Denver Post Anti-Gun Opinion Piece by Former LEO

[Rucker61]

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_26004727/background-checks-gun-buyers-save-lives

He sounds just like John Morse.

[KS63]

Is this "Dave Hoover" legit? Sounds like every anti-gun rant I've heard.

[merl]

*growl* The magazine did not kill your nephew, the asshole behind the trigger did.
So BG checks save lives yet the asshole in Aurora passed one. Please explain.

What we have here a fudd that thinks the 2A is about hunting.

Is he making this up? Have not heard this before:

In states where background checks on all gun sales are in place, there are 39 percent fewer officers killed by individuals armed with handguns, compared to those states that allow some gun sales to go unchecked.
(big fat Citation Needed)

[buffalobo]

Dave Hoover is the Tom Mauser of the Lakewood Police dept.

lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

[Rucker61]

*growl* The magazine did not kill your nephew, the asshole behind the trigger did.
So BG checks save lives yet the asshole in Aurora passed one. Please explain.

What we have here a fudd that thinks the 2A is about hunting.

Is he making this up? Have not heard this before:

(big fat Citation Needed)

Citation, hell. We need to know how many of the guns used in fatal police shootings were purchased by a felon from a lawful private seller without a BGC. Purchases where a felon passed the BGC, bought his gun from through a straw purchase, bought it illegally on the street or stole it don't count. Then we could look to establish causality. Given that only 50-70 cops are killed in year in the line of duty, there may not (thankfully) be a big enough sample size for good statistical analysis, anyway.

[Ronin13]

And for those who question the law to limit high-capacity magazines to 15 rounds, do we really want to put 100-round magazines back on the streets of Colorado?
Back? Uh they're already there, and banning them won't do anything. That's been proven by instructors and other shooters who show how fast one can reload.

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[ZERO THEORY]

I literally couldn't make it past the first paragraph. As soon as I saw "common sense" I just couldn't go on. I'm not in the mood this morning, so I'll have to try again later and get back to you.

[hatidua]

It would seem like the anti-gun movement is going with the "if we say it often enough, people will soon take it as gospel" approach.

I'm curious what Bloomberg promised Hickenlooper in return for passing these bills and I am then curious what Hick promised the author of this opinion piece for writing it (so conveniently timed to run right when things were blowing up in hicks face).

[funkymonkey1111]

so, as a "police officer, hunter, and Republican," he proves that each one of those labels is irrelevant to determining if you're pro-freedom or not.

[Great-Kazoo]

IF i was a FB / discus member i would respond

Officer Hoover, I'm curious how your arrest - conviction rate was while you were in uniform. Based upon you many uses of careful police observation, investigating, regarding background checks and how they save lives. can you explain why not a single BG check prevented the Aurora shooting. Or the other shootings since then?

Your failure to comprehend that a person bent on violence does so without care, or remorse. Nor does a criminal follow the law. How with 20 years of LE background can you honestly submit such false statements as you did?

Being sympathetic to a loved one loosing their life to violence, i'm perplexed how you blame LACK OF TOUGHER GUN LAWS for said loss. My family suffered a loved ones loss, to violence. Having that in common. it's where we also part ways.

You blame the gun. Our family, they understand a CRIMINAL was the cause of bloodshed. The gun didn't set in motion the bloodshed, the person behind it did.

Enjoy your retirement package and future employment as spokesperson for that $50 million dollar Grass Roots group. Every Clown for gun Safety.

[buffalobo]

Well said.^^^^^

lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

[3beansalad]

It would seem like the anti-gun movement is going with the "if we say it often enough, people will soon take it as gospel" approach.

If you tell a lie often enough, and with enough feeling, it becomes 'truth.'

[Great-Kazoo]

so, as a "police officer, hunter, and Republican," he proves that each one of those labels is irrelevant to determining if you're pro-freedom or not.

Those words when used are the first signs the writer has an agenda. Not the same one he proposes to be from.
Very rarely do you see a true anti-gun person start off with. AS a dyed in the wool progressive, with an agenda...........
It reminds me of woodstock when Max Yasgur comes out and says
I'm a farmer. Max no one cares, or is in the correct frame of mind to pay attention.

[spqrzilla]

I have seen these bizarre, statistically insignificant claims of less X kinds of homicides, often of kinds not actually tracked in FBI statistics. I don't know who is fabricating them but Bloomberg's astroturf already caught lying.

[Bailey Guns]

Dave Hoover is an anti-gun tool and useful idiot for the gun-control crowd. His editorial is factually flawed and emotionally charged. It's perfect ammunition for the anti-gun morons to drool over and laughable nonsense for those who understand the issue and why the magazine limiting law is ineffective and unenforceable.

[Ah Pook]

Opinion/Editorial

I have an opinion and it smells better than his.

[Aardvark]

I wonder if Denver comPost had to hunt down a lefty loon former LEO for the article. I don't expect anything less from that toilet paper of a liberal rag. Hell, National Enquirer gets more of my respect than the comPost.

[DavieD55]

Just keep talking Dave.

[theGinsue]

I think we all need to cut through the rhetoric (and profanity) and look at what really happened in Colorado.

Fantastic idea there Dave; let's take an HONEST non-emotion-biased look at what's happened here in Colorado. What's happened is that those who don't believe citizens can be trusted to possess firearms to protect themselves and their family or to exercise their God-given and Constitutionally protected Right to own and possess firearms - without infringement.

