View Full Version : Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl Freed, 5 Years a Taliban Prisoner
Rucker61
05-31-2014, 21:04
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/31/world/meast/afghanistan-bergdahl-aboard-helicopter/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
"Within minutes he was airborne. The helicopter's rotors whooped so loudly that Bergdahl couldn't communicate clearly with the men on board.So he grabbed a paper plate and wrote three characters: "SF?"
The men understood: Special Forces?
The U.S. commandos didn't bother to write back.
"Yes!" shouted at least one over the roar of the flight. "We've been looking for you for a long time!"
Welcome home, Sergeant.
USMC88-93
05-31-2014, 21:10
Glad he is no longer suffering the hellish existence he must have been enduring, but unfortunately response to his release will be mixed due to circumstances related to his capture (and his release as we let terrorist go to secure it). Hopefully he can shine some light on what happened that will not put him in a bad light.
I love that he's been released, but I'm concerned that we released 5 terrorists from Gitmo to secure it.
Rooskibar03
05-31-2014, 21:22
I guess we do negotiate with terrorists.
Don't get me wrong, glad he is free, but a dangerous precedence this does set and puts other soldiers in harms way.
clublights
05-31-2014, 21:33
I love that he's been released, but I'm concerned that we released 5 terrorists from Gitmo to secure it.
I hope the predator drones are tracking them already .
Bailey Guns
05-31-2014, 21:37
I think it was the right thing to do. I'm glad he's free. I can't imagine how hectic the coming days and weeks, maybe years, will be for him. I'm overjoyed for his family. Welcome home.
trlcavscout
05-31-2014, 22:04
Now isn't this the guy that walked off the FOB and got several people killed and injured searching for him? I seen a story from a guy today who was shot in the chest during the search and couldn't get a medivac because the help:s were all in the search. most didn't haven't any good words.
Bailey Guns
05-31-2014, 22:18
I was under the impression they really didn't know what happened to him. Either way, he deserves to be home.
BushMasterBoy
05-31-2014, 22:28
He was on a foot patrol ffs...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/06/u-s-prisoner-bowe-bergdahl-s-failed-attempt-to-escape-from-taliban.html
This.
I guess we do negotiate with terrorists.
Don't get me wrong, glad he is free, but a dangerous precedence this does set and puts other soldiers in harms way.
HoneyBadger
06-01-2014, 07:51
I guess we do negotiate with terrorists.
Don't get me wrong, glad he is free, but a dangerous precedence this does set and puts other soldiers in harms way.
I completely agree.
I hope the predator drones are tracking them already .
oh, don't worry about that. I'm sure they are all being heavily tracked and surveilled. I wouldn't be surprised if we know exactly where they all are and over the next few weeks, we kill them. That will teach them to negotiate with us. Since they are no longer prisoners of war, they are potentially enemy combatants and should be treated as such.
Rooskibar03
06-01-2014, 09:04
Interesting twist. This tweet was deleted from his fathers twitter account.
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm251/cmuthard03/E2015885-BB56-4350-BC38-74E497400A7B_zpsjqy7yuvd.png (http://s298.photobucket.com/user/cmuthard03/media/E2015885-BB56-4350-BC38-74E497400A7B_zpsjqy7yuvd.png.html)
http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/bergdahls-fathers-deleted-tweet-smoking-gun/
Take a look at this tweet from released Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl’s father — which has since disappeared from his account.
Folks, this is either a very bad case of Stockholm Syndrome or something far more nefarious is at stake. Regardless, there is more to this than meets the eye of Obama making a unilateral decision and announcement on a Saturday — when he believes no one is watching.
This is not just going to slip away and we’re not going to get caught up in the emotion of Bergdahl’s release. He wasn’t “captured” — he deserted his assigned post.
balyon885
06-01-2014, 09:18
I hope there is a warm bed for him in a USPenitentiary.
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ChunkyMonkey
06-01-2014, 09:21
I read somewhere that folks in his unit really believed he snuck out of the camp to join the AQ. Gotta find that story.. It's been years
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balyon885
06-01-2014, 09:26
Rolling Stones I believe did a piece that talked about a conversation with a squad leader right before he "disappeared" as well as emails he exchanged with his father about being ashamed to be an American. If he walked away he should be held accountable, not treated like a hero.
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Bailey Guns
06-01-2014, 09:32
Well now I'm really confused about what's really going on. So, if he's truly just a victim, glad he's home. If he somehow cooperated with the enemy, I'm still glad we have him back so he can be prosecuted.
spqrzilla
06-01-2014, 11:30
This administration tell us what actually happened? When this release occurred to get the VA hospital scandal off the front page? Right.
TEAMRICO
06-01-2014, 11:36
This administration tell us what actually happened? When this release occurred to get the VA hospital scandal off the front page? Right.
BINGO.
if you have not figured out this tactic then I don't know what to tell you.
blacklabel
06-01-2014, 11:38
Does no one watch Homeland?
Gotta go with this. I really don't know what to think.
Well now I'm really confused about what's really going on. So, if he's truly just a victim, glad he's home. If he somehow cooperated with the enemy, I'm still glad we have him back so he can be prosecuted.
Great-Kazoo
06-01-2014, 12:00
Well now I'm really confused about what's really going on. So, if he's truly just a victim, glad he's home. If he somehow cooperated with the enemy, I'm still glad we have him back so he can be prosecuted.
This administration tell us what actually happened? When this release occurred to get the VA hospital scandal off the front page? Right.
Does no one watch Homeland?
All the above. Over on the other ar forum the FB / Twitt info his father "allegedly " posted is up, along with more than 1 confirmation of him
ChunkyMonkey
06-01-2014, 12:22
Does no one watch Homeland?
Hang sgt brody!
It doesn't matter if he is back to be celebrated or prosecuted: we send someone over then we have the obligation to bring them back.
Rooskibar03
06-01-2014, 15:45
Does no one watch Homeland?
That was my thought this morning when I saw that post.
Saw an article on Yahoo that he was drinking tea, cooking and playing badminton with his captors. Really not sure what to think at this point.
My understanding is that he walked away from the base with a couple of afgans.
68Charger
06-01-2014, 17:37
It doesn't matter if he is back to be celebrated or prosecuted: we send someone over then we have the obligation to bring them back.
Well, we just sent 5 Gitmo prisoners over there- let's go get them back....
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/punish-bowe-bergdahl-being-awol-desertion-during-operation-enduring-freedom/BVPwpnrN
Saw the following comment on a yahoo news article about this story:
"We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."
OneGuy67
06-01-2014, 22:06
^^^^ Pretty much what is being communicated on the military forums.
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theGinsue
06-01-2014, 22:33
In at least one of the videos where he begged for U.S. help to "free" him, he was wearing an Army PT jacket. You don't wear those while "on patrol". If he was truly "captured" versus intentionally joining the Taliban, it didn't occur while he was performing official duties.
KestrelBike
06-01-2014, 22:42
^^^^ Pretty much what is being communicated on the military forums.
