View Full Version : Park County teen takes action against invading bear
BladesNBarrels
07-08-2014, 10:13
I was looking for an update on the weather last night as hail was pelting my house for the 10th time this
season.
This was one of the news items that Fox News, Channel 31, had on while I was waiting for more weather details.
I was surprised that the Denver Post did not cover this article of a "positive" firearms incident.
http://kdvr.com/2014/07/07/park-county-teen-takes-action-against-an-invading-bear/
[Coffee]
buffalobo
07-08-2014, 10:31
How can that be a positive firearm incident? Poor defenseless bear was executed by the evil gun owner. [emoji199][emoji33]
Sarcastically speaking anyway.
lobbed from my electronic ball and chain
The comments make my head explode...
Good for her. Hopefully they let her have the claws and make a necklace.
How can that be a positive firearm incident? Poor defenseless bear was executed by the evil gun owner.
You read the comments didn't you. They are quite predictable.
buffalobo
07-08-2014, 12:24
You read the comments didn't you. They are quite predictable.
Yes, because I only had few minutes to post and takes too much time to assemble a liberal mind set.
lobbed from my electronic ball and chain
HoneyBadger
07-08-2014, 12:49
The comments make my head explode...
I thought there were some very good replies in the comments... Maybe some of them are from you guys ;)
SCOTTSpoken like a true liberal. She should have mortally wounded the bear. Call DOW to use government resources to track down the bear and kill it. But I’m sure you’d be ok putting the bear on Obamacare and using several million dollars to fix the bears wounds.
Please leave the state, you’re wasting our air and ruining our state.
Mine was posted under Molon Labe...
ruthabagah
07-08-2014, 13:19
Might make a nice rug.
which may lead to this
http://youtu.be/3393O1uD_w8
hghclsswhitetrsh
07-08-2014, 13:45
Scott is me. [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]
hurley842002
07-08-2014, 13:47
Scott is me. [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]
Lol, I replied to your post.
HoneyBadger
07-08-2014, 14:58
Scott is me. [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]
Well done! You've been quoted! [Awesom]
Bailey Guns
07-08-2014, 17:37
Well, I'll say it. I'm skeptical the bear needed to be shot by this girl. Not that I think what she did was necessarily wrong, but it probably wasn't necessary. From her own account she basically ambushed the bear as it left the garage. I've seen lots of bears around here and the only thing they want to do when a person shows up is get away. My guess is the bear would've left quickly once it knew she was there and that's what it was trying to do. Unfortunately, bears aren't able to use doors to get in and out of confined spaces as easily as people are. They tend to panic when trapped inside and make a lot of noise and commotion while trying to figure out how to get out. It happens all the time and people confuse that with aggression.
I've had a sow and her two cubs in my 60'x60' dog run. This bear didn't want to hurt anyone even though my Terriers were chasing her/being chased by her, around the yard. All she wanted to do was get her cubs and get the hell out. I stood at the top of the deck and watched the entire show and never felt the need to get a gun and shoot the bear. Actually, it never crossed my mind. I called my dogs back into the house (probably would've just been easier to call the bear into the house), the bear sniffed around to make sure the coast was clear, rounded up her cubs and left.
And, if you're gonna live in bear territory, you need to make sure you know how to store food...of all types. Most bears die because PEOPLE are STUPID. People have the ability to reason and should take the very easy steps to keep bears away by not attracting them with improperly stored food. Bears don't have that reasoning ability. All they know is they smell food and they do what bears do to get to it. Black bears are generally extremely timid and will go to great lengths to avoid conflict with humans.
Black bears have killed less than 65 people since 1900. Your chances of being attacked by a black bear under any circumstance, much less being killed by a black bear, are statistically about as close to 0 as you can get.
So I'm not gonna jump on the "she's a hero" bandwagon. My opinion is these people need to learn how to live in bear territory.
I'm impressed by the hole it made in the garage. Is it unreasonable to store dog food in a garage like that?
Bailey Guns
07-08-2014, 19:11
It all depends on how it's stored. Open bags of food are basically an invitation to a bear, garage door or not. Bears break holes in garage doors all the time...pretty typical. Open the door and they'll leave.
Bailey Guns
07-08-2014, 21:01
Speaking of bears, there's one behind the barn right now. Video forthcoming.
kidicarus13
07-08-2014, 21:13
Speaking of bears, there's one behind the barn right now. Video forthcoming.
Aim, fire X6! Just kidding.
Bailey Guns
07-08-2014, 21:38
http://youtu.be/6CUYKCYCPUs
BladesNBarrels
07-09-2014, 09:13
I guess the legend has begun.
(To the tune of Davy Crockett)
Grizzly, Grizzly Rose, Queen of the Bailey Frontier
Shot her a b'ar when she was fif-teen
[Shotg]
Well, I'll say it. I'm skeptical the bear needed to be shot by this girl. Not that I think what she did was necessarily wrong, but it probably wasn't necessary. From her own account she basically ambushed the bear as it left the garage. I've seen lots of bears around here and the only thing they want to do when a person shows up is get away. My guess is the bear would've left quickly once it knew she was there and that's what it was trying to do. Unfortunately, bears aren't able to use doors to get in and out of confined spaces as easily as people are. They tend to panic when trapped inside and make a lot of noise and commotion while trying to figure out how to get out. It happens all the time and people confuse that with aggression.
