View Full Version : Co-workers problem with Cabelas transfer.
Co worker of mine is 20. Bought a full PSA lower with stock etc. Ergo, no possibility of being a serial registered/being considered a pistol right?
When he went to pick it up, Cabelas including the manager, refused to transfer it to him as they told him it was an "other" and shipped it back this morning.
I might be missing some details as this was just at shift change, but just checking if I'm missing some law/misunderstood what AR parts are considered what at different stages. Or if I'm right and Cabelas is dumb.
Just a wild guess on my part. Perhaps those under 21 can only purchase a long gun?
Don't really know. Just a guess. I'm sure someone with an FFL will be along shortly.
BPTactical
05-28-2014, 20:20
Cabelas screwed the poochy. If it was a bare reciever then yes, designation as "Other" would apply.
If it was shipped from the manufacturer with a buttstock then designation as a "Rifle" applies.
To the best of my knowledge.
A non prohibited person age 18 and over can purchase a long gun.
What Bert said.
Additionally... Why in the world would you use a big box retailer for just a transfer????
Yep they screwed your buddy.
I told him not to use them. He's young and clueless about finding independant small ffl's to transfer. He said cabelas was 50 vs 75 at some other place.
I'll send him this thread. He said he argued with a manager, wonder who he should file a follow up complaint with.
johngraves2
05-28-2014, 20:48
Thornton location?
General Manager's name is Brent Lakoko (SP? on last name) extension # 8020 when you call the main Thornton number. I just dealt with him on an issue i just posted about in the review thread.
buffalobo
05-28-2014, 20:52
Not to be mean but give him a bitch slap and explain that the cost of his mistakes are the price of his education and a Harvard education is a hefty price to pay. Make sure he pays attention next time some one attempts to help and mentor him.
Get him to join us here and learn to use resources available.
Cabelas for a transfer?
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SideShow Bob
05-28-2014, 21:04
Trying to save $25 cost him a bunch more.
If Cabelas sent it back, have him contact the seller and explain what happened, they will probably charge him a processing fee and shipping again, then have it reshipped to a different FFL. Tell him to shop around, he can find a better price for a receiving FFL and probably beat even the $50 fee that Cabelas is charging.
Get him to join us here and learn to use resources available.
Plus I would rather support a local FFL on this site than a big box store.
buffalobo
05-28-2014, 22:02
The time spent at Bowers or Ark waiting for bgc to clear can be very valuable to newbs and old hands alike. Hang out and ask questions, learn new stuff and get to know great people.
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BPTactical
05-28-2014, 22:40
The time spent at Bowers or Ark waiting for bgc to clear can be very valuable to newbs and old hands alike. Hang out and ask questions, learn new stuff and get to know great people.
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And then you meet Buffalobo.......hide yer dag
sportbikeco
05-29-2014, 01:00
Virgin receivers are "other"
Stock does not matter.
Having "pistol" on the side of the lower does not matter. Running background check as "pistol" on a new virgin lower does not matter. (If building an ar pistol from virgin lower)
It is not a long gun it is "other"
Virgin receivers are "other"
Stock does not matter.
Having "pistol" on the side of the lower does not matter. Running background check as "pistol" on a new virgin lower does not matter. (If building an ar pistol from virgin lower)
It is not a long gun it is "other"
Except it already had a stock on it. Which makes it rifle.
buffalobo
05-29-2014, 06:58
And then you meet Buffalobo.......hide yer dag
And your rifles and your virgins and....
Hell you better hide everything, the rednecks are on the loose.
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BPTactical
05-29-2014, 07:33
And your rifles and your virgins and....
Hell you better hide everything, the rednecks are on the loose.
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[sheepshagger]
sportbikeco
05-29-2014, 07:52
Except it already had a stock on it. Which makes it rifle.
A "rifle" has a barrel at least 16" and can fire a bullet.
A lower that has never been made into a firearm is an "other"
sportbikeco
05-29-2014, 08:00
http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/171209/26635.JPG
Bailey Guns
05-29-2014, 08:04
Some of you guys need to read the instructions for "Section B" in the instruction section of the 4473.