Not good. If O & Co did this swap just to get VA scandal off the radar, without the intention of putting this guy through the UCMJ (assuming all that stuff is true, which I obviously have no way of knowing, but don't doubt), then.. just wow.
ETA: Some links from big media:
http://nypost.com/2014/05/31/the-bizarre-tale-of-americas-last-known-pow/ [bergdahl s***-talking the US/Army and sympathizing with afghans]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mixed-reaction-to-bergdahls-recovery-by-service-members-who-consider-him-a-deserter/2014/06/01/3713e3ce-e9c5-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html [Service members consider bergdahl a POS]
GilpinGuy
06-02-2014, 02:53
ETA: Some links from big media:
http://nypost.com/2014/05/31/the-bizarre-tale-of-americas-last-known-pow/ [bergdahl s***-talking the US/Army and sympathizing with afghans]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mixed-reaction-to-bergdahls-recovery-by-service-members-who-consider-him-a-deserter/2014/06/01/3713e3ce-e9c5-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html [Service members consider bergdahl a POS]
Man, if any if these are true....I don't know what to think. (bold added deliberately) Do we negotiate and give up the big-shot taliban asshats for this guy?
“I am sorry for everything here,” he wrote. “These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid.”
Bergdahl also complained about fellow soldiers. The battalion commander was a “conceited old fool,” he said, and the only “decent” sergeants, planning to leave the platoon “as soon as they can,” told the privates — Bergdahl then among them — “to do the same.”
“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools,” he concluded. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”
One night, after finishing a guard-duty shift Bowe Bergdahl asked his team leader whether there would be a problem if he left camp with his rifle and night-vision goggles — to which the team leader replied “yes.”
Bergdahl then returned to his bunker, picked up a knife, water, his diary and a camera, and left camp, according to Rolling Stone.
The next morning, he was reported missing, and later that day, a drone and four fighter jets began to search for him.
I'm as confused as anyone.
ZERO THEORY
06-02-2014, 08:48
I read somewhere that folks in his unit really believed he snuck out of the camp to join the AQ. Gotta find that story.. It's been years
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From a friend of mine:
The news broke today that PFC Bowe Bergdahl the supposed POW was released to US custody today following an exchange for 5 high value targets from GITMO. Aside from the fact that a precedent has been set now that all US troops down range are worth 5 Taliban effectively putting a big fat target on them for capture, and that the US does in fact negotiate with terrorists, the fact that the true nature of how he came to be in Taliban custody has been completely whitewashed makes me sick to my stomach. I refer to him as PFC (Private First Class) as that is the rank he was when he deserted. When you are officially classified as a POW you get promoted along with your peers, and I refuse to refer to him as a Sergeant because he did not earn these goddamn stripes.
I was deployed to Afghanistan, supporting PFC Bergdahl's unit when this all went down and we got the story first hand from his fellow soldiers. The short version is that PFC Bergdahl deserted his unit and his fellow soldiers, and attempted to defect to the Taliban and pass them all the intel he had. He wrote letters stating he was ashamed to be an American, dressed up as a local national and left his gear and weapon in his hooch. He then snuck off the FOB (Forward Operating Base) during shift change and was snatched when he met up with enemy forces thinking they would welcome him with open arms.
In the immediate operation to find him everything stopped and all resources were put to locating him. Over 12 US troops were killed in action and dozens wounded in the attempt to locate him.
Seeing the flurry of facebook posts and news stories falling all over themselves to fawn at his return forget the facts outlined above.
Take it or leave it, you can believe the media and the government or you can believe those that were on the ground when it happened.
What is interesting is that why now, after 5 years when they could have made this exchange at any time, is this done?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps with the VA scandal reaching a critical mass and Spokeshole Carney and Sh!tseki (Yeah, spelled it that way on purpose) resigning...the President needed a win and desperately needed to change the focus of the news cycle?
Watch. By Monday the deplorable conditions veterans experience at the VA will be a footnote and the entire focus will be on PFC Bergdahl. Nevermind the 23 veterans that commit suicide every 24 hours, nevermind the veterans left to die so administrators can get their bonuses, nevermind the fact that they just attempt to medicate us instead of treating us...lets all just focus on feeling good because a treasonous traitor was brought home.
He needs to stand trial for Treason, Desertion in a time of war, providing material support to the enemy, and a number of other things.
ChunkyMonkey
06-02-2014, 09:08
From a friend of mine:
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Thanks for the post. I have been eating a lot of chatters along this line.
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funkymonkey1111
06-02-2014, 09:53
commentary on his father speaking Arabic at the news conference from Allen West
http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/bombshell-first-words-bergdahls-father-white-house-arabic/
I can't help but agree, the timing on this is very suspicious. And I remember Reagan and both Bush's stating many times that it is the policy of this nation that we do not negotiate with terrorists. So thank you Obama, now you just quantified what our troops are worth to the enemy. They were content with killing our troops, now they will try hand and foot to capture if possible.
If Bergdahl really is a deserter, it wouldn't surprise me if Obama gives him a medal. That's just the kind of administration we're dealing with. Shameful.
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airborneranger
06-02-2014, 12:29
It doesn't matter if he is back to be celebrated or prosecuted: we send someone over then we have the obligation to bring them back.
This is true.
However, he should be held accountable for deserting his post. The stories about him walking away are true. I wasn't in his unit but we were deployed to Afghanistan at the same time. Once this happened, we launched EVERY Soldier in an attempt to lock down the border crossings. We didn't have any KIAs but we did have several Purple Hearts out of the operations.
He left his post with some water, a compass and a knife. When he ran out of the water, he made his way to village where he was turned over to the Taliban. It took him all of 24 hours to go make a video decrying the war effort and saying how American Soldiers are killing children. It was all over the news at the time. I wonder why no one is showing that now?
In this political environment, he will not be charged with any crimes. He will most likely be labeled unfit for duty and discharged with 100% disability. Too bad for those real heroes who died trying to find him.
Scanker19
06-02-2014, 12:44
Bet you $20 that there is an article about how fast the VAgets him in and taken care of. If it comes to that, and when the time comes.
Apparently Obama broke the law to broker this deal... 30 days for congress to confer on the release of prisoners. Then made a trade to get a deserter POS who is "ashamed to be an American." Guess what will happen to this administration? Rhymes with duffing.
ETA: And Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi is still detained in Mexico... Can we trade 20,000,000 illegals to Mexico for his release?
airborneranger
06-02-2014, 14:44
Apparently Obama broke the law to broker this deal... 30 days for congress to confer on the release of prisoners. Then made a trade to get a deserter POS who is "ashamed to be an American." Guess what will happen to this administration? Rhymes with duffing.
ETA: And Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi is still detained in Mexico... Can we trade 20,000,000 illegals to Mexico for his release?
Snuffing?
