Shadow Ops Weaponry

[Sam]

So if they're holding your can....what's the next call? ATF?

Yeah, I would call BATFE as they'll likely be taking all of the class 3 items and perhaps also try reaching out to the managing partners of the investment group PM me for their contact info.

[RCCrawler]

Something seems weird, if they were going to close the doors, fine that is their prerogative, why'd they need to show a police presence.

[Duman]

Something seems weird, if they were going to close the doors, fine that is their prerogative, why'd they need to show a police presence.

To keep people from stuffing their pockets with receivers, cans, and anything else that is not bolted down

[theGinsue]

Something seems weird, if they were going to close the doors, fine that is their prerogative, why'd they need to show a police presence.
Same reason we use our security personnel to escort out individuals who've been fired - to ensure they only take personal possessions and no company owned property and to ensure no vandalism/sabotage occurs to company property. People can be unpredictable when they suddenly find they're out of a job.

[brutal]

It can also help protect the employee against unfounded charges.

[RCCrawler]

It's also what a shady ass company does instead of just sitting down with the employees and discussing the situation like men.

[Wulf202]

Rc you haven't been in management long enough then.

[BPTactical]

It's also what a shady ass company does instead of just sitting down with the employees and discussing the situation like men.

That takes integrity.

[mindfold]

Well considering the last staff they had there tried a coup d'etat, I am not surprised they went this route.

[Great-Kazoo]

Well considering the last staff they had there DID a coup d'etat, I am not surprised they went this route.

FIFY

[mindfold]

FIFY (me)

[O2HeN2]

So much for my dream pen gun...

O2

[Firehaus]

What about the deal coins?!!!

Biggest joke of a company I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with.



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[Great-Kazoo]

What about the deal coins?!!!

Biggest joke of a company I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with.



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Avoid the spin off then.

[Firehaus]

Avoid the spin off then.

I've had one dealing with them and they took very good care of me. I realize some people had bad dealings with both sides which makes which side is at fault overall even harder to determine.

All I ever received from Paul was excuses, apologies and promises of awesome future stuff to be had with deal coins.

It took 1.5 YEARS to receive 2 308 lowers after being promised 2 months when I ordered them. Then to find out after cerakoting them that they don't take 3rd gen pmags unless I wanted to pay them to fix their design with extra mill work.


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[Delfuego]

Avoid the spin off then.Time to put a sock in it Jim.

[Limited GM]

Get this shit. I was approved back on December 8th and no one contacted me. I've been on the phone with the ATF this morning and awaiting another phone call. Realllllly pisses me that all this wouldn't be an issue if they'd done what they were suppose to do and contact me.

[henpecked]

Sign on door today 2-13-2015 "Under New Control". My buddy will be by there this afternoon I asked him to see if they have any contact information listed on this new sign. He said there were ATF people there last week. He said there were people in the building this week.

[Limited GM]

Well maybe there is hope......

[donut1010]

Please keep us updated on that, And Sam, I have sent you a PM in hopes of the contact information you alluded to earlier on this thread.

[vossman]

Wow, what a shit sandwich this is. Sorry some of the members got hosed.

[hollohas]

"Under new control" sounds so hostile. Normally signs of that nature use the words "management" or "ownership". Seems like the entire history of that business has been a giant battle and being under new "control" really fits the theme of the problems that business has had.

[brutal]

"...we have assumed control, we have assumed control, we have assumed control..."


http://youtu.be/npMyuxTdMpw

[Great-Kazoo]

"Under new control" sounds so hostile. Normally signs of that nature use the words "management" or "ownership". Seems like the entire history of that business has been a giant battle and being under new "control" really fits the theme of the problems that business has had.

Sad, but true.

[mtnrider]

"Under new control" sounds so hostile. Normally signs of that nature use the words "management" or "ownership". Seems like the entire history of that business has been a giant battle and being under new "control" really fits the theme of the problems that business has had.

That sounds to me like the investors (the money guys) didn't like the way their money was being managed/spent. My guess, the attempt to catch up and make right with all the people they screwed wasn't bringing any new money in, money was only going out so they put a stop to it.

