Update on OD Green Supply burglary [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

Skully

06-12-2014, 18:24

The female in the video confessed on Wednesday 11Jun2014 to the burglary of
OD Green Supply.

One down 2 to go and my thoughts are just a matter of time until she rolls on the other 2.

Say what you want about the owners and store, but in the end it affects us all when scumbags fuck shit up for a Mom & Pop business.

Where the hell have you been? Hope things are going better for you..................[Beer]

Ran out of BOTD pics ?

Such a bad boy................... [Coffee]

ChunkyMonkey

06-12-2014, 18:50

Damn Gabe.. good to see you are alive.

ZERO THEORY

06-12-2014, 18:51

Well, after their intentional price gouging during AND after the panic, I'm not feeling sorry for them. But I agree that criminals stealing firearms is obviously bad, so I hope the other parties get caught and punished to the full extent of the law.

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 19:25

ZERO THEORY

06-12-2014, 19:50

I don't believe in Unicorns or knomes and "price gouging" falls in the same category.

Gnomes.

Here's the deal. As a capitalist, I understand that it's their prerogative to ask whatever price they want. People paid it. And basic economics says that if they didn't raise their prices, they'd sell out of their goods too quickly, be unable to acquire more, and be left without a revenue stream; plenty of demand with no supply to drive the business. I'm all on board at this point.

What I have a problem with is the market rate hovering right around 80 cents/round at its highest point, with everyone else able to stay in business and try their best to meet demand while OD Green was literally charging $1.40/round for the same munitions. A 57% disparity is cause for alarm, and although it is their prerogative, it's also mine to call them price gouging shills. As a bonus, the one time I bought something from them, a 20-something who was literally wearing a plate carrier with armor behind the counter had a very audible outburst about wanting to kill an annoying vendor. He was identifying himself as Sergeant X; United States Marine Corps. The consummate professional.

No tears here.

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 20:19

Gnomes.

Here's the deal. As a capitalist, I understand that it's their prerogative to ask whatever price they want. People paid it. And basic economics says that if they didn't raise their prices, they'd sell out of their goods too quickly, be unable to acquire more, and be left without a revenue stream; plenty of demand with no supply to drive the business. I'm all on board at this point.

What I have a problem with is the market rate hovering right around 80 cents/round at its highest point, with everyone else able to stay in business and try their best to meet demand while OD Green was literally charging $1.40/round for the same munitions. A 57% disparity is cause for alarm, and although it is their prerogative, it's also mine to call them price gouging shills. As a bonus, the one time I bought something from them, a 20-something who was literally wearing a plate carrier with armor behind the counter had a very audible outburst about wanting to kill an annoying vendor. He was identifying himself as Sergeant X; United States Marine Corps. The consummate professional.

No tears here.

Were people being forced to buy it?

ETA: Thank you for the spelling correction.

ZERO THEORY

06-12-2014, 20:29

Were people being forced to buy it?

No, and that's not my point of contention. Price gouging is not defined by, or predicated upon, being forced to buy something. That's called communism. It's the intentional and purpose-driven act of charging exorbitant prices for goods. I suppose that if the people buy it, the demand is there at that price. So I can't condemn them as a lover of all things laissez-faire. But I can condemn it as a principle and code of integrity.

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 20:32

No, and that's not my point of contention. Price gouging is not defined by, or predicated upon, being forced to buy something. That's called communism. It's the intentional and purpose-driven act of charging exorbitant prices for goods. I suppose that if the people buy it, the demand is there at that price. So I can't condemn them as a lover of all things laissez-faire. But I can condemn it as a principle and code of integrity.

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Great-Kazoo

06-12-2014, 20:35

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Really.
Those who charge more gouge. Those who charge more and cannot keep the door open close. OD is still in business, so someone must be sitting in the seats they put out.

ZERO THEORY

06-12-2014, 20:40

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Dude. If the factory service writer at Schomp BMW quotes me $4K for a transmission, you quote me $3,785 with OEM parts, and Advanced Transmission asks $6,712, it's called gouging. Someone will pay it, yes. Someone "needs" it, so there will be a demand. That doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of line to be crossed, even if it is subjective.

