctness is over rated. People who doesn't know me would assume I am just another racist snob sometimes. I challenged the false facts that you presented. Don't get offended or take it too personally. Call me whatever you feel necessary.. I have no prob. with that. :)



2. What were the surnames of those killed @ Columbus? I believe they are exclusively anglo.

Any reference to that would be nice. I am responding to your claim that Columbus was all white town and disproved your claim. That's all.



3. Pancho Villa's reasons were monetary and racial. My recollection is that he raided Columbus because of weapondry he was promised by Americans and as a punitve measure to kill white Americans because of the deal gone south. Leon Metz-The Border

Not exactly. Historians from both sides of the border did mention about defective American ammo which he received.

3 of those raiders were white americans. I am not claiming myself as History buff, but I do love to read, and American history is extremely interesting to me. To the best of my recollection on the topic, Pancho posse killed any civilians they could find until they hit the down town area, where the US soldiers were forming a defensive line on a small mount and effectively killed many of the riders w/ 'machine gun' as they charged.



4. I you don't like my observations, don't read the my posts.

LOL.. we aren't kids are we? Should I say if you don't like any responses, don't post then?

Please don't turn a historical event into racial issue. Because one can argue that the 10000 union soldiers under Gen Persing then kicked all the minority out of columbus - drove into northern Mexico and commit things that we don't like to mention. It was a raid - by mostly spanish posse into mostly white town. Leave it at that.

as far as how far this thread could go... you are it! :)

[Jumpstart]

M8,

I stand by my posts. I was born and lived in the county Columbus was in for over 30 years, aside from going to the next county over for college, also on the Mexican border.

[Zundfolge]

I'm calling bs on that. Big time.
Call all the BS you want.

I've been in the Sportsman's Warehouse next to the Citadel mall about a dozen times, and EVERY SINGLE TIME I was the only white customer, ALL the other customers were either Latino or Black (now its a big store, so maybe I missed a few crackers skulking around the tents or the shoe department or something). Note that most of the time I only saw 2 or 3 other customers as well.

Seeing as how you're way over in 94.92% White (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller_County,_Colorado#Demographics) Teller County (compared to only 80.66% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs,_Colorado#Demographics) here in CS), maybe you don't get to that part of The Springs all that often, but its very much in the middle of "The Barrio" (such as one exists here).

My point was that there's really no reason to be all that upset about the Spanish music there if its catering to the majority of their customer base. Now if the store were up by the Chapel Hills mall (deep in White suburbia) maybe the OP would have a little more to complain about.

[Jumpstart]

Call all the BS you want.

I've been in the Sportsman's Warehouse next to the Citadel mall about a dozen times, and EVERY SINGLE TIME I was the only white customer, ALL the other customers were either Latino or Black (now its a big store, so maybe I missed a few crackers skulking around the tents or the shoe department or something). Note that most of the time I only saw 2 or 3 other customers as well.

Seeing as how you're way over in 94.92% White (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller_County,_Colorado#Demographics) Teller County (compared to only 80.66% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs,_Colorado#Demographics) here in CS), maybe you don't get to that part of The Springs all that often, but its very much in the middle of "The Barrio" (such as one exists here).

My point was that there's really no reason to be all that upset about the Spanish music there if its catering to the majority of their customer base. Now if the store were up by the Chapel Hills mall (deep in White suburbia) maybe the OP would have a little more to complain about.

I have also been to SW's over a dozen times easily. I stand by my bs assertion. Maybe you are leaving your sunglasses on when you go in there...

Also: That area isn't a "barrio". It's just a lower,older economic area. I grew up in the barrio. That ain't the "barrio" ese.

[Zundfolge]

I have also been to SW's over a dozen times easily. I stand by my bs assertion. Maybe you are leaving your sunglasses on when you go in there...
Well I'm not going to argue with your experience, but I stand by mine ... maybe it has something to do with time of day (for me its usually around lunch time or right after work ... maybe the white folk shop there on the weekend)


Also: That area isn't a "barrio". It's just a lower,older economic area. I grew up in the barrio. That ain't the "barrio" ese.
Hence my "(such as one exists here)" comment. The fact remains that the percentage of the population of people living in the Citadel Mall area is significantly Latino (with a rather large contingent of Black folk) whites are in the minority in that part of town.

