View Full Version : I'm thinking of buying a Frontier...
So that time has come, where I'm just no longer happy with owning a car anymore and desperately want a truck and also, for recreational purposes, need the ground clearance. That's right, I'm gonna get rid of the Beemer [Shock] As with my guns, I never go into an auto purchase without extensive research. My criteria was simple: smaller truck (not full-size), decent on gas, decently priced, good power (work in Denver, live in Evergreen, for now, I-70WB sucks without power), relatively inexpensive to fix. After weeks of research I found that the better option was the Nissan Frontier ('09-'13). Shockingly it got higher marks than the Toyota Tacoma (which I also found holds its value incredibly well, so no check in the decently priced box). So my question is, does anyone on here have an '09 or newer Nissan Frontier? What are the positives? What are the negatives? If you could do it all over again, would you still buy it?
Also, other questions came up... With my car, I can load up my guns in the trunk and off I go, but now with the decision to get a crew cab pickup, there comes the safe (relatively) and hidden storage of long guns. Besides "throw a blanket over it" is there any kind of truck storage for guns- like possibly a locking, pull-out drawer that installs under the back seat (if there's room)?
Thanks! [Beer]
Great-Kazoo
05-29-2014, 09:18
You should see if honeyB still has their nissan, xterra? same frame / chassis. Myself, if storage as a concern i'd lean towards a sealed unit. I store our firearms in the clubcab / back seat of truck, unless it's a to & from range trip. Putting a locker , gun safe in the truch bed defeats the purpose of having a p.u truck. Consider a tool box for storage.
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or over rail style
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I had a Frontier crew cab I bought brand new. Had it for a couple of years. It had the off road package. V-6 with a stick shift. Decent enough truck. Not really any room in the back seat for anyone over the age of 12. Couldn't get anything over about 16 miles per gallon. Figured if I was going to get that kind of mileage I might as well drive a full size truck instead.
Sold it and haven't looked back.
Lex_Luthor
05-29-2014, 09:22
My dad's cousin swears by Nissan trucks. We had a '90 hard body that just ran forever. I don't know about the newer ones, but historically my experience with Nissan trucks has been solid. My neighbor has a fairly new one (but probably around '05). You could look into getting a lock box that spans the bed.
ChunkyMonkey
05-29-2014, 09:28
Get a titan.
tmleadr03
05-29-2014, 10:00
Taco with SR5 and TRD package.
SouthPaw
05-29-2014, 10:30
Why rule out full size trucks? My '08 Silverado 1500 gets 17mpg city and 20mpg highway consistently. Has plenty of room as well. My '05 Silverado was very reliable and solid.
Nothing against Tacomas as I would love one but they are just so expensive. Loved the one I had in high school. My dad bought one new back in 2006 and loved it. He decided in 2008 to trade it in on a new 2008 Silverado and kept that till last month when I purchased it from him. After searching high and low for a used Tacoma he decided to buy a new 2014 Tacoma. When 2010 Tacomas are going for $25K+ and a new one is $30K it was kind of a no brainer.
Sharpienads
05-29-2014, 10:37
Quit lying to yourself and just get the VW Beetle you've always dreamed about [fag]
I have an 03 Frontier extended cab supercharged, it's been good. Could have better MPG, solid truck, good power. Traded a Tacoma for it not much difference both reliable. Don't have any info on newer ones.
My 08 Chevy has been very reliable but only gets 13 to 15 mpg. My 2010 Dodge gets between 18 and 20 mpg.
Great-Kazoo
05-29-2014, 10:49
The only thing you will get buying a small truck is easier parking. We looked at small trucks, even the sport futility vehicles. When a smaller unit gets the same MPG as our full size trucks, there was no reason to buy a smaller unit.
Fentonite
05-29-2014, 10:58
Taco with SR5 and TRD package.
I have an '05 Tacoma, SR5 with TRD package. Great truck, I love the 6-speed. I wish it got better than 17-18mpg. I agree with moving up to a full-size if it will work for you, as they typically get better mileage (go figure). I'm sticking with the Taco though, because it'll get to places a big truck won't (like my mining claim), and it basically suits my needs.
Another thing to consider, if you plan to do much aftermarket improvement to it, I think you'll find more options with a Taco, and more off-road shops with greater familiarity.
crashdown
05-29-2014, 11:25
Frontier and Xterra are very similar. My vote would be the Xterra so you have real 4 door seating and the security of having everything enclosed, and get a trailer for when you need a pickup bed.
The Xterra is great on and off road, and I found more pleasant to drive than the Frontier.
sic_semper_tyrannis
05-29-2014, 11:30
I have a 2011 Frontier Pro-4X that is fully loaded. It is a dated design at this point, and the only new options you will find in a brand-new 2014 are a navigation/backup camera system. Aside from that, it has been the exact same truck for the last ~7 years (not a bad thing, they are good trucks). The first couple years of the gen2 Frontier had some hiccups, but they all seem to have been worked out by 2008-2009 or so. Personally I think it is a good thing that the design is coming up on a decade old, because Nissan has had ample time to work out all the kinks. Every time they come out with a new model, there seem to be problems that require a couple model years to identify and resolve. Clearly no longer an issue with the Frontier.
Anyway, I am a big fan of my Frontier. I have had zero concerns/issues/malfunctions so far, and it has been an excellent truck. Understand though that it is hardly a "compact" pickup. No real compact pickups are even made anymore, since the demise of the Ranger, Colorado/Canyon, Dakota, and 1st gen Tacomas & Frontiers. The Frontier's only size competition is the Tacoma, and they would both be considered "mid-size" pickups, and they are both significantly larger than their 1st gen predecessors. My Pro-4X has an outstanding suspension, and also a fantastic engine. Nissan's VQ series engines have a fantastic reputation, and for a V6 it has plenty of horsepower and torque. It also has excellent crash test scores, if you care about that kind of thing (I do). The Frontiers are made in the USA (Tennessee to be exact), while the Tacomas are made in Mexico. I will admit I originally went looking for a Tacoma and actually settled on the Frontier after weeks of indecision. Tacomas clearly are durable, because they are all over the place and have a good reputation, but I was underwhelmed when I test drove them. The seats sucked, the suspension was noticeably rougher than the Frontier, and I was really turned off by some of the cheap interior & exterior parts. As an example of how OCD I am, I absolutely DESPISE the exterior door handles on the Tacomas, because they have a mold line that runs right along the bottom of the handle and scratches your fingers when you pull it. Yes, I am just weird like that, but those handles really bugged me. Also, the Tacomas are f'n EXPENSIVE, and I found very little room for haggling at multiple dealerships. The Tacos sell so well that dealerships don't really have to negotiate down to get rid of them, so expect to pay full price if you want one. My Frontier on the other hand I got for a pretty smoking deal, and it seems like dealers have more wiggle room for pricing.
To focus more on the Frontier and stop answering Tacoma questions that you never asked, I really love the factory spray-on bedliner and cargo tie-down system, which come in handy if you actually use the truck for "truck things". The interior is very plain, and full of hard plastic, but I consider that a good thing because its easy to clean. The last thing I want in my truck is woodgrain paneling and leather accents. The factory stereo is extremely good so long as you opt for the upgraded system, and I am an audio snob that usually installs my own systems. I left the factory Rockford Fosgate system untouched, because it sounds good enough to not bother with the hassle and expense of replacing it. The seats are comfy, the ground clearance is great, there is tons of storage space and cubbies inside, and the sound deadening is actually pretty decent. With that said, it drives and handles like a fullsize truck, so parking and tight spaces can be aggravating. The turning radius is huge, and braking can be tedious when you're coming to a quick stop. As for gas mileage, it is not good. I'm averaging 16-17mpg with a lot of highway driving. As someone above mentioned, you can actually get better mileage in some fullsize V8 trucks, which is aggravating to think about. Overall though, I do genuinely like the truck, and I don't regret getting it. So yes I would recommend getting one if you want one. Like I said earlier, prices are much more affordable than the Tacoma, and for an arguably better vehicle (my opinion).
As for storage space for guns, that was actually something I took into consideration when shopping. I hate leaving weapons in plain sight in the cab, even though my windows are tinted very dark. The Frontier actually has enough space behind the rear seatback to hold a shotgun or rifle (ARs included) in a soft case while keeping the seatback latched in the up positions. This will only work with a soft case, as any hard case would be too large. Also won't work if you have a bunch of tactical shit hanging off the sides of the gun. But I have easily fit a fullsize 870 and an AR back there in soft cases without a problem. It keeps them completely out-of-view, and no one suspects anything to be back there because the seatback appears flat against the rear wall.
If you have any specific questions about the Frontier just ask, I can probably help.
The only thing you will get buying a small truck is easier parking. We looked at small trucks, even the sport futility vehicles. When a smaller unit gets the same MPG as our full size trucks, there was no reason to buy a smaller unit.
This is one of the primary reasons, I really have no use for a full size (otherwise I'd be going with a Ram), and moving into the city soon, parking is kind of a pain at my GF's with my family's '05 Ram 1500 I use from time to time. Plus from reading comparisons between the Tacoma and the Frontier (since they discontinued the Dakota), the Frontier's V6 has a little more balls than the Tacoma. To top it off, I really like the look of the Nissan, personally.
And Ray, dammit, my friends are all much larger than a 12 year old... Guess I won't be DD very often... [Coffee]
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Thank you! That's exactly what I was looking for, a no BS "I own one" response. That just helped, and I agree, the Tacoma is waay too expensive for the year/model... I comparatively looked at the '08-newer Tacoma, and sorry, if I can buy an '05 Tacoma for the same price as an '11 Ram 1500 with bells and whistles, that says the Tacoma is too much. Plus I've heard the same things you have with the Tacoma vs Frontier. My GF has a '13 Rogue, she loves it with the exception for the no-power 4-cyl engine, other than that, she swears that Nissan has their shit together when it comes to quality vehicles. I have exclusively been looking at the Pro-4x model, and like what I've read and heard about them. Parking still being a hassle, is just maneuvering or is it size as well? My main gripe is that our Ram is just too wide for several places, mostly parking garages, and my GF's apartment complex, I'm not really worried about length and turning radius as much as I am about overall width.
Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm just not sure I want to get into a V8 again, maintenance on some of them can get costly from what I've experienced.
hollohas
05-29-2014, 11:42
Taco with SR5 and TRD package.
This.
sportbikeco
05-29-2014, 11:55
If buying used get the Nissan. (Get a better deal as it depreciated more)
If buying new buy the Toyota (crazy high resale value)
ZERO THEORY
05-29-2014, 12:06
I would just like to take this time to note that a 1st gen Dodge Ram with the 6bT will clear 20 MPG in the city without breaking a sweat. $4K vs $14K.
If you'd like a late model truck, a full size turbo diesel is really pretty hard to beat. Considering that it gets better mileage, has more interior space, a larger bed, higher payload, higher tow rating, solid axle (unless you're a GM fruit), etc. and you can get a mid 2000s model for ~$15K, why stick with a compact? Maintenance is higher of course, but that's really the only knock I can think of.
hollohas
05-29-2014, 12:14
The Frontiers are made in the USA (Tennessee to be exact), while the Tacomas are made in Mexico....The Tacos sell so well that dealerships don't really have to negotiate down to get rid of them, so expect to pay full price if you want one.
The first part is not entirely true. Well over 2/3 of Tacomas are made in Texas.
The second part is very true. They don't offer any deals on Tacomas because they sell anyway (They sell almost 3 times as many Tacomas annually in the USA than Frontiers) But Tacomas also hold their value incredibly well. See one of the posts above regarding trying to buy a 4 year old Tacoma. The MSRP of similarly equipped "off-road" models of the Frontier and Tacoma are close in price with the Tacoma costing $1-2k more but with a few more convenience options in the Tacoma. The Tacoma has a LOT more aftermarket support. The Frontier has a about 10% more ponies from the factory.
Test drive them both.
baglock1
05-29-2014, 12:28
I had an 05 Frontier and loved it. It was a great truck and if I was in the market for a mid-size, I'd go back in a heartbeat. With that said however, I traded it in on a 2011 GMC Sierra (needed more space). I like it a lot better. Not only does it have more power (seems obvious given the V8, put the Nissan 4.0L is a VERY powerful little V6), but it gets better fuel economy.
So to answer your question, if I specifically wanted a mid-size, yes, I'd recommend the Frontier. If that isn't that big of a deal, I'd consider other options.
sic_semper_tyrannis
05-29-2014, 12:56
The first part is not entirely true. Well over 2/3 of Tacomas are made in Texas.
