Democrats think Tancredo will be the easiest to defeat..

[def90]

http://kdvr.com/2014/06/05/democrats-enter-colo-gop-gubernatorial-primary-aim-to-tip-race-to-tancredo/

A newly-formed group called “Protect Colorado Values” is about to hit the airwaves with two different ads focused on the two Republican front-runners, Tom Tancredo and Bob Beauprez.
Both appear to be attack ads, but a single viewing of the two spots makes it clear what the group, a partnership between the independent expenditure committee of the Democratic Governors Association and other Colorado-based progressive donor organizations, is trying to do.
Simply put, the one-two punch is a thinly-veiled effort to help Tom Tancredo win the GOP gubernatorial nomination.
The 30-second spot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgdHrL7x-Jg) focused on Beauprez, titled “Both Ways”, hits the former congressman for voting for “earmarks and spending bills while the national debt ballooned” and for supporting “the individual mandate that’s the cornerstone of Obamacare”, two lines of attack that are likely to turn off conservative primary voters.
The 30-second spot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Ad23MIYwk) focused on Tancredo labels him “one of the country’s strongest opponents of Obamacare”, notes he called the Affordable Care Act “a scam” and concludes with this: “Tom Tancredo: He’s just too conservative for Colorado.”
That’s likely to be catnip for conservatives.
“It’s a good period of time while there’s some attention on this race to try and reinforce some negatives,” a Democratic operative close to the group told FOX31 Denver.
Make no mistake: the Beauprez ad is designed to hurt the GOP establishment’s choice with more conservative primary voters while the Tancredo spot, ostensibly an attack ad, is likely to solidify his support with conservatives who widely disdain Obamacare.
While observers generally believe Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper is a heavy favorite to win a second term no matter which candidate emerges from the June 24 GOP primary, Democrats believe Tancredo would be the easiest to defeat and that his candidacy, allowing them to pick through years of controversial statements and votes, could impact the rest of the GOP ticket, possibly dragging down U.S. Senate hopeful Cory Gardner, the Republican congressman challenging Democratic Sen. Mark Udall in a race that could determine control of the Senate.

[Hound]

They are right. Too much baggage.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

How about.........they both suck & neither will beat dickinpooper.

[KAPA]

Kopp is my guy. Forget about the other proven losers.

[brutal]

And we are already divided.

They have won.

Why don't you all just vote for the L candidate while you're at it.

Yea, that'll teach them.

[68Charger]

And we are already divided.

They have won.

Why don't you all just vote for the L candidate while you're at it.

Yea, that'll teach them.

Yep, the GOP has once again given us a choice of the evil of two lessers...
This is one of the reasons Colorado has so many voters registered independent... (Changed my affiliation about 2 debacles ago)

[merl]

And we are already divided.

They have won.

Why don't you all just vote for the L candidate while you're at it.

Yea, that'll teach them.

It is the primary where the party is divided by definition.

[Bailey Guns]

Yep, the GOP has once again given us a choice of the evil of two lessers...
This is one of the reasons Colorado has so many voters registered independent... (Changed my affiliation about 2 debacles ago)

Nonsense. The GOP hasn't "given" anything to anyone. There are 4 candidates for governor on the GOP primary ballot. And no one in Colorado is registered as "independent" because there's no such thing. You may be registered as "unaffiliated" but you're not "independent". Therefore, you don't get to help choose the GOP candidate for governor. But I guess that makes blaming the chosen candidate on some sort of GOP conspiracy an easy thing to do.

[Zundfolge]

Back to the OP, what I find Ironic is that Tanc seems to think he's got the upper hand with independents and right leaning Democrats (assuming there are any of those left).


Honestly I'm not too worried about Tancredo ... he's going to lose in the primary and then go away (no I don't see him pulling a third party stunt this time around ... and while I don't generally approve of third party stunts, it made sense why he did last time because its clear that the CO GOP was already smoking dope when they gave use Maes).

