Could you be a Target? The answer is YES

[RRD3]

I think this is important enough to post even for those who may have already seen it. Could posting on this site or any other "Pro Gun" site make you a target?

Friday, May 15, 2009 Rumor was enough to get you burned as a witch in Salem, Massachusetts. It was enough to get you shot in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. It's enough to get your head chopped off in parts of Iraq infested with madmen claiming to carry out Allah's will.
And if U.S. Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) has his way, it may be enough to prohibit you from acquiring a firearm or federal firearm license, especially if the Attorney General is as opposed to gun ownership as Janet Reno was during the Clinton Administration, and as Eric Holder is today.
Fresh on the heels of a disturbing paper from the Department of Homeland Security, characterizing gun owners as rightwing extremists, on April 29 King introduced H.R. 2159, which he calls the "Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009."
King, the ranking Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, describes himself as "a strong supporter of the war against international terrorism, both at home and abroad," so without reading the bill one might assume that H.R. 2159 is a legitimate effort to clamp down on genuine terrorists. However, King and his bill's co-sponsors—Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), Mike Castle (R-Del.), Jim Moran (D-Va.), Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), Mark Kirk (D-Ill.), and Chris Smith (R-N.J.)1—are extreme gun control supporters, and his bill is intended only to give the Executive Branch arbitrary, unaccountable power to stop loyal Americans from acquiring firearms. Here's how:
H.R. 2159 would give "the Attorney General the authority to deny the sale, delivery, or transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit to dangerous terrorists. . . . if the Attorney General determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism."


H.R. 2159 does not, however, impose any requirements or limits on the information the Attorney General could use to make a determination, and it proposes that "any information which the Attorney General relied on for this determination may be withheld from the applicant if the Attorney General determines that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security."
In stark contrast to the scheme proposed in H.R. 2159, federal law establishes guidelines for the nine categories of persons currently prohibited from possessing firearms, and it protects the right of a person to be told why he is prohibited. The latter is important because a person who is not prohibited can be mistaken for someone who is, due to incomplete or incorrect records in the FBI's database of prohibited persons, or due to being mistaken for a prohibited person on the basis of a similar name or other personal information.
The trash bin of history is full of politically-motivated, authoritarian abuses of peoples' rights. As King and his bill's co-sponsors have shown, however, the concept behind the evil yet remains.

Link to article.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4879

[Pancho Villa]

I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident.

Even the guns I'm about to buy.

It is good to point these things out and keep a wary eye on them; however, it should be noted that almost all proposed laws die in committee (and rightfully so.) Until such a time as it is scheduled for a floor hearing, I tend to make note of it and check every few weeks to see if its made it out of committee. Until then I do not feel that it is worth worrying about.

[RRD3]

I tend to disagree. Any anti-gun legislation, thought, bill or anything that mentions related to anti-gun with this current administration is something to worry about.

See bellow.


Who's sponsoring H.R. 45

H.R. 45 -- President Obama's National Gun Registry and Citizen Disarmament Act -- was written by Illinois Congressman Bobby Rush (http://www.house.gov/rush/) (D). It currently has no cosponsors. But will it pass Congress?
Congressman Rush's bill an outrageous destruction of Constitutional Rights, but it's the compromises that are truly dangerous

Though far-left gun-haters routinely sponsor pie-in-the-sky legislation (anyone remember the days of Sen. Moynihan's annual 1000% tax on ammo?), H.R. 45 has set new lows for the depths to which hoplophobes will sink.

Is H.R. 45 dangerous? Yes. But is it likely to pass? No.... it's too far-reaching.

What is likely to pass, though, is a compromise, a deal cut with the gun-grabbers and the group that ostensibly represents gun owners, the NRA.

Think that can't happen? Rewind to the summer of 2007, when arch gun-hater Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy (http://carolynmccarthy.house.gov/) sat down with NRA board member Congressman John Dingell (http://www.house.gov/rush/) to craft a deal to expand Brady Checks into new realms of mental health records. A few months later, H.R. 2640 (http://www.nationalgunrights.org/hr2640.shtml) passed...with the approval of the NRA and McCarthy.