Are there actually two different assembly plants? Or do you just mean that 2/3 of the components in the Taco are Texas-sourced? I researched it years ago when I was shopping for the truck, but I've forgotten the specifics long ago. I do know that every single Taco I've looked at on the dealer lots showed a final assembly location of Mexico on the window sticker (Tijuana if I remember correctly).
And I agree completely on the aftermarket support. The Tacoma is like the Wrangler of pickups. I haven't done any offroad mods to my Frontier, and don't intend to, so it wasn't a factor for me.
TEAMRICO
05-29-2014, 12:57
Get a titan.
Bought mine in 07 when gas was $1.15ish....she's paid off but I should have gotten a Frontier, I really don't need the V8 as much as I thought I would and the pain at the pump would not be so bad.
sic_semper_tyrannis
05-29-2014, 13:11
she swears that Nissan has their shit together when it comes to quality vehicles. I have exclusively been looking at the Pro-4x model, and like what I've read and heard about them. Parking still being a hassle, is just maneuvering or is it size as well? My main gripe is that our Ram is just too wide for several places, mostly parking garages, and my GF's apartment complex, I'm not really worried about length and turning radius as much as I am about overall width.
I have zero concerns about the long term durability of the Frontier, especially since I treat my vehicles well and do my own oil changes. I can't vouch for the rest of the Nissan lineup, but the Frontier is good to go.
The Pro-4X is the only model I even test-drove, so I can't speak for the ride or handling of the base models. I absolutely love the suspension, and it can handle any normal off-roading that you encounter. I've never done any true rock climbing with it, but it tackles all the shitty forest service roads without a hiccup.
As for parking, the problem is both size and maneuvering. It's a big truck, and doesn't turn well. It fits just fine in a standard size parking space, but maneuvering into the space can be problematic at times. I don't normally have problems in a regular parking lot, but parking garages can be a real hassle. I also gave up completely on trying to parallel park it. It can suck trying to take it downtown and deal with the limited and tight parking. As for width, it is not as wide as a fullsize, but it is much wider than the previous generation or a compact truck, but like I said it will fit in a normal parking space just fine.
hollohas
05-29-2014, 13:15
Are there actually two different assembly plants? Or do you just mean that 2/3 of the components in the Taco are Texas-sourced? I researched it years ago when I was shopping for the truck, but I've forgotten the specifics long ago. I do know that every single Taco I've looked at on the dealer lots showed a final assembly location of Mexico on the window sticker (Tijuana if I remember correctly)
Yes, two different plants with most of the production moved to Texas in 2010 I believe. The plant in Tijuana only has the capacity to manufacture 50k Tacomas per year. They also manufacture most of the Tacoma beds in TJ for later assembly on the truck in TX. The plant in Texas can make 250k trucks per year split between Tundras and Tacomas. They are planning to increase that soon as the demand is higher than that.
Not sure which trim/model Tacoma they make in the TJ facility. I remember hearing it was the double cab but I could be wrong.
Toyota used to make some Tacomas at a joint plant in CA they shared with GM. But GM pulled out in 2009 due to their financial problems and Toyota pulled the Tacoma production from there as well. That's when they transferred majority production to TX.
Oh, also interesting is that prior to 2010 Tacomas were made in CA at a plant Toyota shared with GM. GM pulled out in 2009 due to their financial problems and Toyota followed. It was Toyota's only UAW facility in the USA. That's when they transferred Tacoma manufacturing to TX/TJ.
kawiracer14
05-29-2014, 14:40
Get a Tundra.
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baglock1
05-29-2014, 16:28
I haven't done any offroad mods to my Frontier, and don't intend to, so it wasn't a factor for me.
Too bad. The Titan swap front end with coilovers is tits. :)
NO way!
You are going to get rid of your BMW E46? I love those. New F3x BMW's are total crap. Same will most likely apply to MB W205.
One of the guy I know has a Frontier, and he liked it. He has about 160k going fairly strong. His wife drives that now, and he now drives F150 v8. If you want to stick with Nissan, I would also look at Titan.
DAcoma (tacoma) is a good truck as well. I haven't heard any complain from Tacoma drivers.
My mom is looking for an used F150/1500/RAM1500/Titan/Tundra size truck for her business. It is extremely hard to find a $12k 4 wheel drive truck w/ under 100k.
So that time has come, where I'm just no longer happy with owning a car anymore and desperately want a truck and also, for recreational purposes, need the ground clearance. That's right, I'm gonna get rid of the Beemer [Shock] As with my guns, I never go into an auto purchase without extensive research. My criteria was simple: smaller truck (not full-size), decent on gas, decently priced, good power (work in Denver, live in Evergreen, for now, I-70WB sucks without power), relatively inexpensive to fix. After weeks of research I found that the better option was the Nissan Frontier ('09-'13). Shockingly it got higher marks than the Toyota Tacoma (which I also found holds its value incredibly well, so no check in the decently priced box). So my question is, does anyone on here have an '09 or newer Nissan Frontier? What are the positives? What are the negatives? If you could do it all over again, would you still buy it?
Also, other questions came up... With my car, I can load up my guns in the trunk and off I go, but now with the decision to get a crew cab pickup, there comes the safe (relatively) and hidden storage of long guns. Besides "throw a blanket over it" is there any kind of truck storage for guns- like possibly a locking, pull-out drawer that installs under the back seat (if there's room)?
Thanks! [Beer]
HoneyBadger
05-29-2014, 16:32
You should see if honeyB still has their nissan, xterra? same frame / chassis. Myself, if storage as a concern i'd lean towards a sealed unit. I store our firearms in the clubcab / back seat of truck, unless it's a to & from range trip. Putting a locker , gun safe in the truch bed defeats the purpose of having a p.u truck. Consider a tool box for storage.
Frontier and Xterra are very similar. My vote would be the Xterra so you have real 4 door seating and the security of having everything enclosed, and get a trailer for when you need a pickup bed.
The Xterra is great on and off road, and I found more pleasant to drive than the Frontier.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/131099-2014-Nissan-Xterra-Pro-4X-only-5k-miles-on-it!
PM me if you're interested and I'll cut you an even better deal. [Awesom]
osok-308
05-29-2014, 17:12
My dad has a titan. I love driving that truck. I had the same two ideas for a truck, but I'm going with the Toyota. How it goes well. I like Nissan a lot.
blacklabel
05-29-2014, 17:54
2008 Nissan Frontier Nismo (essentially a Pro4x) with 75k miles on the clock checking in.
Pros:
Great value for the money
Decent interior room
16-17mpg in town, up to 23 on the highway
great offroad for a stock truck
reliable
good stereo
Cons:
Turning radius sucks
Tacoma owners look down on you.
If you get a good deal, buy it.
As stated earlier Cummins all the way!
crashdown
05-29-2014, 18:57
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/131099-2014-Nissan-Xterra-Pro-4X-only-5k-miles-on-it!
PM me if you're interested and I'll cut you an even better deal. [Awesom]
DO IT! Great deal.
I've never done any true rock climbing with it, but it tackles all the shitty forest service roads without a hiccup.
I don't anticipate much more than the service roads getting to some of those harder to reach shooting/camping spots. Just went to one last weekend near Fairplay that nearly sheared my friend's Corolla rear bumper off. I don't really do the rock crawling thing. [Beer]
2008 Nissan Frontier Nismo (essentially a Pro4x) with 75k miles on the clock checking in.
Pros:
Great value for the money
Decent interior room
16-17mpg in town, up to 23 on the highway
great offroad for a stock truck
reliable
good stereo
Cons:
Turning radius sucks
Tacoma owners look down on you.
If you get a good deal, buy it.
I keep hearing the con being the turning radius, I'll test drive one in the coming weeks and see for myself just how bad it is. And I'm not really worried about what Taco drivers think of me, just read another review from a guy who owned an '09 Tacoma and got offered a deal on a '13 Frontier, said the Frontier was a way more powerful engine, and a much smoother ride.
blacklabel
05-29-2014, 19:54
I don't anticipate much more than the service roads getting to some of those harder to reach shooting/camping spots. Just went to one last weekend near Fairplay that nearly sheared my friend's Corolla rear bumper off. I don't really do the rock crawling thing. [Beer]
I keep hearing the con being the turning radius, I'll test drive one in the coming weeks and see for myself just how bad it is. And I'm not really worried about what Taco drivers think of me, just read another review from a guy who owned an '09 Tacoma and got offered a deal on a '13 Frontier, said the Frontier was a way more powerful engine, and a much smoother ride.
Mine has developed a lot of creaks and groans after beating on it offroad, bent frame, a couple accidents. 260+hp V6 definitely gets it done on the interstate and around town.
HoneyBadger
05-29-2014, 20:05
DO IT! Great deal.
[Beer]
patrick0685
05-29-2014, 23:11
my personal experience is that Nissan just has terrible turning radius. Not sure why but every car I have driven of theirs is like turning a 18 wheeler
baglock1
05-29-2014, 23:20
I never thought the turning radius was that bad.
I never thought the turning radius was that bad.
I agree. My only complaint was the cramped back seat space. Well, and the fuel mileage. Never had an issue negotiating parking lots or drive throughs.
Isn't there an Isuzu pickup that's the same platform as the Frontier?
ETA: Never mind. The Frontier and the Suzuki Equator were the same vehicle several years ago.
I've seen some votes for the Titan/Armada. They are some of the thirstiest vehicles on the road and you'll pay for it at the pump.
baglock1
05-30-2014, 07:34
I agree. My only complaint was the cramped back seat space. Well, and the fuel mileage. Never had an issue negotiating parking lots or drive throughs.
I rarely had an adult in the backseat, but on those occasions, legroom was an issue. And I wholeheartedly agree on the fuel economy. I mentioned it previously but it's worth saying again: the Nissan 4.0L is a beast. A thirsty beast.
Why do people keep talking about the value of a used Tacoma being close to that of a brand new one as a bad thing? ROFL
It's called resale value. This is something most truck owners aren't used to so I understand the fear of the unknown. lol
I bought my 2010 Tacoma right a few years ago and could sell it today for what I paid for it. Tough to do with a Dodge, GM or Ford full size truck these days.
I rarely had an adult in the backseat, but on those occasions, legroom was an issue.
Probably comparable to my BMW... and when over 1/2 of my friends are over 6' tall I'm the most popular car to get into fights about "shotgun."
Why do people keep talking about the value of a used Tacoma being close to that of a brand new one as a bad thing? ROFL
Bad for prospective buyers, not for current owners. And my gripe about the Tacoma is that it's not in my affordability range until it gets to be around 6 years old, meanwhile, I can go out and get a '13 Frontier.
Bad for prospective buyers, not for current owners. And my gripe about the Tacoma is that it's not in my affordability range until it gets to be around 6 years old, meanwhile, I can go out and get a '13 Frontier.
How so? I was a perspective buyer a few years ago and I was smart enough to see that higher used truck prices meant higher resale value. They go hand in hand so you're not going to find a Tacoma that's only a few years old worth half as much as it's new price but this also means that you don't have to worry about selling your new Tacoma (or used for that matter) at a HUGE discount to get it sold. They're a desirable truck and you can try to explain why this is a bad thing or you can realize that this equates to resale value (usually due to proven reliability over decades of service) and invest a little bit more up front to get a more reliable truck that is worth more later or you can save a few bucks now and probably have more issues to fix while owning it and get much less for resale or trade-in later. That's just how it works & I don't make the rules of the free market.
How so? I was a perspective buyer a few years ago and I was smart enough to see that higher used truck prices meant higher resale value. They go hand in hand so you're not going to find a Tacoma that's only a few years old worth half as much as it's new price but this also means that you don't have to worry about selling your new Tacoma (or used for that matter) at a HUGE discount to get it sold. They're a desirable truck and you can try to explain why this is a bad thing or you can realize that this equates to resale value (usually due to proven reliability over decades of service) and invest a little bit more up front to get a more reliable truck that is worth more later or you can save a few bucks now and probably have more issues to fix while owning it and get much less for resale or trade-in later. That's just how it works & I don't make the rules of the free market.