Great-Kazoo

06-12-2014, 20:42

Dude. If the factory service writer at Schomp BMW quotes me $4K for a transmission, you quote me $3,785 with OEM parts, and Advanced Transmission asks $6,712, it's called gouging. Someone will pay it, yes. Someone "needs" it, so there will be a demand. That doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of line to be crossed, even if it is subjective.

You need to get over it. It's their business they charge what they like. You feel the price is too high move on. OR complain about it on line, AGAIN.

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 20:42

Dude. If the factory service writer at Schomp BMW quotes me $4K for a transmission, you quote me $3,785 with OEM parts, and Advanced Transmission asks $6,712, it's called gouging. Someone will pay it, yes. Someone "needs" it, so there will be a demand. That doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of line to be crossed, even if it is subjective.

LOL. I look at that and think I should raise my prices. If they can get that for the same job I am undercutting myself since I am clearly worth more then they are.

roberth

06-12-2014, 20:43

Stinks they got burgled. Glad they got a perp to talk.

I don't believe in Unicorns or knomes and "price gouging" falls in the same category.

Hear hear.

Supply and demand and the owner sets the price, if you don't like it you can leave.

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 20:53

What I don't think you realize about business is my goal as a business man is not to be the cheapest around. My goal is to charge as much as I can and keep my tech and myself busy. I refuse to race to the bottom when it comes to price.

I charge a lot because I buy the best equipment, I pay for school for myself and EVERYONE who works for me, I keep my lights on, I buy the top quality parts and I provide a nation wide warranty for two years. In point of fact I am paying to send my shop manager to DFW for a weekend to attend a class on running a shop. So I am paying for the class, the plane ticket, the hotel, and the food to make sure she is a highly trained as I need her to be. Does she already do a damn good job? Yup, but it doesn't hurt to see another angle on how to do a job right.

That costs money.

So I charge a premium for my work.

ETA: I keep finding more to say.

You might consider my prices to be gouging. Because they are indeed high. Personally I think people who come to my shop and pay those prices get their money's worth out of me.

yz9890

06-12-2014, 20:55

The one time I went in there a salesman with the AR on a single point was in a heated argument with a customer about the prices. It's everyone's right to have a loaded gun but it's my right to beat feet when one them gets pissed off. The dude cleared the store.

Great-Kazoo

06-12-2014, 21:01

Want to complain about pricing start another thread. OR resurrect the one that started way back, last time someone's vagina got sand in it.

HoneyBadger

06-12-2014, 21:01

I don't believe in Unicorns or knomes and "price gouging" falls in the same category.
I gotta agree with ol' sandy-crotch here.

I used to think that price gouging was indeed a real thing but it only applied to necessary commodities such as food and water during a crisis. If you were talking about any other item, especially something such as ammo, which is widely considered a sporting good component, then there was no such thing as price gouging - That was called capitalism.

I have since come to realize that there really is no such thing as price gouging. Capitalism simply doesn't recognize it. If you don't like their prices or the way they operate, then take your money somewhere else. If the market doesn't like their prices or the way they operate, the establishment will go under. Thus, the market speaks. Capitalism.

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 21:10

Want to complain about pricing start another thread. OR resurrect the one that started way back, last time someone's vagina got sand in it.

I believe you mean this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/76761-price-gouging?highlight=gouging

DD977GM2

06-12-2014, 21:24

So as I said who gives a shit about the myth of price gouging.

Also I would turn in some POS again knowing what I know now so don't take this as if I regret the decision. I am going to DA to seek more assistance with witness/victim protection.

The burglary of any firearms or ammo etc affects all of us in the firearm community. I posted this for a few reasons. it reiterates to me the no good deed goes unpunished. By that I contemplated for 36-48 hours on whether to report. I reported it anonymously and yet the fucking Investigating Detective used my name to get the confession. I'm sole provider for 6 kids and Asking the ID at Arvada how they can protect me due to credible threats on my life now was nill. I basically have to take my own protection in my own hands and regardless of all precautions I take I cannot be everywhere I need to be etc.