BushMasterBoy
06-02-2014, 14:46
Well if the VA accepts his "POW" status, he gets preferred VA treatment and a tax free disability check for $2858.24 a month this year. He will probably be eligible for Social Security disability too. Probably end up with $4,000 a month!
http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-postservice-pow.asp
KestrelBike
06-02-2014, 15:33
Well if the VA accepts his "POW" status, he gets preferred VA treatment and a tax free disability check for $2858.24 a month this year. He will probably be eligible for Social Security disability too. Probably end up with $4,000 a month!
http://www.benefits.va.gov/compensation/claims-postservice-pow.asp
Don't forget all his back-pay with scaling for his promotions (meager though the enlisted pay-scale may be)
I would never consider the BBC a conservative media outlet and this is a recent story outlining the apparent desertion of Bergdahl http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27673631
Here is a link to The Rolling Stone story http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607
I would like to see a court martial convened but I'm not certain the Pentagon will allow that to happen.
This administration continues to fascinate us with their EPIC stupidity, reckless policies, and inverted sense of morality and justice.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/taliban-leaders-back-qatar-23954144
5 Taliban Leaders Back in Qatar
The terrorist group considers their release a major victory.
I don't know whether to laugh at this administration or cry for the men and women still in Afghanistan.
RblDiver
06-02-2014, 17:17
There is a "major classified file" on the guy. http://twitchy.com/2014/06/02/this-stinks-james-rosen-reports-us-intel-community-has-major-classified-file-on-bowe-bergdahl/
KestrelBike
06-02-2014, 17:23
This administration continues to fascinate us with their EPIC stupidity, reckless policies, and inverted sense of morality and justice.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/taliban-leaders-back-qatar-23954144
I don't know whether to laugh at this administration or cry for the men and women still in Afghanistan.
obummer administration has one hail-mary left: claim they knew about it all along and are simply bringing him home to face justice. Whether that's worth the release of 5 extremely dangerous terrorists (who the F negotiated that one?) is arguable.
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2014, 19:16
This administration continues to fascinate us with their EPIC stupidity, reckless policies, and inverted sense of morality and justice.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/taliban-leaders-back-qatar-23954144
I don't know whether to laugh at this administration or cry for the men and women still in Afghanistan.
Jack Bauer has more credibility than this admin.
Unfortunately, the D/L's / progressives could care less. Outside of being caught with someone from the westboro church in a same sex relationship, he's safe.
BPTactical
06-02-2014, 21:17
Interesting take on it by(allegedly) one who was involved in searching for him.
http://www.oafnation.com/guests-pieces/2014/6/2/oaf-exclusive-the-truth-about-bowe-bagdahl
If this proves true (which more and more information is supporting) then we have a deserter and traitor.
And another traitor.
Someone sent me this the other day. Might as well post it up here.
http://teespring.com/BoweBergdahlIsATraitor
68Charger
06-02-2014, 21:34
<Tinfoil hat warning>
Is it just me, or could this be a narcissistic response to the VA scandal?
"I'll show them (veterans), by trading a deserter they can't stand for 5 Gitmo terrorists".
A sane, rational person with ethics would never do such a thing... But does that describe the current POTUS?
It's far fetched, I know... But this came to me today while reading details about Bergdahl...
BPTactical
06-02-2014, 21:37
<Tinfoil hat warning>
Is it just me, or could this be a narcissistic response to the VA scandal?
"I'll show them (veterans), by trading a deserter they can't stand for 5 Gitmo terrorists".
A sane, rational person with ethics would never do such a thing... But does that describe the current POTUS?
It's far fetched, I know... But this came to me today while reading details about Bergdahl...
I don't think your tinfoil is too far off of base possibly.
Deny and deflect, the modus operandi of our CIC and crew.
KestrelBike
06-02-2014, 21:40
<Tinfoil hat warning>
Is it just me, or could this be a narcissistic response to the VA scandal?
"I'll show them (veterans), by trading a deserter they can't stand for 5 Gitmo terrorists".
A sane, rational person with ethics would never do such a thing... But does that describe the current POTUS?
It's far fetched, I know... But this came to me today while reading details about Bergdahl...
The disdain I don't doubt, but you're giving wayyyy too much credit to barry to actually know we have active POWs.
KestrelBike
06-02-2014, 21:42
Jack Bauer has more credibility than this admin.
Ah wouldn't that be great if a subsequent episode of 24 had Jack track down and kill the deserter? Then give a one-liner "Well... there's one less vote for H"
BPTactical
06-02-2014, 21:43
The disdain I don't doubt, but you're giving wayyyy too much credit to barry to actually know we have active POWs.
But not enough credit that we have Mooselimb collaborators in our active armed forces.
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2014, 22:50
The disdain I don't doubt, but you're giving wayyyy too much credit to barry to actually know we have active POWs.
Hey, he read it in a newspaper.
Hey, he read it in a newspaper.
Yep, because he seems to never attend any intelligence update briefings (which, despite his flaws, W stayed on top of).
BPTactical
06-03-2014, 06:14
trea·son (trē′zən)
n.
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
More than one involved in this transaction meets the above criteria.
I knew I liked Rob Lowe...
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68Charger
06-03-2014, 09:26
So, how's that VA scandal being handled again? [mop]
BPTactical
06-03-2014, 10:02
So, how's that VA scandal being handled again? [mop]
Wut VA scandal?
Ann Barnhardt sums it up nicely, again:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/06/03/why-im-considering-quitting/
hollohas
06-03-2014, 15:40
A deal like this doesn't happen quickly. They say they didn't have enough time to consult congress. I say that's 100% horse shit. This deal must have taken months or years to negotiate. Everything this admin tells us is bullshit. They break laws to release terrorists to free a traitor which will endanger American lives. And the admin won't suffer ANY consequences. They get off Scott free every damn time.
BPTactical
06-03-2014, 15:42
Ann Barnhardt sums it up nicely, again:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/06/03/why-im-considering-quitting/
Even if you can't read, excellent read.
thvigil11
06-03-2014, 15:45
I have been convinced for some time that the Republic is dead. Not dying, injured or even recently dead. I believe that it is long dead and past the point of resurrection. It hurts me to think this, but that is where we are.
ZERO THEORY
06-03-2014, 16:01
Ann Barnhardt sums it up nicely, again:
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/06/03/why-im-considering-quitting/
I made it through the 1st two paragraphs, but had to fold after that. Baseless claims and conjecture are just as bad coming from the "other side".
A deal like this doesn't happen quickly. They say they didn't have enough time to consult congress. I say that's 100% horse shit. This deal must have taken months or years to negotiate. Everything this admin tells us is bullshit. They break laws to release terrorists to free a traitor which will endanger American lives. And the admin won't suffer ANY consequences. They get off Scott free every damn time.
It was in the news that the group holding him was interested in negotiating a trade.
Great-Kazoo
06-03-2014, 16:28
It was in the news that the group holding him was interested in negotiating a trade.
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608047956305641776&pid=15.1
http://moonbattery.com/graphics/Andrew-Tahmooressi.jpg
So my only question, to all these people who say that signing petitions, writing your elected officials, calling congress, etc. isn't doing anything, what would you propose be done? It's a bit hard to just walk up to the gates of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue strut right in and place Barry and his gang of lawbreakers in cuffs and march them out the front door to stand trial without someone trying to stop you. Unfortunately, that's the only thing that will help a little to put us back on the right path. And unfortunately, it just isn't feasible.