[68Charger]

Nonsense. The GOP hasn't "given" anything to anyone. There are 4 candidates for governor on the GOP primary ballot. And no one in Colorado is registered as "independent" because there's no such thing. You may be registered as "unaffiliated" but you're not "independent". Therefore, you don't get to help choose the GOP candidate for governor. But I guess that makes blaming the chosen candidate on some sort of GOP conspiracy an easy thing to do.

ok, I'm "unaffiliated", excuse me for getting my semantics mixed up...

How about "The GOP failed to recruit and promote a candidate that can clearly beat the Incumbent"
The Primary isn't until June 24th- Unaffiliated voters can switch affiliation up until election day- if there was anyone worthwhile to vote for... Maybe I should just switch to Democrat so I can vote for the biggest idiot in their primary. (ETA: nevermind, Hick is unpposed- so they're free to spend their primary money on this crap) At this point, it appears moot- we will probably have another 4 years of Hick

My point was that Nobody has succeeded in getting on the primary ballot that I think can beat Hick, unless something big changes.

I don't believe there's any "GOP conspiracy", I just don't think they are as well organized as the Democrats- especially in this state. They're stuck in the 80's as far as strategy.

[Monky]

I just received my ballot in the mail and for the life of me there isn't one asshole I want to vote for.

Lesser of the evils... Hard call.


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[68Charger]

Back to the OP, what I find Ironic is that Tanc seems to think he's got the upper hand with independents and right leaning Democrats (assuming there are any of those left).


Honestly I'm not too worried about Tancredo ... he's going to lose in the primary and then go away (no I don't see him pulling a third party stunt this time around ... and while I don't generally approve of third party stunts, it made sense why he did last time because its clear that the CO GOP was already smoking dope when they gave use Maes).
Exactly- that's when I went unaffiliated, because the GOP really [sheepshagger]on vetting Maes, and as a result handed it to Hick.
I did not want to be affiliated with an organization that did that bad of a job, and told them so when they called for donations.

Call me "disenfranchised"

[Zundfolge]

I just received my ballot in the mail and for the life of me there isn't one asshole I want to vote for.

Lesser of the evils... Hard call.

So who exactly would be good enough for you to vote for? What does this mythical "perfect GOP candidate" look like? I'm not trying to stir shit here, I really wanna know what exactly all you GOP naysayers are looking for in a candidate.

[brutal]

While we're at it, what does anyone know about Stevan Strain who is opposing Weaver in the DougCo County Commissioner D1 primary?

I'm loathe to cast a vote for that POS Weaver.

[Bailey Guns]

It's not up to the GOP who runs for governor under the republican label. They can recruit and promote a candidate all they want. That doesn't stop others from running as republicans. They may not get party support but that doesn't matter if they get the support of the people.

I see a few of you saying there's no one on the GOP primary ballot worth voting for. Personally, I've been a Kopp supporter since he announced. Can anyone tell me why he's not worth supporting?

ETA: I didn't see the following from Zundfolge before posing my question but he nailed it. What exactly do you want in a candidate?


So who exactly would be good enough for you to vote for? What does this mythical "perfect GOP candidate" look like? I'm not trying to stir shit here, I really wanna know what exactly all you GOP naysayers are looking for in a candidate.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Received my mail in ballot yesterday, since Brophy didn't make the cut, voted for Kopp today. Seems the best of the 4 available choices. Tancredo too much baggage and failed tries, Beauprez not strong on guns, and 1 failed try, down to two, Kopp seems the most to the right. Now if he will just be quiet about abortion, maybe the Repubs stand a chance.

[battle_sight_zero]

I just received my ballot in the mail and for the life of me there isn't one asshole I want to vote for.

Lesser of the evils... Hard call.