I am afraid of no one on this earth thus why I came to the conclusion it was in everyone's best interest to let out the info I came across. My life was threatened along with my wife's by the person who allowed Noah Graf and Jodie Howard to stay in their home. The home owner aka Norm over cash his wife owed my wife is the person who threatened both of us. Again falls under the being sole provider and me being "Papa Bear" to do what I have to to protect my family.

Then the fin reason is I need some help from folks on here. Feel free to PM or PM me for my number and we can talk further. I have a pistol for protection and one for wife and kids but lack a few other things and also could use some resources to know where the POS people are.

Appreciate you guys resurrecting the old thread if you wish to debate economics and keep this for help and any info.

GM2

newracer

06-12-2014, 21:43

price gouging - pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available

DD977GM2

06-12-2014, 21:46

Transferred means still in custody, correct ?

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=6000&agency=60&id=2014179230&searchType=offender

Great-Kazoo

06-12-2014, 21:47

I believe you mean this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/76761-price-gouging?highlight=gouging

That was one of them. The other was the Price Gouger List of vendors thread. Once again vagina where penis should have been.
Oddly enough [beatdeadhorse] A fair percentage of "price gouger" complainers, had no problem posting their shit for above market prices, cause that was ok.

BPTactical

06-12-2014, 21:47

"Knomes"- noun, commonly the more knowledgeable of the genus "Gnomes", which are known to inhabit gardens and flower pots.
Knomes- prefer to stay indoors, frequently under beds and only seen at night for they know the knowledge that should they inhabit gardens and flower pots as their less knowledgeable brethren they would get peed on by the neighborhood dog or kidnapped by bored rich suburbanites and carted across the world and silly photographs taken of them because the didn't know enough to stay unknown.

Now ya know.

[Muaha]

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 21:47

price gouging - pricing above the market price when no alternative retailer is available

Sigh. If I am the only one who can provide the good or service you need/want what is the market price? When something is rare the price doesn't go down does it?

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 21:49

tmleadr03

06-12-2014, 21:51

That was one of them. The other was the Price Gouger List of vendors thread. Once again vagina where penis should have been.
Oddly enough [beatdeadhorse] A fair percentage of "price gouger" complainers, had no problem posting their shit for above market prices, cause that was ok.

Which I find very amusing. I currently have an International Scout listed for what is clearly over market value. How do I know this? Cus it is still for sale. I suppose that makes me a price gouger.

TFOGGER

06-12-2014, 21:52

Call me at the shop if I can help, Gabe.

ZERO THEORY

06-12-2014, 21:56

http://www.miscupload.com/upload/307049937084465575417964.gif

Great-Kazoo

06-12-2014, 22:21

Which I find very amusing. I currently have an International Scout listed for what is clearly over market value. How do I know this? Cus it is still for sale. I suppose that makes me a price gouger.

For what you've its a fair price. Unfortunately it's a stick or it be in my shop. Last one i had was a 79, out pulled almost everything in it's class and more.

Irving

06-12-2014, 22:26

ZeroTherory, from now on, just say, "Screw those guys" and leave it at that, and everyone will agree with you.

Gabe, hope everything goes well for you and there is a positive (for you) conclusion.

newracer

06-12-2014, 22:49

Sigh. If I am the only one who can provide the good or service you need/want what is the market price? When something is rare the price doesn't go down does it?

Anymore it is very rare that a good or service is only available from a single source.

theGinsue

06-13-2014, 00:30

Everybody STOP with the price gouging discussion in this thread. Create another thread if it's that important to you.

I vaguely know about the thefts at OD Green Supply and don't know what's transpired that's caused one of our members to be involved. What I gather from posts #21 & 23 on this thread is that we've got a member, a Brother, from this site who is in need of assistance and his family is in a potentially volatile situation because he did the right thing. Let's keep the discussion focused on the primary topic of this thread and find ways that we as a community can aid our Brother and his family.

Gabe, PM incoming.

clublights

06-13-2014, 01:03

Transferred means still in custody, correct ?