[brutal]

Maybe they meant "Under Control"


[panic] [hahhah-no] [facepalm] [pileoshit] [beatdeadhorse]

[henpecked]

posted at pirate 4x4
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdoor-sports-recreation/1113197-shadow-ops-5-000-lowers-pre-order-12.html


http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/650110_Shadow_Ops_Weaponry.html&page=2 (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/650110_Shadow_Ops_Weaponry.html&page=2)


http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=169641 (http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=169641)

contact info in the above 2 links



Dear Shadow Ops Customer:

We are primary investors in Shadow Ops Weaponry, LLC. and were forced to shut it down due to apparent improprieties in the conducting of its business. We called in the ATF and the Colorado Attorney General's Office and the plant is under lock down and under investigation. We anticipate IRS involvement and possibly the U.S. Trustee and a Chapter 7 filing is likely. If a bankruptcy filing occurs you will be afforded a file number whereupon you can file a claim with the U.S. Trustee for what you believe is due you.

Under no circumstances do we accept, nor are we obligated, to assume or pay any of Shadow Ops Weaponry, LLC. debts.

[Great-Kazoo]

posted at pirate 4x4
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/outdoor-sports-recreation/1113197-shadow-ops-5-000-lowers-pre-order-12.html



Dear Shadow Ops Customer:

We are primary investors in Shadow Ops Weaponry, LLC. and were forced to shut it down due to apparent improprieties in the conducting of its business. We called in the ATF and the Colorado Attorney General's Office and the plant is under lock down and under investigation. We anticipate IRS involvement and possibly the U.S. Trustee and a Chapter 7 filing is likely. If a bankruptcy filing occurs you will be afforded a file number whereupon you can file a claim with the U.S. Trustee for what you believe is due you.

Under no circumstances do we accept, nor are we obligated, to assume or pay any of Shadow Ops Weaponry, LLC. debts.



Standard BS to CYA. It basically releases the "Investors" from liability. IMO this business was refunding money in such large quantities, they decided to file and make it look like something than it really is. I'd also not be surprised IF this "invesitgation" goes beyond the current employee pool. Figure the issues started 1+ years ago, maybe longer.

[Duman]

.......last one out, turn off the lights........ [gohome]

[Limited GM]

Update I finally got a return call from the local ATF office. Long story short, they told me they were working with the new owners and just have to go through a huge stack of papers to find my suppressors paperwork. In his words, "we have it and you'll get it soon."!!!!!!!


I would like like to add the guy I spoke to was extremely helpful, polite, and professional. He really gave the impression that everything was being handled.

[donut1010]

Got a call from a fella with shadow ops. I had sent my lowers in due to incorrect tolerances in the lowers, my LPK would not fit so they said they paid for me to send them back along with my LPK. The dream they sold me was "we will fix the lowers and install LPK for you". Then shit hit the fan. Anyway dude today that I talked to said he had an ATF agent standing over his shoulder and It sounded busy in the shop.

When asked if lowers were fixed he said if he had to guess, probably not. Said there were parts in the box maybe my LPK? When asked about the one upper I was missing he said he didn't have any and to take it up with Paul russ who is responsible for all existing/past orders.
That is the conversation in a nutshell.

[The Duke]

Well...........shit. Now what? I'll have to call and see where my suppressor is?? What are the odds I'm going to get this thing in my hands?

[O2HeN2]

Well...........shit. Now what? I'll have to call and see where my suppressor is?? What are the odds I'm going to get this thing in my hands?
What stage of the process were you in? For example, was the Form 4 submitted and you were just waiting on it?

O2

[Hound]

This is like a soap opera....."Days of our lives...... The Gun Shop Saga"

When we last left 'Donut1010' he had worked out a deal and thought the matter maybe closed but now a call from "THE SHOP" has a different take on the matter as an ATF Agent is at the crime scene...

SHOP: Mr Donut..... We got a box o' stuff with with your name on it
Donut: and the upper???
SHOP: what upper??

Dumb, Dumb...........DUMB

Will Donut get remediation on his lower? Are those parts an LPK? Is his upper missing in action???
Stay tuned for another episode as "These are the days of our lives........" Fade to music........

[Great-Kazoo]

This is like a soap opera....."Days of our lives...... The Gun Shop Saga"

When we last left 'Donut1010' he had worked out a deal and thought the matter maybe closed but now a call from "THE SHOP" has a different take on the matter as an ATF Agent is at the crime scene...

SHOP: Mr Donut..... We got a box o' stuff with with your name on it
Donut: and the upper???
SHOP: what upper??

Dumb, Dumb...........DUMB

Will Donut get remediation on his lower? Are those parts an LPR? Is his upper missing in action???
Stay tuned for another episode as "These are the days of our lives........" Fade to music........


