View Full Version : What makes Troy sights better?
When shooters talk about rifle sights, it seems like most will end up recommending Troy sights as the best option in the market. In you opinion, what makes Troy sights more desirable than say Samson or Diamondback or any of the other aluminum sights available for the AR platform?
SouthPaw
06-24-2014, 10:17
Well I can't speak to Samson but Diamond head sights are junk. They are super flimsy and feel like they are made out of pot metal. I wouldn't even put them on an airsoft gun. My Troy sights are very solid , stout and lock up very tight. MBUS sights are also very good for an alternative.
MBUS sights are also very good for an alternative.
The plastic ones or the new MBUS Pro? I have a set of the plastic ones on an M&P 15/22 (which have served me well) but I wanted something a little beefier for my 5.56mm.
funkymonkey1111
06-24-2014, 10:31
Perhaps the affiliation with known citizen killers?
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-hiring-follies-of-troy-industries/
SouthPaw
06-24-2014, 10:32
The plastic ones or the new MBUS Pro? I have a set of the plastic ones on an M&P 15/22 (which have served me well) but I wanted something a little beefier for my 5.56mm.
Standard MBUS. The mbus pros imo, are very hard to use. The sight picture also sucks. I have a few rifles that have MBUS and they work wonderfully.
I used to run the Troys on all of my rifles. I've actually switched and started using the plastic Magpul ones. I like the fact that they are cheaper, pop up quick with the spring assist. Also, because they are plastic they actually have the ability to flex where other sights might break. I watched a guy demonstrate why he likes them by slamming his into the edge of his workbench. It was an impressive display of just how durable they actually are.
kidicarus13
06-24-2014, 12:39
Perhaps the affiliation with known citizen killers?
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-hiring-follies-of-troy-industries/
Thanks for the truth
The pros imo, are very hard to use. I have a few rifles that have MBUS pros and they work wonderfully.
Huh?
I've actually switched and started using the plastic Magpul ones.
Ray> Have you ever tried the MBUS sights on a piston driven AR? I have heard that the heat generated by the piston can melt the front sight. Any truth to this?
SouthPaw
06-24-2014, 13:01
Huh?
Trying to type too fast, post edited.
Ray> Have you ever tried the MBUS sights on a piston driven AR? I have heard that the heat generated by the piston can melt the front sight. Any truth to this?
Only for guys who do beta mag dumps...can't see you doing that, but you never know. I have the MP MBUS on two ARs, they work great.
DocMedic
06-24-2014, 14:53
Cy, your just not talking to enough people ;). I think you hear Troy more then others is because they did a big push in advertisement for the past couple years, also you can go to any Sports shop and get a set of Troy Sights. I have all types of BUIS, I don't fancy one over the other, I even have 1st and 2nd gen magpul's, And i'm able to hit a large target out to 200yards with them. It all depends on what you want to do with Iron sights, are you trying to win highpower? Troy wouldn't be even in my top 5. If you just want a BUIS or a sight you can hit Man sized targets at 200yards, then pretty much any American made BUIS will do.
kidicarus13
06-24-2014, 16:14
I was referring to the MBUS PROs https://store.magpul.com/product/MAG275/44
Just to clarify... the MBUS PRO's are "very hard to use" and "work wonderfully"?
Ray> Have you ever tried the MBUS sights on a piston driven AR? I have heard that the heat generated by the piston can melt the front sight. Any truth to this?
Sorry, no personal experience with them on a piston system.
I use and recommend troys because they are durable and dependable. I've used and broken MagPul, Matech, and YHM on deployments and when training. I have not broken Troys yet (I'm sure it's inevitable) but they have held to the a use thus far and hold zero.
Great-Kazoo
06-24-2014, 18:38
Ray> Have you ever tried the MBUS sights on a piston driven AR? I have heard that the heat generated by the piston can melt the front sight. Any truth to this?
I run a MP gen 2 on my AA SBR. The FS sits on the top rail of the hand guard.
I run a MP gen 2 on my AA SBR. The FS sits on the top rail of the hand guard.
If you mounted them to a railed gas block, I'm sure you could produce issues. Perhaps, and I mean perhaps, if you had an extended length handguard that was well vented, and put your MBUS right on top of the gas release on the block for the piston system, there might be enough heat generated with huge mag dumps, but I would still estimate this to be a long shot. If you mount on your handguard and it isn't directly over the block, I cannot fathom a way you might melt them.