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

Geez many of you are giving up. Hickenlooper and the democrats are a bigger evil than any of the Republican candidates. With this attitude in a gun forum of all places I guess I wont have any hope of buying 16 round or more standard magazines or trading with any of you you firearms without a ffl and the government tracking it. Makes me discouraged many of you are doing what the demonrats want you to do and that is give up. Hickenlooper is beatable, nothing on his watch has improved dont fall for the traps.

[68Charger]

It's not up to the GOP who runs for governor under the republican label. They can recruit and promote a candidate all they want. That doesn't stop others from running as republicans. They may not get party support but that doesn't matter if they get the support of the people.

I see a few of you saying there's no one on the GOP primary ballot worth voting for. Personally, I've been a Kopp supporter since he announced. Can anyone tell me why he's not worth supporting?

ETA: I didn't see the following from Zundfolge before posing my question but he nailed it. What exactly do you want in a candidate?

So who exactly would be good enough for you to vote for? What does this mythical "perfect GOP candidate" look like? I'm not trying to stir shit here, I really wanna know what exactly all you GOP naysayers are looking for in a candidate.

This is EXACTLY my point.. I don't have $M to spend on advertising, nor do I have tax exempt status to do so...
I'm not looking for a perfect candidate- that's where you're wrong about me.

Show me a #%#(@$&$ candidate that can beat Hick, and I'll get behind him! Kopp isn't polling against Hick- again, unless something changes- and right now the Dems are doing a fine job of promoting Tancredo (remember where this thread started?), so Kopp currently doesn't stand a chance in the Primary. WTF is the GOP doing as far as strategy? it's just absent... like a total vacuum.

for reference: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2014/governor/colorado_governor_race.htmlColorado Governor - Kopp vs. Hickenlooper

Poll Date Sample Hickenlooper (D) Kopp (R) Spread
Quinnipiac 4/15 - 4/21 1298 RV 47 38 Hickenlooper +9
PPP (D) 3/13 - 3/16 568 RV 49 32 Hickenlooper +17
Quinnipiac 1/29 - 2/2 1139 RV 47 38 Hickenlooper +9
PPP (D) 12/3 - 12/4 928 RV 45 37 Hickenlooper +8
Quinnipiac 11/15 - 11/18 1206 RV 44 40 Hickenlooper +4

Looks pretty sad, what's the plan to turn that around?
Gotta make it look good enough for people to vote for him in the primary!

I'm a realist... you were just asking about what perfect candidate would fit our requirements?
I'm here to tell you- one that can BEAT Hick, and won't be the SAME has him when elected... it's that %#@)( simple.

ETA- I honestly formatted that with spaces to make it readable... but the site deleted my spaces... follow the link, and you'll see Kopp is trailing BADLY.

[Bailey Guns]

Kopp is the most conservative and best candidate available. I've already admitted I'm doubtful, at this point, he can beat Hickenlooper either. But I don't think that's the fault of the GOP or Kopp. There's no doubt Hickenlooper is a strong candidate but he's not invinceable. But it's not like the GOP can force someone who might be able to beat Hickenlooper to enter the race.

And there are others who constantly rail against the GOP putting forth the "most electable" candidate.

If you, and I, and all our friends get behind someone like Kopp and convince a few people each to vote for Kopp, and they convince a few people, he can beat Hickenlooper. But it isn't gonna happen by just predicting defeat and playing the "disenfranchised" victim. It's gonna take a lot of work.

Personally, I think it's too early to look at polls. I think you'll see Kopp becoming more and more popular. He won the top spot at the GOP assembly with little to no name recognition. He's been working hard on that in the months since.

[Zundfolge]

Personally, I think it's too early to look at polls.

THIS.

If you're going to look at the polls before the primary we might as well not have a primary and just coronate Hickenlooper El Gobernador de la vida.

[Great-Kazoo]

Vote for which ever candidate you prefer, but vote. The D's BIG MONEY machine is doing the same here as VA. Is hick beatable, maybe, however his opponent has to receive a solid R voting block. If the same group of voters stays home as last election, because of not conservative enough. You may as well stay home this year and keep the D's in power.