ZERO THEORY
06-03-2014, 17:28
what would you propose be done?
Something that men in power have taken care to ensure can no longer be done. The Patriot Act and NDAA have made it so that the act of even discussing civil disobedience or exercising your 2nd amendment rights for their intended purpose is a crime that they can take you on without due process. So uh, here's to hoping Holder and the gang don't pick me up. I'm pretty sure the 1st amendment is supposed to prevent that from happening to, but...you know.
10mm-man
06-03-2014, 19:08
Not sure this has been posted, but I think it is so true:
This is not a POW exchange like past wars. Terrorists are not and have never been considered prisoners of war, not even under the Geneva Convention. Article Five. They’re illegal enemy combatants or if you prefer unlawful enemy combatants.
You’ve got Carney saying this. You’ve got Hagel saying this. This is the party line. I’m waiting on them to pull out some video from some guy in California.
We don’t exchange soldiers for terrorists! And these five terrorists are to be held until the end of hostilities. Hostilities haven’t ended.
These terrorists are going to go back to the battlefield and they’re going to take up arms and they’re going to kill more Americans and innocent Afghans.
Under no circumstances are they to be released to kill more Americans. Period. Let alone in an exchange for a putative deserter.
And then they say the US military doesn’t leave anyone anywhere, that we don’t do that. Well, of course it’s been done. But more to the point, if he’s a deserter, it’s not us leaving him. It’s him leaving us.
And no soldier’s life should be sacrificed looking for a deserter. No terrorist should be released to do more damage, maiming and murdering.
http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-the-bergdahl-exchange-was-not-a-pow-exchange/
IMHO just because an enemy turns himself into an Unlawful enemy combatant that does not give us free reign to not follow the rules of war. We are at war with terrorists.
"Under no circumstances are they to be released to kill more Americans. Period."
If I was still in the military I would gratefully pay the price for ensuring these 5 terrorists do not go free and face trial for war crimes. Heck if I am captured as a contractor or even just a US citizen I would do the same.
Obama should be impeached. He signed the bill into law requiring the 30 day notification for prisoner release a year ago. If he didn't like it he could have refused to sign it or vetoed it. Instead he signed it and later decided it didn't apply to him.
The emperor has no clothes.
GilpinGuy
06-03-2014, 21:45
I expect a lot more outrageous things to come out of this administration in the next 2.5 years. He has nothing to lose.
Great-Kazoo
06-03-2014, 21:46
Looks like a lot of D's are not happy campers, either.
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-apologizes-lawmakers-over-secret-pow-swap-225752330.html
Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein, a senior member of President Barack Obama's Democratic Party, said the White House breached US law when it failed to alert Congress to the proposed trade.
"It comes with some surprise and dismay that the transfers went ahead with no consultation, totally not following the law," she told reporters.
"We're very dismayed about it."
Feinstein reflected mounting bipartisan concern as lawmakers questioned the merits of releasing from Guantanamo five hardened Taliban fighters and officials in exchange for Bergdahl.
"I am concerned about what precedents we set here for exchanges, because I don't want the message to be, you can go ahead and capture Americans and use them to barter for others," Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman Robert Menendez told reporters.
And lawmakers Tuesday seized on administration rationale that the swap was rushed because Bergdahl's health had deteriorated sharply and his life was in immediate danger.
"I have heard no evidence that that is the case," said Senate Intelligence Committee member Susan Collins.
Robert "Bob" Menendez (born January 1, 1954) is the senior United States Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senator) from New Jersey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey). He is a member of the Democratic party. OOPS.
I expect a lot more outrageous things to come out of this administration in the next 2.5 years. He has nothing to lose.
Totally agree. I fully expect that to happen after mid-terms. He's biding his time hoping the Dems at least hold the Senate. No matter what happens after the midterms he's going into full bore imperial president mode. The sickening thing to me is all the bitching and complaining the Repubs do, and nothing ever comes of it. Fast and Furious / NSA outings / using the IRS to target enemies should have forced him out or crippled him, but everyone shrugs and goes on. He knows he can get away with pretty much whatever he wants, these last 2.5 years will be legislated by fiat.
BPTactical
06-04-2014, 09:20
trea·son (trē′zən)
n.
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
More than one involved in this transaction meets the above criteria.
As I said earlier in this thread.
FBHO and Co...
Totally agree. I fully expect that to happen after mid-terms. He's biding his time hoping the Dems at least hold the Senate. No matter what happens after the midterms he's going into full bore imperial president mode. The sickening thing to me is all the bitching and complaining the Repubs do, and nothing ever comes of it. Fast and Furious / NSA outings / using the IRS to target enemies should have forced him out or crippled him, but everyone shrugs and goes on. He knows he can get away with pretty much whatever he wants, these last 2.5 years will be legislated by fiat.
Yep. Hate to say it, but there is still a large group in this country that actually think he's a good president, even after this latest turn of events. He could go on TV right now and proclaim that he hates America and wishes we would just be communists already and you would have the zombified supporters say "oh he's so charismatic, he's such a great leader." Remember, never underestimate stupid people in large groups, especially those who vote.
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sellersm
06-04-2014, 11:21
What's with the Dad's speaking non-English? http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/video-bombshell-first-words-of-bergdahls-father-at-white-house-were-arabic-that-sanctified-the-wh-and-claimed-it-for-islam-no-question-obama-knew-this
What's with the Dad's speaking non-English?
Duh, he's a Mooselimb... Just like his traitor son.
BPTactical
06-04-2014, 12:01
What's with the Dad's speaking non-English? http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/video-bombshell-first-words-of-bergdahls-father-at-white-house-were-arabic-that-sanctified-the-wh-and-claimed-it-for-islam-no-question-obama-knew-this
This is one thing to me that is very telling, everybody is complicit.
Did you see the video when they first announced this deal, Barry, Bergdahls mom and dad at the WH? Barry and his mom come sauntering down the stairs arm and arm like Barry is banging the bitch and Daddy meekly to the rear.
Then when daddy starts speaking in the tongue Barry gets a big huge proud papa smile.
WTF?
Our prez willingly returned illegal combatants/terrorists to their theater of operations in a time of conflict.
[Puke]
Colorado_Outback
06-04-2014, 12:13
WTF?
Our prez willingly returned illegal combatants/terrorists to their theater of operations in a time of conflict.
[Puke]
The sickest part is the majority of the American people could care less and he'll get away with it.
What a shit show.
kidicarus13
06-04-2014, 12:24
The sickest part is the majority of the American people could care less and he'll get away with it.
When is Kim Kardashian and Kayne West having their second baby?
When is Kim Kardashian and Kayne West having their second baby?
I think mid August!
thvigil11
06-04-2014, 12:45
I think mid August!