The whole deal is a cluster fuck. [beatdeadhorse]

[Limited GM]

I was inside the building last night. For whatever reason I can't copy and paste my comments from face book on shadow ops page, but they're there if someone wants to know more. Poster Wayne Seale

[Sam]

While it's been posted in a number of OTHER places, here is the primary contact info for the "new" Shadow Ops Mgt.

Jim Silvester: 540-664-2934 (tel:540-664-2934) and netsil05@gmail.com
Tammy Scott: 720-290-3289 (tel:720-290-3289)
Mark

Don't be surprised if voicemails are full, but texts and e-mail may get through.

Best of luck guys!

(mods, feel free to shut the account down anyways, I still have my private account on here that I can continue to use)

[Hound]

Where is 'Paul' in all of this?


While it's been posted in a number of OTHER places, here is the primary contact info for the "new" Shadow Ops Mgt.

Jim Silvester: 540-664-2934 (tel:540-664-2934) and netsil05@gmail.com
Tammy Scott: 720-290-3289 (tel:720-290-3289)
Mark

Don't be surprised if voicemails are full, but texts and e-mail may get through.

Best of luck guys!

(mods, feel free to shut the account down anyways, I still have my private account on here that I can continue to use)

[USMC_5-Echo]

Does anyone else find it coincidental that they are called "Shadow Ops Weaponry" and all of the stuff is quite shady?

[Limited GM]

^^^^^^^^^Win.

[HBARleatherneck]

I would say the worst part is...

These people will probably stay in business either using this name(which would be idiotic) or making up a new name. Unfortunately unsuspecting people will probably get fucked over again.

[Duman]

And there we have it, the fat lady has sung .

[cfortune]

I would say the worst part is...

These people will probably stay in business either using this name(which would be idiotic) or making up a new name. Unfortunately unsuspecting people will probably get fucked over again.

I sold my AR last weekend and it was sitting on a shadow ops lower. The guys at the shop doing the transfer were like "dude, hang on to this, these guys aren't around anymore". They had no idea about the shit storm they had created.

[Monky]

You know what I'm taking out of all of this... The local guys are the first to fuck you. I didn't touch shadow ops, but another local doesn't seem to want to live up to his shit either.


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[The Duke]

I submitted the paperwork for my suppressor to the BATFE and the check was cashed in August. I would think that it should be sitting there, I have gotten paperwork back for items I ordered after those dates. (the other items order from other area shops). I'm going to try the phone numbers Sam dropped in here on Monday.

[Hoser]

I submitted the paperwork for my suppressor to the BATFE and the check was cashed in August. I would think that it should be sitting there, I have gotten paperwork back for items I ordered after those dates. (the other items order from other area shops). I'm going to try the phone numbers Sam dropped in here on Monday.

Have you called the ATF to ask about the status of your form 4?

[ray1970]

You know what I'm taking out of all of this...


Not to fork over money for a product that doesn't exist or isn't yet available?

[Great-Kazoo]

Not to fork over money for a product that doesn't exist or isn't yet available?

Or with people who crowd fund on FB and other social media.

[airborneranger]

I pre-purchased a lower from them way back when they were first offered. I was hesitant and I went against my better judgment but I did it anyway. It took over a year but I did get my lower and a matching upper. I am one of the lucky ones.


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[Duman]

[beatdeadhorse]

[theGinsue]

Folks, this thread has been left open to allow those who still have grievances with Shadow Ops to have a sounding board where other members can offer constructive advice. Unfortunately, those types of posts are mixed in with a lot of nonsense that doesn't need to be here. This is creating a growing opinion that it's time to shut this thread down.

I think we can probably all agree on two things in regards to Shadow Ops:
(1) Shadow Ops Weaponry has been a dismal failure from the start - to the extent that many customers were screwed by them with unsatisfied problems and unfulfilled orders.
(2) Former Shadow Ops employee & board member Sam worked diligently to try to make things right for our members.

Now, please refrain from posting here if you aren't a customer still seeking redress for your grievances or offering constructive advice to one who is.

Thank you!

[Sam]

Where is 'Paul' in all of this?