Congressman Rush's gun control ideas are much, much more dangerous as amendments to legislation that is already advancing.

Remember the Brady Bill? It didn't pass as a stand-alone bill. It passed as an amendment.

Even more frightening was that it passed with the approval of the NRA (click here for that full story (http://www.rmgo.org/brady.shtml))

The same is true of the Lautenberg Domestic Abuse ban, the Assault Weapons ban, 1986 McClure-Volkmer (which bans the manufacture of transferable machine guns), the 1968 Gun Control Act, and numerous other examples (especially if you look at state legislation).
Yes, we're watching H.R. 45. But beware the slight of hand -- it's often more dangerous.



Here's the link to that statement.
http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2009-HR45.shtml

[Pancho Villa]

Thanks for the dose of reason, foxtrot.

The legislation is still troubling not because a super-efficient government will find me out from the intertubes but because its another tool for, say, a pissed off local law enforcement*, political figure or even a neighbor you don't get along with to make life a lot harder for you.

*I'm not saying all LEOs are corrupt or would do something like that, but even one bad apple with that kind of arbitrary power is a nightmare waiting to happen.

[Mtn.man]

yup only on CSI can they track an ip to your doorstep......LOL

[sniper7]

I am wearing my tinfoil suit right now. I tell you I hear the choppers...they are everywhere[Tooth]

[GunTroll]

You can't hear the choppers! They run on silent mode!

[vim]

yup only on CSI can they track an ip to your doorstep......LOL

I'm not much for tin foil, but if you're sitting at home using the Internet through your ISP and posting "interesting stuff" on a U.S.-based site, "the authorities" absolutely can track an IP assignment to your door, dynamic or static. It just takes time, coordination, and court orders.

[ssf467]

You are a target read their own documents. DHS looks at gun owners and veterans as threats. People the hour is late. The Republic is on her knees. Stand up to this tyranny or bow to Globalist slave masters.
Listen to the Treasury Sec and you'll know what the agenda is, it's not theory, they'll telling you what they are doing. Private owner ship of firearms is holding them up.

[Zcsdkr]

You are a target read their own documents. DHS looks at gun owners and veterans as threats. People the hour is late. The Republic is on her knees. Stand up to this tyranny or bow to Globalist slave masters.
Listen to the Treasury Sec and you'll know what the agenda is, it's not theory, they'll telling you what they are doing. Private owner ship of firearms is holding them up.
Amen

[RRD3]

I'm amazed that people think the government knows who everybody is online, who is who on a forums, and especially if you post on a "firearm" forum. They might, if you placard your social security number on your profile. Otherwise, your not exactly identifiable by 3rd parties (which includes the gov't). And no, they don't have magic black ops stuff that flies helicopters and teleports servers up to the bridge of their orbiting super secret starship where they access the servers hidden data including your address and stuff (things you never registered or entered) and then put it in a master database where they know who everybody is!

Or they might contract data miners to spyder the web, but those are easy to block web scripts, and all they see is your username so hrmmmm.....

And no, the government doesn't get to dig through the database. Ask me how I know [Bang]




I'm amazed at the number of people who would take a post out of context.
What I asked was.... " Could posting on this site or any other "Pro Gun" site make you a target?" Just a hypothetical question.
Believe me when I say Eric Holder thinks anyone with more than a 6 shooter is a extremist, for fucks sake.... Home Land Security practically called all returning Veterans terrorist, white supremest and potentially the next Timothy McVey. Obama's cabinet is filled with anti-gun fucks.

My point in posting this is showing the extent at what this Administration will creep up on our 2nd amendment rights.

About the only person easily identifiable on our corner of the internet is Roger and myself. We have our names tied to this site (and others). That is part of the reason why I'll get more than a little grumpy if you start talking about how you want to take out various political figures.