True- but when I read several reviews and hear from several people that if it was so superior why is the Nissan better in several categories then the resale value thing becomes more of a overpriced thing. My opinion anyway. [Beer]
True- but when I read several reviews and hear from several people that if it was so superior why is the Nissan better in several categories then the resale value thing becomes more of a overpriced thing. My opinion anyway. [Beer]
Does it matter? Neither you or I decide public perception so why fight it? Sure, you can buy a Nissan because you feel like it's better but that won't change the fact that the Tacoma is a more sought after truck and has been for quite some time. Likely will be for quite some time. When you go to resell your Frontier it will have lost more of it's value and likely it will have cost you more to maintain over the course of ownership.
It might also have to do with the fact that when I head up wheelin' in the mountains I see TONS of Toyotas, Jeeps & very few Nissans and the ones I do are usually older 4-Runners that are SAS'd out. Probably a reason for that too. Even if you don't plan to offroad your truck this should be something you take into consideration as it points directly to build quality and reliability which carries over to even pedestrian uses of the same vehicle.
All that being said, other than a better sounding stereo system I didn't feel like the Frontier was better after driving several of both back to back. The Nissan had more bells, whistles and whiz-bang things that made you think it was sparkly and shiny but in the end I prefer the simplicity of the Tacoma just like I did my previous Tundra. It didn't lead the segment in the latest gizmos but what it had was well thought out and just worked. Period.
How 'bout a Cummins diesel Frontier?
http://www.nissanusa.com/future-and-concept-vehicles/frontier-diesel-runner
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How 'bout a Cummins diesel Frontier?
http://www.nissanusa.com/future-and-concept-vehicles/frontier-diesel-runner
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I still don't understand why anyone would want a diesel powerplant in a mid-size truck. With diesel prices and restrictions as they are in the US it doesn't make economical sense. If you need the torque then you likely will invest in a full-size truck with the frame to handle it it is you need a diesel for. They last longer but the buy-in price difference will mostly offset that. I know there are those who are outspoken about it but it appears as though I'm in the vast majority as nobody is tripping over themselves to bring it to market. I mean, if you have a use for it then you're probably pretty excited about the news but I won't be trading my Tacoma in on one anytime soon.
My father has had a Frontier for 3 or 4 years now and loves it. He highly recemends it. And he's a really picky individual.
ZERO THEORY
05-30-2014, 11:13
I do have to say, Frontiers look awesome with some suspension work.
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1129/ninjaboy636.jpg
I still don't understand why anyone would want a diesel powerplant in a mid-size truck. With diesel prices and restrictions as they are in the US it doesn't make economical sense. If you need the torque then you likely will invest in a full-size truck with the frame to handle it it is you need a diesel for. They last longer but the buy-in price difference will mostly offset that. I know there are those who are outspoken about it but it appears as though I'm in the vast majority as nobody is tripping over themselves to bring it to market. I mean, if you have a use for it then you're probably pretty excited about the news but I won't be trading my Tacoma in on one anytime soon.
I'd like a diesel mid-size because it offers enough torque to really push that off-road limit in steep inclines. It offers better fuel economy which should already be present in a smaller truck. You get the comfort and reliability of an iron block and head, more speed, and a more impressive power band.
I agree that if you need a diesel for pulling or hauling, you'll be going full-size anyway. But it's a cool, long overdue way to bridge the gap between recreational 4x4 and trucking.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2014, 11:32
Jeep offers a diesel in their small-ish vehicles, Chevy's coming out with a diesel in the Colorado next year and already puts one in the Cruze, VW puts a diesel in their small cars and put one in the rabbit p/u decades ago, and that's just a partial listing. I think Americans are finally realizing the benefits of small diesel engines in all sorts of vehicles. I suspect the diesel-powered Colorado will be a big seller.
SouthPaw
05-30-2014, 11:34
Surprised no one has asked this yet, but how much are you planning on spending? That may answer a lot of questions.
I do have to say, Frontiers look awesome with some suspension work.
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1129/ninjaboy636.jpg
I'd like a diesel mid-size because it offers enough torque to really push that off-road limit in steep inclines. It offers better fuel economy which should already be present in a smaller truck. You get the comfort and reliability of an iron block and head, more speed, and a more impressive power band.
I agree that if you need a diesel for pulling or hauling, you'll be going full-size anyway. But it's a cool, long overdue way to bridge the gap between recreational 4x4 and trucking.
Tacomas look pretty awesome lifted too and there's WAY more of an aftermarket if you like lifts and 4-wheel parts & such.
With an iron block & head comes more weight. More weight is proportionately a downside on smaller trucks than it is larger trucks. There's guys doing pretty good work with 4cyl engines on rock climbing. As for more speed and more impressive power band I have a TRD supercharger so I get the best of all worlds.
Jeep offers a diesel in their small-ish vehicles, Chevy's coming out with a diesel in the Colorado next year and already puts one in the Cruze, VW puts a diesel in their small cars and put one in the rabbit p/u decades ago, and that's just a partial listing. I think Americans are finally realizing the benefits of small diesel engines in all sorts of vehicles. I suspect the diesel-powered Colorado will be a big seller.
I fully realize there have been small diesels in small cars for quite a while but those didn't set the market unfire even before all the government intervention on diesel gas caused the prices to sky rocket. I think some will buy diesel powered vehicles just because but for those who really need the advantages that a diesel power plant can give them will buy a full size truck with a frame and components more capable of what it is they need
As for the Colorado being a big seller... I lol'd on that one. I don't care what power plant they put in that thing it won't be a big seller. It will take a decade or more before people start to trust that brand, and more specifically model, again. I would LOVE to be able to buy a midsize GM truck that rivals or even surpasses my Tacoma in all categories including reliability and resale but we're nowhere near that being a reality. Bottom line is even if you don't want a Colorado and love the Frontier or Tacoma the competition will drive whatever truck model you love to get better to compete. The more competition these is in the segment the more we ALL benefit as consumers. I hope that diesel Frontier is a smash hit... I just draw from decades of history to make the prediction that it likely won't & is more of a pub stunt to attempt to regain lost market shares than a way to give the masses what they wanted. The masses have been happily buying gas powered midsize trucks for decades now and only a very small section of buyers have been asking the loudest for a diesel. Well, now we'll see how it does since someone is actually making one. I know I for one won't be rushing to buy Nissan stock on the heels of this announcement and I would short sell it first because I have a feeling this venture will cost Nissan more than it will profit them in the long term. This isn't the right thread to debate diesel v gas or how much respect GM lot on the general public though so I'll just leave that alone for now.
Surprised no one has asked this yet, but how much are you planning on spending? That my answer a lot of questions.
But then people would truly care about what's best for the OP than peddling what's best for them. lol
Bailey Guns
05-30-2014, 11:55
I didn't say it'll set the US market on fire. And yes, diesels (in smaller vehicles) haven't been big sellers in the US historically but they have been overseas for years because they're dependable and efficient. That's becoming more and more apparent to US consumers...especially the efficiency thing.
I guess I should've qualified my statement about the Colorado...by "big seller" I meant I think they'll easily sell all they produce.
I also disagree with your assessment of GM truck quality though I can only speak to the full-size trucks. I don't drive small trucks because they can't do what I need them to do and I like the room offered by a full-size truck. But I'd put the quality of my 2012 Silverado 2500HD (gas) up against anything.
ETA: I'm outta this discussion because I have nothing to offer in answer to the OP's question.
HoneyBadger
05-30-2014, 12:03
I rarely had an adult in the backseat, but on those occasions, legroom was an issue. And I wholeheartedly agree on the fuel economy. I mentioned it previously but it's worth saying again: the Nissan 4.0L is a beast. A thirsty beast.
No legroom problems in the Xterra. 4.0 engine is awesome!
I do have to say, Frontiers look awesome with some suspension work.
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1129/ninjaboy636.jpg
TRUTH! That looks beautiful! Also, considering I'm setting aside a few hundred, they look great with a grille guard on 'em too... I'm doing the next truck right, the model, style and color I want. My BMW I wanted black, but got a killer deal on a grey one so I took what I could get considering I was only home for 3 1/2 weeks to buy a car.
Surprised no one has asked this yet, but how much are you planning on spending? That may answer a lot of questions.
I'd like to keep it under $28K considering what I have as down payment and whatever I can for my car (I'm planning altogether after car and down having to get less than $20K from USAA). So that pretty much eliminates brand spanking new, but I've been able to find a couple 2013's for under $30K.
I also disagree with your assessment of GM truck quality though I can only speak to the full-size trucks. I don't drive small trucks because they can't do what I need them to do and I like the room offered by a full-size truck. But I'd put the quality of my 2012 Silverado 2500HD (gas) up against anything.
ETA: I'm outta this discussion because I have nothing to offer in answer to the OP's question.
I totally understand you having a Silverado 2500HD... My main thing, I don't have a use for a full-size, so why even go there? That's more than I need, and more than I'm looking for. When it comes to mid-size, I'm really not wowed by the domestic variety any more... That's one thing the Japs do better than us, but we still have better full-size (I'd take a Ram or Chevy over the Titan or Tundra any day).
SouthPaw
05-30-2014, 16:02
I'd like to keep it under $28K considering what I have as down payment and whatever I can for my car (I'm planning altogether after car and down having to get less than $20K from USAA). So that pretty much eliminates brand spanking new, but I've been able to find a couple 2013's for under $30K.
Spend a few more $$$ and get a new truck for $30K-$33K. You will have a brand new truck and a warranty. I prefer the Tacoma over Frontier as I feel they are built better and hold their value better. If you decide to go under $20k, look into a half ton sized truck.
blacklabel
05-30-2014, 16:11
If you just want a spacer lift for a Frontier, All Day Fab has a spacer kit for $150ish if I remember correctly. The aftermarket support isn't nearly as great as it is for the Tacoma but it's not bad.
I totally understand you having a Silverado 2500HD... My main thing, I don't have a use for a full-size, so why even go there? That's more than I need, and more than I'm looking for. When it comes to mid-size, I'm really not wowed by the domestic variety any more... That's one thing the Japs do better than us, but we still have better full-size (I'd take a Ram or Chevy over the Titan or Tundra any day).
I disagree about full size trucks completely unless you need a 1-ton diesel for towing. My buddy is a farmer in Nebraska where they use pick-up trucks for the purposes they were designed. They have a couple dozen pick-ups ranging from 1/4-ton windows & keys models to $65k GMC/Ford diesels and they put them all to work. After years of trying to convince him to try one Tundra in his line-up he finally caved and got one. Day one he had a 10,000lb water trailer on it and called me to brag about how amazing it was compared to his other trucks. He's had it almost a year now and has 50k hard miles on it and it's held up WAY better than any of his domestic trucks. He had two Raptors that pretty much went to shit in half the miles as this one. I know this thread isn't about full-size trucks so I won't get into detail but I'll just say that the domestic manufacturers really need to get on their horse because they're behind and surviving on their name at this point. They're starting to come around a little but have already lost lots of market share to foreign interests in a segment that they owned since they created it but you can only shove shit down your consumer's throats before they find take their loyalties elsewhere.
Speaking of that, I know of a Double Cab 2010 Tacoma sport (scooped hood & color keyed bumpers, mirrors & handles) w/39k miles with a 3" lift & topper up here that a buddy's dealership (he's also a member here) just took in on trade that will be going for less than $30k (maybe by a grand or two) last I heard. It's MGM which is a darker gray color that is an awesome color in person. Sounds like it's a pretty nice truck.
If you just want a spacer lift for a Frontier, All Day Fab has a spacer kit for $150ish if I remember correctly. The aftermarket support isn't nearly as great as it is for the Tacoma but it's not bad.
Don't do spacers or blocks to lift man. Spend a few hundred more and do it right or just leave it stock right height. WAY too many horror stories from people who did them regarding unsafe handling, wrecking existing suspension components or both. If I bought a truck with spacers /blocks I'd drive it home immediately and remove them. Whatever you buy, don't do spacers or blocks.
BTW, you can get a set of Bilstein 5100's for the Tacoma that allow you three different height settings (0.75", 1.5" or 2.25") for less than $200 and the ride is as good or better than the factory offroad Bilstein struts. On my truck I have mine set at the middle setting with the TSB rear leafs (OEM add-a-leaf you can have done for free if you request it) for a slightly more aggressive stance and look. It's not what I would consider even lifted compared to most Tacomas that do suspension and I still think it looks pretty good...
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2Y12QBvc9fM/U0h8JDTV6fI/AAAAAAAAJMs/pXpxHzCVdak/s1024/TacomaNfabs.jpg
blacklabel
05-30-2014, 16:38
Don't do spacers or blocks to lift man. Spend a few hundred more and do it right or just leave it stock right height. WAY too many horror stories from people who did them regarding unsafe handling, wrecking existing suspension components or both. If I bought a truck with spacers /blocks I'd drive it home immediately and remove them. Whatever you buy, don't do spacers or blocks.