I've had a sow and her two cubs in my 60'x60' dog run. This bear didn't want to hurt anyone even though my Terriers were chasing her/being chased by her, around the yard. All she wanted to do was get her cubs and get the hell out. I stood at the top of the deck and watched the entire show and never felt the need to get a gun and shoot the bear. Actually, it never crossed my mind. I called my dogs back into the house (probably would've just been easier to call the bear into the house), the bear sniffed around to make sure the coast was clear, rounded up her cubs and left.
And, if you're gonna live in bear territory, you need to make sure you know how to store food...of all types. Most bears die because PEOPLE are STUPID. People have the ability to reason and should take the very easy steps to keep bears away by not attracting them with improperly stored food. Bears don't have that reasoning ability. All they know is they smell food and they do what bears do to get to it. Black bears are generally extremely timid and will go to great lengths to avoid conflict with humans.
Black bears have killed less than 65 people since 1900. Your chances of being attacked by a black bear under any circumstance, much less being killed by a black bear, are statistically about as close to 0 as you can get.
So I'm not gonna jump on the "she's a hero" bandwagon. My opinion is these people need to learn how to live in bear territory.
I agree for the most part, but they are not always timid. My neighbor was charged by one, but her dogs came to her aid. We have one in our area who is a lot more aggressive. I've cleared deer carcasses that were bear kills and my neighbor had one of his Lamas taken down. They can be unpredictable in the spring when they are emerging. I find that people are a little too relaxed about it; they are still a predator and they can be dangerous. However, dogs pretty much solve bear problems; it sounds like the kid should have just let the dogs do their job.
Not going to armchair QB this. I wasn't there.
Glad the girl is safe and finished the job she started. No need for a wounded bear.
BG has some good points, as usual. Had a bear in my garage a few years ago. Grabbing the gun was not my first thought. Had a bear at the base of my back steps. Grabbing the gun was my first thought.
I'm surprised the bear went to the trouble. There are more than enough plants out there this year. You'd think a garage was secure enough.
The DOW put down a bear this week, just north of here. The bear was breaking into houses. One of my friends was broken into twice. Came through the windows.
Edit: As usual, the press did a crappy job of reporting.
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 12:06
Black bears are generally extremely timid and will go to great lengths to avoid conflict with humans.
I agree for the most part, but they are not always timid.
Of course not..they're wild animals. But even the lovable family dog can turn unexpectedly aggressive and harm someone.
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 12:12
I guess the legend has begun.
(To the tune of Davy Crockett)
Grizzly, Grizzly Rose, Queen of the Bailey Frontier
Shot her a b'ar when she was fif-teen
[Shotg]
For shooting a BLACK bear.... [facepalm][facepalm]
Any animal that looks at me as food, I will kill without hesitation.
Bear, mountain lion, pack of dogs, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc.
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 13:38
Then you don't know much about black bears.
Are they capable of killing humans? Of course. It happens. But black bears generally see humans as a threat...not food. If that was the case we either wouldn't have bears up here or we wouldn't have people.
It's ignorance like that that causes so many bears to die needlessly.
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 13:56
Any animal that threatens me, my family or livestock, I will kill without hesitation.
Bear, mountain lion, pack of dogs, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc.
FIFY, Bailey. Geez.
Just not willing to take that chance.
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/camping/Surviving-a-Black-Bear-Attack.html
http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/black-bear-and-cougar-attacks-in-colorado-1960-2011
https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/News/Bear/BearIncidents.aspx
I would have talked the bear out and reasoned with it.
I saw a bear get hit on SB I-25 just south of Northgate a few days ago. He sprinted from west to east. Traffic was light and everyone slowed and or maneuvered except the dumbass that hit it. Whatever they were doing in that car paying attention to the surroundings was not part of it.
Not judging whether it was the wrong or right thing to do. My questions are why grab two shotguns when you didn't have any idea what was out there. Competitive shotguns - what were they loaded with and what is the choke on them? If this was me, from now on I'd have the plug out plus a magazine extension loaded to "bear" for any protection issue that may arise. Five plus in one gun is better than reaching for a second gun. Then, when I go out competitive shooting, I have plenty of time to change out the shotgun to meet those requirements.
Anyway, glad she is safe.
kidicarus13
07-09-2014, 15:31
I would have talked the bear out and reasoned with it.
Ya ya, me too!
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 15:36
I would have talked the bear out and reasoned with it.
It worked out well for Timothy Treadwell after all.. /Sarcasm
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 15:42
FIFY, Bailey. Geez.
That doesn't fix the ignorance displayed in the original quote. And I'm not convinced, by the girl's own account, that the bear threatened her. It also doesn't change the fact that black bears almost always see humans as a threat rather than a meal.
