Obama just announced sanctions against Kalishnikov (and other Russian entities)

[Cujo0920]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-16/if-you-own-kalashnikov-rifle-obama-just-sanctioned-you

Have no idea how these sanctions will be implemented or how they will affect the import, sale, or possession of Russian-made AK variants and parts here in the US.

[BPTactical]

Get your Saiga while you can.

Sanctimonious prick.

[Great-Kazoo]

3 months earlier.
http://www.guns.com/2014/04/05/rep-calls-president-ban-assault-weapon-imports-due-yee-case/

“This case should be a warning to us all that even the most trusted appearing among us are ready to do real harm,” she said.

This tidbit from the same side of the aisle who says Obama will never ban guns



Just means you have to bend one more receiver. Chinese and russian assets / firearm import bans have been in effect since Bush 1. They stopped russkie ammo, it went from $85 per K to $400+. Those were good times.
Most AK's are US assembled here from import parts, just one more work around to deal with.

It's the Sanctions this administration will sign on a friday, that will screw everyone.

[roberth]

Obama is so effing stupid, just like the idiots who voted for him.

Putin has a deal with China.
Putin has a deal with Iran.
Putin has a deal with BRICS.

Putin does not need the United States.

Maybe the demise of the dollar as reserve currency will happen faster than anticipated.

[Cujo0920]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how these new sanctions are going to affect 99.9% of existing U.S. AK owners or the retail supply of new AKs. How many gun buys or retailers have direct dealings with Kalashnikov? Not to mention there are plenty of good alternatives like Arsenal to choose from. Although I do expect AK retailers to whip up hysteria to move more stock at a higher price point.

[Cujo0920]

Here's the list of the sanctioned entities.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140716.aspx

KALASHNIKOV CONCERN (a.k.a. CONCERN KALASHNIKOV; a.k.a. IZHEVSKIY MASHINOSTROITEL'NYI ZAVOD OAO; f.k.a. IZHMASH R&D CENTER; f.k.a. JSC NPO IZHMASH; f.k.a. NPO IZHMASH OAO; a.k.a. OJSC CONCERN KALASHNIKOV; f.k.a. OJSC IZHMASH; f.k.a. SCIENTIFIC PRODUCTION ASSOCIATION IZHMASH JOINT STOCK COMPANY), 3, Derjabin Pr., Izhevsk, Udmurt Republic 426006, Russia; Registration ID 1111832003018 [UKRAINE2].

[Great-Kazoo]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how these new sanctions are going to affect 99.9% of existing U.S. AK owners or the retail supply of new AKs. How many gun buys or retailers have direct dealings with Kalashnikov? Not to mention there are plenty of good alternatives like Arsenal to choose from. Although I do expect AK retailers to whip up hysteria to move more stock at a higher price point.

It has nothing to do with AK's (specifically) more so than it has to do with guns in general. Read the link i posted. April the left wants certain guns barred from import because NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED, NO ONE.
Next step is back door cosmetic specific restrictions. Then ammo, dominoes falling slowly, but surely. They cannot do it with votes in congress, do it like the shithead progressive leech he is. Chicago Style

[Cujo0920]

OK, so the left is diabolical and Machiavellian and all that, no argument here, but back to the issue at hand - the newly announced sanctions and how they will affect the import and availability of AK-pattern rifles (or optics) with Russian components. I would expect Russian ammo imports to be next on the chopping block. The Ukraine situation seems to be getting worse, so more sanctions seem likely.

[Great-Kazoo]

OK, so the left is diabolical and Machiavellian and all that, no argument here, but back to the issue at hand - the newly announced sanctions and how they will affect the import and availability of AK-pattern rifles (or optics) with Russian components. I would expect Russian ammo imports to be next on the chopping block. The Ukraine situation seems to be getting worse, so more sanctions seem likely.