They're perfectly fine if you don't plan on going offroad and just want the look within reason. Anything over 2.5" in the front on a Frontier and you start running into problems.
They're perfectly fine if you don't plan on going offroad and just want the look within reason. Anything over 2.5" in the front on a Frontier and you start running into problems.
I don't go for looks, I go for function, and I wouldn't go over 2.5" anyway, don't need to roll the beast.
On the buying new, I'm not sure I can afford that big of a monthly payment, but I've heard financing on new is usually easier to come by.
On a related note (well fuel economy), are tonneau covers worth it? One of my redneck buddies says "Tonneau cover? Just pop the gate off, bam! Just saved you $300!" LOL
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DavieD55
05-30-2014, 18:41
Before you dive into a Frontier go take a Taco for a test drive, that is if you haven't tried one out yet.
blacklabel
05-30-2014, 18:52
On a related note (well fuel economy), are tonneau covers worth it? One of my redneck buddies says "Tonneau cover? Just pop the gate off, bam! Just saved you $300!" LOL
I didn't have mine on long enough to get a decent baseline but I do seem to get better mileage than most Frontier owners but I also drive like a grandpa. I picked one up used for $200 that can't be opened unless the tailgate is down so I can lock the tailgate and have a little piece of mind that someone won't come by and won't pulling something out of the bed of my truck.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2014, 19:02
Light Truck Market Share Jan 2014 vs Jan 2013
Chevy/GMC declined by 5%. (just over 33% of US market share in Jan 2014)
Ford up 1% (over 38% of market share in Jan 2014)
Ram up 4.3% (about 21% of market share in Jan 2014)
Toyota up .9% (only holds about 6.5% of the light truck market in the USA)
Nissan down by .4% (less than 1% of the light truck market in the USA)
GM most likely lost market share because GM didn't provide the dramatic sales incentives that Ford and Ram did and focused on higher profitability. The average transaction for GM was about $40,000 as compared to about $33,000 for Ford. Ford increased incentive spending by about 24% to GM's 4%.
Bottom line...Toyota and Nissan have a long way to go to catch up to the big boys in the light truck market.
Yeah, a majority of the people owned iPhones too. That didn't make them the best option. I don't base my decisions on market share #'s.
Hey Ronin. Check out the Ehrlich prices in Greely. They are taking over $5000 off MSRP. I've been looking for a Xterra.
http://www.clickonnissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?listingConfigId=auto-new&year=&model=Frontier&bodyStyle=&internetPrice=&start=0&sort=&facetbrowse=true&searchLinkText=SEARCH&showFacetCounts=true&showRadius=false&showSubmit=true&showSelections=true
blacklabel
05-30-2014, 19:21
Yeah, a majority of the people owned iPhones too. That didn't make them the best option. I don't base my decisions on market share #'s.
I drove a brand new F-150 for a week and while I liked it, I wouldn't buy one over my Frontier.
Bailey Guns
05-30-2014, 19:23
We're not talking about basing a purchase decision on market share numbers or how many iPhones people bought. You claimed Detroit had lost "lots of market share" to the imports, specifically Toyota and Nissan, and the figures don't lie. They haven't lost "lots" of market share. Ford sold 763,402 F-series pickups last year. Toyota sold about 272,000 (Tundra and Tacoma), Nissan sold about 79,000 (Titan and Frontier).
Detroit trucks account for 93% of the light truck market.
hollohas
05-30-2014, 19:37
On a related note (well fuel economy), are tonneau covers worth it? One of my redneck buddies says "Tonneau cover? Just pop the gate off, bam! Just saved you $300!" LOL
Trucks are more fuel efficient with the tailgate on. Without the tailgate a low pressure area develops behind the truck effectively increasing drag. The airflow becomes very disturbed without the tailgate. It actually runs smooth with the tailgate. One of the big manufactures just confirmed this, GMC I think (and mythbusters did years ago as well).
And here's Consumer Reports test. Covers and tailgates down hurt fuel economy.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/08/pickup-truck-tailgates-and-fuel-economy/index.htm
Bailey Guns
05-30-2014, 19:39
^^ I heard somewhere that the tailgate down thing was an old wives tale. Apparently it is.
hurley842002
05-30-2014, 19:40
I'll just set these right here....
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/31/ysune7uj.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/31/udy7yzu4.jpg
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I chose 02 because that's what year my Taco is, but I did my best to use all similar options, and used the same mileage across the board. There is a reason Tacoma's hold there value, and it's not because they are just magically more expensive than the rest. With that said, I looked at Frontiers and would not hesitate to buy one. Only reason I didn't is because in order to get the same options my Taco had, I was going to have to get outside my budget and buy a newer truck.
BushMasterBoy
05-30-2014, 20:30
I'd go searching nationwide for a used 5.3 L V8 Colorado or GMC Canyon. 300 horse full size truck engine in a small truck. Or you could wait for a small diesel...
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2015-chevrolet-colorado-ten-things-know-200009325.html
hurley842002
05-30-2014, 20:37
I'd go searching nationwide for a used 5.3 L V8 Colorado or GMC Canyon. 300 horse full size truck engine in a small truck. Or you could wait for a small diesel...
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2015-chevrolet-colorado-ten-things-know-200009325.html
I was also looking at the V8 Colorado/Canyon, unfortunately they were more than I wanted to pay, and hard to find, BAD ASS tho!
Hey Ronin. Check out the Ehrlich prices in Greely. They are taking over $5000 off MSRP. I've been looking for a Xterra.
http://www.clickonnissan.com/new-inventory/index.htm?listingConfigId=auto-new&year=&model=Frontier&bodyStyle=&internetPrice=&start=0&sort=&facetbrowse=true&searchLinkText=SEARCH&showFacetCounts=true&showRadius=false&showSubmit=true&showSelections=true
Holy awesome! How are they getting away with that? I might have to check them out. It might be a few weeks before I make the buy (camping next weekend), so I won't be test driving for at least two more weeks. But I will give the taco a shot, even though I'm about 70% on the 'san.
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Holy awesome! How are they getting away with that? I might have to check them out. It might be a few weeks before I make the buy (camping next weekend), so I won't be test driving for at least two more weeks. But I will give the taco a shot, even though I'm about 70% on the 'san.
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Not sure man. But I'd print that page out so at least you have some ammo when you walk in to a dealer that might be closer. Those Frontier's are sharp. I'm pretty sure I'll be getting a Nissan soon myself.
BushMasterBoy
05-30-2014, 21:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJqPS9J35j8
ROFL
4spd transmission in that 'flagship' truck?!? Welcome to the 1980's. Want further proof of why I said what I said about domestic trucks, specifically the Canyon?
Canyon
(V8 5.3)
0-60: 6.7 sec (avg.)
1/4 mile: 15.5 sec
Max Towing Capacity: 6,000 lb
Engine: V8 - 5.3 L OHC 16 valve
HP: 300 hp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 320 lb-ft @ 4600 rpm
RWD / 4WD
4-Speed AT
Fuel Economy: 14/19 (avg.) mpg
Tacoma
(4.0L V6 )
0-60: 7.0 sec
1/4 mile: 15.4 sec
Towing Capacity: 6,500 lb
Engine: V6 – 4.0 L DOHC 24 valve
HP: 236 hp @ 5200 rpm
Torque: 266 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
RWD / 4WD
Transmission: 6-Speed MT / 5-Speed AT
Fuel Economy (MT): (RWD) 16/21 / (4WD) 15/19 mpg
Fuel Economy (AT) : (RWD) 17/21 / (4WD) 16/21 mpg
So... the vaunted V8 Canyon is a tenth of a second slower in the quarter mile, has a 500lb lower towing capacity & gets a few mpg less than the Tacoma V6. 'Doing less with more for generations' should be the GM moto. It also cost more ($1300 option on the V8) in 2012 & is now worth less than a Tacoma. On top of all of that, that's one fugly truck inside & out. Interior design is early 2000's which is one of the worst interiors ever designed since it so closely mimicks those of 90's GM vehicles.. blech!
How does resale value factor in for people who don't plan on selling anything?
I actually know an answer to this, just trying to make a point.
Great-Kazoo
05-31-2014, 00:48
How does resale value factor in for people who don't plan on selling anything?
I actually know an answer to this, just trying to make a point.
No one ever plans on "having to sell" . Sometimes unplanned things dictate otherwise.
ChadAmberg
05-31-2014, 08:29
I don't go for looks, I go for function, and I wouldn't go over 2.5" anyway, don't need to roll the beast.
On the buying new, I'm not sure I can afford that big of a monthly payment, but I've heard financing on new is usually easier to come by.
On a related note (well fuel economy), are tonneau covers worth it? One of my redneck buddies says "Tonneau cover? Just pop the gate off, bam! Just saved you $300!" LOL
Consider many dealers are having 0% financing.
Also on the fuel economy: I thought that it's been well debunked that taking the gate off or doing other things to the bed helps. The tailgate creates a bubble of stable air in the bed that helps aerodynamics in a counterintuitive way. The best way is the way the manufacturer designed it. Although maybe a full bed cover to make it more SUV like may help.
Take a look at the Top Gear episode where they take on the HiLux (euro name for the Tacoma)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk
They all but drop a nuke on it, and it keeps on going. Years later they still keep it in their show.
battle_sight_zero
05-31-2014, 09:38
I bought a Frontier last week. I did own an Xttera for the last 8 years as we have children. So far I love and I look forward to using it for range and hunting trips. I have the crew cab with the off road package. Interior is also nice with leather seats , navigation, rear camera etc. I looked at drove Chevys , Fords, Dodges and Toyotas. I feel I got more bank for the buck with this truck. I did check the V8 but none of them would fit in my garage but I also wanted a better gas mileage. I am sure I will get a good 8 years out of this Nissan too. This is the one I got http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bLZd9pI79nc
Also has some good potential storage places for carbines and gear. Three people can sit in the backseat with no problem.
As far as the question of why not a full size compared to a mid-size, for me personally it would be because I'd like to use the truck for off-roading on the weekends, and would just like a bed to make Home Depot trips easier. If off-roading/camping wasn't as big of a draw, then certainly full size over mid-size given the fuel efficiency issue.
clublights
05-31-2014, 15:02
Also on the fuel economy: I thought that it's been well debunked that taking the gate off or doing other things to the bed helps. The tailgate creates a bubble of stable air in the bed that helps aerodynamics in a counterintuitive way. The best way is the way the manufacturer designed it. Although maybe a full bed cover to make it more SUV like may help.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure The Mythbusters have covered this a few different times and proven that the truck does fine without the mods and some mods actually made worse milage.
osok-308
06-10-2014, 17:45
I totally understand you having a Silverado 2500HD... My main thing, I don't have a use for a full-size, so why even go there? That's more than I need, and more than I'm looking for. When it comes to mid-size, I'm really not wowed by the domestic variety any more... That's one thing the Japs do better than us, but we still have better full-size (I'd take a Ram or Chevy over the Titan or Tundra any day).
I agree, which is why I decided on either the tacoma or frontier. After careful consideration, the Frontier won out. Just bought this today.
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blacklabel
06-10-2014, 18:13
Good lookin' truck. Now go beat on it.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FKwJp1IC8u4/Ue1mwmWtLuI/AAAAAAAADKY/aVD3c9W817k/w913-h685-no/IMG_20130622_124304.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--zvq5yz2iFo/Ue1mzbXddHI/AAAAAAAADK4/gneEzAb90RI/w913-h685-no/IMG_20130622_124411.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AsaiM4065Sg/Ue1m948PKQI/AAAAAAAADOY/nWbykWsxu20/w913-h685-no/IMG_20130622_143323.jpg
My Duramax gets 18.4.
call Hudson Autosource in Silverthorne see what they have for ya.
Screw Nissan,,, wannbee truck.
My Duramax gets 18.4.
call Hudson Autosource in Silverthorne see what they have for ya.
Screw Nissan,,, wannbee truck.
Did you even read a single post in this thread, including what the OP is actually looking for?
hurley842002
06-10-2014, 18:26
Did you even read a single post in this thread, including what the OP is actually looking for?
Probably not, just another foreign auto Hater.