He was the first to go that day, the "investment group" foreclosed on all of his shares, forced him out, and then kicked everyone else to the curb since we were all of "his employees." At this point, they're even trying to bring criminal charges against him, saying that he embezzled tons of money out of the company :-/

[O2HeN2]

I submitted the paperwork for my suppressor to the BATFE and the check was cashed in August. I would think that it should be sitting there, I have gotten paperwork back for items I ordered after those dates. (the other items order from other area shops). I'm going to try the phone numbers Sam dropped in here on Monday.
What Hoser said, call the ATF. Since it was past the Form 4 submission stage, your property [note the phrasing there] should be safe.

O2

[Limited GM]

The above is pretty much what I went through. After I contacted the ATFS and was given the local office, they could confirm that I had been cleared back in December. Then the Agent was able to confirm my can was in the building due to the inventory they (whomever) had done. Once I gave the Agent my description and serial number, he confirmed that it was in house and that I would get it.

[killianak9]

This was posted on their Facebook acct this AM

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/05/72c381a68bf48b4666ef28c6c356e2fc.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/05/9327b4d74f21818d41b0c6018658aeb6.jpg

[RCCrawler]

So in other words, fuck you guys, we're going to take all the money we stole from you and run off like the thieves we are and there's nothing you can do about it.


I just wonder, am I ever going to get my deal coin?

[killianak9]

So in other words, fuck you guys, we're going to take all the money we stole from you and run off like the thieves we are and there's nothing you can do about it.


I just wonder, am I ever going to get my deal coin?

Yeah, pretty much!

[airborneranger]

Wow. I just logged onto FB and the responses to the post are pretty good. I like how the victims (i.e. customers) are now being blamed. Stay classy Shadow Ops, stay classy.

[RCCrawler]

Crazy how they say they've been pumping all these funds out with nothing coming in. What happened to the months of funds being pumped in and no product going out the door?

[airborneranger]

Crazy how they say they've been pumping all these funds out with nothing coming in. What happened to the months of funds being pumped in and no product going out the door?

I don't understand those statements either. An earlier post stated that they were over 750K in back orders with only about 250K of on hand product. That is a pretty big delta.

Prior to this latest disaster I talked with the Paul Russ on the phone. He fixed the issues with my lower and sent me a matching upper. I truly thought everything was slowly being turned around until this hostile takeover.

Lots of people are out of their money and it is ridiculous to start blaming the customers (as the new management is doing) and shutting the doors.

[hollohas]

On Feb 12 they posted that you the customer was TOP Priority....that didn't last long.

[O2HeN2]

I'm one lucky SOB to have gotten two lowers fixed (and returned to me) just a couple of weeks before all this happened!

O2

[Irving]

How do you take something over without an understanding that you'll have to deal with all the ongoing issues and current customers? Sad turn of events.

[TFOGGER]

Yet their website is still up and taking orders...

[Dave]

Yet their website is still up and taking orders...

https://www.shadowopsweaponry.com/custom-ar-15-lower-receiver-billetnoveske-lwrc-1

Deal coin lowers for those who were wondering... [fail]

[hollohas]

But guys, he had a heart attack last year and his mom died decades ago and it's his birthday and you all are ungrateful that your money and equipment was stolen.

[killianak9]

I'm one lucky SOB to have gotten two lowers fixed (and returned to me) just a couple of weeks before all this happened!

O2

By reading their comments from other previous customers on Facebook, you are one of very very few. And it also sounds like almost all that were returned had to be sent in again to be fixed !
As said before some "shady shadow ops "
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/05/8f4e56df76cf8c9d33c3beb6ea09df5f.jpg

[kidicarus13]

Heart attack 6 months ago? Mother died hours before birthday 24 years ago?! Oh I get it... NO

[hollohas]

The whining FB post has been deleted. Moral of the story, don't drink and post.

[killianak9]

The whining FB post has been deleted. Moral of the story, don't drink and post.

This is a shit show for sure. Getting popcorn[emoji482]

[TFOGGER]

http://sveiflan.blog.is/users/e3/sveiflan/img/c_stop_global_whining.png

I thought these guys were going to do whatever they could to make a bad situation better. Apparently I was wrong. People that had been waiting for 2+ years to receive orders apparently hurt their feelers.

Business is not for the thin skinned.

[Mazin]

Then when I was 6 I had an ingrown toenail and then my mommy made cookies [Coffee]


Wtf was that? Who gives a shit about more lame ass excuses, wish they would just live up to their responsibilites and take care of their customers.

[airborneranger]

Then when I was 6 I had an ingrown toenail and then my mommy made cookies [Coffee]


Wtf was that? Who gives a shit about more lame ass excuses, wish they would just live up to their responsibilites and take care of their customers.