So I stand by my original assessment ... the choice of music is a reflection of the majority of the customer base, not some evil La Raza plot to legalize illegals or reclaim the southwest for Azatlan.

[Jumpstart]

[quote=Zundfolge;118191



So I stand by my original assessment ... the choice of music is a reflection of the majority of the customer base, not some evil La Raza plot to legalize illegals or reclaim the southwest for Azatlan.[/quote]

1. Why did you state that above?
2. Are you Latino?

[Zundfolge]

1. Why did you state that above?
2. Are you Latino?

1. The original poster posted that there was Spanish music playing in the store and that this somehow offended him. I guess some people see the encroachment of Mexican culture into American culture as some sort of plot against American sovereignty and/or culture. I certainly agree that amnesty for illegals and refusal to secure the border are, but I don't believe some Tejano music at a sporting goods store in a Latino neighborhood is.


2. Honestly it shouldn't matter, but in our highly charged PC culture I guess it does. I'm your classic American mutt ... a little of this, a little of that ... I'm sure there's some Latino blood in there somewhere.

[Jumpstart]

1. The original poster posted that there was Spanish music playing in the store and that this somehow offended him. I guess some people see the encroachment of Mexican culture into American culture as some sort of plot against American sovereignty and/or culture. I certainly agree that amnesty for illegals and refusal to secure the border are, but I don't believe some Tejano music at a sporting goods store in a Latino neighborhood is.


2. Honestly it shouldn't matter, but in our highly charged PC culture I guess it does. I'm your classic American mutt ... a little of this, a little of that ... I'm sure there's some Latino blood in there somewhere.

1. Latino neighborhood???
2 So are you or aren't you?

[GunTroll]

1. Latino neighborhood???
2 So are you or aren't you?

Do you jumpstart have any latino in you? Check this out...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KGRZuWXVhA&NR=1 these guys can help you if not!

What would it matter if this guy was?

[Mtn.man]

Let's Give It Up FOR RAP...

[theGinsue]

Its not.

That post was a joke.


[Smart] - Hey, I actually got that one BEFORE I was told it was a joke. I'm not as dumb as I look. Okay, for the record, NO ONE is as dumb as I look.[Tooth]

So, I spoke with Darrin, the Mgr @ the CoS SW. He was surprised to hear about the Spanish language music that was playing on Saturday. I also asked him about rumors regarding Chap 11 denial. According to info he is getting, SW is on track for the Chap 11. He also indicated that the CoS store looks really secure and hopes folks will give them a chance to get their stock levels back up. They still have some uphill roads to travel, but he says that things are already improving - just slowly.

[Zundfolge]

1. Latino neighborhood???
Yes, the neighborhood surrounding the Citadel Mall is predominantly Latino.*
The Sportsman Warehouse is in the parking lot on the South East corner of the mall.

2 So are you or aren't you?Not sure why it matters but when filling out government forms that ask for my race, no I do not check the box next to "Latino" or "Hispanic" or whatever they call it. That still doesn't disqualify me from relating my experiences, or from having opinions based on those experiences. Of course I also assumed my ethnicity was obvious since in my first response I referred to myself as an "Anglo".




*don't know if this link will work, but go here. (http://www.socialexplorer.com/pub/maps/map3.aspx?g=0,20&mapi=1406928.74612121.1135.327&themei=767694.843113658.635.5143&l=-421073.107680873&r=-416952.05035324&t=5046640.36119481&b=5043632.32517103&rndi=1)

The Citadel Mall is located inside the area surrounded by Citadel Dr. The Sportsman's Warehouse is located about where the "CIR" in "CHELTON CIR" is located. There is only one small area SW of there (East of Nevada, South of I25) where the % Hispanic is higher than it is in the area on 3 sides of the mall.

That's based on 9 year old data ... in the last 5-7 years I've noticed a significant increase in the number of Latino businesses on East Platte, so I think its safe to say that once the 2010 Census is done that those % Hispanic numbers may go up around there.