The OP, wants a smaller truck that he can maneuver around some back country in, I'm also going to assume the OP would prefer to not beat the crap out of it on the trails. The OP's criteria is very similar to what mine was when looking for a truck. With all that said, I'll challenge anyone suggesting a full size, to follow me up some trails, without sustaining ANY damage to their trucks. I have nothing against full size trucks, but they don't always have their place, in fact for some they can be a hindrance.
Don't like Nissan. and Chevy, GMC makes a smaller truck as well.
And you guys that like foreign trucks have a problem, so why be on the AR fourum?
hurley842002
06-10-2014, 18:49
And you guys that like foreign trucks have a problem, so why be on the AR fourum?
What on earth are you talking about?
Bailey Guns
06-10-2014, 18:50
[Pop]
[ROFL3]What is it?
Sarcasm wait for it, learn it, live it, it got YOU.
hghclsswhitetrsh
06-10-2014, 19:09
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YEAH
Buy American, what little you can, buy it Damn it or go to walmart where everything is made in uh overseas America,,,
Colorado_Outback
06-10-2014, 19:19
And you guys that like foreign trucks have a problem, so why be on the AR fourum?
If that's your definition of sarcasm you should have someone check you for a stroke.
What on earth are you talking about?
Thank you. That was the stupidest thing I've heard all week and I've heard some mighty dumb shit this week already.
YEAH
Buy American, what little you can, buy it Damn it or go to walmart where everything is made in uh overseas America,,,
I'll bite....
Define American. Sure the corporate offices may be here but between tax shelters and whatever crooked shit is pulled at the corporate levels how much does that really help our economy?
Toyota's corporate offices may not be here but the truck I bought was built right here in San Antonio Texas where they're providing thousands of jobs for Americans. Same thing for our Kia Optima.
So, you see, in my eyes I DID buy American as I'm supporting REAL American families instead of a faceless corporation that would sell me into slavery to the Mexican Drug Cartel if it meant a $5USD profit.
All that aside, I bought the best value for my money. Period. IMO years of blindly 'Buying American' is what has fueled our rabid race to the bottom since there was zero motivation to innovate. Meanwhile every other country HAD to make a better product for less money to compete and now look.... government bailouts to keep a struggling company afloat when we should have let them fail as reward for decades of mediocrity so that another newer company with a better way to do things could have had their opportunity to shine and show American innovation. Instead backroom deals and stealing billions from the tax payer has kept us right where we are on the world stage. Bravo.
I always go on a Gun Forum to ask what Truck to buy.
It's fun too watch you guys like going to the circus without leaving home.
hurley842002
06-10-2014, 19:52
I always go on a Gun Forum to ask what Truck to buy.
It's fun too watch you guys like going to the circus without leaving home.
Oh damn, you mean all the years I've been participating in this forum, we are only to converse about guns? Surprised I wasn't banned long ago....
Back on topic,
FORD they circle the problem.
Hey the new Fords have Heated tailgates,,, so your hands don't get cold when ya push them.
Oh damn, you mean all the years I've been participating in this forum, we are only to converse about guns? Surprised I wasn't banned long ago....
So when you are having sex,,,
I always go on a Gun Forum to ask what Truck to buy.
It's fun too watch you guys like going to the circus without leaving home.
Maybe he values our input & experience. Probably not so much yours.
SO how much sperience ya got?
hurley842002
06-10-2014, 19:58
So when you are having sex,,,
I have a one year old, I don't have sex lol.
Anyway, I'll bow out of this one, as I don't want to stray any further off the OP, sorry to the original poster for the useless banter.
LOL can't have fun with a bunch of Ole ladies on this site.
they all have their panties in a bunch.
PS more peeps added to the NOT INVITED TO THE PIGGY ROAST.
Oh I see some where already on that list. Check
PS more peeps added to the NOT INVITED TO THE PIGGY ROAST.
Oh I see some where already on that list. Check
I don't think even you know what you're talking about now. I bet you're a hero in your own mind on these unintelligible (at best) posts.
Jer get over yourself, you look like a girl.
Jer get over yourself, you look like a girl.
lol
Nice try.
Hey been fun, gotta go daughter is having surgery early am so need some rest.
And for all it's worth buy whatever you can afford/want.
Me I try to stick to vehicles I grew up with.
(New Duramax 2500 LTZ71)
Night Jer wink wink
osok-308
06-10-2014, 20:18
YEAH
Buy American, what little you can, buy it Damn it or go to walmart where everything is made in uh overseas America,,,
You do realize that even foreign car companies assemble cars in the U.S. and pay American laborers as well, right?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dick%20measuring%20contest
WOW really,, geez I just jumped off the turnip truck yesterday.
GOOOOOOLLLeeee.
Ya mean the profits stay HERE?
Mr Toyota lives HERE?
Nissan exects' live HERE?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dick%20measuring%20contest
So Jer is a Male?
My Duramax gets 18.4.
call Hudson Autosource in Silverthorne see what they have for ya.
Screw Nissan,,, wannbee truck.
Don't like Nissan. and Chevy, GMC makes a smaller truck as well.
And you guys that like foreign trucks have a problem, so why be on the AR fourum?
[ROFL3]What is it?
Sarcasm wait for it, learn it, live it, it got YOU.
YEAH
Buy American, what little you can, buy it Damn it or go to walmart where everything is made in uh overseas America,,,
I always go on a Gun Forum to ask what Truck to buy.
It's fun too watch you guys like going to the circus without leaving home.
Back on topic,
FORD they circle the problem.
Hey the new Fords have Heated tailgates,,, so your hands don't get cold when ya push them.
So when you are having sex,,,
SO how much sperience ya got?
LOL can't have fun with a bunch of Ole ladies on this site.
they all have their panties in a bunch.
PS more peeps added to the NOT INVITED TO THE PIGGY ROAST.
Oh I see some where already on that list. Check
Jer get over yourself, you look like a girl.
Hey been fun, gotta go daughter is having surgery early am so need some rest.
And for all it's worth buy whatever you can afford/want.
Me I try to stick to vehicles I grew up with.
(New Duramax 2500 LTZ71)
Night Jer wink wink
Quoted for posterity so you can come back and marvel at yourself once you sober up. Best wishes for your daughter.
So Jer is a Male?
Not only am I a male but I got chunks of guys like you in my stool.
Quoted for posterity so you can come back and marvel at yourself once you sober up. Best wishes for your daughter.
Thanks jer.
It has all been in jest. Trying to keep mind off of tomorrow.
Like I said buy whatever. We are no longer an independent country, no country is.
Not only am I a male but I got chunks of guys like you in my stool.
Now that's scary.
Hey sportsman warehouse has .223 - 500 for 150.00
Thanks jer.
It has all been in jest. Trying to keep mind off of tomorrow.
Understandable. Don't worry, she'll be fine. I can tell because she's already been through enough in life having to be your daughter. ;-)
ZERO THEORY
06-10-2014, 20:34
What is happening in here?
blacklabel
06-10-2014, 20:34
This became Mtn. Man's post whore thread.
Got a few more post's.
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10313589_765535286819540_7899538350426032514_n.jpg
hurley842002
06-10-2014, 20:40
Hey been fun, gotta go daughter is having surgery early am so need some rest.
Best wishes for your daughter!
Bailey Guns
06-10-2014, 20:46
Not only am I a male but I got chunks of guys like you in my stool.
Which begs the question, how, exactly did it get there? Because it makes a difference.
Which begs the question, how, exactly did it get there? Because it makes a difference.
It doesn't beg anything so the real question here is why are you so interested in the composition of my fecal matter?
osok-308
06-10-2014, 21:05
WOW really,, geez I just jumped off the turnip truck yesterday.
GOOOOOOLLLeeee.
Ya mean the profits stay HERE?
Mr Toyota lives HERE?
Nissan exects' live HERE?
Don't care about the execs. They are still providing AMERICANS with jobs that help them feed their families. By your logic I should also not purchase Glocks, Berettas, FNs, HKs, Sigs, Taurus, CZ, Benelli, Bersa, EAA, or any other firearm that isn't an American company even though they may have factories in this country and make firearms here?
Ok since I'm the OP, I'm obligated to chime in on this wildly absurd turn this discussion has taken.
1- I didn't ask what truck to buy, it's not like a discussion where I'm asking "I'm in the market for an AR, know absolutely nothing about what exactly I want, so help me out." No, I said I'm considering this truck, does anyone have one currently or recently, what did you think? What did you like? What didn't you like? I think we established those questions and answered them beyond my satisfaction.
2- The Frontier is built in America, that's good enough for me, even if some Japanese guys end up with the final profit, they still employ US workers in a US factory that pays them a nice paycheck so they can go out and live in America (unlike several US companies that build a lot of their vehicles in Canada and Mexico). I'm not too worried about it being a technically "Japanese truck." In the end I don't need to justify my patriotism by the truck I drive, I think my service to my country is patriotic enough for my own validation to myself, I don't need to prove anything to anyone. That's my honest to shit opinion on that. Jer pointed that out perfectly- that "America or eff you" mentality is quite honestly tired and contrived.
3- Thanks to Battle_sight_zero, Blacklabel, osok and everyone else for the valuable input on the Frontiers you guys own (good looking trucks to those of you posting pics). Honestly, and this could be just personal taste, looking more into it, and actually walking a lot or two recently, I like the look of the Frontier more than the other smaller trucks in the running. Of course many will say just go full size- have been on and off driving my family's '05 Dodge Ram 1500 for about 4 years now, that thing is a monster, and really not the best for those wild hair nights where the GF and I or friends and I end up in the city and parking gets to be just a wee bit too tight for a big honker to fit. So yeah, thanks guys... this has been a good discussion so far, and as soon as I'm ready to buy I'll be sure to post pics, of course pre-grille guard and after. [Beer]
osok-308
06-10-2014, 21:57
Ok since I'm the OP, I'm obligated to chime in on this wildly absurd turn this discussion has taken.
1- I didn't ask what truck to buy, it's not like a discussion where I'm asking "I'm in the market for an AR, know absolutely nothing about what exactly I want, so help me out." No, I said I'm considering this truck, does anyone have one currently or recently, what did you think? What did you like? What didn't you like? I think we established those questions and answered them beyond my satisfaction.
2- The Frontier is built in America, that's good enough for me, even if some Japanese guys end up with the final profit, they still employ US workers in a US factory that pays them a nice paycheck so they can go out and live in America (unlike several US companies that build a lot of their vehicles in Canada and Mexico). I'm not too worried about it being a technically "Japanese truck." In the end I don't need to justify my patriotism by the truck I drive, I think my service to my country is patriotic enough for my own validation to myself, I don't need to prove anything to anyone. That's my honest to shit opinion on that. Jer pointed that out perfectly- that "America or eff you" mentality is quite honestly tired and contrived.
3- Thanks to Battle_sight_zero, Blacklabel, osok and everyone else for the valuable input on the Frontiers you guys own (good looking trucks to those of you posting pics). Honestly, and this could be just personal taste, looking more into it, and actually walking a lot or two recently, I like the look of the Frontier more than the other smaller trucks in the running. Of course many will say just go full size- have been on and off driving my family's '05 Dodge Ram 1500 for about 4 years now, that thing is a monster, and really not the best for those wild hair nights where the GF and I or friends and I end up in the city and parking gets to be just a wee bit too tight for a big honker to fit. So yeah, thanks guys... this has been a good discussion so far, and as soon as I'm ready to buy I'll be sure to post pics, of course pre-grille guard and after. [Beer]
Ronin, is it wrong that I just read this entire post and the entire time I heard Ron Swanson's voice saying it? Good luck with the truck purchase!
Ronin, is it wrong that I just read this entire post and the entire time I heard Ron Swanson's voice saying it? Good luck with the truck purchase!
Not at all... "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, "Give me a lot of bacon and eggs." What I said was, "Give me all the bacon and eggs you have". Do you understand?" [LOL]
Goodburbon
06-10-2014, 22:03
I know im late to the party but...
Having had a nissan, and toyota,
And ford my next truck would be.
Wait a year or 2 and get a dodge with the 3.0 diesel.
Or. Used ford ecoboost.
I can see no advantage to buying a compact truck. Same mileage, less room, less comfort, less power, less towing capacity, less aftermarket support (except taco), similar cost..
sent from my fone!
Bailey Guns
06-10-2014, 22:08
It doesn't beg anything so the real question here is why are you so interested in the composition of my fecal matter?
Hey...it's not my job to judge.