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=6000&agency=60&id=2014179230&searchType=offender

Your link shows me nada since I'm not logged in ..

but As for transferred meaning still in custody .. I'd wager YES. like if arrested in denver they would start at the downtown jailhouse then be transferred out to Smith Road if they are staying for more then 1-2 days .

DD977GM2

06-13-2014, 03:54

Your link shows me nada since I'm not logged in ..

but As for transferred meaning still in custody .. I'd wager YES. like if arrested in denver they would start at the downtown jailhouse then be transferred out to Smith Road if they are staying for more then 1-2 days .

I was on my phone so try this link out. I am adding the 2 in custody their info from the site.

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=6000&agency=60&id=2014179230&searchType=offender

clublights

06-13-2014, 07:09

I was on my phone so try this link out. I am adding the 2 in custody their info from the site.

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=6000&agency=60&id=2014179230&searchType=offender

Still kicks me out ...

DD977GM2

06-13-2014, 07:55

Still kicks me out ...

Thats wierd. Well follow the steps for search and look up Noah Graf

i did add the info from 4am in original post though.

Great-Kazoo

06-13-2014, 08:00

Thats wierd. Well follow the steps for search and look up Noah Graf

i did add the info from 4am in original post though.

he's in another facility, somewhere in the metro area. Or they would have posted Out on bail / bond.

HBARleatherneck

06-13-2014, 08:03

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/neighbors-stunned-as-police-remove-dozens-of-computers-social-security-cards-body-armor-from-apt

these guys are dirtbags
more crime
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/thieves-break-into-denver-storage-unit-steal-power-tools-livelihood-of-local-construction-worker05152014

welcome back Gabe.

and more on the robbery
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/suspect-suv-sought-in-arvada-gun-store-burglary-police-say-more-than-100k-in-ammo-taken02272014

I think we should take this time to thank some pussy ass judge for returning these dirtbags and zillions more back to the street to prey on hardworking decent people.

cofi

06-13-2014, 08:11

Came in here to talk crap about od green all I see is a lot of butthurt

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcds0uWKXJ1rotjwmo1_400.gif

kidicarus13

06-13-2014, 08:37

I think we should take this time to thank some pussy ass judge for returning these dirtbags and zillions more back to the street to prey on hardworking decent people.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/doj-eric-holder-urges-reduced-prison-sentence-plan

BPTactical

06-13-2014, 09:49

I thought this was about Knomes....[Coffee]

DD977GM2

06-13-2014, 10:02

I thought this was about Knomes....[Coffee]

Knomes??? Someone mention Knomes???

Kraven251

06-13-2014, 11:16

Knomes??? Someone mention Knomes???

Isn't that a place in Alaska? [Flower]

StagLefty

06-13-2014, 11:43

^ Yup it's the houses the people from Kodiak live in [ROFL3]

Great-Kazoo

06-13-2014, 11:45

Theres no place like Gnome

Irving

06-13-2014, 12:29

Gabe, what is your honest evaluation of the actual threat level? Do you feel is more than just talk?

Ah Pook

06-13-2014, 12:40

Gnome Gnome Gnome...

http://www.thegardengates.com/Data/Default/Images/Catalog/Original/S-412_zoom.jpg

Damn, this thread is all over the place.

tmleadr03

06-13-2014, 12:50

Gabe, what is your honest evaluation of the actual that level? Do you feel is more than just talk?

What level?

Great-Kazoo

06-13-2014, 12:57

What level?

THAT Level >

https://sp2.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608001205596914022&pid=15.1

All kidding aside. IF the potential threat level is there, This whole conversation should be done OFF line. Minimizes fall back on the board, MODS, AND GABE.

buffalobo

06-13-2014, 12:58

What level?
I think he meant to type "threat" level and either fat fingered it or auto correct butchered it.

lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

Irving

06-13-2014, 13:06

Yeah that level, sorry.

StagLefty

06-13-2014, 13:06

Theres no place like Gnome

Wrong Gnomenclature [Coffee]

ChunkyMonkey

06-13-2014, 13:14

Bet ya all think GNOMES are fake... well ask Islandermyke.. he just had life changing experience last month when I showed him the real thing (common in asia..but harder to see here for some reason).

islandermyk

06-13-2014, 13:20

Bet ya all think GNOMES are fake... well ask Islandermyke.. he just had life changing experience last month when I showed him the real thing (common in asia..but harder to see here for some reason).

