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Anyone have any experience with the AK PMAG?
Going out of town soon and was looking at picking a few up.
SuperiorDG
06-24-2014, 14:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA
No one living in Colorado can legally own these being that they came out after July 1. I don't think you will get too many, "I have some and they work great."
Considering they did not get made/released until after the ban.... Better be 15 or less ;)
Great-Kazoo
06-24-2014, 14:33
For the money the Tapco AK mag is a better performer. Outside of owning the Magpul name in your collection, save your money.
Chad0724
06-24-2014, 14:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA
No one living in Colorado can legally own these being that they came out after July 1. I don't think you will get too many, "I have some and they work great."
you can own them in Colorado.. you just cant buy them here. there are no laws against buying in another state and bringing them here or if you owned one before the ban
SuperiorDG
06-24-2014, 15:09
you can own them in Colorado.. you just cant buy them here. there are no laws against buying in another state and bringing them here or if you owned one before the ban
Sorry, they were not even on the market on or before July 1st therefore illegal to own for us here in Colorado. I guess if you got one somehow before this date you are GTG.
you can own them in Colorado.. you just cant buy them here. there are no laws against buying in another state and bringing them here or if you owned one before the ban
Since Superior beat me to it, I'll keep it short. There are several existing threads with piles of discussion on this topic already. You may want to search some of them out, and see some of the various statements made in those. Some informed, some, not so much.
One Example: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/116901-Can-we-sell-20rd-mags-to-someone-out-of-state?
And from the bill/law (bolded by me):
18-12-302. Large-capacity magazines prohibited - penalties -
exceptions. (1) (a) EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION, ON
AND AFTER JULY 1,2013, A PERSON WHO SELLS, TRANSFERS, OR POSSESSES
A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE COMMITS A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANOR.
(b) ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION
AFTER HAVING BEEN CONVICTED OF A PRIOR VIOLATION OF SAID SUBSECTION
(1) COMMITS A CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR.
(c) ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES SUBSECTION (1) OF THIS SECTION
COMMITS A CLASS 6 FELONY IF THE PERSON POSSESSED A LARGE-CAPACITY
MAGAZINE DURING THE COMMISSION OF A FELONY OR ANY CRIME OF
VIOLENCE, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 18-1.3-406.
...
(2) (a) A PERSON MAY POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE IF HE
OR SHE:
(I) OWNS THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE
OF THIS SECTION; AND
(II) MAINTAINS CONTINUOUS POSSESSION OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
MAGAZINE
Link to Law (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/7E6713B015E62E6F87257B0100813CB5?open&file=1224_enr.pdf)
So...if you didn't own/possess it on July 1, 2013, and have it now, technically you are in violation of said law.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer or legislator, so this is just my personal interpretation of this pile of stink, that is currently in effect.
you can own them in Colorado.. you just cant buy them here. there are no laws against buying in another state and bringing them here or if you owned one before the ban
Part one is false. You cannot legally buy them elsewhere and bring them here legally.
If you owned them before July 1,2013 that is legal. But these didn't come out until August or September of 2013, so there is no legal way to own one privately in Colorado unless you are LEO or own a business that sells them out of state or to LEO.
ChunkyMonkey
06-24-2014, 15:23
It feels just like tapco.
kidicarus13
06-24-2014, 16:11
If you owned them before June 1,2013 that is legal.
I thought it was July 1st
Legal issues of owning them aside, as far as the magazine itself it is typical Magpul quality. The ones I had the chance to use at my buddies place in Wyoming functioned perfectly. They were a bit difficult to insert into the rifle when fully loaded on a closed bolt but that was the only thing I could complain about. Rounds loaded into them easily and the followers didnt tilt or anything when you pushed on them with your fingers.
I picked up 2 of them because they were pretty cheap ($15 each) and just shot them this past weekend. They worked great in my N-PAP. As previously stated they seem to work just as well as TAPCO mags. FWIW, I actually prefer old school metal mags overall though.
*DISCLAIMER* I got these mags in Las Vegas, NV and used them here in San Antonio, TX where I now live so they were never in Colorado.
I thought it was July 1st
Indeed. Brain fart. Will correct my post.
I'm not concerned with the laws so to speak (LEO)... I'm wanting to know about functionality etc...
68Charger
06-24-2014, 17:54
IBTL
hghclsswhitetrsh
06-24-2014, 18:24
I'm not concerned with the laws so to speak (LEO)... I'm wanting to know about functionality etc...