Colorado_Outback
06-10-2014, 22:08
This country needs more Ron Swanson.
dirtrulz
06-11-2014, 08:10
I dont have a frontier but we just bought a 14 xterra and it is a nice rig. Lots of power, vvt on the engine, gets close to 20 miles per gallon. Easy to get around in parking lots compared to a fullsize. One of the last few body on frame small rigs. Leather and all the goodies pro 4-x for around 30. Not many problems for the second generation nissans. The engines can also handle a supercharger if you want more power later. Nissan is suposed to be doing a redesign in 15 but havent heard much about what they are changing. We went nissan becasue it has been basically unchanged since 05 and they seem to have it pretty well figured out, unlike a lot of the others who are running totally new vehicles and have teething problems.
Also there are a few companies here in denver area that sell aftermarket bumpers, roof racks, sliders and suspension lifts. Place in boulder does the bumpers and accessories and nisstec in denver does suspension. Nissan has huge aftermarket support, just like toyota.
I also picked up a Xterra last week and I'm really happy with it so far. The cheapest 4runner with cloth seats and nothing else was well over $32k. I got the Xterra with leather and some other niceties for over $2000 less than the 4runner.
OP, I think you'll be quite happy with the Frontier if you end up getting one.
WillysWagon
06-11-2014, 09:29
Had a Nismo 4 Door Frontier a few years back, loved it !
Not too big and did everything i wanted it to do.
Wouldn't mind having another in the future.
I dont have a frontier but we just bought a 14 xterra and it is a nice rig. Lots of power, vvt on the engine, gets close to 20 miles per gallon. Easy to get around in parking lots compared to a fullsize. One of the last few body on frame small rigs. Leather and all the goodies pro 4-x for around 30. Not many problems for the second generation nissans. The engines can also handle a supercharger if you want more power later. Nissan is suposed to be doing a redesign in 15 but havent heard much about what they are changing. We went nissan becasue it has been basically unchanged since 05 and they seem to have it pretty well figured out, unlike a lot of the others who are running totally new vehicles and have teething problems.
Also there are a few companies here in denver area that sell aftermarket bumpers, roof racks, sliders and suspension lifts. Place in boulder does the bumpers and accessories and nisstec in denver does suspension. Nissan has huge aftermarket support, just like toyota.
FWIW the Tacoma has been the same truck since 2005 also. The 3rd gen trucks came out a couple of years ago but it was basically minor cosmetic changes to the hood, grill & headlights plus a couple interior changes. Same truck otherwise. The aftermarket support for the Nissan isn't anywhere near as good as it is for the Toyota. You may have options but the Tacoma has options on top of options within each category and each one is a viable option. Not saying you can't get some good stuff for your truck because you can but you stated it was just like the Toyota and it's not. Just par for the course based on units sold though.
I think Nissan is looking at following GM's lead with a Diesel in the Frontier; might want to look at that, but it is a year or two away. I commute from Conifer into Denver everyday, and 16-20mpg is not fun; hopefully, the Frontier is better then 20mpg. The diesel in my Jeep helps a great deal with fuel economy as well as performance in the mountains.
Although, I have never understood the purpose of a mid size truck. The box is too small to do much of anything; why not just get an SUV so you have the flexibility with cargo and passengers? What does the small box really give you? ...except the need to purchase a utility box or topper...or both. However, I don't understand the purpose of the ½ ton pickup either; why have a box unless you can put 5,000lbs of rock in it, or the flexibility to do any job. I don't agree with the suggestion of getting a ½ ton as a commuter in the mountains; what a waste of gas and money.
I think Nissan is looking at following GM's lead with a Diesel in the Frontier; might want to look at that, but it is a year or two away. I commute from Conifer into Denver everyday, and 16-20mpg is not fun; hopefully, the Frontier is better then 20mpg. The diesel in my Jeep helps a great deal with fuel economy as well as performance in the mountains.
Although, I have never understood the purpose of a mid size truck. The box is too small to do much of anything; why not just get an SUV so you have the flexibility with cargo and passengers? What does the small box really give you? ...except the need to purchase a utility box or topper...or both. However, I don't understand the purpose of the ½ ton pickup either; why have a box unless you can put 5,000lbs of rock in it, or the flexibility to do any job. I don't agree with the suggestion of getting a ½ ton as a commuter in the mountains; what a waste of gas and money.
Good points. I actually don't agree with the idea of a diesel in a mid-size truck but I guess we'll see what the buying public says about that one. I have a feeling they're creating a solution to a problem 1% of the buying populace had.
I've found that my Tacoma's bed is MORE than capable for what I need to do. I opted for the Access Cab because it fits my needs better (easy to get into the back to get to tools & such... no kids and rarely do I haul anyone other than a single passenger around with me) and I wanted the longer bed. The tiny little bed on the double cab mid-size trucks are... tiny. I've found that for 99% of my needs this truck bed does great and I've even had heavier loads of rock & sod in the back and it does just fine. Not like my Tundra mind you but I rarely actually need to do this and a couple of trips for the same load is worth it for all the advantages the truck has for me for 98% of it's use.
Trucks have gotten HUGE and I don't understand how the average driver thinks they NEED that much pick-up. Granted, I know some that do but for the most part it's status. I'm a pretty large dude and the Tacoma has plenty of room for me. It's cozy. If I need a bigger truck I'll rent one but have yet to need a bigger truck since 'downgrading' to a Tacoma. Best vehicle move I've made in many many years.
Good points. I actually don't agree with the idea of a diesel in a mid-size truck but I guess we'll see what the buying public says about that one. I have a feeling they're creating a solution to a problem 1% of the buying populace had.
I've found that my Tacoma's bed is MORE than capable for what I need to do. I opted for the Access Cab because it fits my needs better (easy to get into the back to get to tools & such... no kids and rarely do I haul anyone other than a single passenger around with me) and I wanted the longer bed. The tiny little bed on the double cab mid-size trucks are... tiny. I've found that for 99% of my needs this truck bed does great and I've even had heavier loads of rock & sod in the back and it does just fine. Not like my Tundra mind you but I rarely actually need to do this and a couple of trips for the same load is worth it for all the advantages the truck has for me for 98% of it's use.
Trucks have gotten HUGE and I don't understand how the average driver thinks they NEED that much pick-up. Granted, I know some that do but for the most part it's status. I'm a pretty large dude and the Tacoma has plenty of room for me. It's cozy. If I need a bigger truck I'll rent one but have yet to need a bigger truck since 'downgrading' to a Tacoma. Best vehicle move I've made in many many years.
I love having a diesel in the mountains; huge difference in both fuel economy and performance. I guess I don't see the diesel in the small pickup either, but I don't understand the platform; if you commute up and down the mountain everyday, you would see the difference between gas and diesel very quickly. Mine pulls the mountain up 285 in 5th gear most of the way and only down shifts if my speed drops too close to the shift point. The OP lives in the mountains so he may want to look into diesel SUV/small pickup options since he mentioned the commute and performance issues. I certainly wouldn't see a 6.7 Cummins in a midsize, but a 2 or 3 litter in-line 4 for something that will be used for lot of commuting miles works great for me...my Jeep averages 22,000 miles per year for 8 years now; I hope to get 500,000 out of the engine with one trans rebuild. Now that I have my Jeep back from my X (lost for a few months in the divorce), I replaced my commuter car and the GMC Denali I used for bad weather and family stuff with one vehicle that does pretty much everything and doesn't kill my on fuel costs. Personally, the vehicle I most wanted that has never happened is a diesel in the Wrangler. I think you will see more diesel options as CAFE chokes the life out of SUVs, pickups, and trucks in the future. Personally, I wouldn't make a major investment into a vehicle with a mountain to downtown commute unless it got 30+mpg. This is my world, and the transportation costs are staggering.
I am sure the midsize pickup works for some people, but I still don't get it. The SUV works well for weather and off-road and a small trailer for the odd jobs provides enough size to allow a load of drywall or plywood, which is something that is not possible with a midsize pickup without a trailer. I have a hard enough time accepting a 6ft bed on a full-size...just don't understand having a small box. The 8ft bed is bad enough, which is why I have a flatbed. My jobs would quickly exceed capacity and I would get frustrated with it pretty quickly.
There are definitely some big pickups out there in all the wrong places that are ridicules often owned by people who never use them. Ten years ago I purchased a Dodge V10 club cab with the full float Dana 70; it didn't have a hitch and not a single mark in the bed; WTF! …it was good for me though since it had hardly any use. I am pretty dumbfounded when I see a 6” box on a 1 ton...why? I come from the farm and ranch mentality...I have a Cummins, Dana 80 dually, and a flatbed so my view on trucks is pretty skewed. My truck sits at home most of the time, but when I need to log, pull my trailers, get a load of road base for my property, or pull my sister's goose neck trailers on the ranch, it gets the job done. I sure as hell wouldn't ever drive it as a commuter, but there isn't a job I can't do with it. So, I either drive an SUV and grab a trailer if needed or pull out the beast for large jobs.
2015 will be an all new Frontier.
http://m.leftlanenews.com/nissan-frontier-2015.html
Congrats on the truck! New cars are always fun.
On a side note, my double cab tacoma has done everything I've asked it. Towed a car on a car hauler over Vail pass, loaded an ATV in the bed for camping, hauled a bed full of 16 ft boards for my deck. There's a lot of uses for a mid size truck. I like that I don't rub elbows with a passenger but I dont have to look for the extra huge parking spots.
2015 will be an all new Frontier.
http://m.leftlanenews.com/nissan-frontier-2015.html
Most "New" cars look like ass... seriously, the new Chevy Silverados look ugly as fvck, I do not like where Toyota went on their last redesign, and Ford's new 150 took a while to grow on me, but that new '15 Frontier doesn't look like crap in my eyes, not perfect, but I'll say it doesn't look like complete fugliness.
ChadAmberg
06-12-2014, 09:10
Most "New" cars look like ass... seriously, the new Chevy Silverados look ugly as fvck, I do not like where Toyota went on their last redesign, and Ford's new 150 took a while to grow on me, but that new '15 Frontier doesn't look like crap in my eyes, not perfect, but I'll say it doesn't look like complete fugliness.
I just saw a new "Chrysler Jeep", dunno if it's a new Cherokee or what, but it was horrifically umblefugly. Had one of the ugliest rear ends since the Pontiac Aztec. I'd rather become a proctologist and stare at ass all day than drive that thing. Or even be the car behind it.
C'mon the Italians owning Chrysler should make these vehicles look great not... whatever the hell happened to it.
I do not like where Toyota went on their last redesign
Define 'last' as in year and model. I think if any criticism of Toyota the one that they don't update their vehicles design of features as often as the other manufacturers holds the most weight so I'm interested to see what generation & model you think was such a drastic change that it elicited such a response.
blacklabel
06-12-2014, 11:17
Most "New" cars look like ass... seriously, the new Chevy Silverados look ugly as fvck, I do not like where Toyota went on their last redesign, and Ford's new 150 took a while to grow on me, but that new '15 Frontier doesn't look like crap in my eyes, not perfect, but I'll say it doesn't look like complete fugliness.
It's hideous. I want a truck that looks like a truck. That looks like a Nissan Morano on meth.
It's hideous. I want a truck that looks like a truck. That looks like a Nissan Morano on meth.
I agree, that thing is pretty ugly looking. At first glance I was like... 'ohh, that's different' but the more I watched it the more I disliked it. Too smooth, girly and curvy for my taste for a truck.
newracer
06-12-2014, 11:52
If you get an older Frontier with an auto better read up on SMOD.
dirtrulz
06-12-2014, 12:00
FWIW the Tacoma has been the same truck since 2005 also. The 3rd gen trucks came out a couple of years ago but it was basically minor cosmetic changes to the hood, grill & headlights plus a couple interior changes. Same truck otherwise. The aftermarket support for the Nissan isn't anywhere near as good as it is for the Toyota. You may have options but the Tacoma has options on top of options within each category and each one is a viable option. Not saying you can't get some good stuff for your truck because you can but you stated it was just like the Toyota and it's not. Just par for the course based on units sold though.
I wasnt really trying to compare to toyota, more so to the other car based rigs out there. The wife wanted a new cherokee but I dont want all the electronics and the fact that it is completely new this year and has tranny issues. The only thing toyota has over nissan is for the stupid "for looks" crap. If you are talking serious wheeler you can build a nissan just as good as a toyota. The frontier and xterra have essentially the same frame as the titan. Actually a popular swap is the titan front diff and suspension. Gets you four inches or so of lift and a lot more travel, and it bolts on. Even a few people working on bolting in the titan v8. so far they found it needs a few plugs rewired and it will basically bolt in also.