[KAPA]

What is not to like about Kopp? Im being serious here.

[68Charger]

Kopp is the most conservative and best candidate available. I've already admitted I'm doubtful, at this point, he can beat Hickenlooper either. But I don't think that's the fault of the GOP or Kopp. There's no doubt Hickenlooper is a strong candidate but he's not invinceable. But it's not like the GOP can force someone who might be able to beat Hickenlooper to enter the race.

And there are others who constantly rail against the GOP putting forth the "most electable" candidate.

If you, and I, and all our friends get behind someone like Kopp and convince a few people each to vote for Kopp, and they convince a few people, he can beat Hickenlooper. But it isn't gonna happen by just predicting defeat and playing the "disenfranchised" victim. It's gonna take a lot of work.

Personally, I think it's too early to look at polls. I think you'll see Kopp becoming more and more popular. He won the top spot at the GOP assembly with little to no name recognition. He's been working hard on that in the months since.
Did Maes get outed as he did because the Dems waited for their voters to talk to their "friends"?

NO, the GOP was out smarted, out classed, and out strategized... They figured out how to beat him, came up with a strategy, and executed it... and the outcome was PATHETIC....
So figure out how to get the base energized, find a good candidate for them to get behind and... get them fired up! you can either do that by making the opposition look like a total corrupt tool, or you can get them excited over something your candidate stands for... but the GOP has been a total FAIL at these tactics..,.


Vote for which ever candidate you prefer, but vote. The D's BIG MONEY machine is doing the same here as VA. Is hick beatable, maybe, however his opponent has to receive a solid R voting block. If the same group of voters stays home as last election, because of not conservative enough. You may as well stay home this year and keep the D's in power.

Just a solid R voting block won't win here... look at the numbers... Colorado is roughly 1/3 D, 1/3 R, and 1/3 "unaffiliated" (the other parties are just noise)
YOU MUST win the unaffiliated... (I'm unaffiliated, and I haven't been convinced)... and I'm totally unwilling to vote for Hick- most UA aren't so inclined, you MUST convince THEM!!!!

ugh, it's as if the GOP learned exactly Jack and shit from the last elections, and Jack left town... (sigh)

[sroz]

I am one of those Independent voters & although none of these candidates excite me, I plan to vote anyone but Hick. In my opinion, Jim is absolutely right. If you sit home because your "R" candidate did not win, we lose. Yes, we need to get the "I" vote, but will that really matter if many of you Repubs stay home? I don' t need a perfect candidate to support. Hick & what has occurred in this state is enough to motivate me to go out and vote...against Hick.

[Singlestack]

Personally, I think it's too early to look at polls. I think you'll see Kopp becoming more and more popular. He won the top spot at the GOP assembly with little to no name recognition. He's been working hard on that in the months since.

Very true. The big money is spent after the primary. The new faces won't poll well against hick right now since they don't have the name recognition, and haven't spent the $$ to get recognition. Lots of time after the primary to get the word out. I'm not worried, but plan to vote Kopp. In the general, I'll vote for whoever has the R next to their name.

[Bailey Guns]

You don't have to win all the unaffiliated voters. You just have to win a bit more than the other guy in CO. Especially since Rs still have a registration advantage. What you have to do is get your people to vote.

[Hound]

I consider myself one of those unaffiliated. There are actually two things to consider here 1) getting people to vote and then 2) getting them to vote for your side. I will not vote for Hick but I will also will not vote for Tancredo. With unaffiliated, it is somewhat like they have two votes. If they don't vote at all niether side gets an advantage where a D/R would have only voted for their side anyway. If they do vote, the side they voted for not only got their vote, they also got one that otherwise may not have been counted in the first place. The R's have to put somebody up that at least half +1 of the unaffiliated can stomach. They have to be conservative Right wing enough for the base but not seen as an unreasonable Right wing nut for the rest.