I'll begin this discussion by pointing out the fallacies of your argument.


The legislature passed — and the governor signed — a law to make sure that anyone who gets a gun from a non-family member goes through a simple background check. This is one of the most effective ways to keep guns out of the hands of convicted domestic violence offenders, severely mentally ill individuals, and other dangerous people.

Powerful statement there. Too bad there is absolutely NO evidence in existence to support such a claim. But it sure does get folks anti-gun juices flowing doesn't it?


Requiring all gun purchasers to undergo a background check is supported by an overwhelming majority of Coloradans, including gun owners and the Colorado Association of Chiefs of Police.

Really? As others in this thread have already asked, where is the citation to support this assertion?


Since taking effect, more than 80 prohibited purchasers were stopped from buying a gun because of this law alone.

80 "prohibited purchasers" were stopped from buying a gun, or 80 individuals were initially denied from making a legal gun purchase, some of whom later accomplished that purchase after winning on appeal?


And for those who question the law to limit high-capacity magazines to 15 rounds, do we really want to put 100-round magazines back on the streets of Colorado?

As someone already stated, exactly when did >15 round magazines ever leave "the streets" of Colorado? The ban hasn't removed the THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of >15 round magazines already in personal possession in Colorado before the ban went into effect.


High-capacity magazines aren't for hunting or self-defense; they are military-style equipment designed for the sole purpose of killing a lot of people in a short amount of time.

Firearms are NOT, in fact, designed to kill anyone, particularly not "a lot of people in a short period of time". Firearms are designed to do one thing, and that is to fire a projectile. PERIOD. How the firearm is used by the operator defines what the target actually is. If the target is another human being, that is the decision made by the firearm operator, not the firearm.


The Aurora shooter used a high-capacity magazine with 100 rounds to kill and injure more than 70 people in 90 seconds. When his gun jammed, people in that theater were able to escape and lives were spared.

Way to mislead there bro. By reading your comment one might actually believe that the Aurora theater shooter actually got a lot of use out of his 100 round magazine prior to it jamming. If fact, according to eyewitness reports, the AR with the 100 round magazine jammed almost immediately. Before anyone present could respond, the shooter was able to drop the AR and switch to another firearm with substantially less capacity - which is what he was said to have used to commit the bulk of his murders and assaults.

So yeah, let's cut through the rhetoric and tell it straight and honest.

[Sharpienads]

I literally couldn't make it past the first paragraph. As soon as I saw "common sense" I just couldn't go on. I'm not in the mood this morning, so I'll have to try again later and get back to you.

My thoughts as well. I got a little further than that, but not much.

[Great-Kazoo]

My thoughts as well. I got a little further than that, but not much.

That's sensible ;)

[Sharpienads]

That's sensible ;)

Would you say, "common sensible"?

[kidicarus13]

In case you see him on the streets of Lakewood, you can buy him a cup of coffee...

http://kdvr.com/2014/06/04/lakewood-police-try-new-approach-to-reducing-crime-in-some-neighborhoods/ (http://kdvr.com/2014/06/04/lakewood-police-try-new-approach-to-reducing-crime-in-some-neighborhoods/)

[Great-Kazoo]

In case you see him on the streets of Lakewood, you can buy him a cup of coffee...

http://kdvr.com/2014/06/04/lakewood-police-try-new-approach-to-reducing-crime-in-some-neighborhoods/ (http://kdvr.com/2014/06/04/lakewood-police-try-new-approach-to-reducing-crime-in-some-neighborhoods/)

Unfortunately you cannot. IA would be all over them .

Back when this used to be called walking the beat. The beat cops had their ear to the ground, knew every shop owner by name, who worked where, what times places were open. A complimentary dry cleaning of the officers uniform, perhaps a nice roast beef sandwich from the deli, all in good faith was observed.

The higher ups decided there was "graft and favors" shown by officers, IA investigations, tv exposes' it went away. If it became a permanent thing, you'd see a reduction in the small felony, misdemeanors we have now.

Unfortunately, revenue generated by ticket partols speaks, louder than interaction with the people we are sworn to serve & protect.

[Colorado_Outback]

Unfortunately you cannot. IA would be all over them .

Back when this used to be called walking the beat. The beat cops had their ear to the ground, knew every shop owner by name, who worked where, what times places were open. A complimentary dry cleaning of the officers uniform, perhaps a nice roast beef sandwich from the deli, all in good faith was observed.

The higher ups decided there was "graft and favors" shown by officers, IA investigations, tv exposes' it went away. If it became a permanent thing, you'd see a reduction in the small felony, misdemeanors we have now.

Unfortunately, revenue generated by ticket partols speaks, louder than interaction with the people we are sworn to serve & protect.

Good to know.

I think Ill make a donation to the NRA in his name and have the info sent to his desk at work.

[BPTactical]

Good to know.

I think Ill make a donation to the NRA in his name and have the info sent to his desk at work.

Nice touch.
How about a RMGO membership as well? Let his inbox get flooded with Dudley's drivel.

[Ranger353]

Nice touch.
How about a RMGO membership as well? Let his inbox get flooded with Dudley's drivel.
+1

[TFOGGER]

Nice touch.
How about a RMGO membership as well? Let his inbox get flooded with Dudley's drivel.

I'll pony up the $25 to make this happen...