I do have one troy, and I like it alot. The bioptic system they have for the rear sight works well for me. But I bought it because it was a decent rear sight, that I could absolute co-witness on my aimpoint at a reasonable price. No affinity toward it over some others.
nisils14
06-25-2014, 00:12
I've had flip ups and fixed sights. Both worked great for me but there's nothing special about them. I have the dioptic rear, and it's a bit quicker to aquire. They're quality sights, and I do like how fronts sights are a bit more traditional looking. Other ones look cheap and goofy but that's all subjective.
Perhaps the affiliation with known citizen killers?
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-hiring-follies-of-troy-industries/
Special apature allows you to take headshots on moms holding there babies from over 100 yards away
As Randy reached to unlatch the shed door, Horiuchi fired one shot, without warning, and hit Randy in the upper right arm. Randy exclaimed, "Mama, I been shot," and the three ran towards the cabin door. Vicki had heard the shot and Randy cry out for help, so she ran to the cabin door with baby Elisheba in her arms and held it open so that they could make their way inside for cover. As Kevin Harris made his way through the doorway, Horiuchi placed the cross hairs of his rifle's scope on the edge of the door and fired a second shot. The bullet penetrated the door window, passed through Vicki Weaver's head and struck Kevin Harris in the left arm and chest. The bullet had miraculously missed baby Elisheba. Vicki Weaver fell to her knees, still holding her baby, and cried out in agony for approximately 30 seconds before slumping to the floor and succumbing to her fatal injury. Kevin Harris and Randy Weaver lay on the floor moaning from the massive wounds they had suffered.
As the echoes from the shots subsided, Randy and Sarah noticed that Vicki was not moving. Randy turned Vicki over and then screamed out in horror as he realized she was dead. Her skull had literally exploded and her face was unrecognizable. Randy and Sarah dragged Vicki's body away from the doorway and everyone sobbed uncontrollably.
The psychological warfare became even worse the following day. "Good morning Mrs. Weaver," Fred Lanceley, an FBI negotiator, called out. "We had pancakes this morning. And what did you have for breakfast? Why don't you send your children out for some pancakes, Mrs. Weaver?" Following the statements made by the negotiator, the whole family began sobbing loudly. The phone, which had been placed outside the cabin door, rang continuously every 15 minutes as the negotiator continued yelling through the bull horn, at times stating that if they failed to come out, they were all going to die
I would run no sites before I used troys
SouthPaw
06-25-2014, 09:27
Just to clarify... the MBUS PRO's are "very hard to use" and "work wonderfully"?
I guess I was having a told brain fart when I typed that [facepalm]. Post fixed. Now carry on and leave me alone! [Coffee]
Troy sights are a known good. You can buy it and be confident you are getting a well machined sight that will hold zero. And if you happen to have problems there's a good company standing behind it. Are they better than all the other sights made by other quality manufacturers? I don't think so. I personally like the plastic mbus sights since they are well made, easy to deploy and relatively cheap. I find having lots of money tied up in iron sights I never use unless I intentionally practice with them is a waste of money.
Just stay away from crappy sights from unknown manufacturers. With mbus sights as cheap as they are, there's really no reason to gamble with crap to save a few dollars.
As Randy reached to unlatch the shed door, Horiuchi fired one shot, without warning, and hit Randy in the upper right arm. Randy exclaimed, "Mama, I been shot," and the three ran towards the cabin door. Vicki had heard the shot and Randy cry out for help, so she ran to the cabin door with baby Elisheba in her arms and held it open so that they could make their way inside for cover. As Kevin Harris made his way through the doorway, Horiuchi placed the cross hairs of his rifle's scope on the edge of the door and fired a second shot. The bullet penetrated the door window, passed through Vicki Weaver's head and struck Kevin Harris in the left arm and chest. The bullet had miraculously missed baby Elisheba. Vicki Weaver fell to her knees, still holding her baby, and cried out in agony for approximately 30 seconds before slumping to the floor and succumbing to her fatal injury. Kevin Harris and Randy Weaver lay on the floor moaning from the massive wounds they had suffered.