[Tristan]

You are a target read their own documents. DHS looks at gun owners and veterans as threats. People the hour is late. The Republic is on her knees. Stand up to this tyranny or bow to Globalist slave masters.
Listen to the Treasury Sec and you'll know what the agenda is, it's not theory, they'll telling you what they are doing. Private owner ship of firearms is holding them up.
The Republic you speak of has been gone for about 40 years.
It wasn't Bush that enacted all the crazy laws. It was good ol' JFK. Look it up.
Bush just hammered out the details.
Damn, you're so dramatic.

[RRD3]

To the point. ..... I am AGAINST any new legislation in where our rights, ANY of them are put under pen to benefit our Government gaining more control of the citizens of this Country.

Plain and simple.

[GunTroll]

WE are screwed! Hell, No one id DC is worth a fart! I feel its just going to take a FED assault on one compound or one of your houses or mine to start the fire. I'm hoping a large compound so maybe the news will cover it and the lies can't be filtered or too watered down without the facts coming out. I hope the rest of the US who is pro rights (all of them) gets the message. A rights Martyr if you will.

[Daniel_187]

am so tired of writing angry letters to my congrass man. What else can I do? I want a little more hands on approch

[ChunkyMonkey]

tsk tsk tsk.. this is why DHS issued the 'right wing extremist' warning [ROFL1]

Direct approach? Attend the tea party, July 4th gathering... and FLY the gadsden flag proudly... btw in 80121.. they want few hundred bucks just for a flag pole license!!!! argh!

http://traditionalpatriot.info/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/500px-gadsden_flag.gif

[RRD3]

tsk tsk tsk.. this is why DHS issued the 'right wing extremist' warning [ROFL1]

Direct approach? Attend the tea party, July 4th gathering... and FLY the gadsden flag proudly... btw in 80121.. they want few hundred bucks just for a flag pole license!!!! argh!

http://traditionalpatriot.info/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/500px-gadsden_flag.gif



What a bunch of bull shit.

Get a license then fly a flag that says "fuck your license"

[Mtn.man]

Hey they know everyone on the skin head sites and neo sites why ain't they bustin them???
If they were so good at tracking why can't they catch all the Pedifiles??? get a grip tech-no-logy is good but it ain't that good...

I got family in the US marshals office,,,,, they don't have the knowledge.

[RRD3]

Hey they know everyone on the skin head sites and neo sites why ain't they bustin them???
If they were so good at tracking why can't they catch all the Pedifiles??? get a grip tech-no-logy is good but it ain't that good...

I got family in the US marshals office,,,,, they don't have the knowledge.



Ah-man.... just lost all my weapons in a boating accident. Freak of nature Tsunami up at Shadow mountain lake. [ROFL1]

[scratchy]

Ah-man.... just lost all my weapons in a boating accident. Freak of nature Tsunami up at Shadow mountain lake. [ROFL1]


Dibs on the ammo [ROFL3]

[theGinsue]

I still can't recall the name of the lake that I was at when that happened to me recently. It was horrible.

[sniper7]

Dibs on the ammo [ROFL3]


shit, from what he told me, you won't be able to carry it all, so I get at least half...my truck will hold a lot of weight[Beer]

[ryanek9freak]

I'm not scared of shit. All these rumors floating around, I say if you want my guns or you want to target me, then put up or STFU!

It's not going to happen, believe me, the govt. is still plenty afraid of the people, especially now with the insane run on guns and ammo. We might not win, but it would be one hell of a fight.

But in the highly unlikely scenario of door to door confiscation, It's on like Donkey Kong. I'll stage guerilla warfare that will make the VC look like children.

[RRD3]

shit, from what he told me, you won't be able to carry it all, so I get at least half...my truck will hold a lot of weight[Beer]


Hey Justin, What do you think sunk the boat? [LOL]

[scratchy]

anyone up for a scuba and BBQ Saturday ?

[scuba]

[68Charger]

Scratchy beat me to it...

so many people on this board have lost things in boating accidents, I was going to invest in Scuba gear & an underwater metal detector..

[ROFL2]

[RRD3]

And you thought Colorado rivers and steams were just full of those worthless gold nuggets [Coffee]