No way, late august at best. Quit spreading lies you troll. [handbags] You're a hack who clearly doesn't operate in operations operationally. I can't believe you would try and spread such misinformation here. Any day any time if you want to try and out gossip me.
I figure every other thread gets out of control recently. Why not this one.
Oh please! Kim has been soooo stressed with Kayne on tour. That baby is dropping early.
thvigil11
06-04-2014, 12:51
Sorry for the double post
thvigil11
06-04-2014, 12:52
Oh please! Kim has been soooo stressed with Kayne on tour. That baby is dropping early.
You kidding me! Kanye will make that baby come out when Kanye says so. And that my friend is late in the month.
Sorry guys. Had to respond. Back to the traitor.
On a somewhat related topic: http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-western-couple-held-afghanistan-171124057--politics.html
Wonder how many we'll give up for these two delights.
thvigil11
06-04-2014, 13:34
On a somewhat related topic: http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-western-couple-held-afghanistan-171124057--politics.html
Wonder how many we'll give up for these two delights.
Saw this earlier. Lets go hiking in a warzone. Genius.
To answer your question. It depends on what they need to distract you from next.
hollohas
06-04-2014, 14:06
This is one thing to me that is very telling, everybody is complicit.
Did you see the video when they first announced this deal, Barry, Bergdahls mom and dad at the WH? Barry and his mom come sauntering down the stairs arm and arm like Barry is banging the bitch and Daddy meekly to the rear.
Then when daddy starts speaking in the tongue Barry gets a big huge proud papa smile.
WTF?
Our prez willingly returned illegal combatants/terrorists to their theater of operations in a time of conflict.
[Puke]
That made me sick and scared at the same time.
Parents of real POW's don't stand up and praise the people that hold their sons. And if they did real American presidents wouldn't smile.
Can you imagine the parents of a released WWII POW standing next to FDR or Truman and giving a Nazi salute? Nope, me neither, because those POW's were real heros and actual prisoners.
This guy is a traitor and deserter. And his parents praise his supposed captors in another language while the POTUS smiles from ear to ear. This is scary folks.
This traitor, his parents and the POTUS are sympathizers.
On a somewhat related topic: http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-western-couple-held-afghanistan-171124057--politics.html
Wonder how many we'll give up for these two delights.
Can we trade Kim Kardashian and Kanye West for them, straight across? I'll even kick in a goat and a bottle of Viagra to sweeten the deal...
RblDiver
06-04-2014, 14:37
To answer your question. It depends on what they need to distract you from next.
This up next for "distract-them-from-this" treatment? http://twitchy.com/2014/06/04/its-that-bad-huh-cbo-sorry-we-cant-measure-fiscal-fallout-of-obamacare/
Aloha_Shooter
06-04-2014, 14:39
Can we trade Kim Kardashian and Kanye West for them, straight across? I'll even kick in a goat and a bottle of Viagra to sweeten the deal...
Hell, I'd be willing to trade them the entire population of Los Angeles for those two hikers. :D
I'm waiting to see what the rest of the "deal" contains.
There's no way we would give up 5 generals for 1 musloid deserter. There's more to it. Bergdahl is just the public excuse.
Or is dick-head and his "administration" pushing our buttons on purpose? Perhaps to get a national emergency declared before losing power? Just seems like a lot of strange is happening all at once.
/tinfoil
This guy was a deserter.
Get him back to the US and prosecute him under Article 85 of the UCMJ.
Marcus Luttrell had some interesting insight into the whole ordeal:
The lone survivor of Operation Redwing in Afghanistan, Luttrell told Glenn Beck Wednesday that the Taliban did all they could not only to kill him, but to “cut [his] head off.”
“They were doing everything they could to get to me to kill me,” he said.
“That’s the part that kind of got me off-guard, was the fact that they held him,” Luttrell continued, expressing surprise that Bergdahl was kept alive this long. “They don’t normally do that.”
Luttrell said he fought to the death each day, and when he left, there weren’t “any sweet goodbyes. … It was an all-out gunfight.”
Asked about the VA scandal, Luttrell said he never speaks poorly of the president, but “it was a good job on the politicians, shucking off the VA scandal by doing the whole Bergdahl thing.”
“That provides plenty of top cover, even if it did backfire,” he added. “And releasing those [Taliban leaders] is a bad move.”
Luttrell said America is “playing with the dangerous end of the knife” with what we’ve done, saying those who believe the Taliban has been “eradicated” need to remember that organizations like the Taliban are built from the “top down, not from the bottom up.”
“So you put the brain trust in there and they recruit, build. The brains of the organization, that’s the dangerous part of it,” Luttrell said. “I can’t stress this enough – there’s going to be some bloodshed here in the future. You don’t get that passive, peaceful soul sitting in Gitmo.”
More here (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/04/what-caught-lone-survivor-marcus-luttrell-off-guard-in-bergdahl-prisoner-exchange/#)
I would say if anyone knows WTF is up on this, it would probably be Luttrell... His opinion holds quite a bit in my book. Plus there are so many guys who either were in the same unit as Bergdahl, or were part of the numerous operations conducted in the region to try and find him. I also think it's pretty telling when is squad leader (IIRC that's what he was) described before his disappearance the Taliban in the region weren't very accurate with their IEDs, then he goes missing and a matter of weeks later somehow those same IED emplacers/triggermen are extremely accurate and detonating directly under the vehicles instead of in front or to the sides. Then again, what would I know, I only did intelligence and counter-IED work over there... [Coffee]
This guy was a deserter.
Get him back to the US and prosecute him under Article 85 of the UCMJ.
Then stand him out back in front of a wall in front of a firing squad. After his lawful convistion of course.
Then stand him out back in front of a wall in front of a firing squad. After his lawful convistion of course.
Where do I volunteer for that? [MG]
(c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.”
We are/were "at war with terrorism". The Afghanistan campaign really wasn't a war either... darn.
Great-Kazoo
06-04-2014, 16:58
Well, they've cancelled the home town parade.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bowe-bergdahls-hometown-cancels-welcome-home-bowe-rally-n122841
hollohas
06-05-2014, 08:20
Something just isn't right with this so-called prisoner swap. There is something much larger going on behind the scenes, there has to be. Even if you ignore the fact he is a traitor and the gitmo prisoners we swapped weren't actually POW's, treating this as an actual POW situation, it doesn't make sense. In no prisoner swap in history did it make sense to swap an Army Private in exchange for 5 Commanders. I am starting to think this entire swap is a distraction for something else going on. Some have said they think it might have been a distraction from the VA thing. I don't believe that. The administration has weathered much bigger storms than the VA scandal. That's no skin off their back. I have a gut feeling some other backroom deal is going in here. Something even more outrageous. Something so outrageous that the administration was willing to take the heat for this so-called "swap" in order to hide something else.
In other words, this entire "swap" seems like a sacrificial scandal to distract us...but it's so big it's hard to imagine what they are truly up to. We're distracted by the "negotiating with terrorists to free a traitor" part. Bring out the foil, but my gut says there is more going on here.