As the echoes from the shots subsided, Randy and Sarah noticed that Vicki was not moving. Randy turned Vicki over and then screamed out in horror as he realized she was dead. Her skull had literally exploded and her face was unrecognizable. Randy and Sarah dragged Vicki's body away from the doorway and everyone sobbed uncontrollably.
The psychological warfare became even worse the following day. "Good morning Mrs. Weaver," Fred Lanceley, an FBI negotiator, called out. "We had pancakes this morning. And what did you have for breakfast? Why don't you send your children out for some pancakes, Mrs. Weaver?" Following the statements made by the negotiator, the whole family began sobbing loudly. The phone, which had been placed outside the cabin door, rang continuously every 15 minutes as the negotiator continued yelling through the bull horn, at times stating that if they failed to come out, they were all going to die
I would run no sites before I used troys
+1
two shoes
06-25-2014, 11:50
The sentiment I am feeling after reading the link is "Fuck Troy and any asshole choosing to use them" SERIOUSLY... WTF???
vectorsc
06-25-2014, 13:29
Well, maybe Troy wanted people to understand who their target audience is when they say "Asymmetric" training. Asymmetric as in snipers from the Fedgov shooting an unarmed woman in the face.
Troy does state that their training is for .Gov and corporate risk assets only. Maybe they have exactly the instructor they want.
Fuck troy. Keep the word out there.
As for BUIS, I use KAC micro's. Spendy but they work good.
The sentiment I am feeling after reading the link is "Fuck Troy and any asshole choosing to use them" SERIOUSLY... WTF???
That sums it up for me
I'll add something positive
I like the Daniel Defense buis
I currently run a Matac rear and fixed front
Well, maybe Troy wanted people to understand who their target audience is when they say "Asymmetric" training. Asymmetric as in snipers from the Fedgov shooting an unarmed woman in the face.
Troy does state that their training is for .Gov and corporate risk assets only. Maybe they have exactly the instructor they want.
Fuck troy. Keep the word out there.
As for BUIS, I use KAC micro's. Spendy but they work good.
Please find me a company that has done EVERYTHING right??? I'm willing to bet that you have products somewhere in your home from a company that you disagree with or has/had an employee that did something you do agree with.
two shoes
06-25-2014, 14:43
Please find me a company that has done EVERYTHING right??? I'm willing to bet that you have products somewhere in your home from a company that you disagree with or has/had an employee that did something you do agree with.
Disagree with, I am sure there are many of them... Hiring first degree murders? Not so much...
vectorsc
06-25-2014, 20:30
This is like an oven company hiring former concentration camp guards.
They make a product that is used for the purposes that the person in question is reviled for, and hired this person to provide training and mentoring to other people who will then be using said product in a similar role.
Ambiguity in this issue is back there somewhere. Until someone can prove that the weaver incident was justifiable on the part of our government, I still stand by my personal interpretation of it.
Monroe owns a piece of it...and decided to keep owning it as hard as he could...and Troy decided to own a piece and stick with it too.
Great-Kazoo
06-25-2014, 21:41
This is like an oven company hiring former concentration camp guards.
They make a product that is used for the purposes that the person in question is reviled for, and hired this person to provide training and mentoring to other people who will then be using said product in a similar role.
Ambiguity in this issue is back there somewhere. Until someone can prove that the weaver incident was justifiable on the part of our government, I still stand by my personal interpretation of it.
Monroe owns a piece of it...and decided to keep owning it as hard as he could...and Troy decided to own a piece and stick with it too.
UMM not to go too far OT. Where do you think a lot of medical and aeronautical advances came from in the late 40's - early 50's?
Those H&K's, Springfield XD's , Walther's, K98 mausers, Every firearm mfg, as well as accessories, since the beginning of time, have some dirt on their hand. Be it during war, peace, or even a local hostage standoff.
Does it make it right, of course not. It's easier to stand for your principles than bow before another. YMMV
HoneyBadger
07-29-2014, 08:44
I use MBUS sets on all my ARs. They are cheap, reliable, repeatable, durable, and lightweight. They meet all my requirements.