[HoneyBadger]

So figure out how to get the base energized, find a good candidate for them to get behind and... get them fired up! you can either do that by making the opposition look like a total corrupt tool, or you can get them excited over something your candidate stands for... but the GOP has been a total FAIL at these tactics..,.

Yep. I seriously wonder where the Colorado GOP is getting their planning and strategy ideas from...


I sure hope Kopp wins the primary, but the Colorado GOP is already running ads for Beau. [facepalm]

Back on topic, I voted for Tancredo last time because the GOP screwed us (surprise!). This time, Tancredo won't get my vote.

[brutal]

The cat is sitting on my ballot. When she gets up, whatever butthole shitstain is selected will be my vote.

haha

j/k

Haven't really decided yet because I haven't had the time to do my own research.

[Zundfolge]

What is not to like about Kopp? Im being serious here.
Really the only thing not to like about Kopp is that he's not a household name ... however THAT may actually be his saving grace. Sure nobody outside of conservative and Republican circles knows him, but that means nobody outside of conservative and Republican hates him either.

Once the primary is over we all need to get behind the winner no matter who it is (yes, even Tancredo or Beauprez) because any of these guys will be better than Hickenlooper (and honestly none of them are "Dan Maes" or "Chris Christie" bad).

If Hickenlooper wins the gun laws he signed will be carved in stone, we'll never get rid of them (unless we're unGodly lucky in court). Period. Also the left will be so empowered by his victory it will be as though the recalls never happened and they'll go into leftard destruction overdrive (so you can forget ever having a good business environment or inexpensive utilities ever again).

A Hickenlooper win is likely the permanent Californication of Colorado.

[HoneyBadger]

I think Kopp's name not being well known is a good thing. The GOP always announces their candidates so darn early and the only thing it accomplishes is allowing the enemy more time to demonize them.

[KAPA]

Really the only thing not to like about Kopp is that he's not a household name ... however THAT may actually be his saving grace. Sure nobody outside of conservative and Republican circles knows him, but that means nobody outside of conservative and Republican hates him either.

Once the primary is over we all need to get behind the winner no matter who it is (yes, even Tancredo or Beauprez) because any of these guys will be better than Hickenlooper (and honestly none of them are "Dan Maes" or "Chris Christie" bad).

If Hickenlooper wins the gun laws he signed will be carved in stone, we'll never get rid of them (unless we're unGodly lucky in court). Period. Also the left will be so empowered by his victory it will be as though the recalls never happened and they'll go into leftard destruction overdrive (so you can forget ever having a good business environment or inexpensive utilities ever again).

A Hickenlooper win is likely the permanent Californication of Colorado.


That is the thing, Kopp seems like a no-brainer decision to me. Beuprez and Tancredo are proven losers already and will do nothing but drive voters to vote for Hick. With Kopp he is new and fresh. Gessler would be my second pick with the two retreads in a distant 3rd and who cares. I just can't believe that the CO GOP is pumping money toward the two retreads already and not trying to nuture and grow the new guys.

The one thing Kopp needs to be careful of is the abortion issue. Saw on twitter today that he was talking about how he is for whatever is pro-life. He needs to ignore this issue all together and when asked about it, just say that this election is not about abortion and then go on to talk about Obamacare, civil rights and economy.

[Zundfolge]

The one thing Kopp needs to be careful of is the abortion issue. Saw on twitter today that he was talking about how he is for whatever is pro-life. He needs to ignore this issue all together and when asked about it, just say that this election is not about abortion and then go on to talk about Obamacare, civil rights and economy.

Thing is, IIRC Kopp is a former pastor ... so he's actually less harmed by the pro-life position than most since people expect a pastor to be pro-life ... side note, Ritter was pro-life and it didn't stop dems or indys from voting for him (so I don't buy the idea that independents are completely turned off by it).

