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james_bond_007
07-06-2014, 23:08
Ref: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-military-member-concealed-carry-shoots-attacker-20140706,0,5324984.story
Source : Chicago Tribune
Date: 06JUL14

Authorities: Military member with concealed carry permit shoots attacker

"...A Gresham [Chicago] man is charged with attempted murder after he fired on a group of people leaving a party Friday night, only to be shot himself by one of the victims, a military service member with a concealed carry permit, authorities said Sunday...."


Had this occurred more than a year ago when Illinois did not issue CCWs, the man would not have been able to defend himself.

Full Chicago Tribune Article (by request)


A Gresham man fired on a group of people leaving a party, only to be shot himself by one of the victims, a military service member with a concealed carry permit, authorities said.
The military member and three others were leaving a party Friday night in the 11700 block of South Union Avenue in West Pullman, Assistant State’s Attorney Mary Hain said during a court hearing Sunday.

One of the victims had noticed a cup of liquor on top of her vehicle and asked attendees of a party next door who it belonged to, Hain said.
When she removed it, Denzel A. Mickiel approached her, shouting obscenities and threatening her and her friends, according to Hain and court records.
Mickiel, 22, went into the residence, returned with a gun and began firing at the group, she said.
As Mickiel fired at the victims’ vehicle, the military member retrieved his gun and took cover near the vehicle’s front fender, according to Hain. Two unidentified people also shot at the group, she said.

The military service member fired two shots and struck Mickiel twice, she said.
A 22-year-old woman in the group was injured by Mickiel in the shooting, suffering wounds to the arm and back, according to court records and Hain.
The four victims escaped the melee in two vehicles as two unidentified people continued to shoot at them, Hain said.
Mickiel was identified as the gunman by witnesses, she said.

The injured woman was stabilized and taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center, police said.
Mickiel, of the 7600 block of South Honore Street, was transported to Advocate Christ in critical condition, according to police.
He remained hospitalized Sunday and did not appear in court but was ordered held on $950,000 bail. He is charged with attempted murder.

Hound
07-06-2014, 23:55
Glad to hear these stories anywhere, but really happy it was in Chicago. In these kind of debates with non gun owners I have been using this argument to great effect. Where is it that the authorities have the greatest control and thus should be the safest place to be. I usually get a blank look. I then lead the conversation..... They don't allow guns or knives, the cops watch you 24/7, there is no privacy, they control everything possible, strip searches are common...... At this point they get it: Prison. Then the simple question, so in the most draconian locked down situation possible, why do they still have drug issues and people killed on a regular basis. Because taking away all forms of self defense only allows those with ill intent to make the rest victims. Bad guys don't follow the rules by definition. This guy/story shows what can happen when the would be victim is able to defend themselves. Love it.

Great-Kazoo
07-07-2014, 00:58
See the other news from chitown 7 Dead, 50 wounded. Over the hellodaze weekend.

Eggysrun
07-07-2014, 01:20
Honestly it seems like doing patrols in baghdad manning a .50 cal in a humvee seems safer than chicago.

Great-Kazoo
07-07-2014, 01:23
Honestly it seems like doing patrols in baghdad manning a .50 cal in a humvee seems safer than chicago.

Only difference is less burkas, and no prayer from the mosque blaring across the city.............yet.

stodg73
07-07-2014, 06:50
http://news.yahoo.com/veteran-concealed-carry-permit-shoots-back-chicago-gunman-031804649.html

wctriumph
07-07-2014, 07:05
Here you go, text of the article:

One of the spate of shootings that took place in Chicago, Ill. over the July 4th holiday weekend involved a veteran with a concealed carry permit who was forced to a shoot a man who began firing on him and a group of friends.
The incident occurred Friday night, the Chicago Tribune reports (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-military-member-concealed-carry-shoots-attacker-20140706,0,5324984.story).
The veteran and three of his friends were leaving a party on the city’s south side. When the group reached their vehicle, a container with liquor was sitting on top of it. A woman from the group asked another group gathered next door who the liquor belonged to and removed it.
The move angered 22 year-old Denzel Mickiel, who approached the veteran and his friends shouting obscenities. The man then went into his residence and returned with a gun.
As Mickiel opened fire on the group, the veteran took cover near the vehicle’s front fender, according to assistant state attorney Mary Hain, the Chicago Tribune reports.
The veteran fired two shots, hitting Mickiel both times.
Two of Mickiel’s friends also began shooting at the group, which was able to flee the scene in their vehicle.
Mickiel was transported to the hospital and is in critical condition. A woman in the veteran’s group was hit twice – once in the arm and once in the back – but was stabilized and taken to the hospital.
Mickiel is charged with attempted murder and will be held on $950,000 bond.
Had Friday’s shooting occurred a little more than a year ago, the veteran would not have been legally permitted to conceal carry his firearm.
Illinois was the last U.S. state to allow citizens to carry concealed weapons with a permit, finally passing a law on July 9, 2013. The state began issuing conceal carry permits in February.
Seven people died and approximately 50 were injured (http://abcnews.go.com/US/violence-mars-chicago-holiday-weekend-50-reportedly-injured/story?id=24446308) in shootings that took place in Chicago over the weekend. The city has among the highest violent crime rates among major U.S. cities.

One for the good guys!

Dave
07-07-2014, 09:09
I'm a little surprised Rahm Emanuel isn't pushing for charges on the vet.

theGinsue
07-07-2014, 09:12
Threads merged.

hatidua
07-07-2014, 10:20
I'm a little surprised Rahm Emanuel isn't pushing for charges on the vet.

Patience, ...patience.

james_bond_007
07-07-2014, 11:01
See the other news from chitown 7 Dead, 50 wounded. Over the hellodaze weekend.

The sad part is the article I read said
"Despite the uptick in violence this weekend, Chicago police say recent statistics show the number of shootings and homicides are down overall for the year."

...and no doubt the weapons used were all stolen or illegally obtained (Except those used by the police, of course)

What "law" is going to strip these illegal weapons from their (most likely) illegal possessors?
[Sarcasm2]

Ref: http://abc7chicago.com/news/7-dead-at-least-50-wounded-in-weekend-shootings/160600/

Note: The article refers to the South Side or Far South Side. This has been a "tough" area as far back as I can remember (60's/70's).

hatidua
07-07-2014, 11:40
Just saw this via online news: "Chicago mayor calls for tougher gun laws after weekend shootings"

colorider
07-07-2014, 13:42
Just saw this via online news: "Chicago mayor calls for tougher gun laws after weekend shootings"

Read the article. The headline they put up is complete bullshit propaganda. Should read " stricter laws for gun violations " He says one of the criminals has something like 21 priors.

rbeau30
07-07-2014, 13:52
Read the article. The headline they put up is complete bullshit propaganda. Should read " stricter laws for gun violations " He says one of the criminals has something like 21 priors.

Perfect example of real criminals don't care about tacking on another misdemeanor onto the rap sheet. All they care about is that the majority of the populace is unarmed so they can get away with the crimes they are perping.

colorider
07-07-2014, 17:22
This CNN report will really piss you off. The Chicago dickweed is crying for stricter gun laws but fully admits the problem is that criminals are being let out of jail too easy. A d that gun violations have no serious penalty in Chicago. Wrong type of gun laws you fucking idiot. Jumping on the bandwagon and has no clue what he's jabbering about.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/07/justice/chicago-shootings/index.html?c=homepage-t

cstone
07-07-2014, 17:41
Priests call for more prayer, lawyers call for more laws. Most politicians are lawyers. People go with what they know regardless of the lack of logic behind their calls.

I hope someone lets us know when Chicago is as rough as Afghanistan. Then we can start open carrying long guns.

Isn't that the standard now for justification? [Coffee]

Rucker61
07-07-2014, 19:08
This CNN report will really piss you off. The Chicago dickweed is crying for stricter gun laws but fully admits the problem is that criminals are being let out of jail too easy. A d that gun violations have no serious penalty in Chicago. Wrong type of gun laws you fucking idiot. Jumping on the bandwagon and has no clue what he's jabbering about.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/07/justice/chicago-shootings/index.html?c=homepage-t

CNN closed comments in a matter of minutes on this story.

sniper7
07-07-2014, 19:16
Ah, the beautiful Windy City. Too bad that fire went out....