Not much for some time. The .gov browses through a pick list of opposing team companies. They select ones that the .gov hopes would feel the pinch hard enough , to have putin do what the line in the Sand mouth piece wants. Having one of the companies be associated with firearm imports to the US, that's topping on the cake.

Realistically, stressing out at this point in time about guns and ammo availability is a lost cause. One should have been stacking high and deep, once one was legally able to buy said items.


ONE MORE ITEM.
Thanks for starting a topic / discussion that is devoid of buzz words and C&P articles.

[Cujo0920]

More on the sanctions, along with the now-standard Obama proclamation that "Our patience is running out."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSKBN0FL2AL20140717


(Reuters) - President Barack Obama imposed the biggest package of U.S. economic sanctions yet on Russia on Wednesday, hitting Russia's largest oil producer Rosneft and other energy, financial and defense firms, with what he called significant but targeted penalties.

Obama's latest round of sanctions came after close consultations with European leaders, who announced a less-ambitious package. The ultimate impact of the U.S. sanctions likely depends on whether the European Union follows suit.

The extent of the sanctions against key parts of the Russian energy and financial industry, including Gazprombank, was intended to serve notice to Moscow that its refusal to curb violence in eastern Ukraine has consequences.

The targeted companies also include Russia's second-largest gas producer, Novatek, Vnesheconombank, or VEB, a state-owned bank that acts as payment agent for the Russian government, and eight arms firms.

The U.S. Treasury Department said the measures effectively closed medium- and long-term dollar funding to the two banks and energy companies. But the sanctions did not freeze those four companies' assets, or otherwise prohibit U.S. firms or companies from doing business with them.

[davsel]

Putin responds:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-16/putin-responds-us-sanctions-will-boomerang-and-cause-very-serious-damage

"Sanctions have a boomerang effect and without any doubt they will push U.S.-Russian relations into a dead end, and cause very serious damage, and it undermines the long term security interests of the US State and its people." he said to reporters while elaborating that said he needed to see the details of the sanctions to understand their full scope Reuters added.

And as was largely expected, Putin's next jab was right where it hurt: energy.

"This means that U.S. companies willing to work in Russia will lose their competitiveness next to other global energy companies."

Putin said the sanctions will hurt Exxon Mobil Corp which has been given the opportunity to operate in Russia. "So, do they not want it to work there? They are causing damage to their major energy companies," he said.

While we don't know for sure, we are confident that following the press conference Putin sat down with the rest of the BRICS, which command a population of just over 3 billion not to mention the world's fastest growing economies, and realized that for all the posturing, it is really a game of reserve fiat vs energy, with the US controlling the former, while the BRICS, and especially Russia, dominating the latter. And as long as the BRICS don't have their own monetary system, they will be reliant on the every swift (pun intended) whim of Janet "price-to-equity ratio" Yellen and her central planning kind.

We are just as confident that he and his peers are currently contemplating how to no longer be bound by the former ever again.

[Great-Kazoo]

Right here is the kicker. The talk of dropping the dollar as the standard has been kicking around a few years. Why not laugh in the administrations face AND drop the USD.
China while hesitant and providing an accord could be reached. Would be happy to walk away from USD trading / valuation.

it is really a game of reserve fiat vs energy, with the US controlling the former, while the BRICS, and especially Russia, dominating the latter. And as long as the BRICS don't have their own monetary system, they will be reliant on the every swift (pun intended) whim of Janet "price-to-equity ratio" Yellen and her central planning kind.

We are just as confident that he and his peers are currently contemplating how to no longer be bound by the former ever again.

[davsel]

Precisely.
Dropping the dollar would cause the collapse.
US cannot afford to let this happen.
I believe we are on the verge of WWIII.
The US government can then place the blame on someone else for the inevitable collapse.

These are truly exciting times to be alive.

[Great-Kazoo]

Precisely.
Dropping the dollar would cause the collapse.
US cannot afford to let this happen.
I believe we are on the verge of WWIII.
The US government can then place the blame on someone else for the inevitable collapse.