As for bringing the issue up, the Democrats will bring it up regardless. Just look at the ads against Cory Gardner and he's recanted his support for the person-hood amendment but the dems are still flinging the "wants to ban birth control (including the rhythm method) and throw unmarried pregnant women in prison for the rest of their lives" bovine scat.

[Bailey Guns]

Yep...it doesn't matter who it is on the republican side them democrats will use the non-issue of abortion to demonize that person. Standard operating procedure. I couldn't care less about how a candidate feels about abortion.

[Zundfolge]

Bailey Guns inspired me to create this...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/50624495.jpg

[polski]

Kopp +1

[muddywings]

I went with Kopp too. The others had too much baggage for me.
Fingers crossed...

[merl]

Bailey Guns inspired me to create this...

Well you see, some people do care. If it was not effective it would not keep coming up, much like "They are gonna take your guns."

[merl]

Was a story on NPR this morning (KUNC) that mentioned the democrats running these ads. Their effectiveness should drop if people know why they are being run.

[hollohas]

I am one of those Independent voters & although none of these candidates excite me, I plan to vote anyone but Hick. In my opinion, Jim is absolutely right. If you sit home because your "R" candidate did not win, we lose. Yes, we need to get the "I" vote, but will that really matter if many of you Repubs stay home? I don' t need a perfect candidate to support. Hick & what has occurred in this state is enough to motivate me to go out and vote...against Hick.

^This. Staying home doesn't help us at all. There will never be a prefect candidate. Get out and vote for the guy you like better than the other.

The only reason you shouldn't vote against Hick is if you think the other guy will be worse than Hick. And if that's the case you might as well cast your vote for for the incumbent.
Staying home is a wishy washy, passive tactic simply allowing everyone else to decide for you.

Do I think any of our choices are perfect? Hell no. But do I think most of them are better than Hick? Hell yes I do. So I will stand behind our only chance to beat him.

This country is being killed by incremental changes. We talk about it daily on this forum. Incremental shifts to the left each year are adding up to massive ideological shifts that are killing us. Maybe we should take a page from the lib playbook and fight back. We aren't going to get a perfect candidate which would amount to a massive shift back to the right. So maybe we should support a candidate that will give us an incremental shift back to the right? Take a single step in the right direction just so we can get a win.

Would it make sense for a football team to go out and throw a bomb to the endzone every single down? Nope. They fight for every yard. They fight for a first down so they can keep the ball.

Too many on the right understand there is no chance they are going to get a touchdown so instead of fighting for a first down they just take their ball and go home. But you know what, that's a forfeit. And a forfeit is still a LOSS.

[roberth]

Terrific post hollohas.

[Zundfolge]

Well you see, some people do care. If it was not effective it would not keep coming up, much like "They are gonna take your guns."

That's the $64 question though ... is it effective? If hanging the pro-life lable around the necks of Republicans like an albatross actually worked then how did the recalls win? The attacks on Herpin and Rivera were almost entirely built around the "these guys are pro-life so they hate women and are too extreme for Colorado" bs.

Also if so many people (especially dems and indys) made their decision based on abortion then why did Ritter win?

Polls show that abortion is pretty much a 50/50 issue in America now, and the people that are moved by the issue have pretty much already made up their minds which way their voting already (party lines) so I don't think the issue carries nearly the weight it used to (nor does it carry the same weight as "They're gonna take your guns!").

But all that still doesn't address my original point and that is if every Republican decided to never mention abortion again and the GOP removed any reference to it from their platform all they would really do is alienate their base and not gain a single vote from so-called independents and Democrats would still act like banning abortion (and by extension ending women's suffrage, and making women into second class citizens chained to the kitchen counter, barefoot and pregnant) is the only thing that Republicans want to do and that simply electing one Republican will cause it to happen (along with the establishment of a radical Christian Theocracy that makes the Taliban look like moderate secularists).

In other words the Democrats and the media (redundant) are going to lie. Period.