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 15:43
It worked out well for Timothy Treadwell after all.. /Sarcasm
Treadwell was killed by grizzlies. Not a black bear. Big difference.
Yep.
I have alot of bears. even had them follow me around the yard.
DOW has no idea how to handle bears, make a loud noise they say, they will run away they say...
Bullshit BIGMOFO ran up a tree and stayed 16 hours
hollohas
07-09-2014, 18:39
I spent some time as an employee at Glacier National Park. Ran into a number of bear. Some with cubs. One bear I could have reached out and petted...we surprised each other. ALL were black bears and all made great effort to put distance between me and them. The one I surprised at arms length as I came around a corner on a hike took off like a bolt of lighting, uphill. Sucker was fast. First downed tree he found he took cover behind. I watched him peeking up over the log as I hiked away.
I'm not the least bit worried about black bears. I grew up in the mountains in CO and know many people who have had bears get in their house. Each and every one ran away when they heard people.
As for Grizzly. I hope I never run into one of those guys. Mean SOB's. Fortunately we don't have any grizzly here.
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 18:56
Treadwell was killed by grizzlies. Not a black bear. Big difference.
Bottom line is any bear is a wild animal, one that has the power to put a hurting on you in a hurry.
I'm always going to air on the side of caution personally, if I feel threatened I have no problem defending human life above any animal.
Just like if a deer/elk/what ever runs out in front of me at the last second ill mow it down every time vs, swerving and potentially rolling my truck.
But hey, that's just me.
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 19:25
[facepalm]
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 19:50
[facepalm]
We all ready know how you feel. LOL.
Aloha_Shooter
07-09-2014, 19:52
You may feel. Bailey thinks.
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 19:54
You may feel. Bailey thinks.
LOL. Your witty.
I value human life over an animals. Period.
If you dont agree thats fine, but I'm a fan of using my brain instead of ASSuming its going to run the other way. Hence my comment on airing on the the side of caution.
buffalobo
07-09-2014, 20:09
I'm telling ya, evil gun owner didn't have to execute the bear. She could have called Chuck Norris to kick his ass. [Kick3]
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 20:29
Outback... I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you. But come on...I've already acknowledged that black bears (and other animals) can be dangerous and kill, for crying out loud. I, too, would kill a bear to defend myself or a loved one (or pretty much any other person). I even acknowledged that the girl probably didn't do anything wrong, but said I thought her actions were unnecessary. I'm pretty convinced the family's ignorance in how to live in bear country also contributed to the shooting of the bear. It's pretty common up here.
As far as I can tell there were 21 fatal black bear attacks from 2000 to the present in North America (11 in Canada). That's 13.5 years. There have been at least 15 fatal dog attacks in the US alone just this year. Just over 6 months. That really doesn't prove anything other than there are animals we normally associate with, let our kids play with, and so forth that pose a far greater risk than black bears. A little common sense goes a long way in ensuring your safety in black bear country.
And your comment about mowing down a deer rather than maneuvering around it made me chuckle. Maybe you should consider a good driving course. I've been to several emergency vehicle operator courses as a cop and in the military and I've ALWAYS been taught to maneuver (or brake and maneuver) around an object rather than strike it. There's lots of reasons why that's a better and safer option.
ETA a Disclaimer: OK...I should've said "there's lots of reasons why that's usually a better and safer option." Because I know someone's gonna chime in with an anecdotal story to prove me wrong. We all know there's someone who lived next door to a guy that worked with a girl who was the sister of their high school buddy that dated a guy that worked with her at WalMart and overheard a customer talking to their friend that hit the deer rather than maneuver around it because it would've caused the demise of the entire planet.
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 21:14
And your comment about mowing down a deer rather than maneuvering around it made me chuckle. Maybe you should consider a good driving course. I've been to several emergency vehicle operator courses as a cop and in the military and I've ALWAYS been taught to maneuver (or brake and maneuver) around an object rather than strike it. There's lots of reasons why that's a better and safer option.
I drive a lifted Cherokee, with out sway bars. I'm fully aware of its maneuvering capability's. The odds of me being fatally injured hitting an animal square vs swerving are a lot lower, since if I grab too much wheel it will roll. But than again the odds of me hitting a deer during my daily commute across springs are low.
Ill take my chances.
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 21:16
OK...fair enough.
Colorado_Outback
07-09-2014, 21:24
Your correct though, given your cars capibilitys maniouvering around an object in your path is almost always a better option than striking it.
You should also always travel with your doors locked, as they are less likely to come open in a crash.
I went to Masterdrive back in the day :D
Bailey Guns
07-09-2014, 21:36
You should also always travel with your doors locked, as they are less likely to come open in a crash.
Which is very important because an open door might allow a bear to enter your car and eat you. [Coffee]
(An effort to get the thread back on topic).
Gotta watch those bears. They are crafty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPZNjtODzFI
Notice it's not a black bear.
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