[Jumpstart]

Those stats hardly qualify as to designate this a "Latino neighborhood".

[GunTroll]

Damn it! WGAF? this thread was near the bottom of the page. Almost out of site. Boycott the damn place for their behaviour and show them who the boss is.

Yes Spanish people are moving in. No you can't stop it. Pointing it out to other people want stop it either. If the stores decision to play the music offends you to the point that you didn't purchase the items you went in there to get then you have issues in my opinion.
Move on to somewhere else that's less Spanish. Maybe Maine or somewhere.

[Jumpstart]

Damn it! WGAF? this thread was near the bottom of the page. Almost out of site. Boycott the damn place for their behaviour and show them who the boss is.

Yes Spanish people are moving in. No you can't stop it. Pointing it out to other people want stop it either. If the stores decision to play the music offends you to the point that you didn't purchase the items you went in there to get then you have issues in my opinion.
Move on to somewhere else that's less Spanish. Maybe Maine or somewhere.


It's call the Latin-Americanizaton of the USA. It's not optimal. Our parents don't deserve it, our children don't deserve it. I'm just nutting up. How bout you?

[Jumpstart]

Oh, and it's not "Spanish" people. Spain is in Europe.

[SA Friday]

When I lived in Spain, I heard american/british music about 50% of the time while off base.

Sting did a whole album of his songs in spanish and portugese. It's awesome stuff. If they were pumping that through the speakers, I would love it. Now mariachi bands? No, that would just be annoying. It's really about what caters to the primary consumer of the store. I would imagine Korn or Rage Against the Machine wouldn't fly either in SW.

Ultimately, they can play whatever the hell music they want if they have primers, powder, and ammo on the shelves for sale. The lack of that stuff is what's killing SW, not the music....

[Zundfolge]

Those stats hardly qualify as to designate this a "Latino neighborhood".
Relative to the demographics of the rest of the city it is.

[ChunkyMonkey]

[ROFL2][ROFL1] this thing is still alive??

America along w/ the world is changing everyday. It might not be for the better to your or I personally... but it's part of the cycle. It has been changing for thousands of years.... I bet them poor 'native indian' were complaining the same sh1t as the European migration started -- blogging and passing the 3 foot peace pipe around the fire.

I personally are worried about the influx of the muslim extremist into western europe and eventually US than anything else.

[Jumpstart]

[ROFL2][ROFL1] this thing is still alive??

America along w/ the world is changing everyday. It might not be for the better to your or I personally... but it's part of the cycle. It has been changing for thousands of years.... I bet them poor 'native indian' were complaining the same sh1t as the European migration started -- blogging and passing the 3 foot peace pipe around the fire.

I personally are worried about the influx of the muslim extremist into western europe and eventually US than anything else.

The only "native indians" complaining about European migration were the smart ones. The rest were saying "the world is changing everyday, it's part of the cycle".

[ChunkyMonkey]

The only "native indians" complaining about European migration were the smart ones. The rest were saying "the world is changing everyday, it's part of the cycle".

And the ones who fought are gone... yet many lives on to this day along side the new comers -- those in US is an exception. Canada, Mexico and most south American countries are better examples.

Not voicing my opinion on this one.. just stating a fact.

[GunTroll]

It's call the Latin-Americanizaton of the USA. It's not optimal. Our parents don't deserve it, our children don't deserve it. I'm just nutting up. How bout you?


Oh, and it's not "Spanish" people. Spain is in Europe.

What are you doing about it??? Join the border patrol. Run for office. Go join the minute man movement. I feel your just preaching to the choir. I know whats happening. I just can't see an answer. What is yours??? All you have done is complain and make moot points and feel the need to educate people who....

Don't care.....like me
Don't give a fuck....like me
Are sick of hearing about this.......like everyone


You sound racist! Even though you claim not to be. Don't beet around the bush. Say you hate Mexicans for moving in on you. That's what it sounds like your saying to me. Or your other week point....we just seem to accept this happening to our country. Once again what is your answer to the music problem at sportsmans?

I always wondered were Spain was thanks for helping me with that. I mean what do I care they aren't white or Anglo.

Talk your useless talk to these guys....http://www.cbp.gov/.