The junkyard dogs are snacking on a t-bone thrown to them by a thief who's busy stealing parts.
StagLefty
06-05-2014, 08:27
^ Even if this is true-will anything be done is the question ?
BPTactical
06-05-2014, 08:59
^ Even if this is true-will anything be done is the question ?
[hahhah-no]
Aloha_Shooter
06-05-2014, 09:32
Sometimes I wish the govvies were as Macchiavellian as posters here want to make them out to be. In a Hollywood treatment, those 5 badasses would have tracking units implanted so we could locate a nice big crop of badguys and smoke the whole kit and kaboodle. In the real world, there are a lot of good people dedicated to protecting the US, a lot of dumbarses who just want a safe cushy government job and a small number of power hungry freaks. The latter two categories make the first one look bad and the press appears bent on distorting everything they can in order to tear down any organization or institution bent on protecting the US or its heritage.
sellersm
06-05-2014, 09:50
Another point of view with questions to be answered. http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-story-havent-yet-heard-bowe-bergdahls-desertion/
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http://moonbattery.com/graphics/shoutout-to-allah.jpg
I finally just watched the Taliban video of the exchange; prompted by a story published by The Blaze (I'll post link below) and there are several red flags I agree with. The most alarming part of the video is two fold: 1) armed insurgents/Taliban fighters surrounding the LZ, one of whom has a freaking RPG; 2) the fact that the Taliban (still sworn enemies to everything American) have the high ground in a near perfect ambush position. Another issue, and perhaps largely unnoticed by most who see the video, how cordial and friendly Bergdahl appears with his "captors" considering how well fed and healthy he looks. This screams something much worse than just a simple exchange. Never mind that they don't frisk Bergdahl until he is a couple feet from the door of the UH-60 (a $21.3 million dollar aircraft with at least 7 US personnel onboard). I have a lot of questions as to how/why this went down... Namely why would special operations personnel break SOP on this operation so badly? What exactly were the terms of this deal that allowed an SF contingent to put themselves in such a vulnerable position? I may not have been a high-speed operator, or even an infantryman, but even MY Spidey senses tingled several times watching the video. Watch the video and see for yourself, then read the story... Kinda scary how it appears some rag tag organization like the fucking Taliban have brought the mightiest military force in human history to it's knees, all thanks to our current President.
http://youtu.be/eQKd7pYFx5Y
Fast fwd to about 8min to see the exchange.
Story: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/05/special-forces-members-noticed-something-in-the-bergdahl-release-video-that-you-probably-missed/
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OneGuy67
06-05-2014, 18:13
The way the friendlies acted and reacted to the bad guys makes me think they were not SF, but possibly from the three letter alphabet agencies. They lacked all sense of situational awareness and waved at the insurgents, turned their backs to them and had a general disregard for their own safety.
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sellersm
06-05-2014, 18:28
Or perhaps they knew they were safe?
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kidicarus13
06-05-2014, 18:29
The way the friendlies acted and reacted to the bad guys makes me think they were not SF, but possibly from the three letter alphabet agencies. They lacked all sense of situational awareness and waved at the insurgents, turned their backs to them and had a general disregard for their own safety.
Maybe State Dept. personnel? The 2 guys on the outside (as they approach the hostage) both have something clinched in their outside hands. I wonder what?
Speaking of situational awareness... watch our guy from the far right (our right as we watch the video) after the exchange takes place. He's more concerned about waving than anything else and looks like he looses his bearing as he concentrates on waving. Seriously doubt he is SF.
The good guy in the middle does a quick back pat-down of the hostage as the exchange takes place. A more thorough pat-down takes place at the Blackhawk.
RblDiver
06-06-2014, 12:10
One of the five has publicly declared that he will go back to war against the US. Who could have seen THAT coming?
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/06/surprise-nbc-news-reports-that-freed-taliban-leader-vows-to-fight-americans-again/
BPTactical
06-06-2014, 12:21
Gee, ya think the other 4 will just sit on the sidelines and watch the big game?
I am sure they made it known while they were in Gitmo that they did not let such intentions be known.
I am also pretty sure TPTB in Gitmo knew this.
I think it would also be reasonable to say that they passed that information on.
How long until BHO claims he knew nothing of the such?
It would almost seem he is purposely pushing buttons.
How long until BHO claims he knew nothing of the such?
Ties in nicely with the latest from Bill Whittle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQIG3jE2NQw
SuperiorDG
06-06-2014, 13:38
I was wondering about this coming up.
Bergdahl could collect 5 years of back pay, benefitsThe Army owes Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl a lot of money.It’s not just the standard paycheck for about $1,400 that he’s due on the 15th of this month.
Technically, the Army owes Bergdahl a lump sum check for back pay covering his five years in captivity.
That would probably be nearly $200,000 because, according to Army regulations, a soldier freed from captivity is entitled to not only his accrued basic pay but also housing allowance, food allowance, hostile fire pay and even some per diem payments.
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140606/BENEFITS02/306060072/Bergdahl-could-collect-5-years-back-pay-benefits
HBARleatherneck
06-06-2014, 13:49
The VA has a special payment structure for anyone who was a POW for more than 30 days.
Im sure he will be 100% VA rated.
Which if he is single would be around $2500 a month for life. (more if he gets married and has kids)
hollohas
06-06-2014, 14:23
The way the friendlies acted and reacted to the bad guys makes me think they were not SF, but possibly from the three letter alphabet agencies. They lacked all sense of situational awareness and waved at the insurgents, turned their backs to them and had a general disregard for their own safety.
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This was my thought as well. If they were SF they would have treated that differently even if they were told it was safe.
http://news.yahoo.com/taliban-says-bergdahl-deal-means-170500137.html
Like we didn't see this coming.
jhood001
06-07-2014, 01:32
I'm sick and tired of the 'the taliban is emboldened to capture more troops' bullshit this story is spinning. It has no play, people. Let it rest.
This fucker was an immeasurable fraction of a percent of our armed forces. He GAVE himself up. He didn't stop fighting. He wasn't fighting in the first place.
The vast majority will be more than willing to fight to the death should it come to that.
The remainder will surrender when faced with overwhelming odds.
No different than it has ever been.
Our enemies can be more inclined to capture now. Great. So be it. They will compromise themselves in the fight and our men in uniform will kill more of them in the process.
Stop parroting a bullshit talking point.
Aloha_Shooter
06-08-2014, 02:23
I'm sick and tired of the 'the taliban is emboldened to capture more troops' bullshit this story is spinning. It has no play, people. Let it rest.
...
Stop parroting a bullshit talking point.
... and just where do you get the idea it has no play? It's not that they're emboldened, they've been emboldened by our C-in-C's spineless "negotiation" -- what's really bad is that they've been incentivized to grab more Americans. I suppose the good thing is that they have an incentive to hold onto captives rather than just kill and behead them as they wanted to do to Luttrell but your statements about a "bullshit talking point" smell themselves of bovine excrement.
This whole thing smells to high heaven.