Bailey Guns
05-29-2014, 08:08
"Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle", it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21."
That's taken right from the form.
A "rifle" has a barrel at least 16" and can fire a bullet.
A lower that has never been made into a firearm is an "other"
No, besides the barrel... (Which a lower does not have) the major part that makes an AR a rifle or pistol is the use of a stock.... Which is attached to the lower. Simply look at the NFA rules on what makes an SBR. This becomes very clear because they layout where you have a pistol (legal to own with say a 10" barrel or only a buffer tube) and a rifle (stock, foregrip, 16"+ barrel, overal length of 26"). Of all of these the stock is the only thing the lower is a singular part of the equation. If it has a stock, it is either a rifle or an SBR.
I think what we are ALL tripping over are the inconsistencies of the ATF rules, where an AR is concerned. Your friend can buy the exact same part (if we are talking about just the lower, the stock makes it a rifle at the point of sale) and depending on what somebody calls it determines if he can have it or not regardless of his true intent once it leaves the store. It makes no since when I can make a legal lower illegal with a simple 30 sec change of a part like an upper but thems the rules. The guys at Cabela's screwed up and could have worked with the guy to figure it out but did not. This is the difference between big chains and small shops. If you go into a big chain and know what you are looking for, many times you can come out ahead. They do bulk much better than a small shop can... usually. If you are looking for knowledgeable people with better customer service a small shop like Bowers or Ark are better... usually. I have had zero problems with either of these shops or others when I need help that larger chains just scratch their head over. End of story, your friend would have been better served with a smaller shop in this instance.
Bailey Guns
05-29-2014, 08:09
[facepalm]
BPTactical
05-29-2014, 08:19
Bailey Guns and Sportbikeco win the internetz!
They are correct as is Cabelas.
I just dug out a 4473 and it does confirm what they stated.
Thinking about it a bit more the ATF made some changes to the "Other" category around 2008-9 which slammed the door on firearms in the category of "Other" being sold to the 18-21 crowd.
That was right about the time I left a retail shop so I never had to deal with it.
Gentlemen, I apologize for the incorrect information.
Now I shall go to the jackyard and backoff in shame......
Bailey Guns and Sportbikeco win the internetz!
They are correct as is Cabelas.
I just dug out a 4473 and it does confirm what they stated.
Thinking about it a bit more the ATF made some changes to the "Other" category around 2008-9 which slammed the door on firearms in the category of "Other" being sold to the 18-21 crowd.
That was right about the time I left a retail shop so I never had to deal with it.
Gentlemen, I apologize for the incorrect information.
Now I shall go to the jackyard and backoff in shame......
ok, just to be clear. If you are under 21 you are not allowed to buy an AR lower (even if fully built or has a stock) unless it is accompanied by a Rifle upper? Not arguing, just getting clarification.
mtnrider
05-29-2014, 08:41
ok, just to be clear. If you are under 21 you are not allowed to buy an AR lower (even if fully built or has a stock) unless it is accompanied by a Rifle upper? Not arguing, just getting clarification.
That's the way I read it. No receivers/lowers under 21. Must be a completed rifle only.
"Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle", it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21."
That's taken right from the form.
Now why did you have to go and do that? There you go again using facts and actually reading the directions... Now the real question is: why do you have a 4473 handy? I thought you were outta the FFL game?
But if it's a complete AR, then they could right? It's only because it's a receiver only? I guess I understand the rule, but not the gist. And I still swear I've seen it talked about others in the under 21 boat picking up stuff like that.
So if he's got the rest of the rifle built out except for the lower, he's stuck till 21 if he's playing it by the book then?
Bailey Guns
05-29-2014, 09:02
Now why did you have to go and do that? There you go again using facts and actually reading the directions... Now the real question is: why do you have a 4473 handy? I thought you were outta the FFL game?
gee ooh ooh gee ell eee
But if it's a complete AR, then they could right? It's only because it's a receiver only? I guess I understand the rule, but not the gist.
Correct.
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