These are truly exciting times to be alive.

These times have nothin on late 60's early 70's

ATTICA, ATTICA.

[davsel]

More on the collapse:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-16/when-you-see-happen-you-know-its-game-over-dollar

[Cujo0920]

Obama's latest Russian sanctions send global markets reeling. Our European allies won't be amused, considering their markets are already on the brink of a 2008-style meltdown.

http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/world-indexes/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/obamas-latest-russian-sanctions-send-global-stocks-reeling

[KS63]

Just heard of this;

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/breaking-obama-bans-import-of-saiga-firearms-with-executive-order/

[HBARleatherneck]

it is in the LEGISLATION section
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/135299-Obama-just-announced-sanctions-against-Kalishnikov-%28and-other-Russian-entities%29

[Great-Kazoo]

GTFO a DUPE, No Way

[mtnrider]

And the panic pricing on Saiga's begins in 3.... 2..... 1.....

[Dave_L]

You mean like this? http://www.armslist.com/posts/3249157/colorado-springs-colorado-shotguns-for-sale-trade-----just-banned-07-14----izhmash-saiga-12-elite-by-fime-group-las-vegas--nv--super-rare-

[Great-Kazoo]

You mean like this? http://www.armslist.com/posts/3249157/colorado-springs-colorado-shotguns-for-sale-trade-----just-banned-07-14----izhmash-saiga-12-elite-by-fime-group-las-vegas--nv--super-rare-

QUALITY Conversion ? [ROFL3] Figure they would have taken th etime to relocate the p/grip, not leaving that gap between the trigger guard an dit.

$5 says this is one of the $60 bulk pack gun show vendors. Magazine Mike or some other hobo,

[TEAMRICO]

I was gonna ask $3000 for mine but I see that Ima weeee bit overpriced.
$2475 and I will throw in a box, well a half box of spent shells.

Im not going into panic mode but I would like to see the prices at this weekends Tanner.

[roberth]

I'll be at Tanner on Sunday for a little while, I'll report what I see.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'll be at Tanner on Sunday for a little while, I'll report what I see.

The 22 bulk pack guys will have a few UNFIRED units for sale. The web has started an unfounded panic, before the ink was dry. I'll wait till the $1500 WASR's are sold, before i crack off with the Milled Yugo's and Arsenals.

[thvigil11]

Armslist is already going full retard on this. Just one of the winners below.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/3287363/detroit-michigan-rifles-for-sale--banned-saiga-sk

[roberth]

The 22 bulk pack guys will have a few UNFIRED units for sale. The web has started an unfounded panic, before the ink was dry. I'll wait till the $1500 WASR's are sold, before i crack off with the Milled Yugo's and Arsenals.

Unfired...winky winky. Unfired by the buyer is what they mean.

[sellersm]

USD is done by end of 2015, Amerika done by end of 2017. Putin and obummer are just reading their scripts...

https://soundcloud.com/v-guerrilla/guerrillareport-071614

[Great-Kazoo]

Armslist is already going full retard on this. Just one of the winners below.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/3287363/detroit-michigan-rifles-for-sale--banned-saiga-sk

That one is probably a city council members rifle.

[Kraven251]

good job POTUS, you just created a black market and made them more valuable ...whee.

[BPTactical]

good job POTUS, you just created a black market and made them more valuable ...whee.

That's racist

[Zundfolge]

And thus it begins
http://www.armslist.com/posts/3288358/denver-colorado-shotguns-for-sale-trade--banned-saiga-semi-auto-shotgun-

[Squeeze]

Yeah, wasn't like they were already WAY overpriced to begin with. And I'm not surprised about the hype already. Figure it won't be long and you'll see some over-accessorized Saiga up on Armslist for $5K or higher.

Time to sit back & watch it go full-retard.