It gets better: Bergdahl's father is allegedly a perv, started learning Arabic and Pashtun more than 2 years before his release...
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/14/sicko-twin-sisters-say-bowe-bergdahls-dad-was-obsessive-peeping-tom-stalker/
Aloha_Shooter
06-19-2014, 06:09
Eh, he may have started learning them in order to plead for his son's release. I would rather judge Bergdahl based on the evidence collected at the time of his "capture" and leave his father's perversions to the civil courts. More importantly, I'd rather judge Obama's misjudgement in carrying out this stupid trade on the danger it creates to Americans worldwide rather whether or not Bergdahl is s stinking traitor who should swing at the end of a noose.
mtnrider
06-19-2014, 08:38
I'm sick and tired of the 'the taliban is emboldened to capture more troops' bullshit this story is spinning. It has no play, people. Let it rest.
I completely disagree. It has shown that we WILL negotiate with terrorists and it is lucrative to snatch Americans. Maybe not necessarily "soldiers" but Americans in general. As a contractor that often frequents these parts of the world it has my close attention that's for sure.
Sorry if this is a repost, but Michelle Malkin has been talking about this for awhile:
http://michellemalkin.com/2014/06/03/exclusive-the-story-you-havent-yet-heard-about-bowe-bergdahls-desertion/
She has several other articles on her site about this...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsL_lRxIIAAlhRU.jpg
http://mamimomikuto.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/gaydar.jpg
I'm gonna go with, 8.5
Interesting article:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dawn-perlmutter/bowe-bergdahl-dances-with-wolves/#.U5e-jj4QYQk.twitter
mtnrider
07-10-2014, 11:05
Afghan dude is in love. He's got to be thinking to himself, this is 100 times better then a goat.
Firehaus
07-10-2014, 11:07
Afgan dude is in love. He's got to be thinking to himself, this is 100 time better then a goat.
Just spit out my lunch...
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funkymonkey1111
07-10-2014, 11:18
Frontline did a documentary about the "dancing boys" in Afghanistan....
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/view/
his finger is curled up because there's a little poo on it.
Colorado_Outback
07-14-2014, 17:51
Bergdahl Gets Army Desk Job
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http://images.military.com/media/shared/icons/byline_military_icon.png Jul 14, 2014 | by Richard Sisk
Army (http://www.military.com/Community/Home/0,14700,ARMY,00.html) Sgt. Bergdahl has been given a desk job at a Texas military base while he awaits the outcome of an investigation that could lead to disciplinary charges, Pentagon officials said Monday.
Six weeks after his release from Taliban captivity, Bergdahl, 28, was back on active duty and was being given "administrative type duties."
"Essentially, he'll be doing a desk job," said Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman.
Bergdahl nominally has been on active duty since his release on June 2, and "he remains on active duty" in his new job at Joint Base San Antonio-Fort Sam Houston (http://www.military.com/base-guide/joint-base-san-antonio) in Texas, Warren said.
He is living at the non-commissioned officers' barracks and "is not restricted in any way" in his movements on the base, Warren said.
"He will now return to regular duty within the command where he can contribute to the mission," Tatjana Christian, a spokeswoman for the `Army, said in an e-mail. "The Army investigation into the facts and circumstances surrounding the disappearance and capture of Bergdahl is still ongoing."
Throughout his captivity, Bergdahl was on the rolls of the 25th Infantry Division at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson (http://www.military.com/base-guide/joint-base-elmendorf-richardson) in Alaska but he is now assigned to U.S. Army North, Warren said.
Former members of Bergdahl's unit in Afghanistan have come forward since his release to charge that he voluntarily left his post.
The Army has named Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl to conduct an Article 15-6 investigation into the circumstances of Bergdahl leaving his post in Afghanistan's southeastern Paktika province on June 30, 2009.
Dahl, deputy commanding general of the Army's I Corps, was expected to complete his investigation in mid-August and make recommendations that could include disciplinary action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
The matter of Bergdahl's back pay, which could amount to more than $300,000, and other issues surrounding his five years as a captive will not be resolved at least until Dahl's investigation is complete, Warren said.
Much of the criticism of Bergdahl's release has centered on the prisoner exchange for five high-value Taliban detainees at the Guantanamo Naval Base.
Last week, letters from the five service chiefs were released showing that they backed the prisoner exchange while noting that they were not involved in the high-level negotiations that resulted in the release of the five Taliban prisoners to the Gulf state of Qatar.
This really is the stuff of Hollywood.
Rooskibar03
07-14-2014, 18:38
Im sure he will fit right in..
"16 gunshot wounds to the back Sir"
Clearly a suicide son, look here is his note. Case closed, nothing to see here.
ZERO THEORY
07-14-2014, 18:57
I really hope this turncoat gets schwacked.
Great-Kazoo
07-14-2014, 18:59
This really is the stuff of Hollywood.
Especially if he tries buying a FN 5.7
Anyone else see the red flags, of this whole back to society gig?
ZERO THEORY
07-14-2014, 19:11
Especially if he tries buying a FN 5.7
Anyone else see the red flags, of this whole back to society gig?
Yes. He'll snap and they'll say, "See? These vets are all crazy and shouldn't be trusted. Here, allow us to keep you safe."
Cue more MRAPs and police executions.
Yes. He'll snap and they'll say, "See? These vets are all crazy and shouldn't be trusted. Here, allow us to keep you safe."
Cue more MRAPs and police executions.
This.
Is another agenda definitely... gotta keep all those evil guns away from the highly trained mentally unstable vets who think that they are continuing to protect the 'rights' that they think they and the subject I mean citizenry have.
47081
BushMasterBoy
07-14-2014, 19:38
I thought his enlistment is up? Did they the brainwash him to re-enlist?
If he's on duty, better be scrubbing toilets or cq runner. Let that Bitch drive a buffer.
Sent from my subconscious mind.
Isn't San Antonio where they are processing some of the illegal immigrants?
Singlestack
07-15-2014, 06:18
I smell...a whitewash.
Didn't see anyone else link this, so obligatory Onion article nails it:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-recaptured-by-taliban-after-wand,36462/
Great-Kazoo
07-15-2014, 08:37
Didn't see anyone else link this, so obligatory Onion article nails it:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/sgt-bowe-bergdahl-recaptured-by-taliban-after-wand,36462/
As satirical as that story is. I have no doubt there are more than 5 members in this country.
Aloha_Shooter
07-15-2014, 09:02
Not that I'm vindictive or anything but I hope every man lost or injured looking for him visits his dreams every night until the day he dies. The Administration is certainly going to try to whitewash him just to get him out of the news -- expect minor charges of AWOL and then a medical discharge right after the elections. Even that pisses me off to no end when guys are getting notices of their upcoming discharges while in the field but all I can do is hope he's tormented by guilt.
I thought his enlistment is up? Did they the brainwash him to re-enlist?
They can keep him in pending any disciplinary actions, investigations, etc.
colorider
07-15-2014, 09:36
Only the gubmint would give a guy a job after that large of a fuck up. Amazing.