Ya, that was one of the oddest posts that I have seen in a while.

[airborneranger]

And now those posts are deleted. Are they open? Maybe, maybe not......

[Hound]

I am another of the few that at least got something out of all of this. Yup... Lucky. I feel for the rest who did not. My take is Paul really wants/ed to do the right thing with my dealings with him on my own lowers. He was genuinely excited about what was coming down the road. On the business side........well you see where it is at. Sam.... My hat is off to you. You definitely came into a bad situation and made the best of it...... Don't blame you at all...... Thanks for trying. Who ever this jackhole is on FB......... See ya in the news. You are really asking for it and only putting gas on the fire. I don't wish you any harm but wow....... Not a PR guy is an understatement. I bet we hear more whinning from him soon.

[facepalm]

[cstone]

Maybe Shadow Ops was too big to fail? Where was the federal government bail out and take over to save all of the customers, employees and investors? [Sarcasm2]

I feel bad for those who were screwed, but my feelings don't change anything or do anything for anyone. Anyone ever bought anything expensive; car, house, or made an investment and not received what they agreed to? Sometimes bad things happen. At some point, and I know that point is different for everyone, we just cut our losses and move on.

College is not the only education in life that costs money.

Be safe.

[henpecked]

I'm standing in front of shadow ops. All signs and information have been removed from the building. Lady opened the door and said they are gone. I could see empty cases inside. She was real apologetic.

[BPTactical]

Pathetic excuses.
They must have graduated from the original US business college, "Screw U".

And that posting....Whambulance code 10!

We get it, the business failed. Shit happens, my cat puked on the homework...blah blah blah.

Life hands us all a shit sammich some days..so what?
It's what you do afterwards that counts.

[Duman]

So...what's next? Track down the douchebag and bang on his door?

[Irving]

So...what's next? Track down the douchebag and bang on his wife?

I figured since this thread isn't going to last much longer anyway, might as well fix your post.

[Duman]

[LOL]Hahaha!

[Firehaus]

Paul = Obama

He's always in sales mode and the more you hear him talk the more you start to see through it.


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[The Duke]

Well I had spoke to Tammy at around 11am, was told I should hear from her by afternoon. I guess I'll try to call her tomorrow?[panic]

[BPTactical]

Sorry, I just hate to see good folks get hosed.

[Firehaus]

Sorry, I just hate to see good folks get hosed.

+[emoji817]


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[airborneranger]

Well I had spoke to Tammy at around 11am, was told I should hear from her by afternoon. I guess I'll try to call her tomorrow?[panic]

What did they fail to deliver to you?



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[kidicarus13]

College is not the only education in life that costs money.


See signature line

[Duman]

See signature line

I sure hope Tony Beets pays well, because he's capricious and unsafe.

[BushMasterBoy]

https://www.facebook.com/ShadowOpsWeaponry

I don't know what this last posting means. I think they are in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy (liquidation) If it was me, I would be contacting the Colorado Attorney General.

http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/consumerfraudcomplaint

[airborneranger]

It looks like Paul Russ is still out there. I thought Copper Kinetics was his business but I guess it represents the new owners of Shadow Ops?

Edit - This is an old post from late February.

57257

[Erni]

Longmont Times Call did an article about this. Not sure if this has been mentioned. Fwiw.

[Great-Kazoo]

Folks, this thread has been left open to allow those who still have grievances with Shadow Ops to have a sounding board where other members can offer constructive advice. Unfortunately, those types of posts are mixed in with a lot of nonsense that doesn't need to be here. This is creating a growing opinion that it's time to shut this thread down.

I think we can probably all agree on two things in regards to Shadow Ops:
(1) Shadow Ops Weaponry has been a dismal failure from the start - to the extent that many customers were screwed by them with unsatisfied problems and unfulfilled orders.
(2) Former Shadow Ops employee & board member Sam worked diligently to try to make things right for our members.

Now, please refrain from posting here if you aren't a customer still seeking redress for your grievances or offering constructive advice to one who is.

Thank you!

Just to refresh the thread.

[airborneranger]

Just to refresh the thread.

Since they closed the doors and refuse to answer any emails or phone calls, there isn't any "constructive" advice to offer. Why keep the thread open?

Sorry for those who lost money to these folks.


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[theGinsue]

Agreed.

Those of you still owed something from them need to contact the Colorado Attorney General quickly to find out how to get a claim in legally.

CLOSED.