I wish I was special. I mean my mom always told me I was, but never 30 round mag special.
I'm not concerned with the laws so to speak (LEO)...
*sigh*
Great-Kazoo
06-24-2014, 19:34
*sigh*
Looks like that's my cue to wander back to the L&P forum, Oligarchs Organize!
Chad0724
06-24-2014, 19:41
Part one is false. You cannot legally buy them elsewhere and bring them here legally.
If you owned them before July 1,2013 that is legal. But these didn't come out until August or September of 2013, so there is no legal way to own one privately in Colorado unless you are LEO or own a business that sells them out of state or to LEO.
not trying to argue but you are not correct. There is no law about buying one in another state and bringing it home UNLESS it was made after july 1 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Colorado
Great-Kazoo
06-24-2014, 19:52
not trying to argue but you are not correct. there is no law about buying one in another state and bringing it home UNLESS it was made after july 1 2013.
http://watchdog.org/85897/wyoming-gun-shows-provide-major-loophole-for-colorado-gun-buyers/
The ak mag wasn't offered till end of june, beginning of july. . Which pissed a lot of coloradoans off. NOW, if their mold mark was set 6/14 then perhaps you might squeak by.
Chad0724
06-24-2014, 20:00
The ak mag wasn't offered till end of june, beginning of july. . Which pissed a lot of coloradoans off. NOW, if their mold mark was set 6/14 then perhaps you might squeak by.
my apologies, I didn't know they didn't make then until post ban. The OP is LEO so he can buy them anyway..
Great-Kazoo
06-24-2014, 20:03
my apologies, I didn't know they didn't make then until post ban. The OP is LEO so he can buy them anyway..
Yes he can, however the flippant I'M LE may have rubbed some the wrong way. Now IIRC, use of LE exemption to purchase, is for duty issued weapons. I could be wrong, SURPRISE!
not trying to argue but you are not correct. There is no law about buying one in another state and bringing it home UNLESS it was made after july 1 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Colorado
Kind of correct. It is only legal to buy in another state and bring home to Colorado if it was made before July 1, 2013, AND You purchased it before July 1, 2013, AND you have maintained continuous possession since July 1, 2013. Otherwise, if you do not meet ALL three of these requirements, it is NOT legal.
Don't trust wikipedia. If you really don't believe me, just Google: Colorado HB 13-1224 and read the actual law.
But, Yes, LEO can purchase. And Mr Kazoo... it specifically DOES allow LEO to own them carte blanche.
A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER EMPLOYED BY ANY
DEPARTMENT, AGENCY, OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF
COLORADO, ANY OTHER STATE, OR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT,
INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF A
CAMPUS OF AN INSTITUTION OF HIGHER EDUCATION, FOR USE WHILE THE
OFFICER IS ON DUTY OR OFF DUTY.
Chad0724
06-24-2014, 20:17
Yes he can, however the flippant I'M LE may have rubbed some the wrong way. Now IIRC, use of LE exemption to purchase, is for duty issued weapons. I could be wrong, SURPRISE!
Well its good to see a pro 2A Colorado LEO
Well its good to see a pro 2A Colorado LEO
I agree, and I believe there are many of them.
While it stings a bit to infer the "nanana booboo" I can have the mags and you can't, I do NOT think that was the intent here. Judging on the OPs post history I think he is a good supporter of the 2A.
What I fully believe, and sincerely hope, he meant was "It legally doesn't affect me, but it morally matters to me" rather than the literal "I'm not concerned with the laws so to speak (LEO)"
Hell, if I could still get the banned mags through some provision in the law, I would be happy to do so, and would do so. But it wouldn't change the fact that I opposed the laws for the general public in the state.
I didn't mean or want to stir the pot. All I wanted to know was experiences others have had with the AK PMAG.
For those of you who have contributed I appreciate it.
I'm very pro A and don't use the badge in a negative way. If I offended you sorry...
hghclsswhitetrsh
06-24-2014, 21:27
I'm sorry I meant no disrespect.
Chad0724
06-24-2014, 22:30
I didn't mean or want to stir the pot. All I wanted to know was experiences others have had with the AK PMAG.
For those of you who have contributed I appreciate it.
I'm very pro A and don't use the badge in a negative way. If I offended you sorry...