BPTactical
07-15-2014, 09:39
Only the gubmint would give a guy a job after that large of a fuck up. Amazing.
No, only gubmint would reward a traitor and deserter with a job and back payy.
colorider
07-15-2014, 10:16
No, only gubmint would reward a traitor and deserter with a job and back payy.
Like giving a dog a treat after he craps on the floor.
Zundfolge
07-15-2014, 10:37
I smell...a whitewash.
I smell a setup for another Ft Hood.
blacklabel
07-15-2014, 11:49
When does he start his campaign for the Senate?
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Colorado_Outback
07-15-2014, 19:12
When does he start his campaign for the Senate?
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That comes if he doesn't get elected as Billery's Vice..
Colorado_Outback
07-15-2014, 19:15
Kinda reminds me of Smeagol..
http://images.military.com/media/people/bergdahl-rubs-head-428-ts300.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-M2jDBxPDZx8/ULoicQyNWmI/AAAAAAAAAt0/jp9jayLRuio/s1600/Gollum-smeagol-gollum-32113835-200-200.png
ZERO THEORY
07-15-2014, 19:23
When does he start his campaign for the Senate?
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/NicholasBrody.jpg/220px-NicholasBrody.jpg
jhood001
07-15-2014, 20:04
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/NicholasBrody.jpg/220px-NicholasBrody.jpg
Great show!
centrarchidae
07-15-2014, 20:54
Call me crazy, but I suspect that his "job" is mostly to sit down, be quiet, and don't think two hard about the two "assistants" he has who were both CID until a week or two ago.
HoneyBadger
07-20-2014, 07:47
Like giving a dog a treat after he craps in your bed.
FIFY
http://news.yahoo.com/u-armys-bergdahl-face-desertion-charges-nbc-153701502.html
About damn time!
http://news.yahoo.com/u-armys-bergdahl-face-desertion-charges-nbc-153701502.html
About damn time!
Figures that it isn't all over the news.
Figures that it isn't all over the news.
Yeah, this got 2 paragraphs but the "snowpocolapse" has about 20 articles on yahoo alone.
Glad to know everyone's priorities are in order.
speedysst
01-27-2015, 11:11
Its not all over the news because the main stream media does everything it can to protect the president. EVERYTHING. The investigation ended months ago but someone, oh I cant imagine who, is stonewalling the release of the results. The reason no results are released is because the hope is that the public forgets about the whole thing just like Benghazi and Fast and Furious.
Can you blame them? It works like a charm.
That is some good news - hope they hang him with a new rope.
Both NBC and FOX are reporting on the web that he'll be charged within the week, just an fyi.
BushMasterBoy
01-27-2015, 13:44
Army Times says NO!
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/crime/2015/01/27/bergdahl-army-update-false-reports/22396367/ (http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/crime/2015/01/27/bergdahl-army-update-false-reports/22396367/)
HoneyBadger
01-27-2015, 14:22
Do they need volunteers for the firing squad? I'm sure the line would be miles long...
Army Times says NO!
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/crime/2015/01/27/bergdahl-army-update-false-reports/22396367/ (http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/crime/2015/01/27/bergdahl-army-update-false-reports/22396367/)
Just saw that, hope they decide to prosecute his ass.
Dammit. Got my hopes up and everything.
I hope they make an example of him.
And now for the trial...
Sgt. Bergdahl has been charged with Misbehavior Before the Enemy.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/899
Not often used, but this charge seems to fit the crime. The Article 32 hearing is scheduled for September 17, 2015, at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, TX.
HoneyBadger
09-07-2015, 14:30
And now for the trial...
Sgt. Bergdahl has been charged with Misbehavior Before the Enemy.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/899
Not often used, but this charge seems to fit the crime. The Article 32 hearing is scheduled for September 17, 2015, at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, TX.
I'd like to see him get charged with about 2000 volts at 5 amps... [Flower]
First the trial....then the punishment.
Bailey Guns
09-07-2015, 15:20
Damn...potential death sentence.
HoneyBadger
09-07-2015, 16:04
First the trial....then the punishment.
Agreed, but I don't see why the trial should take more than a week. Anything more than that is a waste of our tax dollars.
BushMasterBoy
09-07-2015, 16:04
Over 20,000 American soldiers were tried and sentenced for desertion during World War Two. 49 were sentenced to death, though 48 of these death sentences were subsequently commuted. Only one US soldier, Private Eddie Slovik (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Slovik), was executed for desertion in World War II.
Bailey Guns
10-10-2015, 14:57
Well, this is surprising (to me, anyway) news:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/10/military-officer-recommends-bowe-bergdahl-shouldnt-face-jail-time-punitive/?intcmp=hpbt3
Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl shouldn’t face jail time or a punitive discharge from the military, according to a recommendation from an Army officer revealed late Friday in a filing from Sgt. Bergdahl’s defense team.
The full recommendation from Lt. Col. Mark Visger hasn’t yet been made public by the Army in the case of Sgt. Bergdahl, who faces desertion and other misconduct charges after he allegedly left his unit in Afghanistan in 2009 and was captured by insurgents.
An Army spokesman declined to comment on the specifics of Sgt. Bergdahl’s legal case.
Col. Visger presided over an Article 32 hearing, the military equivalent of a preliminary hearing, in Sgt. Bergdahl’s case last month. During that hearing, the lead military investigator in the case said he didn’t believe Sgt. Bergdahl should be jailed.
Col. Visger’s recommendation as the presiding officer of the Article 32 proceeding represents a setback for the Army’s case against Sgt. Bergdahl.
airborneranger
10-10-2015, 15:00
It is only a recommendation, the CG can choose to take the case to a Courts Martial.
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BushMasterBoy
10-10-2015, 15:02
The Army needs to concentrate on finding terrorists in the ranks, like Nidal Hasan. Want to read some outrageous shit? read this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan
kidicarus13
10-10-2015, 15:21
Trump says he should have been shot, I'm with The Donald
Bailey Guns
10-10-2015, 15:23
Yeah...
wctriumph
10-10-2015, 22:12
If the military upper echelon goes full political and forgets their duty to the constitution and the republic and puts politics first, we are lost. In my book that makes them traitors. Let us hope and pray that honor and duty still mean something to men and women that lead our valiant armed forces.
Bailey Guns
10-11-2015, 06:38
I wonder if any of the Army brass involved in this is feeling pressure from...let's say a "higher political authority". I honestly wouldn't put that past Obama in order to mitigate the fallout after he swapped 5 bad guys for this douche. "Go easy on Bergdahl. It would be a shame for your career to come to an abrupt end."
BPTactical
10-11-2015, 07:47
I wonder if any of the Army brass involved in this is feeling pressure from...let's say a "higher political authority". I honestly wouldn't put that past Obama in order to mitigate the fallout after he swapped 5 bad guys for this douche. "Go easy on Bergdahl. It would be a shame for your career to come to an abrupt end."
"Wonder?"
I would say it is a certainty.
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