Toyota haws been living off their reputation for years and you pay handsomely for it. Whether or not is is worth it is up to you.
p.s. I also own a toyota tacoma. Its a 3.4 motor one and I liked it fine. Its actually for sale, if you know anyone who wants a 2000 with 110,000 miles.
I wasnt really trying to compare to toyota, more so to the other car based rigs out there. The wife wanted a new cherokee but I dont want all the electronics and the fact that it is completely new this year and has tranny issues. The only thing toyota has over nissan is for the stupid "for looks" crap. If you are talking serious wheeler you can build a nissan just as good as a toyota. The frontier and xterra have essentially the same frame as the titan. Actually a popular swap is the titan front diff and suspension. Gets you four inches or so of lift and a lot more travel, and it bolts on. Even a few people working on bolting in the titan v8. so far they found it needs a few plugs rewired and it will basically bolt in also.
Toyota haws been living off their reputation for years and you pay handsomely for it. Whether or not is is worth it is up to you.
p.s. I also own a toyota tacoma. Its a 3.4 motor one and I liked it fine. Its actually for sale, if you know anyone who wants a 2000 with 110,000 miles.
No, it's not just for 'stupid looks crap' where the Tacoma surpasses the Frontier in aftermarket support. You say the Nissan has just as much aftermarket support as the Tacoma and then go on to detail how most will source OEM Titan parts for a lift... how do you suppose that came to be? Out of necessity. In the end you still have an OEM suspension it's just an OEM suspension made for a larger truck which also has it's inherent downsides on that truck and adds even more downside when adding it to a truck it wasn't designed for. Just like people earlier were saying spacers are fine for a lift on a Nissan. Spacers are NEVER an ideal solution for a truck lift and are used purely for aesthetics on a budget at the sacrifice of your suspension geometry and reliability. These are all compromises that are made out of requirement when the aftermarket support isn't there. Meanwhile there are dozens of options for lifting a Tacoma (for instance) at various heights and each one was designed FOR the truck and not only lifts it to look better but also is designed FOR the Tacoma to make it handle better both on and off road. You can't deny that the aftermarket support for the Tacoma for just about ANYTHING you could want to do is infinitely better than the Frontier... although it seems that's exactly what you're saying.
Yes, you generally do pay handsomely for the best. The challengers to the throne can be generally be had for larger bargains because that's all you have to sell when you're not the best.... 'we're cheaper!'
I just saw a new "Chrysler Jeep", dunno if it's a new Cherokee or what, but it was horrifically umblefugly. Had one of the ugliest rear ends since the Pontiac Aztec. I'd rather become a proctologist and stare at ass all day than drive that thing. Or even be the car behind it.
C'mon the Italians owning Chrysler should make these vehicles look great not... whatever the hell happened to it.
The rear? I'm more horrified by the alien looking front...
For reference:
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Luckily they didn't make the Grand Cherokee look the same, plus that new '14 SRT8 GC looks tough, and quick!
Define 'last' as in year and model. I think if any criticism of Toyota the one that they don't update their vehicles design of features as often as the other manufacturers holds the most weight so I'm interested to see what generation & model you think was such a drastic change that it elicited such a response.
'10-now? I dunno, I see them all over the road- I don't like the '14 front, that's for sure:
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ETA: Jer is 100% correct... aftermarket for Toyota far surpasses Nissan, just get on carid.com or autoanything.com and search for any exterior things, the Tacoma has custom bumpers, Nissan doesn't; Toyota has way more grille guards than Nissan... but I'm fine with this, I'm probably not going to go too crazy on mine, short of a grille guard and maybe a billet grill, and still undecided if I want step rails.
dirtrulz
06-12-2014, 16:33
No, it's not just for 'stupid looks crap' where the Tacoma surpasses the Frontier in aftermarket support. You say the Nissan has just as much aftermarket support as the Tacoma and then go on to detail how most will source OEM Titan parts for a lift... how do you suppose that came to be? Out of necessity. In the end you still have an OEM suspension it's just an OEM suspension made for a larger truck which also has it's inherent downsides on that truck and adds even more downside when adding it to a truck it wasn't designed for. Just like people earlier were saying spacers are fine for a lift on a Nissan. Spacers are NEVER an ideal solution for a truck lift and are used purely for aesthetics on a budget at the sacrifice of your suspension geometry and reliability. These are all compromises that are made out of requirement when the aftermarket support isn't there. Meanwhile there are dozens of options for lifting a Tacoma (for instance) at various heights and each one was designed FOR the truck and not only lifts it to look better but also is designed FOR the Tacoma to make it handle better both on and off road. You can't deny that the aftermarket support for the Tacoma for just about ANYTHING you could want to do is infinitely better than the Frontier... although it seems that's exactly what you're saying.
Yes, you generally do pay handsomely for the best. The challengers to the throne can be generally be had for larger bargains because that's all you have to sell when you're not the best.... 'we're cheaper!'
I am not sure what you are going for her but pretty much anything made for toyotas are also made for nissans. Same lifts, same wheels, same upgrades. the point I was trying to make with the titan stuff was that nissan uses a pretty tough frame on their small trucks. Unlike toyota who had major problem with their frames rusting in half. I know toyota fans thinks toyota is the king of all kings but that is rediculous. If you expect me to give you every available aftermarket part for nissan get a grip. How about you tell us something specifically that toyota has or does better and see if nissan can keep up. generalized statement about aftermarket support being better means nothing. Untill you own both and research both you have no idea.
There is really no point arguing as you obviously have your mind made up and have blocked out everything else.
hurley842002
06-12-2014, 16:50
I am not sure what you are going for her but pretty much anything made for toyotas are also made for nissans. Same lifts, same wheels, same upgrades. the point I was trying to make with the titan stuff was that nissan uses a pretty tough frame on their small trucks. Unlike toyota who had major problem with their frames rusting in half. I know toyota fans thinks toyota is the king of all kings but that is rediculous. If you expect me to give you every available aftermarket part for nissan get a grip. How about you tell us something specifically that toyota has or does better and see if nissan can keep up. generalized statement about aftermarket support being better means nothing. Untill you own both and research both you have no idea.
There is really no point arguing as you obviously have your mind made up and have blocked out everything else.
I'm sorry but you are just wrong on this, not my opinion, but fact. Toyota has far more aftermarket support for the Tacoma than Nissan has for the Frontier/Xterra.
The rear? I'm more horrified by the alien looking front...
For reference:
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Luckily they didn't make the Grand Cherokee look the same, plus that new '14 SRT8 GC looks tough, and quick!
Agreed. That thing is HORRIBLE looking. I'd take an Aztek before I took that turd.
'10-now? I dunno, I see them all over the road- I don't like the '14 front, that's for sure:
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Okay, Tacoma. FYI, the 2nd gen Tacoma started in 2005 and basically exists today. The picture you posted is of what they call the 3rd gen Tacoma that started in 2012-current and basically is cosmetic changes over the previous generation. For example, this is the front end of the OffRoad Tacoma from the 2nd generation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/2011_Toyota_Tacoma_Double_Cab_--_NHTSA.jpg
As you can see, there's not too much difference really. The Sport package has a scooped hood, color keyed grill surround, door handles, side mirrors and rear bumper but visually they're the same otherwise. I also disliked a lot of this styling so on my Off Road Tacoma I opted to change a few things and think it looks better than the factory design.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dFsN7lUnCMg/U1Qz86p0F4I/AAAAAAAAJ4E/-t6SfsIMJFk/s1152/20140410_145138-1.jpg
The mods I did were pretty basic and not really flashy. Kind of my version of what I think the truck should look like from the factory. I also wasn't entirely sold on the factory look but I knew that it was relatively easy to correct to suit my taste. Curious what about it you think looks bad.
ETA: Jer is 100% correct...
Someone (everyone?) just needs to add this to their sig. [Flower]
Curious what about it you think looks bad.
We used to have a 2000 4Runner, I liked the look of that generation 4Runner/Tacoma. With the new ones, I dunno, I'm not too keen on the front, it looks like a big ugly nose on it. I like the look of the front end of the Frontier. Just my personal taste, I also think the new Chevy looks like crap, but love the new Dodge. My strange taste in vehicles I guess. [Abused]
We used to have a 2000 4Runner, I liked the look of that generation 4Runner/Tacoma. With the new ones, I dunno, I'm not too keen on the front, it looks like a big ugly nose on it. I like the look of the front end of the Frontier. Just my personal taste, I also think the new Chevy looks like crap, but love the new Dodge. My strange taste in vehicles I guess. [Abused]
Yeah, you're weird alright. Good thing they make vehicles for all types.
I'm not a fan of what Toyota is doing with their truck headlights and taillights. They awkwardly protrude like they came from something else and were just bolted on the vehicle.
Bailey Guns
06-12-2014, 19:35
Dammit...all this talk about trucks got me to snoopin' around. I found a new 2014 2500HD Duramax Crew Cab Long Bed for under $44k! Under $44k! That's unheard of. And I like my 2012 6.0L just fine. Damn end-of-year incentives may cost me a bundle. I have no willpower when it comes to trucks.
I'm not a fan of what Toyota is doing with their truck headlights and taillights. They awkwardly protrude like they came from something else and were just bolted on the vehicle.
In most instanced the protrusion is to reduce aerodynamic drag and increase fuel economy at highway speeds. It's easier to accomplish this with a clear lens than it is with a painted fender or piece of plastic w/o it looking odd. Lots of manufacturers do this these days.
In most instanced the protrusion is to reduce aerodynamic drag and increase fuel economy at highway speeds. It's easier to accomplish this with a clear lens than it is with a painted fender or piece of plastic w/o it looking odd. Lots of manufacturers do this these days.
Toyota is doing it uglier than the others is all I'm sayin'.
Toyota is doing it uglier than the others is all I'm sayin'.
How dare you post any opinion that might possibly be slightly negative towards the Tacoma. Even if it's simply your opinion. Inconceivable.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not sure where I said he wasn't. My opinion is the opposite however. Doesn't make either one the 'right' one.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn270/Dr_Fwd/2011-12-10160226.jpg
hurley842002
06-13-2014, 07:36
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn270/Dr_Fwd/2011-12-10160226.jpg
Nice truck!
I like Nissan's and Toyota's damn near equally (I know, shame on me). I was looking real hard at a frontier Pro4x, but at the end of the day, a first Gen Tacoma was going to be the cheaper choice for the options I was after (4 door, looking rear diff), and I've loved those first Gen 4 doors from the day they started rolling them out.
Great-Kazoo
06-13-2014, 08:03
Dammit...all this talk about trucks got me to snoopin' around. I found a new 2014 2500HD Duramax Crew Cab Long Bed for under $44k! Under $44k! That's unheard of. And I like my 2012 6.0L just fine. Damn end-of-year incentives may cost me a bundle. I have no willpower when it comes to trucks.
Slap a pair of breast on them and you start to rethink, Everything.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn270/Dr_Fwd/2011-12-10160226.jpg
Is that up at Squaw Pass? Nice looking truck!
SouthPaw
06-13-2014, 09:41
I love my '08 Chevy 1500. It rides better than a brand new Tacoma and my truck has 80K on it. It is more comfortable for long trips, more elbow room between passengers, and I love the 5.3L GM V8. Get better fuel economy too. Shutting the doors on the new Tacomas feel similar to shutting them on my '95 Civic. The interior lacks quality in the new Tacoma except the new head unit.
Tacomas have not been known for changing their designs much because most of the time they just work. My old Taco with the 3.4L was awesome. They have always seemed to battle head gasket problems with their 3.0L V6 in the early trucks and in their first gen 4.0L. Those 4.0L head gaskets are nasty too, 20+ hours labor.
kidicarus13
06-13-2014, 09:54
I'm not a fan of what Toyota is doing with their truck headlights and taillights. They awkwardly protrude like they came from something else and were just bolted on the vehicle.
What do you mean?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/ene6e8ub.jpg
I love my '08 Chevy 1500. It rides better than a brand new Tacoma and my truck has 80K on it. It is more comfortable for long trips, more elbow room between passengers, and I love the 5.3L GM V8. Get better fuel economy too. Shutting the doors on the new Tacomas feel similar to shutting them on my '95 Civic. The interior lacks quality in the new Tacoma except the new head unit.