[Jumpstart]

And the ones who fought are gone... yet many lives on to this day along side the new comers -- those in US is an exception. Canada, Mexico and most south American countries are better examples.

Not voicing my opinion on this one.. just stating a fact.

Uhhhh okaay... Didn't you also state the "fact" that anglos raided Columbus, NM with Pancho Villa too? lol. That I would have to see documentation on. I would wager heavy against that. Pancho did have American videographers and photographers folow him from time to time. It was actually a pretty amazing use of technology considering the time.


Gun troll,
I used to roll with the Minutemen and have done five musters on the NM border. These are some of the finest Americans you will meet. Back ground checked et al. Doctors, lawyers, teachers, ex LE, and polyethnic. I have served with Blacks, Asians, (no Hispanics, but they are in the Minutmen too), men and women. I affililiate with Patriots Border Alliance now.
http://www.patriotsborderalliance.com/
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

[GunTroll]

See that's useful stuff. I applaud your efforts. I wanted to go BP once. Went Army instead. Thanks for doing what you did.[Beer]

[Jumpstart]

See that's useful stuff. I applaud your efforts. I wanted to go BP once. Went Army instead. Thanks for doing what you did.[Beer]

No thank you! I had seriously kicked around the idea of BP, but you have to spend 2 years on the border to start. I was already in beautiful Teller county, my girl would not move back to the border, and I was comfortably employed. I also didn't like the way that some in BP were used as as political footballs, and thought that the agents should have been supported better. That was clincher. That, and I was approaching the age cutoff.
[Beer]

[ChunkyMonkey]

Uhhhh okaay... Didn't you also state the "fact" that anglos raided Columbus, NM with Pancho Villa too? lol. That I would have to see documentation on. I would wager heavy against that. Pancho did have American videographers and photographers folow him from time to time. It was actually a pretty amazing use of technology considering the time.


Please do your own research into it.. Try Colonel Slocum's writing on the event, and another American general name Scott. I cannot think of his full name at this point. I ll forward you the link if I find the online version. I also believe you assumed all "anglos" who followed Villa were Americans, which is not true.

I don't know why you are stubbornly denying all the facts that are being presented by fellow members. I hope you are an exception to the patriots who nobly volunteer their asset and time. Joining the BP would have been real good for you. To see many different backgrounds serve as one nation might open your eyes.

At least you have opened my eyes on what you are. I am outta this thread! [Tooth]

[Jumpstart]

Please do your own research into it.. Try Colonel Slocum's writing on the event, and another American general name Scott. I cannot think of his full name at this point. I ll forward you the link if I find the online version. I also believe you assumed all "anglos" who followed Villa were Americans, which is not true.

I don't know why you are stubbornly denying all the facts that are being presented by fellow members. I hope you are an exception to the patriots who nobly volunteer their asset and time. Joining the BP would have been real good for you. To see many different backgrounds serve as one nation might open your eyes.

At least you have opened my eyes on what you are. I am outta this thread! [Tooth]

1. You made the assertion. I called you on it to back it. You didn't. that isn't "stubbornly denying the facts". That is investigating.

2. I have served with many different backgrounds in a variety of capacities.

3. So what am I then in your estimation?

[Elhuero]

Only illegals listen to Mexican music. Everyone knows that.

Fight illegal immigration, play more heavy metal.

Someone mentioned mexican food earlier. Does anyone know a good mexican/texmex place in the front range? Its damnably difficult to find good either here, esp when I am used to (literally) having a fantastic taco stand just down the block from me (go Dallas, aka El Dallaso.)

So far I've got as good places: Haciendas Colorado (best so far) in the Tech Center, Jose Muldoons in the Springs and Three Margaritas in Castle Rock. Anyone know any others?

in the springs there's a place on academy near vickers called pueblo viejo. it's really good

[Pancho Villa]

Man, I ate at haciendas colorado yesterday.

If mexicans taking over Colorado means more restaurants like that, I'm all for it.

Crispy, wafer-thin chips, delicious salsa, fajitas to die for. All hail our new delicious mexican food overlords!

[jackmode9316]

I will admit, I am a sucker for some hispy grub!