Since this thread has been up for awhile (June), I noticed this was not posted in here;
KIT UP! Back Up Iron Sight Drop Test (http://kitup.military.com/2012/07/back-up-iron-sight-drop-test.html)
Why I just stuck with MAGPUL MBUS.................
http://images-kitup.military.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/BUISdroptest1.jpg
One of the uppers I bought came with a Magpul plastic rear sight. I figured I'd replace it eventually but if turned out to be a great sight. When I eventually removed the A2 front sight and put a rifle length hand guard on I decided to give the Magpul front sight a shot as well. Easy adjustments and accurate but the lever flexes so it doesn't always deploy. Sometimes I need to wrap my thumb all the way to the top/center of the lever to deploy the sight. Happens when the rifle is hot and cold. I'll replace it eventually with a metal one. I don't care an awful lot about the auto flip open so I'm in no real hurry to spend money to replace it. And to be fair, the Noveske NSR has a pretty small diameter and can get hot with even slow steady fire. Maybe my son or I cooked it at some point and ruined its hardness.
Fully disengaged on one side. (sight should be up)
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/131f10b79ece706182e911bf9a290cd9.jpg
Still engaged on the other side.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/12/d7c5f4d183cc70cdbe8c50a1e3d7b854.jpg
SideShow Bob
01-12-2015, 20:42
Bring this problem to the attention of MagPul, with the pictures. They may replace it.
Another thing, did you get duped into getting the PTS version of the MagPul MBUS ?
Aloha_Shooter
01-12-2015, 20:51
Looks to me like the Magpul sight is out of alignment but I disagree with the statement "sight should be up". One of the locking lugs is still engaged so the sight should be down. It looks to me like it's functioning as designed. Using two locking lugs helps prevent accidental activation. Press down on both sides instead of just one and you should disengage both locking lugs, thereby popping the sight up.
Looks to me like the Magpul sight is out of alignment but I disagree with the statement "sight should be up". One of the locking lugs is still engaged so the sight should be down. It looks to me like it's functioning as designed. Using two locking lugs helps prevent accidental activation. Press down on both sides instead of just one and you should disengage both locking lugs, thereby popping the sight up.
It is an authentic MOE front sight sold to me by a reputable armorer in Englewood CO (Bowers Tactical). It's installed and aligned correctly. The sight is designed to be deployed with either half of the lever with little or no movement of your support hand. I don't mind using both sides of the lever but that's not how it was designed to be used. Was told Magpul would replace it and that mine wasn't the first to do this but it I don't care enough to go through the hassle of sending it to them.
Just posted the info in case anyone else was interested. I've got nothing against the sight or Magpul. Every company ships a turd every so often.
Another +1 for the MBUS (original)
TheBelly
01-13-2015, 00:57
Perhaps the affiliation with known citizen killers?
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-hiring-follies-of-troy-industries/
and because this can't be quoted or disseminated widely enough... ever...
Aloha_Shooter
01-13-2015, 15:56
It is an authentic MOE front sight sold to me by a reputable armorer in Englewood CO (Bowers Tactical). It's installed and aligned correctly. The sight is designed to be deployed with either half of the lever with little or no movement of your support hand. I don't mind using both sides of the lever but that's not how it was designed to be used. Was told Magpul would replace it and that mine wasn't the first to do this but it I don't care enough to go through the hassle of sending it to them.
Just posted the info in case anyone else was interested. I've got nothing against the sight or Magpul. Every company ships a turd every so often.
Yes, I know it's supposed to release with either lever, I was just saying it looks like there's an alignment problem which would only release the one lug and that pressing both sides would result in the desired action. The alignment problem could have been the one-in-a-million manufacturing bug or it could have been knocked around somehow -- and it may not be alignment but that was what came to mind on seeing your pictures.
In any event, I think the OP was based on a false premise. Most of us are pretty much saying the same thing: use the equipment you are comfortable with and can afford.
thvigil11
01-13-2015, 15:58
and because this can't be quoted or disseminated widely enough... ever...
+1
tim-adams
01-14-2015, 21:47
I am looking at a fixed post on the front for co-witness and a fold down rear so I can put on a scope and not have issues
I've always had good luck with Yankee Hill sights, very robust, never had an issue.
As far as Troy sights, have no experience, but appear to have a nice selection.
Troy Industries made the same mistake HS Precision made when they hired Lon Horiuchi as a spokesman in 2008.
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