It's all good:) but now since you announced you are a LEO you have to take us out shooting and share some of that training ;)
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mackbamf
06-24-2014, 22:35
I'm not concerned with the laws so to speak (LEO)... I'm wanting to know about functionality etc...
Not sure how this would come across as flippant. The guy is asking a simple question and stating a simple fact that he's LEO so different rules apply. No cause to bunch anyone's panties...
I didn't read all the thread, but magpul is coming out with another mag with a metal notch. I have see on some torture test that the plastic one broke.
68Charger
06-25-2014, 08:59
I didn't read all the thread, but magpul is coming out with another mag with a metal notch. I have see on some torture test that the plastic one broke.
and they will always wear when made of plastic- hence the previous comments by some they were about the same as Tapco... having never handled them, I can't comment other than from an engineering perspective that a metal mag catch notch is much more durable- any notch made of plastic will eventually fail.
Personally, I stick with surplus metal mags- but they are heavy enough to be considered a weapon by themselves.
And I don't think anyone's angst over the OP's comment about being LEO is really towards him, just that everybody here is still pissed at the Legislature and Hickenlooper for taking away that right for "common citizens" like ourselves. It's more polite to not remind everyone how 'our' politicians feel about us.
Great-Kazoo
06-25-2014, 09:13
and they will always wear when made of plastic- hence the previous comments by some they were about the same as Tapco... having never handled them, I can't comment other than from an engineering perspective that a metal mag catch notch is much more durable- any notch made of plastic will eventually fail.
Personally, I stick with surplus metal mags- but they are heavy enough to be considered a weapon by themselves.
And I don't think anyone's angst over the OP's comment about being LEO is really towards him, just that everybody here is still pissed at the Legislature and Hickenlooper for taking away that right for "common citizens" like ourselves. It's more polite to not remind everyone how 'our' politicians feel about us.
We have a winner. My brother would pull the LE shit when driving, 80+ in NY on 45-55mph roadways, change lanes with no signal, rah rah blah blah. I told him IF i abused the system like you do, I'd be in Jail. He was a good guy but hated obeying the speed limit, we blame our mother ;)
I haven't used them... but if i had i would tell you that they functioned fantastic and i would probably love them...forever....alot... all theoretical of course...
I fired 200-300rds through one last week in Texas. Wobbled a little in my SGL magwell similar to a Tapco but it functioned perfectly (like a Tapco). I still prefer steel mags.
BPTactical
12-10-2014, 20:37
I have had Arsenal plastic mags fail, and many say they are the creme de La creme.
not trying to argue but you are not correct. There is no law about buying one in another state and bringing it home UNLESS it was made after july 1 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Colorado
Except that this makes it illegal.. You must own/posses the mag before the effective date..
A PERSON MAY POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE IF HE
OR SHE:
(I) OWNS THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE
OF THIS SECTION; AND
(II) MAINTAINS CONTINUOUS POSSESSION OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
MAGAZINE
I ran a few thousand rounds through the MagPul AK mags this last week during a DoS course. They were run in cheap CAI AKs. No failures of any kind with them from anyone. Yes, the tolerances are a bit tight with the pmags which made reloads a bit challenging however after running them for a day it became easy. Switching to metal mags afterwards was even easier as I was used to the pmags and having to really put my knuckles on the hand guard during reloads. Since getting used to them is quick and they are much lighter than steel mags, yet heavy enough to drop free, I say they are worth it. I don't shoot any tapco junk so I can't compare it to those.
Great-Kazoo
12-11-2014, 09:28
I ran a few thousand rounds through the MagPul AK mags this last week during a DoS course. They were run in cheap CAI AKs. No failures of any kind with them from anyone. Yes, the tolerances are a bit tight with the pmags which made reloads a bit challenging however after running them for a day it became easy. Switching to metal mags afterwards was even easier as I was used to the pmags and having to really put my knuckles on the hand guard during reloads. Since getting used to them is quick and they are much lighter than steel mags, yet heavy enough to drop free, I say they are worth it. I don't shoot any tapco junk so I can't compare it to those.
Too bad, for the price point i'd go with tapco (as i have) over MP If i buy polymer. I like the MP products, but not a fanboi. Would i add 1 to the collection just to own it sure. But i'd not go out of my way for one.
Big John
12-15-2014, 06:20
I have used tapco, mp, and steel. While steel would be the obvious go to for a SHTF situation... All work fine for me.
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