They're everywhere!!!!

Since I've been exposed to this... I have been seeing them everywhere!!!

ChunkyMonkey

06-13-2014, 13:21

They're everywhere!!!!

Since I've been exposed to this... I have been seeing them everywhere!!!

Still think paranormal stuffs aren't real?!

islandermyk

06-13-2014, 13:27

Still think paranormal stuffs aren't real?!

Ow.. they're real.... and times annoying...

ChunkyMonkey

06-13-2014, 13:27

Ow.. they're real.... and times annoying...

Do you still need dollar bill on your head to see it?

islandermyk

06-13-2014, 13:31

Do you still need dollar bill on your head to see it?

I realize by sticking 4 quarters on my head at the same time increases the visual effects of these entities.... chanting the words also may get you some kind of a response by these things too.

Skully

06-13-2014, 13:34

Just got done watching "Gnomeo and Juliet" with the kids..................

Gman

06-13-2014, 14:08

What in the wide wide world of gnomes is a goin' on here?

Sent from my electronic leash.

DD977GM2

06-13-2014, 15:45

Gabe, what is your honest evaluation of the actual that level? Do you feel is more than just talk?

Between you and me and the board, I am see folks making the oddball turns I make in a vehicle MORE than 2 times. The PD used my full name (FML) to get the confession from Jodie Howard on Wednesday.
The Investigating Detective said that no one would come after me. In situations such as this, there are NO coincidences. Such as the tattooed face guy yesterday in an area that rarely sees folks that way meaning it was a ncie area and the hotel was roughly $175 or better a night. The vehiucles that go to pass me and then slow down then speed up and have no front or rear plates and no temp tag in any window.

I honestly feel very credible and the impression I have received from the powers that be like Arvada and the DA is I am responsible for my own safety (which I already knew but F*** me and the criminal rights bullshit)
So with everything, I am playing the game that i was taught in the military to be defensive and offensive if (hopefully not) I have to be. Its bullshit and why I finally posted this. Last night was first oik night of sleep in a week and it felt good yet didnt since I felt I would have slept through chaos if it erupted. I do have my dog with me 100% of the time right now and lets me know when people are near etc.

If you check out the news links of these F**** then you know they know some real scum people that have no value for human life.

If I am being over paranoid, well so be it and Id rather be prepared to evade etc, then Id rather be paranoid and alive then dead and no brain activity.

DD977GM2

06-13-2014, 15:48

This just was emailed and sent via text to my phone

6/13/2014

This e-mail is to inform you that JODIE HOWARD has been transferred from the Denver County Sheriff's Office to another facility. The transfer took place on 6/13/2014. As a result, you will no longer receive notifications concerning this offender under your current registration with VINE.

For more information, contact the former holding facility. The telephone number is (720)337-0174 (tel:%28720%29337-0174).

This notification is sponsored by the Colorado VINE Service. It is our hope that this information has been helpful to you.

Thank you,

The VINE Service

cfortune

06-13-2014, 16:36

Good luck Gabe.

BPTactical

06-13-2014, 17:02

We all have your back if you need it Gabe.

Hound

06-13-2014, 18:23

You have to take care of you and yours!!

clublights

06-13-2014, 18:47

This just was emailed and sent via text to my phone

What county did the crime happen?

( i dunno where od green supply is)

If not in Denver county they likely transferred to that county

Looks like Jeff CO to me ...

likely they will pop back up in the VINE system in a day or so after JeffCO processes paperwork .

DD977GM2

06-13-2014, 20:33

What county did the crime happen?

( i dunno where od green supply is)

If not in Denver county they likely transferred to that county

Looks like Jeff CO to me ...

likely they will pop back up in the VINE system in a day or so after JeffCO processes paperwork .

This is my thinking also. They have crap everywhere based on what I have learned and told by the Investigating Det.

Anyone have a G20 mag I can borrow until next Friday? Be nice to have a backup haha.