Tacomas have not been known for changing their designs much because most of the time they just work. My old Taco with the 3.4L was awesome. They have always seemed to battle head gasket problems with their 3.0L V6 in the early trucks and in their first gen 4.0L. Those 4.0L head gaskets are nasty too, 20+ hours labor.
I guess it depends on what your idea of more comfortable is. I owned a Silverado and it didn't ride as good as my Tacoma or the other Tacomas I've been in. We drove my buddies Tacoma from Washington D.C. to Fort Collins straight through only stopping to eat, use the bathrooms and one 15min nap and it was as comfortable as I would expect to be on such a trip. Personally, I prefer my trucks to feel more like trucks and less like cars. I don't buy my truck for ultra plush road trip comfort nor do I buy it for Pruis-like fuel economy. If I can get decent in both of those categories while getting ultra reliable w/top-of-class off-road capability all while providing the best resale available.... I'm good. I don't expect it to ride like a Caddy nor would I want that. Somewhere around 20mpg works just fine for my needs. I don't have any horse trailers to haul so I'm good with my truck for my needs.
As doe interior... are you trying to so that a 2008 Silverado has superior interior quality because I have a hard time believing that's what you're saying. I'm not saying the Tacoma is wrapped in leather and the finest materials possible but it is put together well and I don't think my Silverado beat it in any way as far as interior goes other than room. It should also be noted that my Silverado was an SS so it was pretty much the flagship model as far as Chevy trucks of that vintage go. Sticker price was MUCH higher than that of my Tacoma new and current used values aren't even close.
I haven't had any troubles with my engine (only 40k miles so I wouldn't expect to either) but a few things are a PITA when working on them for sure. I had to pull my supercharger to do a plug change but that's not something everyone goes through and I knew what I was getting into when I bought it so no big deal. Common things are a breeze though. Oil changes take me about 10min total and I don't need any tools to do it either. The Silverado had it's own PITA things to work on though & this goes for every vehicle I've ever owned so it's tough to fault any one of them as each one has something that's a nightmare.
What do you mean?
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/ene6e8ub.jpg
I agree, that's fugly. The idea though is that it cleans up the wind that the sides mirrors see which can reduce drag quite a bit at highway speeds so I get the function behind it and being as it's a clear lens you have to get just the right angle to even see it. Not everyone's cup of coffee.
I guess these brake lights are designed so you can see if the bulbs are working by checking your side mirrors;
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Great-Kazoo
06-13-2014, 13:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-uGeu1OquU
SouthPaw
06-13-2014, 14:15
I guess it depends on what your idea of more comfortable is. I owned a Silverado and it didn't ride as good as my Tacoma or the other Tacomas I've been in. We drove my buddies Tacoma from Washington D.C. to Fort Collins straight through only stopping to eat, use the bathrooms and one 15min nap and it was as comfortable as I would expect to be on such a trip. Personally, I prefer my trucks to feel more like trucks and less like cars. I don't buy my truck for ultra plush road trip comfort nor do I buy it for Pruis-like fuel economy. If I can get decent in both of those categories while getting ultra reliable w/top-of-class off-road capability all while providing the best resale available.... I'm good. I don't expect it to ride like a Caddy nor would I want that. Somewhere around 20mpg works just fine for my needs. I don't have any horse trailers to haul so I'm good with my truck for my needs.
As doe interior... are you trying to so that a 2008 Silverado has superior interior quality because I have a hard time believing that's what you're saying. I'm not saying the Tacoma is wrapped in leather and the finest materials possible but it is put together well and I don't think my Silverado beat it in any way as far as interior goes other than room. It should also be noted that my Silverado was an SS so it was pretty much the flagship model as far as Chevy trucks of that vintage go. Sticker price was MUCH higher than that of my Tacoma new and current used values aren't even close.
I haven't had any troubles with my engine (only 40k miles so I wouldn't expect to either) but a few things are a PITA when working on them for sure. I had to pull my supercharger to do a plug change but that's not something everyone goes through and I knew what I was getting into when I bought it so no big deal. Common things are a breeze though. Oil changes take me about 10min total and I don't need any tools to do it either. The Silverado had it's own PITA things to work on though & this goes for every vehicle I've ever owned so it's tough to fault any one of them as each one has something that's a nightmare.
Comparing a Silverado to a Tacoma is not apples to apples. I imagine my idea of being comfortable is pretty similar to yours, but I could be wrong. A scooter cross country would be as comfortable as you would expect it to be too. I enjoy having a full size truck and having nice ride quality too; I must be weird. You are right, Tacomas do ride "like a truck" just like my 3/4 Dodge Cummins rode like a 3/4 ton. In your words, if I can get a good compromise I'll be happy. My dad recently purchased a 2014 Tacoma Quad Cab and said the same exact thing you did. The Tacoma rides likes a truck and his old truck (my truck now) rides like a caddy. I don't own any horse trailers either, doesn't mean I shouldn't buy a truck. I didn't buy my Cummins for towing but having a 600hp+ daily driver was a lot of fun.
Superior interior? No. More options? Yes. I love being able to adjust everything from the radio (door chime, unlock/lock horn, brightness, auto door locks, etc). My dash shows, MPG, DTE, trip, engine hours, trans temp, oil life %, and more. It also has dual climate control, auto temperature control, all on a digital read out. I love that even though its only a extended cab, all four windows are power. The rear defroster is really handy in the winter too.
I doubt you would see any problems with 40K on your truck. I doubt you will see any problems in 200K either. Just like I doubt I will see any problems in my truck before 200K. Both my parents are happy owners of new Toyota's. Mom got a 2014 4Runner and Dad got a 2014 Tacoma four door. Both fully loaded TRD off road packages. Toyota's make nice vehicles in my opinion and they do have excellent resale value. My Dad searched for a used one but after seeing how much they cost used, he opted to buy new. With only a $5k-$7k difference between a used and new one, it was a no brainer. Warranty a lot of times pays for itself on a new vehicle. Maybe when dad is ready for another new truck I'll buy his Tacoma from him. Nothing against you or Toyota's, just stating my opinion since we are all entitled to one.
HoneyBadger
06-13-2014, 15:09
Since we're all entitled to opinions, here's mine:
How about we stop the Taco circle-jerk (Talking about you, Jer). The OP said he was looking for a Frontier and wasn't interested in Tacomas. When you insisted, he again said he had no interest in Tacomas. Stop shitting all over his thread and go start your own thread to worship Tacomas.
/Bullshit.
Pic of Jer, no Taco (vehicle) in sight but maybe one elswhere:
https://www.ar-15.co/attachment.php?attachmentid=46007&d=1402693606
I guess these brake lights are designed so you can see if the bulbs are working by checking your side mirrors;
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Good example. I agree that those are fugly and it's why I don't own a new 4Runner. Not sure how a couple of models define an entire line though. Not sure you want to compare an entire line due to one ugly outlier since you drive a GM. [Muaha]
Since we're all entitled to opinions, here's mine:
How about we stop the Taco circle-jerk (Talking about you, Jer). The OP said he was looking for a Frontier and wasn't interested in Tacomas. When you insisted, he again said he had no interest in Tacomas. Stop shitting all over his thread and go start your own thread to worship Tacomas.
/Bullshit.
This thread has been over for a while now. I love how Mtn.man can go COMPLETELY off topic (like he just did again) and you're fine with that but if a bunch of people starting bagging on Tacomas & giving false information I'm going off topic by stating actual facts. Sure, my opinion is in there too but who's isn't in this thread? Even the people who are pro-Frontier or anti-Tacoma are basing most all of their false rhetoric on false information that they're presenting as fact here. I don't give two shits who buys what I'm just trying to make sure false information isn't being presented as fact. Unlike some others here I don't measure my life based on if someone else buys what I tell them to or not... I really couldn't give less of a shit really. I'll be the first one to admit (and have) that what's best for me isn't best for everyone else. How people can see this as a cause for contempt & attack me personally is beyond me. You can go back to the beginning and see that it was me who was attacked to begin with when all I was trying to do was add solicited info to the thread and correct some misinformation. Yeah..... I'm off topic and shitting all over this guy's thread. [Roll1]
Since we're all entitled to opinions, here's mine:
How about we stop the Taco circle-jerk (Talking about you, Jer). The OP said he was looking for a Frontier and wasn't interested in Tacomas. When you insisted, he again said he had no interest in Tacomas. Stop shitting all over his thread and go start your own thread to worship Tacomas.
/Bullshit.
Well said.
I don't always go off topic but when I do I go ALL OUT...
PS I stayed on topic,,, I thought it was all about Jer.
I still don't understand why anyone would want a diesel powerplant in a mid-size truck. With diesel prices and restrictions as they are in the US it doesn't make economical sense. If you need the torque then you likely will invest in a full-size truck with the frame to handle it it is you need a diesel for. They last longer but the buy-in price difference will mostly offset that. I know there are those who are outspoken about it but it appears as though I'm in the vast majority as nobody is tripping over themselves to bring it to market. I mean, if you have a use for it then you're probably pretty excited about the news but I won't be trading my Tacoma in on one anytime soon.
How is it hard to understand the benefits of the diesel? On average a tank of diesel will be about 6-7 bucks more than a tank full of petrol for the frontier, and the Cummins improves mpg's by about 35%. 30mpg, 350 lb-ft tq; I can see the taco bias, man, but c'mon. Most of us already know how tuner friendly diesels can be about more power and fuel economy.
hurley842002
06-13-2014, 17:42
I don't always go off topic but when I do I go ALL OUT...
Lol
I get 18.5 on me new DURAMAX.... can outrun all them 6.7's. Like the 5.9 better.
OK let's see, how bout Lebron?
OK let's see, how bout Lebron?
Lebron James? Never heard of her.
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Great-Kazoo
06-13-2014, 18:15
Lebron James? Never heard of her.
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Where's the great one's daughter when you need her?
https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608041612655199133&pid=15.1
Where's the great one's daughter when you need her?
https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608041612655199133&pid=15.1
Yeah that one,,, And WE ARE STILL ON TOPIC. which one? Who gives a shit.
I was thinking of buying a Lot of AR's...OK Not anymore I bought them.
CCMG
CCMG
CCMG
SA&ALLC
STAG ARMS
Did good.
Yeah that one,,, And WE ARE STILL ON TOPIC. which one? Who gives a shit.
At least we're on a topic... unlike Jim's Friday the 13th free for all madhouse thread... [plant bomb]
Great-Kazoo
06-13-2014, 19:25
I like hiking.
I'm a Taurus
I'm a Taurus
Damn Me Too 05/05
You know it makes us Bad Ass and Gods of course.
You know it makes us Bad Ass and Gods of course.
Pahleeez... I see your silly little bull and raise you Ares, God of War! (04/11)
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I'd rather buy a KelTec than a Taurus.
I'd rather buy a KelTec than a Taurus.
I don't know. That SHO is pretty fast for a family mobile. Then again, the wife drives an STI. It's no slouch.
SouthPaw
06-13-2014, 22:05
I don't know. That SHO is pretty fast for a family mobile. Then again, the wife drives an STI. It's no slouch.
An STI? You should have bought her a Camry instead, they have a better resale value [Flower].
hurley842002
06-13-2014, 22:08
An STI? You should have bought her a Camry instead, they have a better resale value [Flower].
Pretty sure the Tacoma is the king of Toyota resale value, not the Camry....
Great-Kazoo
06-13-2014, 23:32
Pretty sure the Tacoma is the king of Toyota resale value, not the Camry....
And Bud is the King of beers, so what?
Which has greater resale value, the Toyota Tacoma, or the Cadillac Escalade?
Which has greater resale value, the Toyota Tacoma, or the Cadillac Escalade?
Depends, who are you selling to? I'm pretty sure some yuppie 16 year old in the 'burbs with more Jay-Z on his Ipod than Hank Williams isn't interested in a Tacoma. [shithitsfan]
No really. I think that the Escalade is the only Cadillac ever made to even come close to actually having a resale value.
An STI? You should have bought her a Camry instead, they have a better resale value [Flower].
For the reals! Aaand and did SP forget to mention? iPhones suck, and glocks rule...because f*** you! That's why.
so....did op purchased the Frontier yet?
Which has greater resale value, the Toyota Tacoma, or the Cadillac Escalade?
Forgot to add Jeep wrangler 4dr. I think the best resale value...[Coffee]
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac59/Sixgunjr/th_38123b4e4a82a31e73c30628123183d8.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/albums/ac59/Sixgunjr/?action=view¤t=38123b4e4a82a31e73c30628123183d8.jpg)
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