[Zundfolge]

Yeah, wasn't like they were already WAY overpriced to begin with. And I'm not surprised about the hype already. Figure it won't be long and you'll see some over-accessorized Saiga up on Armslist for $5K or higher.

Time to sit back & watch it go full-retard.

Several years ago I paid $750 for a Tromix converted Saiga 12 ... should NEVER have sold the damn thing.

[Great-Kazoo]

Several years ago I paid $750 for a Tromix converted Saiga 12 ... should NEVER have sold the damn thing.

And i should have held on to the FNC and bushmaster (Gwinn firearms) ARM pistol. Not to mention my 49 ford, 53 mopar, 61 - 63 & 63 chevy SS'. 66 Fury , 64 nova, blah blah.

[wctriumph]

The gov can't stop the drugs and people from getting in the USA, how will they stop millions of full auto AK's from getting in? I can see the gang bangers going and buying them up cheap by the container load. Nothing to stop them from coming in at any port. With ammo included in the deal.

[Squeeze]

Several years ago I paid $750 for a Tromix converted Saiga 12 ... should NEVER have sold the damn thing.

Yep. I should've bought one years ago at the $500 price, but none of us had a crystal ball to foresee the nonsense coming. If that were the case, we all would've opened a gun store when BO first got elected. We would've stockpiled black rifles until they were pouring out of our tails. Then when all the hype hit, sold them for a truck load of $$$ and retired.

[Great-Kazoo]

Hell, i'd dump the AK's i have for under $1K (each) they're collecting dust, taking up space.

[68Charger]

I'm sure there will be PM's coming your way, Jim... [Beer]

Anyone know how copyright/patent law works from a Russian design?

The way the're going to be priced, an all US version should be forthcoming... I see being able to pay for a low-end CNC operation with the first 25 sales...
(it's not like any AK is complicated)

[def90]

I'm sure there will be PM's coming your way, Jim... [Beer]

Anyone know how copyright/patent law works from a Russian design?

The way the're going to be priced, an all US version should be forthcoming... I see being able to pay for a low-end CNC operation with the first 25 sales...
(it's not like any AK is complicated)

Except that you can buy any other ak from x number of countries.. Gunplumber from falfiles and akfiles is right.. Ak enthusiasts are cheap asses and as long as someone is selling questionable parts for $20 they will skip over solid parts from reputable dealers for $21..

You still can't come near building a full US made ak for anywhere near the price of a yugo kit on a nodak receiver... There will still not be a market for a US made AK.

sent from a soup can and some string..

[Great-Kazoo]

Except that you can buy any other ak from x number of countries.. Gunplumber from falfiles and akfiles is right.. Ak enthusiasts are cheap asses and as long as someone is selling questionable parts for $20 they will skip over solid parts from reputable dealers for $21..

You still can't come near building a full US made ak for anywhere near the price of a yugo kit on a nodak receiver... There will still not be a market for a US made AK.

sent from a soup can and some string..

Which is why i mentioned on the thread and other web sites, who cares. OH NO i can't buy a saiga. To Bad, So Sad

[jerrymrc]

Except that you can buy any other ak from x number of countries.. Gunplumber from falfiles and akfiles is right.. Ak enthusiasts are cheap asses and as long as someone is selling questionable parts for $20 they will skip over solid parts from reputable dealers for $21..

You still can't come near building a full US made ak for anywhere near the price of a yugo kit on a nodak receiver... There will still not be a market for a US made AK.

sent from a soup can and some string..

But then you are talking about Mark. [LOL]

[BPTactical]

But then you are talking about Mark. [LOL]

Thanks Jerry.



Pepsi out the nose stings....

[Cujo0920]

With today's events in Ukraine it doesn't take a penetrating analysis to see that sanctions will be expanded. As Rahm Emanuel famously said, never let a crisis go to waste.

[Great-Kazoo]

With today's events in Ukraine it doesn't take a penetrating analysis to see that sanctions will be expanded. As Rahm Emanuel famously said, never let a crisis go to waste.

