Hope this is true

[Ripper]

Sounds promising.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/us/politics/20cong.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

[esaabye]

I would still prefer we had single issue up and down votes and not play these games. This time it may favor me but last time and next time...

Better to not play the game.

[ChunkyMonkey]

We are simply playing 'their' game.

[68Charger]

I would still prefer we had single issue up and down votes and not play these games. This time it may favor me but last time and next time...

Better to not play the game.


I'd love for that to be the case, but I think showing them that we can play the same game sends a message- that they're going to get what they give...

so maybe in the long run, good may come of it..

I understand your position- taking the high road.. but the low road is better progress than a stalemate...

[Zundfolge]

Well its mixed news ... sure we'll be able to CCW in National Parks ... but we're all going to start getting screwed on credit card interest and fees (basically the credit card part forbids the CC companies from punishing the deadbeats ... so you KNOW they'll end up punishing EVERYONE, but that's par for the course for the left, equal distribution of misery).

But hell, the Credit Card bill was gonna pass anyway so we might as well get something out of it :p

[GunTroll]

^^very true! Good point.

[Tristan]

Remember the old song; "just a spoonful of sugar......makes the medicine go down......"?!

[funkfool]

Follow up on this:
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5370
New Rule on Guns in Parks Takes Effect February 22
Tuesday, February 09, 2010
On February 22, a new law on guns in national parks takes effect. The law repeals a National Park Service rule that has long prohibited Americans from lawfully possessing firearms in national parks for self-defense.
The new law, passed last spring by an overwhelming bipartisan vote in the U.S. Senate, will allow people to possess, carry and transport firearms in national parks, in accordance with state law.
However, many details remain to be worked out. Reports indicate that National Park Service officials are debating issues such as the definition of “federal facilities,” where firearms will remain prohibited under a different federal law.
NPS officials are expected to issue further information as February 22 approaches, and some parks have already published information on their new policies. Because state laws vary greatly, before you visit a national park, you should check the park’s website or call the park headquarters for more information. NRA will also provide updates as they become available.

[Bitter Clinger]

If what i heard on the news this morning you would need a CCW. Which is pointless because if you have a CCW you were allowed to carry anyways right? I want to open carry where i go fishing/camping. Pretty deep in where i go, i have seen quite a few large bears, only one close enough to cause me any concern, but lets face it. Im more worried about the two legged bears rather than a wild animal that already fears me.

[esaabye]

I hope you are not correct on the CCW. Will have to monitor that...

As for 2 legged bears...
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13212051

[newracer]

If what i heard on the news this morning you would need a CCW. Which is pointless because if you have a CCW you were allowed to carry anyways right? I want to open carry where i go fishing/camping. Pretty deep in where i go, i have seen quite a few large bears, only one close enough to cause me any concern, but lets face it. Im more worried about the two legged bears rather than a wild animal that already fears me.

Prior to this new legislation even if you had a CHP you could not carry in a NP.

In Colorado they can still prohibit open carry. Weather or not it is currently prohibited I don't know.

[rtr]

If what i heard on the news this morning you would need a CCW. Which is pointless because if you have a CCW you were allowed to carry anyways right

Up until today it was illegal to CCW in National Parks with or without a valid CCW permit.

[ryanek9freak]

As of today though, you CAN OC in a national park, I confirmed this with a friend of mine who is an 11 Mile park ranger.

As far as I know, they only place in Colorado that shuns OC is Denver county (nazi douchebags)

[Irving]

And Vail, and apparently even Arvada now.

[newracer]

As of today though, you CAN OC in a national park, I confirmed this with a friend of mine who is an 11 Mile park ranger.

As far as I know, they only place in Colorado that shuns OC is Denver county (nazi douchebags)

There are a lot of places than bat OC, most city and county open spaces for example.

[funkfool]

From NAGR:

Firearms now legal in some National Parks
The long-standing prohibition on firearms in National Parks was lifted today.
The new law, which went into effect this morning, mirrors state law. Simply put, you can now possess firearms in a National Park under the same state laws that govern firearms in the rest of that state.

The actual law reads:
(b) Protecting the Right of Individuals To Bear arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.--The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--
(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and
(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.

The truth is we don't really know how the National Park Service is going to apply the law. Often, the bureaucrats on the ground don’t really know the law and end up randomly enforcing what they “want” and not always what is law.
For the time being one thing we know is true; you can now posses a firearm in a National Park, so long as you are in compliance with the state law where the park is located.
The legislation in question, H.R. 627 the credit card reform bill, was amended by Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) to include the new pro-gun language.
Coburn’s amendment was a reaction to bureaucratic bungling by the Bush Administration. In the waning hours of the 2008, outgoing Interior Department officials attempted to change the rules to allow concealed carry in some parks.
However the last minute change circumvented the legal process for such rule changes and was blocked by a court order. Incoming Obama administration officials then reversed the rules, which led to Coburn's amendment of the credit card reform bill.
While these rules are certainly a step in the right direction they are a far cry from truly embracing our Second Amendment rights. Sadly, the fact remains that virtually no one can carry a gun at Minuteman Park in Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts.
The very National Park that celebrates the armed uprising of our founding fathers, who were fighting against the British attempts to confiscate their firearms, remains closed to concealed carry.
We can -- and should -- celebrate this victory, but keep our long term goal of self-defense in all National Parks in mind.

http://www.nationalgunrights.org/
Go ahead - join the NAGR

[Irving]

Has anyone ever been approached while hiking and asked if you were carrying?

[newracer]

I have never been asked if I was carrying anywhere, except from my wife and friends.

[Irving]

Me either. I can't even think of an example of why you would be approached and asked if you were carrying unless someone saw something or you were getting arrested for a bar fight or something.