[merl]

I think you are wrong there. If the GOP removed abortion from the platform, shut up or actively spoke in support of it, and most important voted against the bills that inevitably come from the fringe it would vanish as an issue. The problem is that anyone that cares about it enough to let it sway votes (women) has plenty of examples on that issue when the GOP gets a strong majority. Folks that may not be single issue (at least they don't admit it) use it as one of the many things.
Single issue voters would no longer have that issue as a divisor (among the two major parties at least) if it was dropped from the platform. Would not happen overnight, time would be needed to show that it really was gone but it would go.
Same thing applies to global warming, gays, guns, any other issue that makes people single issue voters. If there is no difference between the major parties on their issue people will either move to third parties, not vote, or find another reason to vote for one of the big two.

The people in charge of of the parties know this and the dividing issues must get enough people motivated to be worth keeping on platforms. At least I hope they are smart enough to do the math but given the recent history of gay marriage I'm not so sure.

As for why the recalls won? The anger was very fresh in the minds of the people at the time so one side was very motivated. We might have seen something very different if it had been a mail in vote, you had to be motivated enough to go vote in person on a Tuesday. Everyone also knew it would not change the control of the state so the message of anger could be sent safely without regard for any other issues. If you believed in gun rights at all you could vote for the recall and all the other issues would remain as they were.

[Gman]

They're running commercials against Tancredo and Beauprez.

Sent from my electronic leash.

[Zundfolge]

I think you are wrong there. If the GOP removed abortion from the platform, shut up or actively spoke in support of it, and most important voted against the bills that inevitably come from the fringe it would vanish as an issue.
So you're saying the pro-life position is "the fringe"? See, that's the Goebbelian "big lie" the left has been telling us for decades.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/cwxs6ilfruwmhk8nndtoqg.png

The ONLY reason it's a big issue is because Democrats keep spreading the lie that America is a staunchly pro-choice nation and they keep bringing the issue up.

The truth is if the GOP were to abandon their pro-life position (or worse, actively take a pro-choice position) they'd lose their base and never win another election again (which is why the leftist run media keeps pushing us this way).


The other "big lie" we keep hearing is that Republicans lose because they're "too conservative" or "not reaching out to the middle" when the opposite is true. Conservative Republicans win more than moderate Republicans. If I were wrong then we'd have spent 2008-2012 complaining about whatever President McCain was doing and/or from 2012 to now what President Romney was doing.

[merl]

It would be a fringe issue if the GOP disavowed it. Right now it obviously is not. If america was not split on abortion one side or the other would have had to give up on it by now. We're not pro choice we're not pro life, we're split so it becomes a divisive issue. One side wants to ban something and the other does not so those that don't care but don't like seeing the government banning stuff puts a point in the other column. Are there really that many people with that as the single issue they vote based on and would abandon the GOP for third party?

Why is the state completely controlled by the democratic party if the republicans are not too conservative for the state?

[Zundfolge]

Are there really that many people with that as the single issue they vote based on and would abandon the GOP for third party?
No, they'll just stay home (like they did in 2010 and thus we got Hick in the first place).

Why is the state completely controlled by the democratic party if the republicans are not too conservative for the state?

Colorado is controlled by Democrats because Republicans are disunited, confused, many buying the "gotta be a moderate" lie and are being out organized (and cheated) by the wealthy Democrat machine.

There is no reason why Colorado can't follow Wisconsin and put a Scott Walker (staunch conservative and staunchly pro-life) in charge.

The comparison I keep coming back to is Walker vs Christie ... both are Republican gov's of deep blue states. Walker keeps winning (beating insane opposition including a couple of recall efforts) and Christie keeps losing ... Walker sticks to conservative principals unapologetically and Christie governs as a liberal and lies saying he's a conservative.

[UrbanWolf]

Look at all the infightings we have!

[Zundfolge]

Look at all the infightings we have!

Well this is primary season, so this is the time for infighting ... problem is too many in the GOP keep the infighting up after the primaries, which is something Democrats generally don't do.