If not internationally, lets do it locally.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1357391/gun-control-dem-bill-would-outlaw-firearm-brands-on-kids-clothing-and-colorful-guns/

Freshman Democrat Robin Kelly, of Illinois, argues in the Children’s Firearm Marketing Safety Act that marketing guns to children is “contributing to the shooting deaths of children across the country.

[Cujo0920]

More on the sanctions against Kalashnikov & subsidiaries.

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/?p=66203/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=ddolbee&utm_campaign=20140719-chronicle0719-obamasignsexectutiveorderbanningak47s

[Great-Kazoo]

More on the sanctions against Kalashnikov & subsidiaries.

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/?p=66203/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=ddolbee&utm_campaign=20140719-chronicle0719-obamasignsexectutiveorderbanningak47s

CTD is the rahm emanual of firearms There's a potential lead shortage, RAISE PRICES!

[hurley842002]

CTD is the rahm emanual of firearms There's a potential lead shortage, RAISE PRICES!

My thoughts exactly...

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't really have a problem with sanctions if they are targeted to be effective. I'm not sure these are; it seems to me undercutting the Russian energy industry would be far more effective at cutting off the funds Putin uses for his adventurism and in making the Russian elite hurt economically. Somehow the effete elitists in American politics never seem to want to place sanctions on Stolichnaya or Russian caviar or the other things they value or enjoy.

[roberth]

I don't really have a problem with sanctions if they are targeted to be effective. I'm not sure these are; it seems to me undercutting the Russian energy industry would be far more effective at cutting off the funds Putin uses for his adventurism and in making the Russian elite hurt economically. Somehow the effete elitists in American politics never seem to want to place sanctions on Stolichnaya or Russian caviar or the other things they value or enjoy.

Sanctions will not be applied to energy because most of Europe is dependent upon Russian oil and gas. :)

[Cujo0920]

Meanwhile, the panic buying continues unabated. CNN, naturally, considers this to be "surprising."

http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/18/news/companies/ak-47-kalashnikov/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Here's a surprising effect of the latest U.S. sanctions against Russia: a run on AK-47s.

Among the companies sanctioned this week was Kalashnikov Concern, the maker of the automatic weapon.

"We sell some of the Kalashnikov Concern stuff and that has been selling fast," said Robert Keller, manager of K-Var Corp., a Las Vegas-based online gun distributor.

Keller said his company has been sold out of the guns since the sanctions went into effect. On K-Var's web site, AK-47s are listed as "out of stock."

[SouthPaw]

From the CNN article.


According to the Treasury Department, Kalashnikov Concern is banned from importing its guns -- including the AK-47 and more advanced AK-74

I really enjoy waking up daily to find out what I can and cannot buy.

[68Charger]

From the CNN article.



I really enjoy waking up daily to find out what I can and cannot buy.

Yeah, I wanted to have a .308 Vepr in my collection, but that probably won't happen now. But at least I won't[panic] about it.

[Great-Kazoo]

From the CNN article.



I really enjoy waking up daily to find out what I can and cannot buy.

;)

[mutt]

O-Blow-Me has to be the greatest gun salesman of all time. His actions are causing Americans to arm up in droves. Nice to know my Russian toys are now "rare". Hopefully my kids will enjoy the financial benefits many decades from now.

[sniper7]

Wow, so my converted Saiga is worth probably $120k.

[Dave]

In 3 months I'll post my Sar-1's for $9k each on armslist.....

[Cujo0920]

If you like your AK you can keep your AK (odd, I remember hearing something similar about health insurance plans).

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capitolreport/2014/07/21/if-you-like-your-ak-47-you-can-keep-your-ak-47/

[Cujo0920]

I really enjoy waking up daily to find out what I can and cannot buy.

It's for the children.

[Great-Kazoo]

From the CNN article.



I really enjoy waking up daily to find out what I can and cannot buy.


You're shopping in the wrong part of town.